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Cyril
07-26-2009, 12:57 PM
^^^ You realize of course that you just opened the door for people to comment on what your avatar, or lack thereof, says about you. D'oh! :O

Lack of avatar = unwillingness to share one's alter ego with others.

Let us get back to the topic now. The topic is "Project: Dream Girls".

gameover
07-26-2009, 01:37 PM
It is rather strange I must say because he has an avatar of a stripper! Avatars are usually there to depict your alter ego in the form an artsy drawing or a poster of a celebrity. For example, if were a gun fighter, I would have Clint Eastwood's poster in my avatar. Since he has a stripper as his avatar, it is quite natural for people to think that he is a she (stripper).

Anyhow that was a terrible mix up. My suggestion for him would be to change his avatar.

Dream Girls is strictly for female strippers.

Clearly I have completely misunderstood the proper avatar selection rules. I shall submit a list of interests to you at once, and enlist your help in selecting an appropriate alternative. Ah, if only I were a gunfighter, that Clint Eastwood avatar would be so impressive.

:bullwhip:

verfolgung
07-26-2009, 01:54 PM
It is rather strange I must say because he has an avatar of a stripper! Avatars are usually there to depict your alter ego in the form an artsy drawing or a poster of a celebrity. For example, if were a gun fighter, I would have Clint Eastwood's poster in my avatar. Since he has a stripper as his avatar, it is quite natural for people to think that he is a she (stripper).

Anyhow that was a terrible mix up. My suggestion for him would be to change his avatar.

Dream Girls is strictly for female strippers.

Well if this were a celebrity model site, it would be normal for males to have avatars of ladies they admire. On sites for sports fans, it's normal to find males using avatars of cheerleaders or other female images (ie: gf's in jersey's). Since this is a dancer site, there are plenty of males (ie: Big Marv, etc.) who use the objects of their affections as avatars. Perhaps not in this case, but someone could have used an image of his ATF or dancer SO. Gameover has been a member since 2006; has he gotten other complaints?

Cyril
07-26-2009, 02:43 PM
Clearly I have completely misunderstood the proper avatar selection rules. I shall submit a list of interests to you at once, and enlist your help in selecting an appropriate alternative. Ah, if only I were a gunfighter, that Clint Eastwood avatar would be so impressive.

:bullwhip:

I would be delighted to lend a helping hand. I seriously thought you were a female stripper because of that avatar of yours. If you think that avatar suits you then keep it or else go for something which will partly reflect who you are. That is just my suggestion.

Cyril
07-26-2009, 02:43 PM
Well if this were a celebrity model site, it would be normal for males to have avatars of ladies they admire. On sites for sports fans, it's normal to find males using avatars of cheerleaders or other female images (ie: gf's in jersey's). Since this is a dancer site, there are plenty of males (ie: Big Marv, etc.) who use the objects of their affections as avatars. Perhaps not in this case, but someone could have used an image of his ATF or dancer SO. Gameover has been a member since 2006; has he gotten other complaints?

Who is complaining?

(Please go easy with the hyperbole.)

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 02:45 PM
Dream Girls has done a background check on Earl and has found him to be a PL in good standing.
Thank you; that thing you asked me about has been taken care of. Your offer was not refused.

Cyril
07-26-2009, 02:47 PM
Thank you; that thing you asked me about has been taken care of. Your offer was not refused.

lol :) lol

Bob_Loblaw
07-26-2009, 02:58 PM
Anyhow that was a terrible mix up. My suggestion for him would be to change his avatar.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/gameover.jpgProblem solved. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/sherlock.gif

OK, back to Dream Girls talk...

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 03:06 PM
Well if this were a celebrity model site, it would be normal for males to have avatars of ladies they admire. On sites for sports fans, it's normal to find males using avatars of cheerleaders
I have noticed this as well and it does cause confusion. An avatar should be a visual clue to recognize the poster. I also find it distracting when posters change their avatar.

Bob_Loblaw
07-26-2009, 03:11 PM
I have hard time believing that any PL would actually like a dancer with that much tattoo on her body.
I guess guys like me don't exist. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_ninja_hide.gif

WiseGuy_TX
07-26-2009, 03:14 PM
...i am just a cat in a hat pretending to be human. Here is an old wedding pic. My ex sure was an eye-candy trophy wife but what a bitch!
http://i27.tinypic.com/1z4bfns.jpg

Bob_Loblaw
07-26-2009, 03:16 PM
...i am just a cat in a hat pretending to be human.
Me too! Well, minus the hat anyway.

gameover
07-26-2009, 03:31 PM
I would be delighted to lend a helping hand. I seriously thought you were a female stripper because of that avatar of yours. If you think that avatar suits you then keep it or else go for something which will partly reflect who you are. That is just my suggestion.

Sheesh. Sarcasm is lost on the internet.

from now on, I'm using the new

<sarcasm></sarcasm>

tags, to avoid any confusion. :D

Cyril
07-26-2009, 05:00 PM
Sheesh. Sarcasm is lost on the internet.

from now on, I'm using the new

<sarcasm></sarcasm>

tags, to avoid any confusion. :D

I strongly believe avatar is too important a conversation to bring sarcasm in.

yoda57us
07-26-2009, 05:09 PM
^^^ Alas, you guys are correct. It may be futile to attempt to interject a level of reality to this excercise.

Honestly Verf, I stopped taking this thread seriously as soon as I read this quote on the very first post...

In order to keep the discussion focused, we are going to make one vital assumption:
PLs are angels and they can do no harm.

I've never really gone in for the "what happens inside a strip club is just a fantasy" school of thought. But in this case it's the truth...

gameover
07-26-2009, 05:18 PM
I strongly believe avatar is too important a conversation to bring sarcasm in.

Ok, now you're messing with me. THAT was sarcasm, right :)

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 05:21 PM
Ok, now you're messing with me. THAT was sarcasm, right :)
With Cyril I don't think we will ever know.

Cyril
07-26-2009, 05:24 PM
Ok, now you're messing with me. THAT was sarcasm, right :)

Now that I know that you are a guy, I lost all interest in answering your post.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-26-2009, 05:28 PM
Now that I know that you are a guy, I lost all interest in answering your post.
Cyril I hope you didn't do things while you were answering HIS posts looking at HIS avatar. Now go wash that man out or your hair and off your hand. :O

Cyril
07-26-2009, 05:31 PM
Cyril I hope you didn't do things while you were answering HIS posts looking at HIS avatar. Now go wash that man out or your hair and off your hand. :O

I cannot tell you how disappointed I feel. Well, I am glad I am not too fond of slapping the salami or else it would have been a ..........

mediocrity
07-26-2009, 05:54 PM
This all reads like a bad adult version of playing house.

Cyril
07-26-2009, 05:56 PM
This all reads like a bad adult version of playing house.

What is playing a house? /:O

gameover
07-26-2009, 05:58 PM
This all reads like a bad adult version of playing house.

best one line thread summary, ever :)

mediocrity
07-26-2009, 06:03 PM
What is playing a house? /:O

You can't be serious. No one is that dense. For real.

Cyril
07-26-2009, 06:05 PM
You can't be serious. No one is that dense. For real.

I do not see what that question had to do with the density of anything.

Let us get back to the topic.

charlie61
07-26-2009, 06:10 PM
Cyril, would you like me to close this thread, or do you feel that helpful comments will continue to be posted?

xdamage
07-26-2009, 06:11 PM
best one line thread summary, ever :)

yep, well put

Cyril
07-26-2009, 06:13 PM
Charlie,

The club has not started yet. We still need to see what will be the operational challenges once the club goes live.

However, if you feel like closing it then I will not hold any grudges.

Thanks!

Cyril
07-26-2009, 06:14 PM
yep, well put

Please let us keep it on the topic.

I am planning on the start date.

mediocrity
07-26-2009, 06:21 PM
^^ I'd like to see AlmostJaded's questions answered.

Such as, but not limited to:

- How did you acquire the money? Private investors? If so, how many and what is the percentage of return you have to give back to them. Is it personal wealth? How much of the profit do you personally keep and how long will it take to turn one?

- How was like building acquired? Was it built, bought or leased? How many square feet?

- What part of town? What are the liquor license laws and zoning laws?

- Explain revenue sharing concept further.

- What sort of advertising are you doing? Do you have a street team to constantly promote you? Radio, tv, billboards....? Drink specials or lunch specials to entice people?

- Have you had your health inspection for your kitchen? Where did you get your chefs?

- Actually, in general, how did you advertise your job openings, including for dancers?

- How long was your construction period?

- You mentioned dancer training. What is your training method?

..I could go on and on but that's all I feel like typing for now.

Almost Jaded
07-26-2009, 09:59 PM
I am a true PL; I was cursing with my main squeeze in my American Muscle. A ricer with his lights on came up behind me on the Interstate; I dropped it into third and his two head lights became one in my rear-view mirror. I pulled into the middle lane as the squalling subsided from the passenger seat.

Then I get questions about my driving habits. I explain a ricer is insulting Henry Ford and the American way. I can see him hanging back in the left lane knowing he is not done. He starts to close fast and I grab a handful of 5th and slap it into 3ed; well I attempted to place it into 3ed. I couldn’t find it; ricer with an over sized wing goes by as my passenger smirks.

You weren’t on Interstate 280 in Orange NJ yesterday by any chance were you?

Why were you cursing your Main Squeeze and how does she (oops - was it a he?) "squall"? I'm not familiar with "squalling". Who was asking these questions about your driving habits? What do you mean "a handful of 5th"? Or is that meant to indicate gender regarding the above assumption? What is 3ed? You refer to it twice. If you couldn't find it, either you have no business driving a stick or your man friend is seriously lacking something...

In the future, please make your attempts to ridicule me at least somewhat intelligible, m'kay?

:rolleyes:


A brief list of services and amenities provided by Dream Girls:

- Four well supplied bars serving a range of alcoholic beverages

- Six dancing stages with state of the art lighting system where nude dance performances will take place

- DJ booth is located on higher level so that he can see all the stages

- The club has a state of the art audio system and DJ has been instructed to play a wide variety of music except rap music. Strippers can request their favorite music and DJ must accommodate those requests unless the request is for a rap music

- Beautiful waitresses dressed in evening gowns will be serving drinks to the gentlemen

- There is a restaurant built inside the club, which will serve a variety of food including Asian, Mediterranean, Indian and American food

- The club has been designed with lounging in mind. All the couches are comfortable and designed for long term sitting

- There are VIP rooms that are very cozy. PLs can buy block of time that they can spend in the VIP rooms with one or multiple strippers

- Entire floor is covered with exotic carpet imported from Persia

- The color theme of the club is red. Carpet is red, curtains are red, etc

- The atmosphere at Dream Girls gives an impression of elegance and class

- Dream Girls does not provide lap dances however, PLs can request air dances in the lounge or VIP rooms

- Dream Girls provides westernized Geisha Girl (no sex) service. This service is available in the VIP rooms only and is a Dream Girls’ signature service as no other club offers this service

- PLs can buy block of time that they can spend with their favorite stripper(s) either on the limousine or on the helicoper. They can be transported to a nearby resort also owned and operated by Dream Girls (feel free to ask if you have any questions regarding this resort)

- High quality calendar size nude photographs of participating strippers are on sale

- Dream Girls has an outer patio designed to serve as cigar lounge. Dream Girls has a great collection of cigars from all over the world however, Dream Girls does not carry Cuban cigars

- Dream Girls has fully functional helipad, a fleet of two helicopters and support staff to transport important PLs in a discreet manner

- Dream Girls has limousine port designed for discreet entry. Also Dream Girls maintains a sizable fleet of limousine and support staff

- Dream Girls has an outstanding five star hotel located adjacent to the club building

Cyril - now that we have established that you have somewhere near $100 million into this club between opening costs and initial operating expenses, I'm really curious how you intend to recoup that in a city like Portland. You've gone past ridiculous and passed well into just plain lame.

shameless
07-27-2009, 04:58 AM
Also, Dream Girls is considering to drop the Tattoo clause altogether from the “Qualifications” matrix.

I think you should, Kat Von D is very 'de jour'.

I, (it's me in my avatar) have big tattoos on my back (eagle wings on upper, a horse on my lower), and I bank by standing out, I've lost track of the number of customers that have dropped serious ($500 plus) cash on me in one go in the last few months alone, just because I have these tattoos.

Also, may I ask if you plan to have cameras in the dancing lounges/VIP?! Is that a custom in the States? Every decent club in the UK has these whereas here in Australia there's some obscure privacy law I think in place that prohibits CCTV in strip clubs.

xdamage
07-27-2009, 10:25 AM
It's how I feel about politicians who promise the world but once they finally are in office can't deliver without falling back on the "now I just need gobs of money" solution. It's so easy to dream big now and worry about the financing part later. Not sure why but humans apparently just forget and tend to repeat this same foolishness over and over. I've seen business men do it often and I've decided it really is just a basic mental blind spot that some people have. There is no point in trying to explain it because it's like trying to explain the difference between the color blue and red to a blind person. They just can't seem to understand why you are being a downer about the whole thing, asking for details, a financial plan that makes sense, when they are still high on the emotional part and want to continue with the cheering part of the process.

verfolgung
07-27-2009, 10:39 AM
^^^ I'm still at a loss in understanding how a helipad is going to solve the industy's problems.

Almost Jaded
07-27-2009, 12:25 PM
It allows for rapid escapes in the event of a Vice bust.

Earl_the_Pearl
07-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Why were you cursing your Main Squeeze and how does she (oops - was it a he?) "squall"?

...m'kay? I found my glasses and corrected the gross errors. :-[ As for the gender of my passenger does that make a difference in this age of enlightenment? I say no.

M'kay.
http://i.pbase.com/u18/roywong11/upload/12980059.vsirU.gifhttp://dailydish.typepad.com/the_daily_dish/images/garrison_south_park_1.jpg



It allows for rapid escapes in the event of a Vice bust.
The helicopter would have to be kept running with a pilot at all times; preferably two feet above the ground like in Vietnam.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Entertainment/Images/Vietnam-War-helicopter.jpg

Cyril
07-27-2009, 05:55 PM
I think you should, Kat Von D is very 'de jour'.

I, (it's me in my avatar) have big tattoos on my back (eagle wings on upper, a horse on my lower), and I bank by standing out, I've lost track of the number of customers that have dropped serious ($500 plus) cash on me in one go in the last few months alone, just because I have these tattoos.

Also, may I ask if you plan to have cameras in the dancing lounges/VIP?! Is that a custom in the States? Every decent club in the UK has these whereas here in Australia there's some obscure privacy law I think in place that prohibits CCTV in strip clubs.

All right, Dream Girls will have no tattoo related restrictions what so ever.

Cyril
07-27-2009, 06:04 PM
To: All the future Independent Contractors of Dream Girls
From: The Management of Dream Girls

Subject: Standby

Management would like to apologize for the delay in opening Dream Girls. We are still in the process of finalizing operational details. We understand that your time is valuable as such management has approved a stipend of $2,500.00/Week for all our independent contractors. We appreciate your loyalty to the Dream Girls and look forward to a great opening day.

We understand that some of you may decide to move on to pursue other opportunities and may not want to be on the standby. We wish you good luck in all your future endeavors if you choose to do so, however, please note that you will not be considered for any future employment opportunities with Dream Girls or any of its sister organizations.

verfolgung
07-27-2009, 06:05 PM
To: All the future Independent Contractors of Dream Girls
From: The Management of Dream Girls

Subject: Standby

Management would like to apologize for the delay in opening Dream Girls. We are still in the process of finalizing operational details. We understand that your time is valuable as such management has approved a stipend of $2,500.00/Week for all our independent contractors. We appreciate your loyalty to the Dream Girls and look forward to a great opening day.

We understand that some of you may decide to move on to pursue other opportunities and may not want to be on the standby. We wish you good luck in all your future endeavors if you choose to do so, however, please note that you will not be considered for any future employment opportunities with Dream Girls or any of its sister organizations.

What tha ... ?!? /:O

mediocrity
07-27-2009, 06:10 PM
Cyril, why are you forging ahead without answering anyone's questions? Where did you get your stipend figure from?

I think originally you may have been trying to build a feasible model, but now it's ventured into just plain ridiculous.

Cyril
07-27-2009, 06:14 PM
Cyril, why are you forging ahead without answering anyone's questions? Where did you get your stipend figure from?

I think originally you may have been trying to build a feasible model, but now it's ventured into just plain ridiculous.

I am not feeling well as a result my brain is not up for coming up with a full operational model. In couple of days, I should have an operational plan then Dream Girls will open.

Note: There is enough money in reserve to pay the stipend. So no worries.

xdamage
07-27-2009, 06:31 PM
Note: There is enough money in reserve to pay the stipend. So no worries.

Ah... why would anyone worry? Since this is just some fantasy land in your head you can put any sum of money in reserve, millions, even trillions... why even stop at $2500 stipend, just make up a bigger reserve number and pay more? Honestly what is the point of this thread?

Cyril
07-27-2009, 06:32 PM
Ah... why would anyone worry? Since this is just some fantasy land in your head you can put any sum of money in reserve, millions, even trillions... why even stop at $2500 stipend, just make up a bigger reserve number and pay more? Honestly what is the point of this thread?

$2,500 is a reasonable amount. I cannot just pull out any number I want; it has to be realistic. I have a budget in mind on an atomic level.

WiseGuy_TX
07-27-2009, 07:12 PM
I cannot just pull out any number I want; it has to be realistic. I have a budget in mind on an atomic level.....http://i25.tinypic.com/2lt27g0.jpg

verfolgung
07-27-2009, 07:25 PM
$2,500 is a reasonable amount. I cannot just pull out any number I want; it has to be realistic. I have a budget in mind on an atomic level.

Since your memo didn't contain any "claw back" clause here's hoping your fictional dancers collect your fictional money for whatever fictional time frame you make up and then quit the night before the fictional grand opening. ::)

(Btw - Your other fictional staff is upset they are not collecting any fictional paychecks. They put their fictional lives on hold too you know!)

verfolgung
07-27-2009, 08:02 PM
To: The Management of Dream Girls
From: The Fictional Investors of Dream Girls

Subject: Operational Concerns

The fictional Investors of Dream Girls would like to point out several additional areas of concern which they would like management to address prior to approving any additional fictional funding.

- The investors are concerned with the choice of Portland, OR for the club's initial location. Oregon currently has the highest per capita number of adult venue gentlemen's clubs in the natian at just over 7 clubs per 100,000 in population (compared to Vegas which has just over 5.5 clubs per 100,000). While the investors recognize that the market is saturated due to its favorable zoning environment (in the state of Oregon SCs are treated on the same as any other commercial business and zoning is defined at the State, not local, level), the investors are concerned by the active effort of several groups to ammend the current zoning laws. This unknown risk poses a challenge when significant capital could be spent in developing a club which could soon become a non-conforming use.

Investors are also concerned how Dream Girls will effectively differentiate itself in this market where local laws already prohibit any contact between dancer and customer below the shoulder and above the knee.

- Investors remain concerned with management's wish to include a helicopter pad and a fleet of two helicopters as part of the project. The negative ROI implications are huge given the significant up front costs (ie acquistion of the air craft, development of a legal helicopter landing and storage and maintenance facilities, etc.) as well as significant ongoing costs (flight crews, maintenance crews, fuel, parts, insurance, environmental credits, etc.). It is difficult to project a positive impact on earnings, with this luxury item.

The helicopter pad and helicopters, would also result in the club being required to be located away from the CBD, thus placing it at a disadvantage with it's competitors. Location location location.

The helicopter facility will open the club up to potential scrutiny by several additional local, state and federal agencies making sure we comply with non-disturbacne noise levels, non-impact to natutal migratory patterns of birds, proper storage of environmentally hazordous materials, etc., etc., etc.

The helicopter facility may open the club up to complaints from customers who have their vehicles parked in our lots, and are impacted by the dust and debris. In addition, it may impact our outdoor lounge and smoking area with high noise and wind levels.

- Investors hope to see a revised business plan, which can be effectively replicated in several markets for future expansion and franchise posibilites.

Additional feedback to follow. :P

Earl_the_Pearl
07-27-2009, 09:18 PM
Investors are also concerned how Dream Girls will effectively differentiate itself in this market where local laws already prohibit any contact between dancer and customer below the shoulder and above the knee.


I have it; Dream Girls will be a shrimpers paradise. Dancers with pretty feet only need apply. :D

Almost Jaded
07-27-2009, 09:25 PM
For the record, an "A-star" can be had used for several hundred thousand, and are reasonably inexpensive to maintain (only $20-30k/mo with steady use and a competent crew, not including fuel). They can seat 5 plus pilot, and are favored by tour companies on a budget for a reason. The larger, quieter, and faster "E-star" or "Eco-Star" seats 2 more people, is faster and all around better, but they aren't cheap, as even used they tend to go for well over $500,000, and as much as $1.5 million. New, note that A's are upwards of $2 million and E's almost $4 million. Note that federal regs regarding regular tear down and maintenance of choppers is VERY strict. Of course, there are myriad other choices, but I thought I'd lend a little advice gleaned from a short stint in the helicopter Grand Canyon and Las Vegas Strip tours business, almost every company favors these two models for a reason.

In other words, the budget for purchasing and maintaining those two birds alone - NOT including the cost of the pad, storage, etc - could finance a whole club on a pretty decent level.

JayATee
07-27-2009, 11:27 PM
....http://i25.tinypic.com/2lt27g0.jpg

Just had to say that this officially is the most awesome thing I've ever seen.

xdamage
07-28-2009, 08:40 AM
Ya, wisegutx... i passed on the animated .gif to a couple of friends (who got the joke) and have found their own uses for it ;)