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Elvia
09-02-2009, 04:18 PM
You really can't see how saying on a forum that is primarily for women, that women shouldn't be allowed to pursue certain careers just because they're women, would be seen as offensive? REALLY?

Well, you should just leave right now because there's really no hope for you. If you can't figure out why blatant sexism offends people, you really are a moron. I'm sure you'll go on some crybaby bitchfest now about how unfair it is that I just called you that. But since you clearly don't give a damn about offending anyone, you're no longer afforded the same respect in my book.

And now, because Vmurphy asked, I'll be done with it.

vmurphy252
09-02-2009, 04:28 PM
You kinda reversed the request (you commented before stopping :)), but thanks!

Elvia
09-02-2009, 04:31 PM
You'll take what you get, Murphy!!!

(sorry, slipped back into Domme mode for a second)

Gia2608
09-02-2009, 09:47 PM
Wow, this thread is still going?

Hopper
09-03-2009, 05:39 AM
You really can't see how saying on a forum that is primarily for women, that women shouldn't be allowed to pursue certain careers just because they're women, would be seen as offensive? REALLY?

Well, you should just leave right now because there's really no hope for you. If you can't figure out why blatant sexism offends people, you really are a moron. I'm sure you'll go on some crybaby bitchfest now about how unfair it is that I just called you that. But since you clearly don't give a damn about offending anyone, you're no longer afforded the same respect in my book.

And now, because Vmurphy asked, I'll be done with it.

Think what you like about me. However me being labelled a sexual predator and accused of rudeness to dancers is another issue. I was standing up for myself, not crying and bitching, and I was I was even-tempered about it. Should I just humour the "lil' wimmens" because, not being in control of their emotions, they aren't expected to behave rationally?

Hopper
09-03-2009, 06:20 AM
The general consensus among economists is the deficit spending is the best way to fight a recession. Herbert Hoover made reducing the deficit a priority during the economic downturn of 1929 and look how that turned out.

The reason "consensus" economists say deficit spending fights recession is that, because the U.S. economy is tied to the Federal Reserve System, all money is literally debt, or created through debt. That is how our present paper currency came into being. If all debts were to be repaid, there would be literally zero money in circulation. So we must remain in deficit all the time.

The crash of 1929 was not caused by reduction of the deficit. It was caused by the Fed, which artificially ran up credit, causing inflation of the currency to rapidly increase, and then suddenly contracted credit, which directly affected the stock market and caused it to crash.

Abolish the Fed and restore real currency and you won't need deficit spending.

babybambi08
09-05-2009, 02:11 PM
wow, this really opened a can of worms!

lmiller22134
09-07-2009, 09:49 AM
Well, here's the beauty of it- YOU DON'T HAVE TO. I don't personally relate to the thrill some people get from peeing on eachother. Or anal sex. Just not my things. But I don't have to.

You better learn to deal with the fact that other people are not merely extensions of you, and that not everyone's sexuality is identical to yours, and that no one gives a shit if you do or do not relate. The world will be a much better place for all of us once you can accept that not everyone is like you, and they don't have to be.
Hmm seems like you have never been with a guy who liked things that you didnt like because maybe then you would understand my annoyance.
sooner or later you might find a guy who will dump you because you dont have anal with him or pee on him because every other girl he has been with has wanted anal and pee play....
so whether you are okay with other people having different "interests" you have to admit what other people do DOES in fact affect us in one way or another.




There are plenty of women that feel the same (and some guys) but also you have to remember that selling it for $$s pisses off many people too.

From their PoV it cheapens sex, turns it into something with a lot of "meaning" that they could trade for a lifetime relationship (and all the benefits off) into something that is just a commodity.

Cyril for example freaks out about this and so do many other people. From their PoV selling sex is taking away the value, the mystique, what made it something special, the emotional bonding, so for them selling it is screwing up their preferred way of of how to capitalize on the value of sex.

And there lies the way it is with so many things. Everyone wants what they want, the want the rules to align with their own preferences and for everyone else to agree (not necessarily condone, but at least not interfere).

And the value of sex really is all relative. Because sex really has no absolute value (even developmentally disabled people have sex along with most every creature on the planet that has split sexes). The only value it has is what we think it does in our heads. See in many ways its present day market value in $s is high because of so much before us that taught us sex is something that shouldn't be sold or engaged in casually. You are a beneficiary today of religious beliefs of the past but... economics change...

As time goes on, as the stigma about selling it further decreases, even its saleable value will drop because there is nothing preventing every woman from capitalizing on it, and thus competing for prices, except that currently they are kind of like you. Pissed that some women are selling it and it is ruining the value it has as a point of power in their relationships.

Such is life.. usually when we get what we want there are side effects we didn't.
Oh you are totally right. seling sex for 1k a pop totally cheapens it but giving it away for free to some person you just met who you wont ever see again doesnt cheapen it at all! AT ALL!
ITs like the people who say gay marriage ruins the sanctity of marriage.


So if a women decides she's in a mod and wants to get laid, and decides that of all the guys she sees as options at the moment I'm the one she wants, I am to tell her what? That she needs to pay me for my services because my services are worth more than free? Or I should offer her money (and risk her being offended that I think of her as a whore) because her pussy is worth more than free? I'm confused. It would SEEM - please correct me if I'm wrong - that you're saying her pussy is worth more than my cock, so I should have to pay. Hmm. I see a problem there. Do you? Tell ya' what - why don't we call it even - I would enjoy fucking her no strings attached, and she would enjoy it too - even trade? I like that, and the girls I've had one nighters with did too. By all means, keep not doing it that way - your prerogative. Kindly allow others to have theirs as well.
wow...wow WOW you must be really ugly, stupid, insecure, etc...to have NEVER turned down sex from a stranger! Women get propositioned for sex allt he time. We easily say no. Men who have self respect do the same. Any self respecting man would not want to have sex with a girl who just randomly picked him out because she's horny. Believe it or not some men have standards. I know its hard to believe because unlike them you can't afford to be picky. And again you prove that you are not attractive because i have NEVER met an attractive man (slutty or not) who will willingly have sex with ANY horny girl who offers. All of them are at least a LITTLE bit shallow, even the pigs.


I bet you know where you fall in relation to other women, yes?
No actually i dont know. Unlike you, i'm not delusional. There is not one person on this earth who doesnt get called attractive frequently. Just because you surround yourself with people with low standards or who are compulsive liars does not mean you are attractive, sorry.


So I guess what you're really saying is that all the "custies" on this board are ugly and pathetic, otherwise they wouldn't be here. Hear that guys?
Hey you are the one who said that anyone who has to buy sex is ugly. You clearly admit to enjoying strip clubs quite often. by your own logic, you are ugly.

WiseGuy_TX
09-07-2009, 12:40 PM
...damn babe, was it really necessary to stir it up three weeks later? Getting a good word in is sometimes better than getting the last word in.

xdamage
09-07-2009, 12:59 PM
Oh you are totally right. seling sex for 1k a pop totally cheapens it but giving it away for free to some person you just met who you wont ever see again doesnt cheapen it at all! AT ALL!
ITs like the people who say gay marriage ruins the sanctity of marriage.

Okay, well I grant that you are clear that to you it is important that sex remain a valuable commodity. I honestly don't think you can sway any max group agreement, but at least you are being consistent here.

I have to say I've been seeing the general trend in our society is likely headed the way it is in the Netherlands; sex is increasingly valueless. Casual sex is common and people require greater and greater thrills to feel something. Sex with prostitutes is 50-75 Euros for 15 minutes. Men increasingly see no reason to marry for sex, and friends are just friends, we don't marry friends. Could be that is our future as well. The value of sex is entirely in people's heads so strangely the want to increasingly liberalize it and commoditize it could end up with it becoming increasingly common, thus increasingly devalued.

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 01:01 PM
So if a women decides she's in a mood and wants to get laid, and decides that of all the guys she sees as options at the moment I'm the one she wants, I am to tell her what? That she needs to pay me for my services because my services are worth more than free? Or I should offer her money (and risk her being offended that I think of her as a whore) because her pussy is worth more than free? I'm confused. It would SEEM - please correct me if I'm wrong - that you're saying her pussy is worth more than my cock, so I should have to pay. Hmm. I see a problem there. Do you? Tell ya' what - why don't we call it even - I would enjoy fucking her no strings attached, and she would enjoy it too - even trade? I like that, and the girls I've had one nighters with did too. By all means, keep not doing it that way - your prerogative. Kindly allow others to have theirs as well.
wow...wow WOW you must be really ugly, stupid, insecure, etc...to have NEVER turned down sex from a stranger! Women get propositioned for sex allt he time. We easily say no. Men who have self respect do the same. Any self respecting man would not want to have sex with a girl who just randomly picked him out because she's horny. Believe it or not some men have standards. I know its hard to believe because unlike them you can't afford to be picky. And again you prove that you are not attractive because i have NEVER met an attractive man (slutty or not) who will willingly have sex with ANY horny girl who offers. All of them are at least a LITTLE bit shallow, even the pigs.

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I bet you know where you fall in relation to other women, yes?
No actually i dont know. Unlike you, i'm not delusional. There is not one person on this earth who doesnt get called attractive frequently. Just because you surround yourself with people with low standards or who are compulsive liars does not mean you are attractive, sorry.

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So I guess what you're really saying is that all the "custies" on this board are ugly and pathetic, otherwise they wouldn't be here. Hear that guys?
Hey you are the one who said that anyone who has to buy sex is ugly. You clearly admit to enjoying strip clubs quite often. by your own logic, you are ugly.

LMFAO - you fail. You made a point earlier, I argued it, you replied with your first point without addressing my arguments at all. You super FAIL because you resorted to base name calling and insults, a clear indicator that you just don't have a fucking point worth making.

You take my hypothetical - which destroyed your ealrier point regarding pay for sex, etc by the way - and avoid the point I was making by going off about how I have no standards. Based on a HYPOTHETICAL situation created for the SOLE PURPOSE of aarguing one of YOUR posts. Way to miss the mark.

You don't know? You have no idea where you stand on the "traditional" 1-10 scale? Where the "average person" would rate you for your attractiveness? Really? And this means I surround MYSELF with complulsive liars and people with low standards because... Oh that's right, no reason with any basis whatsoever, just like the rest of your post. Because you said so out of sheer lack of ability to make a point or of a point to make in the first place.

Again, you are misinterpreting my statement - I never said only ugly people go to brothels or SC's, you keep attributing that to me and I never fucking said it - and throwing back something that doesn't in any way relate to my comment. Because YET AGAIN you are incapable of making an intelligent response and resort to insults in your more and more obvious insecurity.

If at first you don't succeed - give up. You're making a damn fool of yourself.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 02:38 PM
Hmm seems like you have never been with a guy who liked things that you didnt like because maybe then you would understand my annoyance.
sooner or later you might find a guy who will dump you because you dont have anal with him or pee on him because every other girl he has been with has wanted anal and pee play....
so whether you are okay with other people having different "interests" you have to admit what other people do DOES in fact affect us in one way or another.


Sure I've been with guys who likes stuff I don't. We either compromise, or, if what he really really wants is just a hard limit for me and he can't live without it, we go our separate ways. What's your point? That I should blame the sex partners he was with before who did willingly to engage in those activities? No one should ever engage in anal sex because Elvia doesn't like it?

Elvia
09-07-2009, 02:54 PM
Think what you like about me. However me being labelled a sexual predator and accused of rudeness to dancers is another issue. I was standing up for myself, not crying and bitching, and I was I was even-tempered about it. Should I just humour the "lil' wimmens" because, not being in control of their emotions, they aren't expected to behave rationally?


People are behaving rationally. But if you act like an asshole, you're likely to be called an asshole. It's a convenient little system you've worked out for yourself. Spew blatant sexism on a forum primarily for women, then when women are inevitably pissed off, you can call them overemotional! Brilliant!::)

Hopper
09-09-2009, 01:42 AM
^In that post, I was not saying you should not be held responsible, I was saying you sound as if you expect not to be, i.e. you can comment how you like about me and if I answer back, it's "crying and bitching". My sexist comments are a different issue. I can accept other people's opinion on that. But being pissed off about mine doesn't justify your other, unrelated and irrational charges about me, which were made before the sexism issue even came up. You talk as if you aren't responsible for your comments at the same time that you are complaining that I have insulted your rationality and intelligence. Choose one!

Hopper
09-09-2009, 05:42 AM
My comments about women being judges or President may or may not be out of order. I just absed that on women I have known. But what I don't like is people who disagree merely on the grounds that it is "sexist" to say that women are emotional. Firstly, it's okay for them in the same discussion to counter with the idea that men are "aggressive" and even that more men are more likely to be violent criminals, warmongers etc. Why isn't that "sexist"?

Then you have the new breed of feminist who "celebrates" femininity all of a sudden. Women can be bad as they want to be because it's all about being wild and feminine and not being caged by all that "male" logic and "patriarchal" morality. Well that's just a "safe" kind of femininity - meaning ideologically safe for femininists; it's unsafe for society at large. It recongnises the tendencies without taking responsibility for them. So if I talk about women being more emotional and less rational, I'm a sexist. If some "gender studies" pointy-head says it, it's "liberating".

Saying my comments are "sexist" is just a dumb ideological, dogmatic, learned knee-jerk response, an empty, parrotted catch-word. It doesn't say anything about why I am wrong. It doesn't even say that I AM wrong. It just says that I am "wrong" to THINK it.

Cyril
09-10-2009, 07:55 PM
People are behaving rationally. But if you act like an asshole, you're likely to be called an asshole. It's a convenient little system you've worked out for yourself. Spew blatant sexism on a forum primarily for women, then when women are inevitably pissed off, you can call them overemotional! Brilliant!::)

There are lots of posters on this forum who may deserve to be called "asshole" but Hopper is not one of them. He is perhaps one of the few rational posters on this forum. The thing I like about him is he attacks views not people. He is OK in my book.

WiseGuy_TX
09-10-2009, 09:27 PM
There are lots of posters on this forum who may deserve to be called "asshole" but Hopper is not one of them. He is perhaps one of the few rational posters on this forum. The thing I like about him is he attacks views not people. He is OK in my book....he is one of them to those who feel he is. Simple logic.

Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 10:56 PM
To be called an "asshole" by a certain group is a badge of honour.

Hopper
09-11-2009, 12:23 AM
...he is one of them to those who feel he is. Simple logic.

Poor logic. Feeling doesn't make it so. The person feeling it could be the real asshole.

Hopper
09-11-2009, 12:52 AM
To be called an "asshole" by a certain group is a badge of honour.

I gave up trying to be popular a long time ago.

WiseGuy_TX
09-11-2009, 06:00 AM
Poor logic. Feeling doesn't make it so. The person feeling it could be the real asshole....Irrelevant logic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so are assholes. Cyril's admiration for you is proof.:D

princessjas
09-11-2009, 07:20 AM
...Irrelevant logic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so are assholes. Cyril's admiration for you is proof.:D

They'll never get it...If they are in fact different people... :lens: I thought I caught a whiff of sock earlier. :shhh:

Elvia
09-11-2009, 05:18 PM
There are lots of posters on this forum who may deserve to be called "asshole" but Hopper is not one of them. He is perhaps one of the few rational posters on this forum. The thing I like about him is he attacks views not people. He is OK in my book.

Cyril, everyone knows that you like hopper because he is literally the only person here who tolerates you.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 05:20 PM
You talk as if you aren't responsible for your comments

On the contrary. I stand by every comment I have made about you.

Hopper
09-11-2009, 07:07 PM
^You said I am an asshole because I am being "sexist". But what do you mean by sexist? That I think men and women are different? That I think women are typically much more emotionally inclined?

There are many "sexist" books on the market now saying just this. These books say that there is a big communication gulf between the sexes because of the different way in which the sexes think, and that part of this is the fact that women are more reliant on their feelings and that men think more rationally. None of these books are saying that this means women are inferior, and few of the women who read them are offended by what they say. Why am I offending you by saying the same thing?

You said I have a "convenient little system" going, in which I "spew blatant sexism" and then call women "overemotional" when they complain. I think it is you who has the convenient system: Label anyone who disagrees that men and women are identical with a meaningless smear word, use it as an excuse to abuse him, then abuse him some more when he conmplains.

Hopper
09-11-2009, 07:18 PM
...Irrelevant logic. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so are assholes. Cyril's admiration for you is proof.:D

So if someone thinks I am an asshole, and someone else (other than Cyril) reading the same comments thinks I am not, then I am an asshole and at the same time not an asshole?

Like I said, perhaps the person who said I am an asshole is just using my comments, twisting them, as an excuse to call me an asshole, which is what assholes do.

If you are right that assholes are in the eye of the beholder, then it is something out of my control, which means I am not responsible, which means I am not actually an asshole - it's all in the other person's head.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 07:33 PM
I don't like the idea of a woman judge or president at all. I don't want a woman deciding whether I go to jail or with her finger on the red button. Sorry girls but I think you know where I'm coming from.



This is the sexist sentiment in question. That's a far cry from just saying "women and men are different." It's a whole different level to say that someone is unequipped to be allowed to hold a certain job because of their sex.

Also, no one labeled you a sexual predator, as those who have gone over the link have already told you. And you say I'm the one twisting things?

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:14 PM
Cyril, everyone knows that you like hopper because he is literally the only person here who tolerates you.

Nope you are wrong. I like Hopper for his sense of fair play.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:15 PM
^^^No one believes that. Except for maybe hopper.

of course, you both have antiquated ideas about women, so I'm sure you two bond over that.

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:18 PM
^^^No one believes that. Except for maybe hopper.

It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:19 PM
of course, you both have antiquated ideas about women, so I'm sure you two bond over that.

Can you give an example of my antiquated ideas about women?

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:23 PM
It is not worth an intelligent man's time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.





Far better to be the lone idiot who proudly waves the flag of ignorance. Individuality is great- when you actually have something to offer, instead of just arguing about things you have no real knowledge of.

And no, cyril, I'm tired of explaining the obvious to you. It does no good anyway.

Dirty Ernie
09-11-2009, 08:24 PM
Rut-Roh Shaggy! Hopper, meet your petard. Let the hoisting begin! ;D


. None of these books are saying that this means women are inferior, and few of the women who read them are offended by what they say. Why am I offending you by saying the same thing...

"I don't like the idea of a woman judge or president at all. I don't want a woman deciding whether I go to jail or with her finger on the red button"

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:29 PM
Far better to be the lone idiot who proudly waves the flag of ignorance. Individuality is great- when you actually have something to offer, instead of just arguing about things you have no real knowledge of.

And no, cyril, I'm tired of explaining the obvious to you. It does no good anyway.

Once again you missed the point. Individuality is not the point here. The point is majority is not always right. Example: Nazi Germany, Fascism in Italy, etc.

Last but not least, you are not explaining anything you are just coming up with unsubstantiated accusations.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:31 PM
oh no, clearly the guy who never goes to strip clubs and has no real knowledge or experience with them is right ::) Those of us who actually work in and patronize them don't know what we're talking about.

In the context of this site, you (the minority) are clearly wrong much of the time.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:32 PM
Last but not least, you are not explaining anything you are just coming up with unsubstantiated accusations.

When it comes to you, I'm ok with that. Explanations are lost on you.

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:36 PM
oh no, clearly the guy who never goes to strip clubs and has no real knowledge or experience with them is right ::) Those of us who actually work in and patronize them don't know what we're talking about.

This post is a textbook example of what they call "parroting a line". You are parroting your lines without even realizing that the things you are attacking me for are not even strip club related. You are attacking me for possessing antiquated views on women. Please at least keep track of what you are talking about. Thanks!

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:42 PM
Cyril, it doesn't really matter. You wear this motto all over this site. that you're different, that you have a unique perspective, that your ignorance is somehow beneficial to you and to all of us as a whole. I'm trying to show you, in a broader context, that that logic has never held up.

why, did you actually want to explain how holding "antiquated views" about anything is good? How it makes you an individual? Keep in mind that "antiquated" already implies that the views are no longer relevant.

Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 08:46 PM
They'll never get it...If they are in fact different people... :lens: I thought I caught a whiff of sock earlier. :shhh:
I'm not sure what Cyril is but definitely not a sock puppet.

My favorite sock puppet. http://www.puppetville.com/my_files/images/lewis_shari_small.jpg

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:47 PM
why, did you actually want to explain how holding "antiquated views" about anything is good? How it makes you an individual? Keep in mind that "antiquated" already implies that the views are no longer relevant.

... and bananas are greenish yellow. Your reply was off the track. If you are unable to keep on track then I am afraid I will have to respectfully bow out of this exchange.

My question was why did you accuse me of possessing antiquated views on women? Why?

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:50 PM
^^^ And as I told you, I'm not going to bother dragging up threads and pasting just to prove some point that will invariably be lost on you.

Here's an idea, why don't you bow out of this site all together? Seeing as how you are pretty much universally disliked and do nothing but cause trouble and piss people off?

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:50 PM
I'm not sure what Cyril is but definitely not a sock puppet.

My favorite sock puppet. http://www.puppetville.com/my_files/images/lewis_shari_small.jpg


You will find out. I am coming to the dreaded east coast soon. Against my will of course. :D

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:51 PM
^^^ And as I told you, I'm not going to bother dragging up threads and pasting just to prove some point that will invariably be lost on you.

Here's an idea, why don't you bow out of this site all together? Seeing as how you are pretty much universally disliked and do nothing but cause trouble and piss people off?

If pissing is the criteria we are going by then you are just as guilty. Why don't we both leave this site? :D

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:53 PM
LOL, it is hilarious how you you seize upon someone simply suggesting you're "not a sock puppet" as if it were some sort of compliment. I guess it's the closest you'll be getting around here.

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:55 PM
LOL, it is hilarious how you you seize upon someone simply suggesting you're "not a sock puppet" as if it were some sort of compliment. I guess it's the closest you'll be getting around here.

You are wrong. That was not a compliment. That was a badge of honor.

Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:55 PM
I may piss off a person here and there, but no one could ever compare to you. You take the cake honey. Everyone knows you're the village idiot of SW.

Cyril
09-11-2009, 08:57 PM
I may piss off a person here and there, but no one could ever compare to you. You take the cake honey. Everyone knows you're the village idiot of SW.

All right, Elvia. You are so wise. What can I say? :D

Good night love!

Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 09:06 PM
You will find out. I am coming to the dreaded east coast soon. Against my will of course. :D
I can show you things that will change your mind about SC forever. :medusa:

princessjas
09-11-2009, 09:07 PM
I may piss off a person here and there, but no one could ever compare to you. You take the cake honey. Everyone knows you're the village idiot of SW.

Thank you!

Soon you shall be required to be my sexay nakkie robot! lol ;D Cyril shall be chained to our wall for fun. hehe }:D

Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 09:11 PM
Thank you!

Soon you shall be required to be my sexay nakkie robot! lol ;D Cyril shall be chained to our wall for fun. hehe }:D
Me too, me too. See if you can shame me. :yawn: