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Cyril
08-08-2009, 05:47 PM
Your logic: Get into the amusement park for free to look at the rides and decide if you want to stay.
No. That is not my logic.
Cyril
08-08-2009, 05:49 PM
Your logic is severely flawed in this instance which is why you are being told so. A SC isn't a regular business that you will be allowed to "tour before you invest". It's a ridiculous, completely absurd notion. And you would know this if you spend any time in SCs, which you do not. How you can even think that you know more than those of us in the business is asinine.
A business is a business. There is no such thing as regular business and irregular business unless you can lay out the respective definitions for me.
verfolgung
08-08-2009, 07:28 PM
My logic:
Asses the service provider before purchasing the service.
Your logic:
Purchase the service without assessing the service provider.
Do I need to spell it out who is more logical?
This has nothing to do with logic! It has to do with reality!
There is no point in trying to argue what should be and what shouldn't be, as it will not help the OP with their question.
You threw out a suggestion to the OP that was not based on anything but an assumption. You had no experience to back up your comment, so you basically just pulled it out of your ass.
People in the industry have told you that you are wrong, why do you continue to try to fight their real world feedback? You should simply stop, check yourself, apologise for once again posting in ignorance, and move on.
Cyril
08-08-2009, 07:33 PM
This has nothing to do with logic! It has to do with reality!
Well, if the reality does not conform to the logic then it is time to change the reality. The whole point I am trying to make is, the reality in the strip club world does not make any sense when tested with logic.
verfolgung
08-08-2009, 07:38 PM
^^^ Who cares? You're not going to change it, and trying to argue the point does the OP no good.
Of all the illogical aspects that are part of the reality of modern SCs, this one is way, way, way down the list of those that anyone is really concerned about trying to change anyway.
You want to fix an illogical reality? Try fixing our messed up government.
xdamage
08-08-2009, 07:53 PM
...It seems quite reasonable to me.
So if it was you, or your wife getting naked for money you would be content with management parading in guys off the streets because they say they MIGHT be willing to pay you after they've looked you up and down? You'd be okay with having your body treated like a movie trailer?
You're incapable of seeing how what is being sold is not an inanimate object or neutral service, and how if you put yourselves in the seller's shoes, to see why you'd rather not have random broke guys wandering through for a free show?
Elvia
08-08-2009, 08:01 PM
Oh Cyril.
I think you have actually gone past the point of being annoying, and your ignorance is actually more hilarious than anything.
That "suggestion" made me LOL more than any other comment on SW I have ever read. I laughed through the whole thread. Someone actually called me while I was in the middle of the thread and I had to explain it to them because I still couldn't stop laughing. And then they couldn't stop laughing either. BTW- my friend suggested you ask for a "free sample" at the end of your tour as well.
I would like to retract a statement I made a few weeks ago when I accused you of being a troll because "no one could be that clueless." I was wrong. Apparently, they really can be.
mediocrity
08-09-2009, 01:52 AM
No. That is not my logic.
OK. I must be retarded then. Break it down to my level and explain how it is NOT the same as expecting free entry at an amusement park/ movie etc to check out the wares before deciding to stay or go.
JayATee
08-09-2009, 02:30 AM
A business is a business. There is no such thing as regular business and irregular business unless you can lay out the respective definitions for me.
Wow... I really don't think it could possibly be explained to you any more simply. So what is the complication? What is it that makes it soooo difficult a concept for you to grasp? YOU PAY THE DOOR MAN OR YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE NAKED LADIES.
OK. I must be retarded then. Break it down to my level and explain how it is NOT the same as expecting free entry at an amusement park/ movie etc to check out the wares before deciding to stay or go.
You'll notice dear he simply said you're wrong without any further explanation. This leads me to believe there is no logic and never was, he just wants to cause MORE drama.
Cyril
08-09-2009, 09:25 AM
Oh Cyril.
I think you have actually gone past the point of being annoying, and your ignorance is actually more hilarious than anything.
That "suggestion" made me LOL more than any other comment on SW I have ever read. I laughed through the whole thread. Someone actually called me while I was in the middle of the thread and I had to explain it to them because I still couldn't stop laughing. And then they couldn't stop laughing either. BTW- my friend suggested you ask for a "free sample" at the end of your tour as well.
I would like to retract a statement I made a few weeks ago when I accused you of being a troll because "no one could be that clueless." I was wrong. Apparently, they really can be.
JayATee, Mediocrity and Verf,
Please read this:
Cyril
08-09-2009, 09:29 AM
OK. I must be retarded then. Break it down to my level and explain how it is NOT the same as expecting free entry at an amusement park/ movie etc to check out the wares before deciding to stay or go.
It is simple. I am not advocating free entry. I am advocating a tour; it can be just 59 seconds long. This will inspire customer confidence and may result in increased revenue for dancers and the club.
babybambi08
08-09-2009, 09:32 AM
I dont know about nude, but I have heard that some you dont have to take off your bottoms- like a bargining thing.. If they wanna see they have to pay more..
Cyril
08-09-2009, 09:42 AM
Wow... I really don't think it could possibly be explained to you any more simply. So what is the complication? What is it that makes it soooo difficult a concept for you to grasp? YOU PAY THE DOOR MAN OR YOU DON'T GET TO SEE THE NAKED LADIES.
You'll notice dear he simply said you're wrong without any further explanation. This leads me to believe there is no logic and never was, he just wants to cause MORE drama.
It is you who is causing the drama. My advise was for the OP. It is up to the OP to use it or discard it.
Now coming back to the core of our last exchange:
It is you who introduced the idea of regular business and irregular business. I simply do not accept that such distinction exists. Therefore, I invite you to layout the definition for a regular business and irregular business.
If you cannot do that then it simply means that you need to work on the intricacy of the idea coined by you.
xdamage
08-09-2009, 10:07 AM
It is you who introduced the idea of regular business and irregular business. I simply do not accept that such distinction exists. Therefore, I invite you to layout the definition for a regular business and irregular business.
By far the vast majority of business involves the exchange of inanimate objects or neutral services. We can call this "regular".
Sex workers are selling something quite irregular by comparison, their own bodies, sometimes access to their inner selves in a way that people in most business never have to deal with. This is irregular.
Those who choose to sell this irregular service can set their own terms of what they feel is a fair, and acceptable exchange including telling you that free previews are not offered.
Get over it because until you can reasonably prove that you (or a spouse, daughter, or mother) would do otherwise selling the same thing it is your for free previews of their bodies that is irregular.
Cyril
08-09-2009, 10:12 AM
Get over it because until you can reasonably prove that you (or a spouse, daughter, or mother) would do otherwise selling the same thing it is your for free previews of their bodies that is irregular.
This is the same thing I have been meaning to tell you but I refrained from it out of politeness. But since you brought in spouse, daughter and mother.
I want to ask the same thing to you, would you still advocate prostitution if your daughter were involved in it?
Elvia
08-09-2009, 01:14 PM
^^^ I certainly would. Because my adult daughter (or mother, or sister, etc) is he own person. Because I believe that people should have the right to decide what they do with their own bodies. In fact, one of my oldest and dearest friends, who I've known since childhood and regard as a sister, is an escort. I respect her choice.
The whole point is that when it comes to other people's bodies and sexuality, the rest of us don't get a vote.
r
xdamage
08-09-2009, 01:25 PM
This is the same thing I have been meaning to tell you but I refrained from it out of politeness. But since you brought in spouse, daughter and mother.
I want to ask the same thing to you, would you still advocate prostitution if your daughter were involved in it?
No that is your mind hearing all or nothing (it's an all good choice or it's all bad choice).
I didn't advocate prostitution as a life choice. I advocated not legally punishing adults who choose it for whatever reasons their life takes them in that direction. There is a big difference! But since you ask -
Mom's - We have no choice over. Our parents do what they want. But if your mom chooses it you would prefer she goes to jail over it?
Wife - No because sexual exclusivity is very important to me, but if other couples can work out something between them, great for them. And if the wife went down that path in life after marriage, I'd probably divorce, move on to find someone who wants exclusivity like me, But I'd be less upset by that then by being cheated on. I wouldn't want her to go to jail over it.
Daughters (or Sons) - No along with hundreds of other jobs I discouraged my kids from considering. I encouraged her to follow her Engineering dream for multiple reasons including great pay and full benefits in her 20s, plus potential to make excellent money and benefits in her 40-65+ age part of her life where her resume now will dramatically effect her income later in life. But if she was insistent on being a prostitute for whatever reason, I'd cope and still love her, and surely NOT want her to charged with a criminal offense.
As I told you already, I personally don't use prostitutes because I do have some concerns about who is doing it out of choice vs force, as well as it would be cheating on my S.O., and when I was younger I didn't need to. Which still has nothing to do with I don't believe those who choose to do so should have their lives ruined, legally punished for it.
It is not a path I would wish on my loved ones, but also for those who do choose it, I fail to see any reason why they should end up with a criminal record for it either. Who benefits from that? You can guide your kids to thousands of professions and paths without the prostitution choice being an illegal one.
JayATee
08-09-2009, 01:42 PM
^^^ I certainly would. Because my adult daughter (or mother, or sister, etc) is he own person. Because I believe that people should have the right to decide what they do with their own bodies. In fact, one of my oldest and dearest friends, who I've known since childhood and regard as a sister, is an escort. I respect her choice.
The whole point is that when it comes to other people's bodies and sexuality, the rest of us don't get a vote.
r
Thank you so much for writing this. It is exactly how I feel. They would have my support 100% as well.
audrey_k
08-09-2009, 02:21 PM
With all due respect, movie companies do provide a thing called trailer, which lets you tour the theme of the movie before you decide to purchase a ticket.
Why can't we have 59 seconds tour for PLs before they decide to pay the cover? It seems quite reasonable to me.
Wouldn't it be more convenient for YOU to simply look up the photos online if you really want a preview, rather than get in your car or take the bus over to the club for the 59 second preview?
And I'm sure it sounds perfectly reasonable, as would free lap dances, free drinks, and a waived cover charge because you're just such a great customer. I'm sure "free" would sound perfectly reasonable to all of us.
DEE_K
08-09-2009, 03:03 PM
Around here all the clubs are nude so I can't comment. I don't see much of a big deal about it to be honest. I don't feel that much more "covered up" when I'm in a thong vs. being completely nude.
As for the other little debate, getting a free tour of a strip club is exactly the same as asking for a free tour of an amusement park or water park or just about any entertainment facility. It is asking a manager to use their time in order to escort around one obviously really cheap customer in order to make a sale that will not even be noticed in the bottom line. At least it was a funny read.
mediocrity
08-09-2009, 04:22 PM
^^ On the "movies have a trailer" thing. Most nicer clubs have a website where they have photo tours of their facilities and often some of their girls. So rather than waste a managers time escorting 8378293789472 people around each for their 59 seconds (or in a group like a freakin' tour bus) get on the internet and google that shit.
Hell, SR LV even has a video on their website.
minnow
08-09-2009, 06:57 PM
I dont know about nude, but I have heard that some you dont have to take off your bottoms- like a bargining thing.. If they wanna see they have to pay more..
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I've experienced one club kinda like that on a few visits in the 90's- Cheetah 3 in Atlanta. During the stage dances there, dancers wouldn't take anything off until certain tip thresholds were met, I think it was a $5 or greater tip threshold for going nude, something less for going topless. I've heard that this custom still exists there.
As for "nude" vs topless, it definitely depends on the locality. They are mostly non-alcohol. Stage dancing may be nude, but lapdances/VIP's could be anything from bikini to fully nude, contact anything from no contact to high contact. Some clubs have different price structures for dances- one So Cal variation being $20 for topless dances, and $40 for nude- oops, I forgot, OP apparently wants to pay CC, nurse soda, and oogle dancers for hours on end. In internet age, there's no excuse for not doing ones homework prior to club visit- the reviews are out there.8)
JayATee
08-09-2009, 07:02 PM
^^ On the "movies have a trailer" thing. Most nicer clubs have a website where they have photo tours of their facilities and often some of their girls. So rather than waste a managers time escorting 8378293789472 people around each for their 59 seconds (or in a group like a freakin' tour bus) get on the internet and google that shit.
Hell, SR LV even has a video on their website.
Yup, even my shitty little dive has a website...
chris91
08-10-2009, 12:18 AM
With all due respect, movie companies do provide a thing called trailer, which lets you tour the theme of the movie before you decide to purchase a ticket.
Why can't we have 59 seconds tour for PLs before they decide to pay the cover? It seems quite reasonable to me.
Ok the strip club equivalent to a movie trailer would be you getting to see the girls with their clothes on before paying. Seeing them naked would be like watching the whole movie before paying. Here's why it wouldn't work:
To do these kinds of "tours", the manager would have to basically shut down the club for 59 seconds. He'd have to make all the girls get dressed and take time out from running the club. All to give a tour to a guy who has already shown himself to be so cheap that 5-20 dollars is too much of a risk to take. There's also the fact that clubs would likely be over run with bargain hunting guys, who would tour with no intention of ever spending any money at all. Oh, and lets not forget about how degrading it would be to make your dancers parade around for a guy who has offered them zero compensation.
You may think that it is logical to give tours of strip clubs, but that's because you don't know anything about strip clubs. It would cost money to do it, and would result in nothing more than abuse and humiliation.
It's been mentioned already that many clubs have websites with pictures of their girls, and some of them even have coupons for a free cover charge. That is how you get your precious preview. Just don't let the dancers know that you used a coupon, because then we will know that you are a bargain hunter, and we will move on to one of the many men who see real value in what we do.
mediocrity
08-10-2009, 12:20 AM
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I've experienced one club kinda like that on a few visits in the 90's- Cheetah 3 in Atlanta. During the stage dances there, dancers wouldn't take anything off until certain tip thresholds were met, I think it was a $5 or greater tip threshold for going nude, something less for going topless. I've heard that this custom still exists there.
As for "nude" vs topless, it definitely depends on the locality. They are mostly non-alcohol. Stage dancing may be nude, but lapdances/VIP's could be anything from bikini to fully nude, contact anything from no contact to high contact. Some clubs have different price structures for dances- one So Cal variation being $20 for topless dances, and $40 for nude- oops, I forgot, OP apparently wants to pay CC, nurse soda, and oogle dancers for hours on end. In internet age, there's no excuse for not doing ones homework prior to club visit- the reviews are out there.8)
I worked at the original Pink Pony in ATL for yearrrsss... and we were the same. Less than $5? No top comin' off. Less than $10 (which was our dance price.)? No bottoms coming off. And our management encouraged us to keep these standards.
audrey_k
08-10-2009, 01:21 AM
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I've experienced one club kinda like that on a few visits in the 90's- Cheetah 3 in Atlanta. During the stage dances there, dancers wouldn't take anything off until certain tip thresholds were met, I think it was a $5 or greater tip threshold for going nude, something less for going topless. I've heard that this custom still exists there.
As for "nude" vs topless, it definitely depends on the locality. They are mostly non-alcohol. Stage dancing may be nude, but lapdances/VIP's could be anything from bikini to fully nude, contact anything from no contact to high contact. Some clubs have different price structures for dances- one So Cal variation being $20 for topless dances, and $40 for nude- oops, I forgot, OP apparently wants to pay CC, nurse soda, and oogle dancers for hours on end. In internet age, there's no excuse for not doing ones homework prior to club visit- the reviews are out there.8)
It's up to the dancers at my club. If someone is at the tip rail you are required to get fully nude. If no one is there, it's up to you. But if there are people in the club, you have to at least get topless.
I don't of any club in Los Angeles that has website without photos of the club and some of the girls that work there. Most have featured dancers and whatnot to boost their advertising. Zbone has almost nightly reviews of the clubs with specifics on the girls.
WiseGuy_TX
08-10-2009, 04:46 PM
It is simple. I am not advocating free entry. I am advocating a tour; it can be just 59 seconds long. This will inspire customer confidence and may result in increased revenue for dancers and the club....and in Vegas, i want a little peek at the house hand before i place a bet. Gosh bo diddly, what harm could there be?
Therefore, I invite you to layout the definition for a regular business and irregular business. ...now Cryil, no one is going to keep "defining" things for you.
CherryBomb954
08-10-2009, 07:38 PM
This thread is like a bad drug.
Even though I know it is rotting my brain, I keep coming back for more.
My brain hurts. I think I just tore my retina too.
Cyril
08-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Yup, even my shitty little dive has a website...
Why do you work at a dive?
Faye449
08-12-2009, 04:58 AM
This thread is like a bad drug.
Even though I know it is rotting my brain, I keep coming back for more.
My brain hurts. I think I just tore my retina too.
Me too! Can't stop reading it, makes me LMAO!
Elvia
08-12-2009, 04:23 PM
Why do you work at a dive?
Maybe you don't understand the definition of a dive. It doesn't mean it's a bad club, or that it's dirty. It means it's not one of those fancy gentleman's clubs with all the amenities and a ton of money put into the ambiance. More of a small, low key, casual neighborhood place. I love dives. My favorite club, that I've worked at for years, is a dive. There's plenty of money to be made, and usually a lot less pressure, and they take a lot less of your money.
Besides, dives are the types of clubs that can usually be found to attract working class clientelle. And unionized laborers are my fave. clintelle. They bring lots of $, very little bullshit.
And yeah, mine has a website too with photos of the club and many of the girls. Even though it's tiny and only has 3 girls dancing per shift.
Cyril
08-12-2009, 08:06 PM
Maybe you don't understand the definition of a dive. It doesn't mean it's a bad club, or that it's dirty. It means it's not one of those fancy gentleman's clubs with all the amenities and a ton of money put into the ambiance. More of a small, low key, casual neighborhood place. I love dives. My favorite club, that I've worked at for years, is a dive. There's plenty of money to be made, and usually a lot less pressure, and they take a lot less of your money.
Besides, dives are the types of clubs that can usually be found to attract working class clientelle. And unionized laborers are my fave. clintelle. They bring lots of $, very little bullshit.
And yeah, mine has a website too with photos of the club and many of the girls. Even though it's tiny and only has 3 girls dancing per shift.
It seems like a dive is exactly opposite to Dream Girls. Now I know why those who worked at dives were so vehemently opposed to Dream Girls; it was simply a culture shock for them.
On a separate note, I am not necessarily advocating a free tour. I am simply suggesting that management should provide a means through which PLs can assess the service provider (the club). If free tour is not feasible then website is also a good idea but keep in mind there are some girls who may look good in pictures but may not look good in person. So, I think free tour is still the most credible means to assess the service provider.
(My humble opinion. )
audrey_k
08-13-2009, 10:33 AM
It seems like a dive is exactly opposite to Dream Girls. Now I know why those who worked at dives were so vehemently opposed to Dream Girls; it was simply a culture shock for them.
On a separate note, I am not necessarily advocating a free tour. I am simply suggesting that management should provide a means through which PLs can assess the service provider (the club). If free tour is not feasible then website is also a good idea but keep in mind there are some girls who may look good in pictures but may not look good in person. So, I think free tour is still the most credible means to assess the service provider.
(My humble opinion. )
No Cyril, people were opposed to Dream Girls because it was just ridiculous.
JayATee
08-13-2009, 01:42 PM
It seems like a dive is exactly opposite to Dream Girls. Now I know why those who worked at dives were so vehemently opposed to Dream Girls; it was simply a culture shock for them.
On a separate note, I am not necessarily advocating a free tour. I am simply suggesting that management should provide a means through which PLs can assess the service provider (the club). If free tour is not feasible then website is also a good idea but keep in mind there are some girls who may look good in pictures but may not look good in person. So, I think free tour is still the most credible means to assess the service provider.
(My humble opinion. )
:rotfl: :rotfl:
You're not advocating a free tour you're just advocating a free tour.
FAIL.
gameover
08-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Maybe you don't understand the definition of a dive. It doesn't mean it's a bad club, or that it's dirty. It means it's not one of those fancy gentleman's clubs with all the amenities and a ton of money put into the ambiance. More of a small, low key, casual neighborhood place. I love dives. My favorite club, that I've worked at for years, is a dive. There's plenty of money to be made, and usually a lot less pressure, and they take a lot less of your money.
Besides, dives are the types of clubs that can usually be found to attract working class clientelle. And unionized laborers are my fave. clintelle. They bring lots of $, very little bullshit.
And yeah, mine has a website too with photos of the club and many of the girls. Even though it's tiny and only has 3 girls dancing per shift.
No actually, dive has a more negative connotation:
Slang A disreputable or run-down bar or nightclub.
Cyril
08-13-2009, 07:27 PM
:rotfl: :rotfl:
You're not advocating a free tour you're just advocating a free tour.
FAIL.
There is a big difference between those two sentences bolded by you. If you cannot tell that then that is truly regrettable.
xdamage
08-17-2009, 09:47 PM
... Now I know why those who worked at dives were so vehemently opposed to Dream Girls; it was simply a culture shock for them. ...
Well that or the monetary shock. Let's compare -
Income of a Dive : Let's say even a dive can make a measly $1000 a night of real (not imaginary!) money.
Income of a Dream Girls: Precisely $0 a night of real (not imaginary!) money.
Let's do the math two ways:
Way #1 - $0/$1000 = 0 - This is the ratio of money Dream Girls brings in as compared with a dive.
Way #2 - $1000/$0 = oops... approaching infinity... This is the ratio of real money even a dive makes as compared with Dream Girls.
I think it makes sense now.
JayATee
08-17-2009, 10:02 PM
I work in a dive bar, not bc I can't work in the upscale clubs in nyc but bc it is convenient for me to work at the club I am currently at. No other reason. I love my bar, I love the ppl I work with, I pay the house practically nothing and walk out with lots of cash. What more could you ask for?
Earl_the_Pearl
08-18-2009, 12:05 AM
What more could you ask for?
~~~:-X~~~
Elvia
08-18-2009, 02:46 AM
No actually, dive has a more negative connotation:
Slang A disreputable or run-down bar or nightclub.
In the industry,which is the context in which it was in, I really don't think so.
Elvia
08-18-2009, 02:50 AM
It seems like a dive is exactly opposite to Dream Girls. Now I know why those who worked at dives were so vehemently opposed to Dream Girls; it was simply a culture shock for them.
:rotfl:
You think just because we work in one type of club means we're completely oblivious to all other types of clubs? Most of us have experienced both dives and "upscale"clubs. We've simply made a decision to work in one or the other. It's not a matter of "culture shock."
bella du jour
08-19-2009, 01:01 AM
Strip clubs are not about customer satisfaction. They are about Getting Yer Dam Monies!!
The strip club owner doesn't care how you feel about the way he runs his business. He charges $20 at the door because if you want to see the hott nekkid ladies, you're gonna pay the $20. The strip club owner KNOWS that you don't have random nekkid hotties sitting around your basement waiting to entertain you for free. And if you're too cheap to pay $20, the strip club owner doesn't want you in his club to begin with.
Heck, no one does.
mediocrity
08-19-2009, 11:33 AM
I work in a dive bar, not bc I can't work in the upscale clubs in nyc but bc it is convenient for me to work at the club I am currently at. No other reason. I love my bar, I love the ppl I work with, I pay the house practically nothing and walk out with lots of cash. What more could you ask for?
Sounds like my club in Austin. I love that I have been too busy to internet.;D
bem401
08-19-2009, 11:42 AM
Sounds like my club in Austin. I love that I have been too busy to internet.;D
Yes, we've missed you in the chat room.
Evan86
08-19-2009, 06:19 PM
I am truly confounded by the reaction. Why is it unreasonable for a client to tour the facility before he invests his money? If a manager has problem with it then he is clearly not displaying a good faith.
INVESTING? Um...seriously? SERIOUSLY?????? An investment does not equal a measely (sp?) cover charge.
A manager has better things to do.
Rent some porn or something if you are so afraid to part with your money.
cricketbethany
04-07-2017, 02:04 PM
I am truly confounded by the reaction. Why is it unreasonable for a client to tour the facility before he invests his money? If a manager has problem with it then he is clearly not displaying a good faith.
You probably watch a lot of free porn on the internet
cricketbethany
04-07-2017, 02:16 PM
Many strip clubs have websites that offer photos of some of the dancers.
If men could just walk into strip clubs and get free looks, less women would be stripping. Probably most except the kind you are so afraid to see.
Bahuba
04-09-2017, 05:42 AM
Many strip clubs have websites that offer photos of some of the dancers.
If men could just walk into strip clubs and get free looks, less women would be stripping. Probably most except the kind you are so afraid to see.
I merely point out for information's sake that the person you are responding to has been banned for 8 years.