View Full Version : Do you like Dancers to 'Sell' you?
verfolgung
09-15-2009, 06:41 AM
^^^ Also, I would suggest you offer to either buy her a drink or just give her the money instead.
Donovan28
09-15-2009, 07:16 AM
On bourbon street, it happens all the time. Not as much in the summer, but that's been the case for as long as I've been dancing.
Honestly, I would quit dancing if it got to the point where I had to constantly "connect" with my customers. Most dudes have nothing to say that I haven't heard a million times, and the boredom can have me daydreaming about staring at cubicle walls.
OK, 2 things.
Bourbon Street makes me remember to check for Adam's apples on dancers...:O
and WOW you need a vacation! Most dudes have nothing to say? Maybe you have heard most of what they might say, but how do you make it fresh for yourself or challenge yourself?
There can't be much satisfaction if that's the attitude you walk in the door with, can there? /:O
Donovan28
09-15-2009, 07:17 AM
^^^ Also, I would suggest you offer to either buy her a drink or just give her the money instead.
That's what I do in "regular" bars.::)
Elvia
09-15-2009, 03:46 PM
You should budget enough money to buy 2 or 3 dancers a drink. That way if the first girl doesn't work out, you have enough to buy the next one a drink. It could cost you an extra $20 or so to find a girl you like, but isn't that better than finding no girl at all because they all think you're broke?
This is great advice. Customers who want to get more out of their club experience should sit down and take a look at their budget and what they plan to spend it on. Sometimes it's best to go a little less frequently, but spend a little more when you do. I think a lot of people would realize it improves their sc experience- sometimes it's worth it to sacrifice quantity for quality.
Also, one more point I'd like to make is that management at my club is always much more tolerant of me sitting with customers and chatting if I'm at least making a little money for the bar.
chris91
09-15-2009, 07:32 PM
and WOW you need a vacation! Most dudes have nothing to say? Maybe you have heard most of what they might say, but how do you make it fresh for yourself or challenge yourself?
There can't be much satisfaction if that's the attitude you walk in the door with, can there? /:O
Well, it's a job, so it doesn't have to be fresh and exciting. I figure I've had conversations with something like 15,000 people in clubs over the years. All in the same setting, with basically the same agenda. Not all, but most of them are just dull.
Of course, I'm pretty damn good at appearing interested when I'm not. The satisfaction comes when I get paid.
Elvia
09-15-2009, 07:42 PM
after a few years, you feel like you pretty much hear the same stuff over and over again.
Otoki
09-25-2009, 04:36 PM
^^^ Also, I would suggest you offer to either buy her a drink or just give her the money instead.
This. I don't drink at work, so I'd rather be tipped for my time than have someone buy me a water.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-27-2009, 03:07 PM
This. I don't drink at work, so I'd rather be tipped for my time than have someone buy me a water.
But what does management want you to do?
chris91
09-27-2009, 05:27 PM
But what does management want you to do?
hahahaha
Elvia
09-28-2009, 04:47 PM
^^^ Exactly. I'm not an employee, so I have to look out for my own interest. God knows the club isn't going to. I provide plenty of free entertainment for them anyways.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-28-2009, 06:31 PM
Exactly. I'm not an employee, so I have to look out for my own interest.
Can we talk here? Dancers may not be employees but they have quotas and rules imposed by management. I know of clubs that wave house fees if a dancer hustles a certain number of drinks. I know of other clubs that will fine dancers if they do not hustle a certain number of drinks.
Elvia
09-28-2009, 11:21 PM
And in that case, it's still looking out for our own interest.
chris91
09-29-2009, 01:01 AM
I know of clubs that wave house fees if a dancer hustles a certain number of drinks.
I've worked in clubs that did this, but they all had special expensive non-alcoholic drinks for girls that didn't want to drink or were under 21. also, it's equivalent to the club paying you to sell drinks, so it doesn't really count as a quota.
I know of other clubs that will fine dancers if they do not hustle a certain number of drinks.
I've never heard of this happening. If there are clubs that do this, I would never ever work there in a million years.
jack0177057
09-29-2009, 12:10 PM
after a few years, you feel like you pretty much hear the same stuff over and over again.
Is there a conversation that stands out and you actually enjoyed?
Earl_the_Pearl
09-29-2009, 02:55 PM
I've worked in clubs that did this, but they all had special expensive non-alcoholic drinks for girls that didn't want to drink or were under 21. also, it's equivalent to the club paying you to sell drinks, so it doesn't really count as a quota.
This all goes back to this.
I don't drink at work, so I'd rather be tipped for my time than have someone buy me a water.Thus my question about what management wants.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
09-29-2009, 03:21 PM
This all goes back to this.
Thus my question about what management wants.
So, if management requires something, then you do the bare minimum to keep them off your back. If they tell you that you should not turn down a drink, then let them buy you one and not drink it, or create an arrangement with waitresses/bartenders. Its all really easy.
The only time I've seen management get on a dancer's back for not selling drinks is when she only orders water from the waitress, and constantly specifies "tap water" at that. Then, the waitress gets pissed for missing out n a tip, and goes to management.
So, just do the bare minimum. Order bottled water, and occasionally a pseudo drink.
chris91
09-29-2009, 03:38 PM
This all goes back to this.
Thus my question about what management wants.
My point is that we don't care what management wants. Unless they're paying us, of course.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-29-2009, 05:08 PM
My point is that we don't care what management wants. Unless they're paying us, of course.
I can see one or two top earner dancers not caring what management wants but the rest do and they do what they are told.
I know I'm not a dancer but I know they come in when told; dance on stage when told and are fined or have other pressure put on them when they brake arbitrary rules.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
09-29-2009, 10:24 PM
I can see one or two top earner dancers not caring what management wants but the rest do and they do what they are told.
I know I'm not a dancer but I know they come in when told; dance on stage when told and are fined or have other pressure put on them when they brake arbitrary rules.
Some clubs are like that, many are not. And I've never met a single dancer who gives a flying shit about what management wants. Just like the dancer pretends to act interested in you, we also have to pretend to care about what management wants, so we can do our job and make money.
And it already been stated, a lot of rules imposed in an SC are illegal, but the strippers keep coming through the door because of the money. That doesn't make them care, it just makes them smart enough to do what they have to do in order not to get fired.
I can't believe you are even in disagreement here. Are you just trolling?
Elvia
09-29-2009, 10:29 PM
^^^Yes. Earl is always trying to get a rise out of dancers. That's why he's here.
I'm in the minority, in that I do actually care about the club I work in. But this club is exceptional in that it's owned by people who really respect the dancers and treat us well and look after us. I am happy to accept drinks to make money for the bar because I want this club to stick around. But, if a customer were to give me the choice between buying me a drink and giving me a tip, I'd have to take the tip.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-29-2009, 11:30 PM
That doesn't make them care, it just makes them smart enough to do what they have to do in order not to get fired.
I can't believe you are even in disagreement here. Are you just trolling?
I never said anything about caring.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-29-2009, 11:35 PM
Earl is always trying to get a rise out of dancers.
I tip her more when I do.
Elvia
09-30-2009, 12:46 AM
^^ what?
nevermind.
laurcon
10-01-2009, 12:38 AM
the poor dear gets an extra dollar when she takes the place of viagra. :-\
Earl_the_Pearl
10-01-2009, 02:40 AM
the poor dear gets an extra dollar when she takes the place of viagra. :-\
She could get many dollars; I was told by a dancer that I spent $750 one night in a Patterson club. I had no idea how much I spent or that they watched that close. That money went to many dancers because it was a slow night and I was surrounded by dancers all night. I wonder who kept count?
I do not lack for company in the clubs where I am known. :P
Golden_Rule
10-04-2009, 12:58 AM
^^^Yes. Earl is always trying to get a rise out of dancers. That's why he's here.
Whether Earl is actually trolling or not, in fairness it is my observation, and I think an objective one, that it is your general opinion that the above is why you think most of us are here.
Of course, I would add, that I also believe you to be wrong about that. At least I know you are wrong about that in my case. :)
wishing well...
callah44
10-04-2009, 08:13 PM
Ive never been a wanna dance kind of girl, but as Audrey said there are so many time wasters now that it simply isn't feasible to sit and chat with all of them.
Lately, selling a $100 vip at my club is like selling a Volvo. I keep $80 of that. I pay $130 each night to work before I tip valet, house mom, and my tipout of %20. If it is going to take me a considerable amount of time to pry the customer away from his money to go to VIP, I might as well knock out a few individual dances with less time and effort invested than take my chances with wasting time.
However, I always propose the idea of VIP if they seem like they are interested in dancing and open to the idea of chatting.
I realize this is not always the best option, and that I may very well be shooting myself in the foot as a result, but if I hear no 60-80% of the time (Im not saying I do), I am better off with sheer volume as opposed to investing my time in just a few different customers.
Elvia
10-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Whether Earl is actually trolling or not, in fairness it is my observation, and I think an objective one, that it is your general opinion that the above is why you think most of us are here.
Of course, I would add, that I also believe you to be wrong about that. At least I know you are wrong about that in my case. :)
wishing well...
*sigh*
I never called you a troll, and I don't think you are one. Though I would say, at the moment, your attempts to derail this thread and start something with me seemingly out of the blue is particularly trollish. No matter, I won't be taking the bait this time, Hon. I actually like most of the guys here- Verf, Yoda, Vmurphy, xdamage, almost jaded, and phil are some of my favorite contributors. I like Donovon a lot too, even though we disagree much of the time. Don't exaggerate the situation just because I don't think as highly of you.
Cyril and Earl are the only guys on this site that I would say are here with the intent of trolling.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-04-2009, 11:57 PM
Cyril and Earl are the only guys on this site that I would say are here with the intent of trolling.
I have no intention to troll; I do forget at times this site exists to tell dancers what they want to here even if it is not in accordance with the facts.
As for Cyril has anyone figured what he is up to?
Golden_Rule
10-05-2009, 06:40 PM
Don't exaggerate the situation just because I don't think as highly of you.
Fair enough.
Though, based only on your own words, I don't think you understand my actual POV half the time. I feel like I am saying "Blue" and you are responding to "Red". Which, of course, leave me saying to myself, "But I didn't say red?" :)
Sometimes any to given people can be like that. Oil and water. It doesn't make either of them bad folk. :)
wishing well... [and I wouldn't say that if I didn't mean it]