View Full Version : Dating a Jewish guy?
Cyril
08-11-2009, 06:48 PM
were you seeking conversion? Because traditionally, aspiring converts were turned away three times before they were considered for conversion, as a test to see how determined they were. It doesn't happen much these days but I've heard there are some rabbis that still believe in that system. Exactly how "modern" a "deviation" were you told this is?
Probably last hundred years or so.
Elvia
08-11-2009, 06:52 PM
Wow, no, definitely not the case.
Surely you're aware that there are even examples in the "old testament" of people converting to Judaism. ruth was a convert.
Elvia
08-11-2009, 06:53 PM
http://www.convertingtojudaism.com/Historical-Background.htm
Cyril
08-11-2009, 06:54 PM
Wow, no, definitely not the case.
Surely you're aware that there are even examples in the "old testament" of people converting to Judaism. ruth was a convert.
Interesting. Well that settles it then.
Lemonz
08-11-2009, 07:44 PM
http://www.convertingtojudaism.com/Historical-Background.htm
Interesting link!
Earl_the_Pearl
08-11-2009, 07:57 PM
This could be a sterotype of Jewish men. But do you have blonde hair? I have heard that many Jewish men like to date "shiksas" (blonde non-Jewish women) It is referred to as "Shiksa Syndrome" Just tossing that out there.
I have dark blonde hair, yes- but I don't think this is the case here. Although, a fair amount of people have brought it up when I've talked about my situation. I also had a Jewish guy go as far as to tell me that shiksas were just for practice and that I should move on...!
The first time I heard the word Shiksa was in reference to my blond ex-wife. That is what she was called by the ex-wife of the other party.
Shiksa, a Yiddish derivative of Hebrew for something unclean/dirty, describes my ex perfectly.
Lemonz
08-11-2009, 08:16 PM
^^ I'm sorry, but you have the most obnoxiousss signature...!
Earl_the_Pearl
08-11-2009, 08:30 PM
Interesting link!
"Abraham went forth as the Lord had commanded him. Abraham took his wife Sarai and his brother's son Lot ... and the persons that they had acquired in Haran". According to rabbinic interpretation, the "persons they had acquired" represented the first converts to Judaism and all converts, when they acquire their Hebrew name, are known as ben (son of) or bat (daughter of) Abraham."Bible in Basic English Genesis 12:5
And Abram took Sarai, his wife, and Lot, his brother's son, and all their goods and the servants which they had got in Haran, and they went out to go to the land of Canaan. "
I love the way they sugar coat the bible; the persons that they had acquired were slaves. Yes they are know as ben (son of) Abraham much like American slaves were known by the master's name like Jefferson.
Cyril
08-11-2009, 08:33 PM
"Bible in Basic English Genesis 12:5
And Abram took Sarai, his wife, and Lot, his brother's son, and all their goods and the servants which they had got in Haran, and they went out to go to the land of Canaan. "
I love the way they sugar coat the bible; the persons that they had acquired were slaves. Yes they are know as ben (son of) Abraham much like American slaves were known by the master's name like Jefferson.
You have a very good command on the Bible.
Elvia
08-11-2009, 09:04 PM
"Bible in Basic English Genesis 12:5
And Abram took Sarai, his wife, and Lot, his brother's son, and all their goods and the servants which they had got in Haran, and they went out to go to the land of Canaan. "
I love the way they sugar coat the bible; the persons that they had acquired were slaves. Yes they are know as ben (son of) Abraham much like American slaves were known by the master's name like Jefferson.
Actually, it's a little bit different. More like indentured servants.
JayATee
08-11-2009, 09:22 PM
You have a very good command on the Bible.
Yeah it's called cut and paste. They really are making remarkable advances with computers these days....
Cyril
08-11-2009, 09:33 PM
Yeah it's called cut and paste. They really are making remarkable advances with computers these days....
You always grab the wrong end of the tail. The ingenuity lies not in "copy and paste" but in knowing the information enough to be able to pull it from the knowledge base.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-11-2009, 09:51 PM
Actually, it's a little bit different. More like indentured servants.
These people were gowy so they were slaves for life.
Leviticus 25:44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have--you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you.
Leviticus 25:46 You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves.
Deuteronomy 15:12 If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-12-2009, 10:56 AM
You have a very good command on the Bible.
Yeah it's called cut and paste. They really are making remarkable advances with computers these days....
I'll have you know I'm an ordained minister.
verfolgung
08-12-2009, 11:26 AM
I'll have you know I'm an ordained minister.
This statement alone is not that impressive. It only takes about 10 minutes to become an ordained minister online.
In what "church" are you ordained?
JayATee
08-12-2009, 11:29 AM
I'll have you know I'm an ordained minister.
LoL, with a SC fetish....
Earl_the_Pearl
08-12-2009, 04:50 PM
This statement alone is not that impressive. It only takes about 10 minutes to become an ordained minister online.
In what "church" are you ordained?
Universal Life Church.
http://blog.themonastery.org/uploaded_images/Tiled-ULC-754910.jpg
Elvia
08-12-2009, 04:54 PM
^^^yeah...that's kinda what we thought. very not impressive.
What does this threadjack of yours have to do with dating a Jewish man, anyway?
Earl_the_Pearl
08-12-2009, 04:55 PM
LoL, with a SC fetish....
Colossians 1:16 (New International Version)
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-12-2009, 05:05 PM
^^^yeah...that's kinda what we thought. very not impressive.
What does this threadjack of yours have to do with dating a Jewish man, anyway?
I was not the first one to introduce Jewish law and custom into the thread; I'm just correcting the misinformation.
jack0177057
08-12-2009, 06:14 PM
Colossians 1:16 (New International Version)
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
God created women... Dancers are women... So by worshiping dancers, we are worshipping God's creation...? I buy that...
Also... "Love the sinner, hate the sin."... I love sinners... Sometimes, I hate the sin, afterwards...
verfolgung
08-12-2009, 06:14 PM
http://www.themonastery.org/images/interface/design_01_01.jpghttp://www.themonastery.org/images/interface/design_01_02.jpg
http://www.themonastery.org/?destination=ordination
Not nearly as many served a McDonalds, but they're on their way! :P
verfolgung
08-12-2009, 06:19 PM
God created women... Dancers are women... So by worshiping dancers, we are worshipping God's creation...? I buy that...
Is this from the same flow chart that proved Transformers are a gift from God? Heh. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsg1j2Qtkdw
Elvia
08-12-2009, 06:41 PM
"Bible in Basic English Genesis 12:5
And Abram took Sarai, his wife, and Lot, his brother's son, and all their goods and the servants which they had got in Haran, and they went out to go to the land of Canaan. "
I love the way they sugar coat the bible; the persons that they had acquired were slaves. Yes they are know as ben (son of) Abraham much like American slaves were known by the master's name like Jefferson.
We were discussing customs and practices as they relate to the OP's situation. What does a bible quote about ancient slave practices have to do with that? Nothing. Just another attempt to try to stir up controversy?
Gia2608
08-12-2009, 06:48 PM
You people are all fucking crazy.
Cyril
08-12-2009, 07:36 PM
I'll have you know I'm an ordained minister.
Get out of here! Are you serious? Are you a practicing priest?
verfolgung
08-12-2009, 07:51 PM
I'll have you know I'm an ordained minister.Get out of here! Are you serious? Are you a practicing priest?
Earl, you might as well tell him your the second coming of Christ. As a devout deciple of yours, Cyril is likely to believe it. ::)
Cyril
08-12-2009, 07:57 PM
Earl, you might as well tell him your the second coming of Christ. As a devout deciple of yours, Cyril is likely to believe it. ::)
I will definitely break the bread with him. He is a nice person.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-12-2009, 09:26 PM
We were discussing customs and practices as they relate to the OP's situation. What does a bible quote about ancient slave practices have to do with that? Nothing. Just another attempt to try to stir up controversy?
I was just explaining what the Torah teaches about the link you posted.
Now the Bible teaches;
and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
John 8:32 (New American Standard Bible)
That is spiritual freedom not actual freedom for gowy slaves.
Cyril
08-12-2009, 09:39 PM
For those who wish to learn more about Torah:
jack0177057
08-13-2009, 10:51 AM
What I want to know is whether Charlotte,... um, I mean Lemonz,... is going to become a Jew...
Earl_the_Pearl
08-13-2009, 12:40 PM
What I want to know is whether Charlotte,... um, I mean Lemonz,... is going to become a Jew...
Being a Jew is more than a religion; it is also a people. One can become a borne again Christian in five minutes. Unless one is borne a Seminole one cannot become a Seminole and open a casino not matter what one does.
My blond haired blue eyed ex would be considered a Shiksa by her husbands ex even if she converted to Orthodox Judaism. Her totally non religious husband is still a Jew.
jack0177057
08-13-2009, 07:07 PM
Being a Jew is more than a religion; it is also a people. One can become a borne again Christian in five minutes. Unless one is borne a Seminole one cannot become a Seminole and open a casino not matter what one does.
"Jew" can be the Jewish faith or the Jewish culture/race (i.e., being a member of the historical Jewish culture of people that were persecuted by the Nazis). As far as the Jewish faith, which is the concern here (the rearing of children), I think anyone can become Jewish. You can even learn and embrace the tradition and culture of the Jewish people. But obviously, a convert will never be a "Jew" in the historical sense.
Cyril
08-13-2009, 07:15 PM
Being a Jew is more than a religion; it is also a people. One can become a borne again Christian in five minutes. Unless one is borne a Seminole one cannot become a Seminole and open a casino not matter what one does.
My blond haired blue eyed ex would be considered a Shiksa by her husbands ex even if she converted to Orthodox Judaism. Her totally non religious husband is still a Jew.
That is the point I was trying to make about conversion to Judaism. There are lots of religion where they distinguish between converts and ones who were born into that religion.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-13-2009, 09:55 PM
That is the point I was trying to make about conversion to Judaism. There are lots of religion where they distinguish between converts and ones who were born into that religion.
I don't know if the OP's SO is concerned about religion, ethnicity, neither or both.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-13-2009, 10:00 PM
As far as the Jewish faith, which is the concern here (the rearing of children), I think anyone can become Jewish.
Even the OP is not sure what the concern is. I would bet a dollar to a donut if the OP were ethnically a Jew and not religiously a Jew there would not be a problem.
Cyril
08-14-2009, 02:09 AM
Even the OP is not sure what the concern is. I would bet a dollar to a donut if the OP were ethnically a Jew and not religiously a Jew there would not be a problem.
You have summarized the situation beautifully.
JayATee
08-14-2009, 02:12 AM
Being a Jew is more than a religion; it is also a people. One can become a borne again Christian in five minutes. Unless one is borne a Seminole one cannot become a Seminole and open a casino not matter what one does.
My blond haired blue eyed ex would be considered a Shiksa by her husbands ex even if she converted to Orthodox Judaism. Her totally non religious husband is still a Jew.
And this has to do with what exactly?
Earl_the_Pearl
08-14-2009, 10:25 AM
And this has to do with what exactly?
The OPs conundrum.
xdamage
08-14-2009, 01:55 PM
FWIW my Dad is Jewish, my Mom not. It was a point of tension though it wasn't until later in my life when I finally was old enough to see how she was subtly treated like an outsider for it. The OP may not care but if you are sensitive to subtle negativity his family may treat you like a partial outsider (even if they are not fully aware of doing so).
Also my Mom was just not comfortable with all the religious practices and traditions. My Dad put it aside for her sake, but later in life after they divorced the first thing he did was begin practicing again. Even later still he became an atheist but still follows the traditions that were such an integral part of his childhood. So yea... it is a bit deeper then then just becoming a born again Christian in 5 minutes. For someone born a Jew and raised as one, being a Jew is an integral part of who they are.
Earl_the_Pearl
08-14-2009, 02:12 PM
FWIW my Dad is Jewish, my Mom not. It was a point of tension though it wasn't until later in my life when I finally was old enough to see how she was subtly treated like an outsider for it.
Did they use her as a "Shabbat goyah"?
xdamage
08-14-2009, 05:40 PM
Did they use her as a "Shabbat goyah"?
Uhm, no.
jack0177057
08-14-2009, 07:37 PM
Even the OP is not sure what the concern is. I would bet a dollar to a donut if the OP were ethnically a Jew and not religiously a Jew there would not be a problem.
The guy is dating a non-Jew dancer, so I don't think he is a strict uber-conservative Jew. I'm guessing he is like the Jew in Sex and the City. (Yes, I watched SATC... A girl got me hooked on it.) He is a liberal Jew, but needs the approval of his extended family regarding his choice in marriage... His mother would prefer an ethnic and faith Jew, but will settle with a Jewish convert... A Jewish convert is probably not the ideal situation, but it is the minimum that will win mom's approval...
jack0177057
08-14-2009, 07:42 PM
FWIW my Dad is Jewish, my Mom not. It was a point of tension though it wasn't until later in my life when I finally was old enough to see how she was subtly treated like an outsider for it. The OP may not care but if you are sensitive to subtle negativity his family may treat you like a partial outsider (even if they are not fully aware of doing so).
But, if your mother had converted to Judaism, learned and embraced all the Jewish traditions, and showed a keen interest and appreciation for the Jewish heritage, would she had been better received by your dad's family? I believe the answer is probably yes.
xdamage
08-14-2009, 07:55 PM
But, if your mother had converted to Judaism, learned and embraced all the Jewish traditions, and showed a keen interest and appreciation for the Jewish heritage, would she had been better received by your dad's family? I believe the answer is probably yes.
Sure, but it goes both ways. Had they taken a great interest in her protestant heritage she might have been better received too. Deadlock since neither group of people wants to budge. In the end I think all you can say to the OP is that it's pretty key part of some people's lives, their religion, and can make for a key dividing point to if nobody can compromise.
Gia2608
08-14-2009, 08:00 PM
Another out of control thread, This doesn't help the OP at all. They have been dating 4 months. Seriously, you guys... 4 months
Elvia
08-15-2009, 02:59 AM
"Jew" can be the Jewish faith or the Jewish culture/race (i.e., being a member of the historical Jewish culture of people that were persecuted by the Nazis). As far as the Jewish faith, which is the concern here (the rearing of children), I think anyone can become Jewish. You can even learn and embrace the tradition and culture of the Jewish people. But obviously, a convert will never be a "Jew" in the historical sense.
Actually, Judaism is very clear on this- there is no one who is more or less Jewish than anyone else. Once you've converted, you're as Jewish as anyone else. Family backround doesn't come into play. Having Jewish ancestry doesn't make you more of a Jew than a convert.
Why are all these non-Jews preaching about Judaism?
Lemonz
08-15-2009, 10:41 AM
I finally had the conversation about all I was feeling with the guy in question. Like Gia said- we've only been seeing each other four months. He said he hasn't really thought much about it, but that it's why he thinks he's so back and forth with me sometimes and doesn't know exactly know what direction he wants our relationship to go. His ex wife is Jewish, and it has always been important for him to marry someone with a similar background and traditions. His family is conservative, but a few women in his family have converted and married in without issue. He said he's kind of more Reform- Humanistic lately. He seemed to find it odd that people distinguished between being a Jew by blood and by faith. Although he said it's something he really did have to think about, he was pretty much of the mindset that love conquers all and that it really shouldn't matter. So, whether he truly thinks that or not remains to be seen. It feels so much better to have talked about it, though. Oh, and he invited me to his cousin's wedding- that'll be the first time I meet his family (other than his brother and his wife), and also the first Jewish wedding I've ever been to.
JayATee
08-15-2009, 03:42 PM
I am glad this thread was started because I am not Jewish but I am attracted to Jewish men.
Why are you attracted to jewish men more then non-jewish men?
Cyril
08-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Why are you attracted to jewish men more then non-jewish men?
:) :) :)