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nychaos99
12-15-2009, 10:41 AM
Girl, lemme tell you, I started giving massages and got YELLED at for taking money away from the massage girl! Some clubs let you but not all. >:(
To play the devil's advocate, how would you feel if a massage girl gave your customer a lap dance?
Gentlemen's clubs are not filled with people solely for strippers-only. I know plenty of customers that come in for a specific waitress, bartender, host, and yes, even managers (we have a female manager at my club). So the club world doesn't revolve around lap dances. Sorry.
Times are tough now and the claws are out- and if a customer wants to hang out with a massage girl then so be it. Get over it and move on.
Now, if she sits her ass down cock blocking your customer, that's a different story. But as long as the customer is sitting there NOT getting a dance, they are free game for the waitresses, shot girls, and massage girls.
The best thing you all can do is to work together instead of fighting each other off. The customers pick up on that- they may be drunk, but they aren't stupid. I hear stories all the time about what happened then night before, and more than a few customers have complained that girls were bickering, and bitchy. Total turn off.
Can't we just all get along? :P
Athenathefabulous
12-15-2009, 02:23 PM
^^I feel like a massage girl can work at a massage parlor or be a massage therapist or something. A stripper has to work in a strip club if she wants to strip so it is different. Customers dont primarily come into the club for the masseus, they come for the sexy naked women. If the club had no dancers and just the hot massage girls, most customers wouldnt come in.
We are the naked entertainers. Sitting with customers is part of entertaining. If a massage girl wants to make a quick sale that is one thing, but sittng and talking to customers for extended periods of time is different. They are supposed to be paying for time in VIP to be talking to us! Not supposed to be gettng free long conversation from the massage girls!
I worked at a place with a cutthroat massage girl once. At least once a night if we were both working she would come up and chat up the customer that I was talking to.
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Sophia_Starina
12-15-2009, 02:51 PM
I have never met a massage girl that is licensed to give massages. Usually they are random cute girls that run around with bottles of lotion, ex-dancers, or chicks that can't work as dancers for what ever reason. Absolutely 0% of the massage girls I have encountered mentioned going to massage school, having prior experience in massage, or any sort of certification process required by the state or the club (club? yeah right like that would ever happen). Seriously the massage girls at my club have no certification whatsoever. Under NY law that is considered a felony.
http://www.newyorkcriminalattorneyblog.com/2008/04/new_york_prostitution_and_mass.html
Next time a massage girl gets uppity, call the cops on her. Hahahahaha! :rotfl:
I'm kidding, I'm kidding....
The best thing you all can do is to work together instead of fighting each other off.
Can't we just all get along?
Nychaos.... I'm fine with massage chicks. I love it when custies buy *me* massages. Heck... if I could get massages all night and get paid I would never dance again.
But I wonder how clubs can sanction illegal doings within their four walls. Aren't clubs worried about permitting and promoting unlicensed masseuses? For fuck's sake, prostitution is considered a misdemeanor!!! I would be waaaayyyy more worried about broads garnering felony charges. How does your club deal with it?
nychaos99
12-16-2009, 11:28 AM
Sophia, I TOTALLY agree with you. The massage therapists I am thinking of, are licensed. And I totally agree that the un-licensed ones should be thrown out. BUT, it's the CLUBS that allow all of this to happen. So I blame ownership.
It is not the massage/shot girls' fault that they sit with the men and hang out. THE CLUB allows this to happen. Therefore, if you (an entertainer) don't like it, you are allowed to shop around to other clubs that you feel promotes a work ethic that clicks. So what I'm getting at, is that if the club allows it, then it's just part of the package. If you don't like it, go to another club.
Totally sucks, I suppose- but that goes the same with all bullshit in the club. If housefees are too high, you must deal with it to work at THAT particular club. If you don't like it, leave. It is what it is. Our industry is all wacky, that's for sure.
Athenathefabulous, I agree with you as well- to some extent. The main difference with the massage girls is that they also pay a house fee to work. I know at Sapphires (in NYC), they pay the SAME house fee as an entertainer. So why shouldn't the massage girls have the same opportunity to make money? Why should they make any less? Just because you are taking off your clothes? If a clothed girl is making more than a half-naked one, well- there is something wrong with the sale.
And a lot of times, a customer goes into a club and doesn't want to be hassled by a stripper- because as we all know, when a girl sits with you, she wants $$$ for her time. The customer knows a massage girl is not looking for the same handout as a stripper. So he's more comfortable. Again, it's the CLUB'S stupid fault for starting these rules in the first place and allowing it to happen. And it's the greedy entertainers faults (you know, the ones who take the customer to the cleaners) that make the customers wary in the first place.
It's a vicious cycle.
How's this for bullshit: At Penthouse, the entertainers get $600 an hour to go into private rooms. Sometimes, a customer wants a particular waitress or massage girl to come into the room. NOW, the waitress/massage girl only gets $400 an hour ($200-per hour- goes to the house). The reason for this, is to deter these particular girls from going in the rooms. OBVIOUSLY, it's the entertainer's job, and right, to go to rooms. There are so many things wrong with this on so many levels. For one: How is it fair that the waitresses get to go into rooms at all? It is NOT their job, they don't pay a house fee. They don't work 'per song', and they don't tip out. Massage girls, however, work on the same premise as the strippers- they pay a house fee, they tip out (some of them), and they work on a per-song basis. So if they are allowed to go into the rooms, why make them pay out $200 out of their earnings PLUS pay the house fee? Why allow these girls to go into the rooms at all? >:(
Sophia_Starina
12-16-2009, 12:18 PM
For one: How is it fair that the waitresses get to go into rooms at all? It is NOT their job, they don't pay a house fee. They don't work 'per song', and they don't tip out. >:(
Just to play devil's advocate I would venture a guess that it keeps custies happy. If Mr. BigSpender wants a waitress in the room... gosh-darnit he will have his waitress. As my manager wisely stated: "When a guest wants to spend his money... let him spend it." I think the club is just providing more oportunities for custies to spend. But also... they are happy because they get what the want and, theoretically, will come back and spend more. Who knows...
But in truth there is no love lost between waitresses and myself. Where as massage girls do pay a house fee and seem to do something for that $20... waitresses stand around gossiping, in their own little world, make the EPIC trek across the club and expect a cash tip ASAP. Don't even get me started on the AUTOMATIC 20% tip for bottle service in VIP that goes to the waitress for nothing more than bringing the glassware from the bar and (wonder of wonders!) popping a fucking cork.
Oh and the waitresses also give out free lectures to dancers on how it is our job to sell bottles, not theirs... how we are supposed to prep the customer to purchase a bottle before the waitress comes by the VIP. How we should whine and pout if a customer refuses bottle service. How it is important that we insist that the customer "take care" of the waitress... even though a 20% tip is already included in the fucking bill.... etc etc.
But I am going off topic... for more waitress-related banter check out a short excerpt from an older thread...
.... if you are a waitress you shouldn't be sitting with a customer. If you're sitting with him, a dancer can't come up and try to sell dances, rooms etc. That creates more competition, spreads the customer base way thin, and annoys the be-jeezus out of strippers.
A waitresses job is to sell and bring drinks. If a guy wants company at a strip club he can spend some dough and compensate a gal who is there to sell company.... i.e. a dancer.
Both positions have their perks and downfalls. I think that when management blurs the lines between two distinct jobs, they create a mess.
http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=108218
Athenathefabulous
12-16-2009, 02:59 PM
yea i agree with the waitress thing too. Man, if the girls want to get paid hundreds an hr for a vip room, they should get naked and put up with the bullshit we do. Just the same as if i wanted a wage etc, then i would be a waitress.
i understand keeping a customer happy maybe. But its dependent. Are the waitresses allowed to hustle vip rooms for htemselves? Or does the customer have to specifically request it from the club. I can see it being a bit acceptable if they request it from the club, but if the waitress is hustling them for herself then that is even more competition for the dancers.
And i hate waitresses who demand stupid tips like that. Fuck that, you get your tip... unless you help me make a sale then i am hustling tips for myself, not for your clothed ass!
I think it is best when waitresses are not allowed to sit down with the customers. I think maybe the massage girls should have a limit to how long they can chat up a customer without making a sale. That could keep everyone happy.
laurcon
12-16-2009, 04:19 PM
thank god we don't have shot girls to contend with too! the massage girls chatting only really bothers me on a slow night when we have limited customers and the dumb bitch isn't hustling him for shit. if she's making money off him than i don't really care, but only when potential is wasted. the shot girls at scores killed me, and the crappy shots were $20 each, as much as a dance. so why would i have a dude buy two nasty shots for us for $40 when he could get two patrons, be more fucked up, and spend less.
and i mean him be fucked up, when a dude wants to get patron i get water and just pretend like it was nasty and i'm so drunk now! }:D
laurcon
12-16-2009, 04:24 PM
As my manager wisely stated: "When a guest wants to spend his money... let him spend it."
hahaha! i've heard this on occasion too. sometimes i'm like trying to be too nice.
its like that whole thread GR had about how its wrong not to tell the guy how much money he's spent or whatev, like that's literally not our job and we can totally offend the customer and get in trouble with management!
but yes, i've seen a bartender go in a room because a customer wanted it. and generally no, the waitresses do not hustle VIP rooms, they don't really even flirt with the customers.
nychaos99
12-18-2009, 11:10 AM
Just to play devil's advocate I would venture a guess that it keeps custies happy. If Mr. BigSpender wants a waitress in the room... gosh-darnit he will have his waitress. As my manager wisely stated: "When a guest wants to spend his money... let him spend it." I think the club is just providing more oportunities for custies to spend. But also... they are happy because they get what the want and, theoretically, will come back and spend more. Who knows...
I hear ya on this. I have heard this once or twice as well, but where is the line drawn? At the expense of MANY staff members upset about the situation? The poor baby customer needs to choose from the OTHER 40-100 women in the club to go into the rooms. BUT NOOOOOO.....the customer always wants what they can't have, so they go for the waitress. Annoying to me. Then, the waitresses left on the floor still have to share their tips with the waitress in the private room, even though they are left picking up her tables and working harder. BS.
But in truth there is no love lost between waitresses and myself. Where as massage girls do pay a house fee and seem to do something for that $20... waitresses stand around gossiping, in their own little world, make the EPIC trek across the club and expect a cash tip ASAP. Don't even get me started on the AUTOMATIC 20% tip for bottle service in VIP that goes to the waitress for nothing more than bringing the glassware from the bar and (wonder of wonders!) popping a fucking cork.
You said it sister. And by the way, the waitressese RARELY bring all this stuff out, it's the bar backs doing the work. I think the automatic tip is ridiculous- and if I were a customer I would be PISSED. What if I weren't happy with the service?
Oh and the waitresses also give out free lectures to dancers on how it is our job to sell bottles, not theirs... how we are supposed to prep the customer to purchase a bottle before the waitress comes by the VIP. How we should whine and pout if a customer refuses bottle service. How it is important that we insist that the customer "take care" of the waitress... even though a 20% tip is already included in the fucking bill.... etc etc.
I can tell, we are BOTH on the same page with these issues. Waitresses sell the bottles, dancers should help- but then waitresses should put in the extra effort to help the dancers as well. ;)
It all comes down to a bad mix of greed and laziness. Ugh.
luvs2dance
12-19-2009, 08:14 AM
Does anyone know anything about Cheetahs NY? My friend told me they dont have house fees...is this true?Anyone know what the money/management etc is like?
sashakitty
12-21-2009, 02:10 AM
Ahhh. Is anyone else HORRIFIED by the business this time of year in NYC? I was making more in September. Maybe its just my club?
Sophia_Starina
12-21-2009, 04:11 AM
Does anyone know anything about Cheetahs NY? My friend told me they dont have house fees...is this true?Anyone know what the money/management etc is like?
Cheetah was raided recently by NYC Vice. Not the best of times for them.....
Sophia_Starina
12-21-2009, 04:30 AM
Ahhh. Is anyone else HORRIFIED by the business this time of year in NYC? I was making more in September. Maybe its just my club?
I'm horrified. I was making more as a dopey-ass 'baby-strippah' in N-to-the-J!!!!
Now I'm hot, smart, and........ broke as a joke! WTF! Oh wait I know....
Blame it on the E-E-E-E-Econ-omy!
NYC is a No-Go this time.... maybe next year. :(
laurcon
12-21-2009, 02:15 PM
^ really i thought this month was pretty good? i've saved a lot and was able to buy nice christmas presents. it definitely wasn't as money as 2yrs ago, but was def better than december last year. i guess i just got lucky with some good customers.
veieve
12-22-2009, 09:23 AM
what clubs are you two at, respectively? looking into working somewhere in the city the first week of jan- haven't for over a year. Thoughts? Also, I don't want to wait a week to be put on the sched...
Optimist
12-22-2009, 01:27 PM
To play the devil's advocate, how would you feel if a massage girl gave your customer a lap dance?
Gentlemen's clubs are not filled with people solely for strippers-only. I know plenty of customers that come in for a specific waitress, bartender, host, and yes, even managers (we have a female manager at my club). So the club world doesn't revolve around lap dances. Sorry.
Times are tough now and the claws are out- and if a customer wants to hang out with a massage girl then so be it. Get over it and move on.
Yeaaaah, I think you've read hostility into my response that simply isn't there. I don't need to get over a damn thing. And I'm don't think the world "revolves" around dancers or dances but last that I saw this isn't Massage Web so I don't know what about my post was so shocking or offensive. You can't say get over it in one reply to me and say the club is doing the wrong thing in your reply to SophiaStarina. Make up your mind. :O
Vyanka
12-25-2009, 12:40 AM
To play the devil's advocate, how would you feel if a massage girl gave your customer a lap dance?
Gentlemen's clubs are not filled with people solely for strippers-only. I know plenty of customers that come in for a specific waitress, bartender, host, and yes, even managers (we have a female manager at my club). So the club world doesn't revolve around lap dances. Sorry.
Times are tough now and the claws are out- and if a customer wants to hang out with a massage girl then so be it. Get over it and move on.
Now, if she sits her ass down cock blocking your customer, that's a different story. But as long as the customer is sitting there NOT getting a dance, they are free game for the waitresses, shot girls, and massage girls.
The best thing you all can do is to work together instead of fighting each other off. The customers pick up on that- they may be drunk, but they aren't stupid. I hear stories all the time about what happened then night before, and more than a few customers have complained that girls were bickering, and bitchy. Total turn off.
Can't we just all get along? :P
The massage girls in my club act like strippers, that's the problem. Even my manager says, "they should just throw on some heels". As soon as customers walk in, they sit on op of them so none of us can talk to them. And if a dancer dares to try to go up to them to sell them a dance, they give us the look of death. It's these 2 chics in particular, they've got some ovaries of steel. It's very fkn annoying. I'm not hating on them & I have no problem with a customer of mine buy massages...hell, sometimes when i'm feeling nice i'll help them sell the massage. I'm well aware that a customer can spend his money on who ever & what ever he wants...but these bitches don't let us do our job bc they are mega cock blocks to the strippers.
I'll never bicker & bitch to a customer either, ever... that's what my manager is there for. LOL.
Sophia_Starina
01-06-2010, 02:52 AM
looking into working somewhere in the city the first week of jan- haven't for over a year. Thoughts? Also, I don't want to wait a week to be put on the sched...
I sooooooo hope you aren't in NYC right now. :-\
It has been so BAD these past few days. Bad isn't even the appropriate adjective to describe it. I would say terrible, atrocious, downright despicable!!! And even that is only glimpsing the tip of the iceberg.
Last year at least, when folks were freaking out over the status of the economy, and custies in my club were complaining about having been "Madoff-ed", I could at the very least rely on making my house fee & tip-out. Not so in 2010!
The posters in the dressing room don't lie. Bring house-fee with you or face the consequences. Managers are threatening dancers with termination if they don't pay the house... regardless of whether (OR NOT!) they made a penny from the shitty cheap-ass custies that are trawling for dates outside the club. Those jerks aren't even buying drinks!!!! Girls are flipping out because they can't afford new thongs. Broads are borrowing money left and right to avoid getting fired... What the FUCK is going on????
What ever it is, is a damn shame.... So yeah NYC is a Mega-Fail. :-X
Melonie
01-07-2010, 02:48 PM
^^^ three things are going on. The first is that the ultra high house fee but keep the majority of private dance / VIP money business model - which provides dancers with maximum income potential when times are good - also provides dancers with the potential of actually 'losing money' when times are bad. And unlike the occasional 'understanding' neighborhood clubowner who might consider waiving / reducing house fees when times are bad, the 'corporate' clubowners demand cash on the barrelhead from dancers for house fee regardless of whether there is a reasonable chance that an average dancer can earn back the cost of the house fee.
This introduces a very real risk that an average dancer ( or a dancer who is not willing to accomodate the 'extra' expectations of club customers ) can wind up spending money out of her own pocket in order to be allowed to work !!! From the 'corporate' club's standpoint, what matters is maintaining sufficient club earnings to keep making mortgage payments, keep paying utility bills etc. If this means firing dancers who are unable to earn sufficient money to cover the club's high house fee and hiring new dancers who may also be unable to earn sufficient money to cover their own high house fees in order to maintain cash flow, it's no 'skin off the clubowner's ass' as long as 'replacement' dancers are willing to pay high house fees while losing money for the first couple of weeks until they figure out that they have entered a 'no win' situation. ( this is a variant of the 'Greater Fool' theory !)
The second thing that is going on is Obama and the mainstream media raising a hue and cry about huge Wall St / Corporate bonuses. In response, lots of companies have decided to forego cash bonus payments this year in favor of 'giving' employees stock shares, stock options etc. instead of cash. This means that the news media is now unable to latch onto stories of TARP bankers or stockbrokers receiving $100,000+ bonuses. Unfortunately, this also means that the 'Christmas Whales' of years past have no extra cash in their pockets this year. In practical terms, it also means that the bosses / wives of the former 'Christmas Whales' are keeping enough of an eye on the corporate stock / family finances that there is no way that stock shares or stock options can be anonymously cashed in and 'blown' at a strip club.
The third thing that is going on is a wholesale increase in customer expectations for 'extras'. Remaining club customers with lots of cash know that they are a 'rare commodity' these days. They also know that dancers are 'hurting' financially speaking. Thus this is the perfect time for such customers to start demanding 'extras' / OTC / special attention ... and working their way through a number of dancers if necessary in order to find what they are looking for !
Actually there is a fourth thing going on as well. For anybody who earns over $90k a year, SSI and medicare taxes are again hitting their paychecks ( with a possibility that the $90k limit is going to be removed as part of a new national health care law ). Similar story with increased state and local income tax rates now shrinking their paychecks via increased withholding. Similar story with increased property tax bills increasing their monthly mortgage payment ( tax escrow ). Similar story with increased Northeast 10 state consortium carbon 'taxes' increasing fuel / electric bills. Put simply, the lagging consequences of last year's gov't budget deficit spending / tax increases are now 'coming home to roost' for NY / NJ residents.
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Miss_McKenna
01-31-2010, 11:58 PM
I'm moving to NYC soon... not for dancing but for other reasons, although I wil be hoping to find a spot at a club somewhere. It sounds a depressing place to be dancing right now!!!
This is a little off-track although still related to New York. I was wondering if any of you ladies living in the city right now could offer any info in terms of apartment and 'regular' job hunting there. I posted about it in The Lounge (Moving to/Living in NYC) but I feel like you guys might have some good advice being that this thread is full of New Yorkers! :)
I'd really appreciate any and all 'insider' local info as I'll be coming up there in a few weeks to get some things done there face-to-face. Even without any info, feel free to pm me if you just wanna grab a drink with a newbie to the city! ;D
rusdancer
02-02-2010, 09:34 AM
All this sounds frightening!No one could have guessed this happenning in NYC clubs a few years ago!Wow!I haven't been around NYC clubs in a while,and was thinking about checking how they are now,but getting discouraged.
Has anyone been at/worked at Stilletto or Lace in the Nyacks lately?
Love Technician
03-02-2010, 10:02 PM
Can anyone update some info on NYC clubs? I'm an entertainer from Canada who would like to travel to NYC to check out Scores, Penthouse, or any other upscale clubs. What kind of money can a girl expect to pull out at the end of the night after tip-outs, etc? I am a tall, busty brunette with an exotic look and have also done modeling. Any info on these clubs would be appreciated before I take the plunge and book my trip!
Thx!
precise212
07-07-2010, 07:35 PM
To bear arms and bare breasts
Last Updated: 1:29 AM, July 7, 2010
Posted: 12:49 AM, July 7, 2010
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They say only a fool represents himself, but don't tell VIP strip club owner Sam Zherka. Savoring a good fight, Zherka has drafted and will file a complaint today in Westchester Supreme Court claiming his Second Amendment right to bear arms has been violated by gun-control laws. Zherka's suit states: "Because I am a landlord who collects millions of dollars in rent a year and have been robbed, it is my God-given and constitutionally guaranteed right to protect myself and my family. I have eight children, including infant quadruplets, at home and am not going to put them at risk." Litigious Zherka is also leading the battle against the proposed city law that would close 21 mammary meccas, including his upscale VIP club in Chelsea. He's been trying to organize a City Hall protest rally of hundreds of topless dancers, but says, "It's been a nightmare. Each girl has her own agenda."
JEFF DAY
Sam Zherka
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/bear_arms_and_bare_breasts_KRbOPWVzA0lBAYpYVolbcP? offset=8#comments#ixzz0t3Q7N2GX
precise212
10-16-2010, 10:25 AM
Thanks Precise212 for this valueable information Yes Sara Connor who used to work at VIP Club who is a pimp & drug pusher/dealer and she's definately the person in those photographs because that nose doesn't lie and yes that's Sammy Z soon to be behind bars for some deadly crimes...
I can't believe a "questionable ethics" VIP Club owner just got 8 mil in judgement! Only in NY, kids, only in NY...
NY paper wins suit against Yonkers mayor
(AP) – 2 days ago
NEW YORK — A federal jury has awarded a newspaper in the suburbs north of New York City $8 million in its lawsuit against the mayor of Yonkers, who the paper claims wrongly confiscated copies after it ran articles critical of him.
The jury on Wednesday also found that The Westchester Guardian did not defame Mayor Philip Amicone when it reported on the eve of the 2007 mayoral election that he visited strip clubs.
Amicone's spokesman, David Simpson, tells The Journal News the mayor is disappointed with the verdict. He says Amicone has never been to a strip club.
The club is owned by the weekly paper's publisher, Sam Zherka.
The lawsuit said news racks and copies of the paper were illegally seized by city employees.
The paper hailed the verdict as a victory for First Amendment rights.
Information from: The Journal News, http://www.lohud.com
Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
New York: Yonkers mayor sues for defamation over alleged visit to strip club
October 9, 2010 by donal brown
Filed under 1st Amendment News, Freedom of Speech / Press, News & Opinion
The Yonkers mayor claims he never visited a strip club or received a lap dance from “Sassy.” He is suing the strip-club owner, also the publisher of the Westchester Guardian, a weekly newspaper that printed the allegations. -db
The Journal News
October 8, 2010
By Timothy O-Connor
A stripper named Sassy sits at the center of a lawsuit that pits strip-club owner Sam Zherka against the mayor of Yonkers.
Zherka’s newspaper, The Westchester Guardian, published an article on the eve of the 2007 election that called Mayor Phil Amicone a “hypocrite” who “frequents strip clubs” and received a lap dance from “a girl by the name of Sassy.”
The source for the article written by Richard Blassberg, the former editor of the Guardian, was Zherka, who owns the V.I.P. Club in Manhattan in addition to publishing the weekly newspaper.
Amicone sued Zherka and the newspaper for libel in a lawsuit that is a counter claim to Blassberg’s lawsuit against Amicone. Blassberg’s lawsuit claims that Amicone had Guardian newspaper boxes removed and newspaper distributors harassed in Yonkers because the newspaper was sharply critical of him.
Both lawsuits are being tried in one trial in U.S. District Court before Judge Cathy Seibel.
On Thursday, Zherka took the stand to say that Amicone was in his strip club a few weeks after they met at a dinner in early 2007 where Amicone honored Zherka with an integrity award and spoke glowingly of him.
That testimony came a day after Amicone not only denied being in Zherka’s strip club but also denied ever stepping foot in any strip club in his life.
He also said he never gave Zherka any award and never offered him any public words of praise. He said he only stopped by the function to be introduced to Zherka and spoke with him for two minutes.
Zherka called the mayor a liar.
“Phil Amicone took this stand and lied,” Zherka said before Seibel ordered the comment stricken from the record.
Zherka said he never saw Amicone at the club, but that a manager and hostess told him Amicone had been in the club.
Zherka had been more expansive about the alleged trip during a deposition taken before the trial and referenced in court papers. In that deposition, Zherka said Sassy — whose real name he did not know — gave Amicone the lap dance and that Amicone didn’t buy a drink. Zherka said in the deposition that Amicone was “cheap.”
“He didn’t spend any money,” Zherka said. “He didn’t even pay her the $20 lap dance. So, it was kind of a funny thing.”
Amicone said his wife was “devastated ” by the article. He never called Zherka and asked for a retraction, he said, because he knew he wouldn’t get one.
“He knew he lied,” Amicone said. “He didn’t need me to tell him that.
Testimony ended Thursday afternoon. Jury deliberations are expected to begin Tuesday.
Blassberg is seeking at least $10 million from Amicone and the city. Amicone’s counter-suit does not name a dollar amount.
jaynejosh
10-19-2010, 05:14 AM
Hey If you are a student in NYC and can only work 20 hours cause you are from out US, can you still work in any clubs without an SSN?
Thanks
Jayne
laurcon
10-21-2010, 12:08 PM
Manhattan is pretty strict with following the law as far as SSN's go, I don't know of any clubs but maybe there are some in Queens or something.
WorkItNow
11-11-2010, 01:12 AM
Any recent info on NYC clubs? Ones accesible by subway only, pulling at least 200-300 a night take home?
Sophia_Starina
11-12-2010, 09:23 AM
Any recent info on NYC clubs? Ones accesible by subway only, pulling at least 200-300 a night take home?
I am looking for info on a starter club for a girl that hasnt danced in a while isnt in the best shape and wont have a car in NYC?
Try Private Eyes, NY Dolls, or the Lace clubs. All are accessible by subway.
laurcon
11-12-2010, 11:34 AM
Did you girls hear about the recent busts of Sapphire and Lace for prostitution and drugs? I don't really know anything about it; my manager mentioned it to be careful. Do you think it really was just what the girls said or what they actually did?
Sophia_Starina
11-12-2010, 02:58 PM
Did you girls hear about the recent busts of Sapphire and Lace for prostitution and drugs? I don't really know anything about it; my manager mentioned it to be careful. Do you think it really was just what the girls said or what they actually did?
Well, since both scenarios are criminally actionable it's really a moot point.
In theory, cops can't engage in sexual activity/drugs during a sting. Agreeing to preform illegal sexual activity or to provide drugs in exchange of money (even if it's indirect--- like saying "we can do x,y, and z in the vip room" since vip rooms cost money) can easily get a stripper a trip down town. So in essence, it does not make a bit of difference.
I don't know what really happened but if drugs were found, a dancer was caught in the act, or if someone in the club agreed to provide either drugs/prostitution to someone they shouldn't have--- it's still against the law. The only difference would be the severity of the charges, I believe.
Sophia_Starina
11-12-2010, 03:22 PM
Did you girls hear about the recent busts of Sapphire and Lace for prostitution and drugs? I don't really know anything about it; my manager mentioned it to be careful. Do you think it really was just what the girls said or what they actually did?
O yeah, one more thing. Even if a girl has zero intentions of providing any of those things and lies to an undercover cop, she will still be busted. All the police need is an agreement.
Athenathefabulous
11-12-2010, 03:45 PM
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Sophia_Starina
11-12-2010, 04:11 PM
this is not necessarily true...
That's why I said "In Theory".
I've heard undercovers can't have tattoos. Untrue.
I've heard undercovers can't drink. Untrue.
I've heard undercovers won't get fully naked (when I was working in a dungeon, house rules stated a custy has to be completely naked before any possibly incriminating 'details' are discussed). This turned out to be true. The girl was busted for agreeing to perform sissy-training (doing a dude in the butt with a strap-on) before he removed his boxers. When she returned, she said over & over again how it was her mistake since it is believed to be a dead giveaway. In another instance, a girl offered to give a dungeon custy a massage (she didn't have a license to do so) while he was not fully undressed. Again... BUST-O.
I've also heard of undercovers engaging in some sexual activity and then busting a girl.
However, with those things considered, a prosecutor will have a difficult time in court if public servants are dick-deep and geeked-out during a bust.
So to clarify... in a perfect world, the people whose job it is to serve & protect shouldn't be doing the criminal activities they are trying to stop.
I never said it was a hard and fast rule.
Vyanka
11-12-2010, 04:25 PM
That's why I said "In Theory".
I've heard undercovers can't have tattoos. Untrue.
I've heard undercovers can't drink. Untrue.
I've heard undercovers won't get fully naked (when I was working in a dungeon, house rules stated a custy has to be completely naked before any possibly incriminating 'details' are discussed). This turned out to be true. The girl was busted for agreeing to perform sissy-training (doing a dude in the butt with a strap-on) before he removed his boxers. When she returned, she said over & over again how it was her mistake since it is believed to be a dead giveaway. In another instance, a girl offered to give a dungeon custy a massage (she didn't have a license to do so) while he was not fully undressed. Again... BUST-O.
I've also heard of undercovers engaging in some sexual activity and then busting a girl.
However, with those things considered, a prosecutor will have a difficult time in court if public servants are dick-deep and geeked-out during a bust.
So to clarify... in a perfect world, the people whose job it is to serve & protect shouldn't be doing the criminal activities they are trying to stop.
I never said it was a hard and fast rule.
I've heard of that also. They will get sucked & fucked, then cuff...unfatasy style. :P
AmyLynne
11-16-2010, 06:34 PM
theyre right about sam z though. he's a mademan so to speak.