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KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-17-2009, 11:47 AM
I like to mess with Earl, he's tough stuff and can handle it.
JayATee
11-17-2009, 02:10 PM
I thought i may have mentioned it but whenever a girl who is drinking or just hanging out with us is on stage I always make it a point to go up to the stage and drop 5-10 bucks at some point. And depending on who happens to be with my group those guys will sometimes get dances as well. None of my post was to gloat or brag it was just offering a different perspective of a customer.
Didn't mean to stirr up a hornets nest, my point is only that there are different kinds of visits to SC's. It is definitly interesting to hear how some of the girls feel about guys that spend money in the club on things other than dances. Then again in any sales job when a customer comes in and goes to a diffent department to spend money the other salespeople are going to be pissed their department didnt' get the sale.
I was half thinking that you may not be anywhere near as bad as I originally thought... until that last paragraph. ::)
Hopper
11-18-2009, 02:07 AM
So you're a beta male, you still managed to produce offspring. Tough shit.
Earl's point is that the clubs don't pay the strippers anything even though they attract customers who buy drinks. So the strippers are dependent on tips from these customers. The club is at least as obliged as customers to pay strippers for stage shows.
Phil-W
11-18-2009, 11:28 AM
Earl's point is that the clubs don't pay the strippers anything even though they attract customers who buy drinks. So the strippers are dependent on tips from these customers. The club is at least as obliged as customers to pay strippers for stage shows.
Ho ho ho.
The clubs use dancers as 'cash cows' by extracting the maximum amount of cash from them.
1) They maximise stage fees (a charge to work) by putting as many dancers on a shift as they can get away with - irrespective of whether there are enough customers for the dancers to walk away with decent earnings
2) They take a % of every lap dance
3) Many clubs require dancers to tip the other employees - house mother, DJ, bouncers, etc - which cuts down on the need for the club to play those employees a decent wage.
Next joke about clubs paying dancers?
Phil.
lemiwinks31
11-18-2009, 02:55 PM
You know what they say.... the size of a mans ears is directly related to the size of.... LoL. ;)
Earmuffs? Headphones?
Vince Money
11-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Earl's point is that the clubs don't pay the strippers anything even though they attract customers who buy drinks. So the strippers are dependent on tips from these customers. The club is at least as obliged as customers to pay strippers for stage shows.
I think this is somethign a lot of customers, myself included, forget. Guys may not realize that the girls have to to basicly pay to work there and so there isn't much thought to tipping a girl unless she is on stage or giving a L.D. Not saying that it is right but just the way it is.
JayATee
11-18-2009, 05:38 PM
I think this is somethign a lot of customers, myself included, forget. Guys may not realize that the girls have to to basicly pay to work there and so there isn't much thought to tipping a girl unless she is on stage or giving a L.D. Not saying that it is right but just the way it is.
So be someone who changes it. That's not "the way it is". It's the way you're making it. Like I said. Go to a reg bar. ::)
Hopper
11-19-2009, 02:11 AM
Ho ho ho.
The clubs use dancers as 'cash cows' by extracting the maximum amount of cash from them.
1) They maximise stage fees (a charge to work) by putting as many dancers on a shift as they can get away with - irrespective of whether there are enough customers for the dancers to walk away with decent earnings
2) They take a % of every lap dance
3) Many clubs require dancers to tip the other employees - house mother, DJ, bouncers, etc - which cuts down on the need for the club to play those employees a decent wage.
Next joke about clubs paying dancers?
Phil.
Then is wishing all customers at clubs tipped strippers a joke too?
It might not be a joke in Paris' club if she starts one.
Phil-W
11-19-2009, 11:04 AM
Then is wishing all customers at clubs tipped strippers a joke too?
The point of yours I was replying to was the one about clubs paying dancers - which I was pointing out was totally unrealistic.
Phil.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-19-2009, 06:39 PM
The point of yours I was replying to was the one about clubs paying dancers - which I was pointing out was totally unrealistic.
Phil.
There was a time not that long ago when clubs had paid bookings. This insured those dancers would show up and stay for the entire shift. Paid bookings no longer exist; my how times have changed in a short time.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-19-2009, 08:33 PM
Paid bookings still do exist. Stop being solipsistic.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-20-2009, 01:14 AM
Paid bookings still do exist. Stop being solipsistic.
Not it the swamps of Jersey; as that is all I know as the world comes to me to dance in their underwear. So solipsistic is all that I can be as I can be's no more.
Hopper
11-20-2009, 05:22 AM
The point of yours I was replying to was the one about clubs paying dancers - which I was pointing out was totally unrealistic.
Phil.
My point (and Earl's I think - I was just restating his) was not that we can change what club owners do, but that dancers only complain about what customers do. It is equally unrealistinc to expect cheap or clueless customers to tip strippers. What are the dancers going to do, hold them upside-down by the ankles and shake the tips out of them?
Vince Money
11-23-2009, 01:38 PM
It is equally unrealistinc to expect cheap or clueless customers to tip strippers. What are the dancers going to do, hold them upside-down by the ankles and shake the tips out of them?
Well if they don't tip.....
A different scenario but I thought it was interesting and relevant.
laurcon
11-23-2009, 02:12 PM
^ wow. thanks for sharing. the policy for groups of 7-8 or larger are usually on the menu. the people could have all left and gone for fast food before they even ate if they weren't comfortable paying $2 each for the waitress carrying their food and drinks out to them. omg wait, they had to get their own napkins during happy hour at a place called "Lehigh Pub"?! yes that certainly warrants 0 tip when 18% was clearly mandatory. :mad:
Elvia
11-23-2009, 02:26 PM
^^^ yeah, it pissed me off too. I had forgotten how clueless customers can be when you work in customer service. If it took a long time for your food to arrive, that's probably an issue in the kitchen, not your server's fault. Duh.
JayATee
12-01-2009, 10:42 PM
It is equally unrealistinc to expect cheap or clueless customers to tip strippers. What are the dancers going to do, hold them upside-down by the ankles and shake the tips out of them?
Oh please, give me a fucking break. Every movie you see that has strippers or SCs involved shows ppl giving the dancers money. You're seriously gonna tell me ppl dont know to tip? What planet are you from? ::)
Earl_the_Pearl
12-01-2009, 11:00 PM
Well if they don't tip.....
A different scenario but I thought it was interesting and relevant.
All charges were dropped. It did state on the menu that 18% would be added to the bill for parties of 6 or more. Perhaps that is why the staff figured the hell with them I get my 18% no matter what.
Hopper
12-02-2009, 12:57 AM
Oh please, give me a fucking break. Every movie you see that has strippers or SCs involved shows ppl giving the dancers money. You're seriously gonna tell me ppl dont know to tip? What planet are you from? ::)
Hold on LBJ. I said cheap and clueless customers, who obviously do exist, since they are the ones you are complaining about in this thread and in many others.
No, not every movie shows people tipping and customers aren't necessarily going to racall some movie they saw a couple of years ago for advice on what to do.
Elvia
12-02-2009, 01:01 AM
^^^ the solution is simple. Explain the protocol to them. If they still don't care to follow it, make their experience as unpleasant as possible and drive 'em out.
WestCoast101
12-19-2009, 12:41 PM
The earlier discussion was in the thread: "re: if you don't want a dance"
(around 130's)
By the way, most large sample random surveys tend to place doggy style (or to a less degree woman prone on her stomach with ass up) either the #1 or #2 preferred position by most women, and sometimes (so-called "moon rising") female on back and legs up (.e.g. around the guys neck if they are long enough) is rated highly - and other times sometimes woman on top - is rated highly
Missionary is rarely rated highly, especially in terms of enhancing orgasms, which makes perfect sense because its not an evolutionary positoin, nor is the angle anything close to standard doggy style evolutionary position -as some might argue "moon rising" is.
firemaiden04
12-19-2009, 12:54 PM
^...what?
Elvia
12-19-2009, 07:50 PM
^^^ I think the conclusion we've come to is that west coast believes women love doggy style above all other positions because he pays for it.
What that has to do with this thread is anyone's guess.
yoda57us
12-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Xdamage, the evol- bio spin on issues can get a bit confrontational, however I've noticed many females will at least readily concede a probable evolutionary based connection to their often (most females) preferred and (usually) orgasmically-optimized and enhanced sexual position, either doggy or prone on stomach with ass up. They will also concede that the very unevolutionary "recently" invented missionary position - is generally less optimal.....
It started here, four months ago...still not sure why...
The_Oceans
12-28-2009, 02:37 AM
I'm going to bounce around to reply to some interesting, on-topic points:
In the case of customers who DO actually mean "later", you should try and convey your sincerity. Occasionally I'll have a guy say something like "Now right now, but please come back again later" or "I'm talking business with my friend right now, but I'd love to later, could you come back?".
That's about the ONLY time I ever take "later" seriously and actually go back to the customer. Unless of course they wave me down or come get me.
This is exactly what I try to do. I will never say "maybe" in the club and find it's much easier to deal in absolutes. If I want a girl to come back later, I will tell her why I'm saying no now and when I'd like to see her later. For example, "Sorry, I've already committed to some dances with Penny first but as soon as we're done, I'd love to get some dances with you" or "I actually just got here and need a few minutes to settle in first. I'm not ready for dances yet but if you can come back in five to ten minutes I'd love some dances with you."
If I am considering getting dances from someone later, I would also ask her to repeat her name as she is leaving - good way to (attempt to) remember her if she comes around again, and put the kernel in that you would likely have some interest.
If you are asking to join them for company then you have a right to be annoyed if they do not pay for your time. But even then it all comes down to investing. If you sit down with a guy, your chances of selling a dance increase, so it is "worth" sitting. I've never gotten angry and yelled at a guy for "letting" me sit with them but not compensating me. I typically will not sit down for more than a song or two and if you are not buying me a drink or tipping I am closing the sale quickly and moving on. I always ask before I sit to weed out the guys who are not interested but some guys are going to say yes and still not spend money simply because they feel too rude saying no. They don't realize it would be better financially to say no rather than let us waste our time...BTW, I am not in favor of guys letting girls sit when they know they are not going to get a dance, and are not at the very least going to part with at least a drink or a tip. Unless the tip is quite large or the drink is 3 or more, I would still rather be told no than sit even for a song or two. Its much better than nothing, but I could be trying to sell to someone else. If you know there is no way in hell no matter how great her personality is, then just say no. If she sits without asking I'd let her know ASAP that you are waiting for someone else.
"i'm just not looking for company tonight" is great! that says to me that you want a dance, but not with me, and you don't want to sit with me. no prob.
my prob is when i guy specifically says "i don't want a dance" when i've just said hi and wasn't going to ask for awhile... but meanwhile talking to me for two songs was only gonna save him from all the other girls asking him for dances he doesn't want at the moment. and i'm hilarious ;D
and i always end up getting a drink or tip or VIP. i wouldn't really want 3 drinks from one customer in like 20 mins, i'm not trying to black out!
If there's one dancer line I have to admit that I LOATHE, it's "would you like some company". To me, it's a loaded question, as it is exceedingly rare that in a SC, "company" means just sitting down for a moment to chat. I don't mind a few minutes of light conversation but I know that inevitably this will lead to an ask for a sale, and if I'm not interested at that time I would rather nip it in the bud, with a polite "No, thank you," in order to avoid wasting her time and mine. (I think it far worse to take up her time only to turn her down anyway.)
The reason "I'm good" is so annoying (worse than no, thank you) imo is because it implies that you are satisfied ("good") with the experience you are currently getting - the "just sitting here sipping a beer staring at the stage and not buying dances" experience.
I am guilty of "I'm good" or "I'm fine" as a response...it's reminiscient of using the term in a bar when asked if I would like another drink. However, I always say it (in both the SC and the bar) as "No thanks, I'm fine for now." Because, at that moment in time, maybe I am "satisfied with the experience" I am currently receiving...I may change my mind at any moment, however }:D
nylonfootlover
01-07-2010, 01:52 AM
well some guys dont want to be mean or rude. I always say maybe later or Ill let you know. It is just the most polite way of saying Im not interested.
JayATee
01-07-2010, 01:57 AM
well some guys dont want to be mean or rude. I always say maybe later or Ill let you know. It is just the most polite way of saying Im not interested.
Ugh, did you read any of this thread? A simple no thank you isn't mean or rude and it doesn't waste my time. If you say maybe later I'll be back to talk to you bc I don't know you're not interested and that's time I could be talking to someone else who does want a dance. Your "politeness" is costing me money. ::)
nylonfootlover
01-07-2010, 02:02 AM
Oh ok your right. True true. I never thought any dancer would come back unless the night was very very dead. Bec usually they end up with other customers who are very interested and end up sticking with them them the whole night.
firemaiden04
01-07-2010, 03:37 AM
Lol, this thread is still going?
yoda57us
01-07-2010, 09:38 PM
So it appears...but it peaked a while ago...
JayATee
01-07-2010, 09:47 PM
^ I can't handle stupid ppl that's the only reason I even bothered....
yoda57us
01-07-2010, 10:19 PM
^ I can't handle stupid ppl that's the only reason I even bothered....
That's always a good enough reason as far as I'm concerned!
JayATee
01-07-2010, 10:20 PM
^ I was even kinda nice too... I don't know what came over me.
pdxslc
01-24-2010, 05:22 PM
lol, i have a sweating problem :-\
I'm new to dancing and I have a sweating problem as well. Like you, after 3 dances I'm sweating a lot (even if I go slow...) and have to go back to the dressing room to clean up. It's disgusting. Luckily, I never smell bad, and often the guys don't seem to mind (I apologize for sweating so much in private shows, and they usually say, "Baby, it just means I'm turning you on, right? Don't worry about it." But I still do. :-\ What products do you use to keep yourself from soaking the guy in sweat?
laurcon
01-24-2010, 05:30 PM
I'm new to dancing and I have a sweating problem as well. Like you, after 3 dances I'm sweating a lot (even if I go slow...) and have to go back to the dressing room to clean up. It's disgusting. Luckily, I never smell bad, and often the guys don't seem to mind (I apologize for sweating so much in private shows, and they usually say, "Baby, it just means I'm turning you on, right? Don't worry about it." But I still do. :-\ What products do you use to keep yourself from soaking the guy in sweat?
haha well i've been dancing for awhile, and guys always tell me they don't mind. i get really sweaty in the private rooms sometimes, like literally dripping but i have no choice but to continue. i think it bothers me more than it bothers them.
there's nothing i've found for my body sweat, but i used to have massive problems with upper lip sweat! now i put that secret clinical strength anti-perspirant over my lip and it works amazing. i'm not trying to subtly wipe my face anymore!
one important thing is to always have hair ties. i find when i get really sweaty my hair gets soaked too and it makes the whole thing miserable. sometimes even in the middle of a dance i will stop for a few seconds to put my hair up. it makes guys think you're serious about working hard for them, lol. good luck sweaty sista! :)
TravelGuy
01-25-2010, 04:01 PM
i think it bothers me more than it bothers them.
Some kind of threadjack going on here. When a dancer is starting to sweat it is really a turn on. Maybe it's just me, but it goes well beyond "not bothering me."
JayATee
01-25-2010, 08:41 PM
Some kind of threadjack going on here. When a dancer is starting to sweat it is really a turn on. Maybe it's just me, but it goes well beyond "not bothering me."
LoL that's bc the original thread is long dead.
You Know Me
01-25-2010, 10:47 PM
I'm new to dancing and I have a sweating problem as well. Like you, after 3 dances I'm sweating a lot (even if I go slow...) and have to go back to the dressing room to clean up. It's disgusting. Luckily, I never smell bad, and often the guys don't seem to mind (I apologize for sweating so much in private shows, and they usually say, "Baby, it just means I'm turning you on, right? Don't worry about it." But I still do. :-\ What products do you use to keep yourself from soaking the guy in sweat?
Lol Hot sticky nights. I know your are at work and its not what you want to be happening and i prefer you not sweat all over me either.
Now if we are both sweating, that is a completely different story}:D
Where i come from hot sticky sex is the norm. I guess thats why most guys dont care. Its sexual to them. Haha make it work for you...Oh you have me so hot!!!!! lol
pdxslc
01-25-2010, 11:20 PM
Now if we are both sweating, that is a completely different story}:D
Where i come from hot sticky sex is the norm. I guess thats why most guys dont care. Its sexual to them. Haha make it work for you...Oh you have me so hot!!!!! lol
Heh heh, this is what I have been doing actually. Just saying "mmm, I'm sorry I'm sweating so much, sweetie, but you're turning me on!" It seems to have helped. But, I still hate leaving a private show all sweaty and then immediately having to go on stage looking really... bleh.
I also mostly hate what it does to my hair, but mine is curly and not long enough to put back in a hair tie :-/
And sorry I threadjacked... I searched for sweating, since it's a problem I have been having, and this was one of the first threads that came up, lol.
Athenathefabulous
01-25-2010, 11:43 PM
Heh heh, this is what I have been doing actually. Just saying "mmm, I'm sorry I'm sweating so much, sweetie, but you're turning me on!" It seems to have helped. But, I still hate leaving a private show all sweaty and then immediately having to go on stage looking really... bleh.
I also mostly hate what it does to my hair, but mine is curly and not long enough to put back in a hair tie :-/
And sorry I threadjacked... I searched for sweating, since it's a problem I have been having, and this was one of the first threads that came up, lol.
i wouldnt sweat the sweating... most men dont care.
if its really out of hand, are you in shape? I get drenched when i work and am out of shape, but as i get into better shape i sweat less.
also, check your diet. are you overloading on sodium? If you find yourself salting everything but your ice cream, you might want to re-evaluate your eating habits.
zippoman
01-26-2010, 08:43 AM
What should I say when "no thank you" does not work? /:O Most times it has worked fine but there have been times when it seems to cause some dancers to become more aggresive. This has been the case when I have been waiting for a certain dancer.
laurcon
01-26-2010, 03:21 PM
What should I say when "no thank you" does not work? /:O Most times it has worked fine but there have been times when it seems to cause some dancers to become more aggresive. This has been the case when I have been waiting for a certain dancer.
i think the best thing to tell a girl is "i'm waiting for someone." even if you're not specifically, because its still true, you're waiting for someone who isn't the dancer talking to you now.
now most girls at my club would back down then, but if she goes "oh i'll wait with you" then i would say something like "oh thanks sweetie but i wouldn't want to waste your time or be rude."
if she asks who you're waiting for i'd just say "oh i'd rather not say and just see if she's around, i don't want to make a big deal out of it, but thank you have a good night."
or some variation of this idea. but its really nice when a guy turns me down in this way and promotes a more positive environment. then instead of being upset that an "asshole turned me down," i'm happy for the girl he is waiting for and glad he came in to see her, and hopes next time he brings friends for me! ;D
Athenathefabulous
01-26-2010, 03:25 PM
What should I say when "no thank you" does not work? /:O Most times it has worked fine but there have been times when it seems to cause some dancers to become more aggresive. This has been the case when I have been waiting for a certain dancer.
if you say you are waiting for another dancer and she insists on sticking around, then she is being cutthroat IMO. if someone tells me he is waiting for someone else, i politely say "oh ok, have fun." and walk off.
if no thank you doesnt work, tell her flat out that you came to see somone else and are not going to spend any money on her. if that doesnt make her leave, well then i guess she is dumb as rocks. because if a guy flat out said he had no intention of spendng money on me, i would not hang around.
laurcon
01-26-2010, 03:26 PM
i wouldnt sweat the sweating... most men dont care.
if its really out of hand, are you in shape? I get drenched when i work and am out of shape, but as i get into better shape i sweat less.
also, check your diet. are you overloading on sodium? If you find yourself salting everything but your ice cream, you might want to re-evaluate your eating habits.
and ya, i do use lots of salt and prob eat lots of stuff high in sodium. when i was anorexic in HS i actually used to eat just straight salt, some nights half the shaker (it was a small shaker but still freaky).
so now i'm a lot better but i can't shake the salt obsession.( ::) for my pun)
now that i realize this though i will try really cutting my sodium for like a week or two and see if there's any difference in sweat, and if i can maintain a low-sodium diet. i probably just need to try to get down to a regular sodium diet.
thanks for the post athena.