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JayATee
08-31-2009, 02:15 PM
It seems odd to me that in a nation where 2/3 of the people are overweight that there is a discrimination problem against overweight people.

The issue is a rather simple one, food is too easy to get. I spend hours every day in the kitchen cooking for my family. I know that the ingredients in every dish I serve is 100% food, not some chemical additive or HFCS or artificial fat substitute. It is rather amazing, but when I cook with all natural foods, my family consumes a lot less.

The closest thing we have to pre-made meals would be breakfast cereals. Even at that, cheerios would be the most processed of the cereals that we buy. Or maybe grape nuts. I've become a voracious label reader, and if a food product contains something I don't recognize as a food substance, I leave it behind.

So many ppl don't realize what they're doing to themselves! It amazes me. If something says low cal, or low fat ppl assume it's healthy. This isn't the case. I bet you noticed a huge difference in how you felt when you switched over to all natural foods. It makes such a huge difference. When I grocery shop it's all along the outside edge of the store. Absolutely nothing from the middle because that's where all the processed junk is. Only fresh fruits, vegetable, meats, and dairy products.

DesuvsDeath
08-31-2009, 03:14 PM
Finally... Peta's done something right.
That's a first. /amazed.

MarvelGirl
08-31-2009, 04:25 PM
Hmmmm, strippers supporting the shaming and legislating of behavior that the majority deems damaging, unhealthy and/or wrong. The irony makes my head hurt.

So you're fat, huh? Maybe you should try fixing that instead of comparing taking your top off to killing yourself with doughnuts.

Shy_Guy
08-31-2009, 06:04 PM
^ So what you're saying is everyone should worry about their own problems before trying to fix the problems of others?

You might be on to something . . .

DesuvsDeath
08-31-2009, 06:09 PM
^ So what you're saying is everyone should worry about their own problems before trying to fix the problems of others?

You might be on to something . . .
That's crazy talk!

JayATee
08-31-2009, 06:13 PM
So you're fat, huh? Maybe you should try fixing that instead of comparing taking your top off to killing yourself with doughnuts.

I knew there was a reason I had him on ignore. ::)

mediocrity
08-31-2009, 06:26 PM
Wow, I am surprised at all the good input here too! Yay! I've been gone a few days because of moving but I am loving the responses.

I also wanted to add: I hate when parents force kids to clean their plate. Whenever I told my parents I was full they would say "Ok. Well what do you think you should do? Stop eating." If there was a lot left, they'd put it in the fridge and we'd have leftover night once a week.

I also wasn't given soda or junk; was always told there was no excuse for cavities in your baby teeth. As a result, I never developed a sweet tooth. I also have a good portion control concept too. In most Asian countries, 8oz of protein is spread out amongst an entire family. No one needs a 20oz steak.

xdamage
08-31-2009, 07:24 PM
I also wanted to add: I hate when parents force kids to clean their plate. Whenever I told my parents I was full they would say "Ok. Well what do you think you should do? Stop eating." If there was a lot left, they'd put it in the fridge and we'd have leftover night once a week.

Yea my parents use to do the whole starving kids in India speech and make us finish. I didn't do that to my kids. If you're full you're full. Even animals are smart enough to stop when their body says "full".

JayATee
08-31-2009, 07:25 PM
Yea my parents use to do the whole starving kids in India speech and make us finish. I didn't do that to my kids. If you're full you're full. Even animals are smart enough to stop when their body says "full".

I honestly have no idea why parents do this. /:O

vmurphy252
08-31-2009, 07:44 PM
^My mom didn't necessarily, but my grandma... jeez, when I was at their house, it was, every 10 minutes, "do you want something to eat?".

Shy_Guy
08-31-2009, 09:07 PM
^ your grandmother's generation was the great depression. I know that influenced my parents' behavior greatly. Some people didn't always know where the next meal was coming from, so if you had food, you ate it. It generated a great respect for having food in the house. It always helps to understand where people are coming from.

Just as a curiosity (if your grandmother is still around) ask her if she ever went hungry? Or maybe get your mom's thoughts/remembrances.

vmurphy252
08-31-2009, 09:09 PM
Oh, I understood why she did it. Just didn't translate to this generation well, cuz we have no self discipline...

Djoser
08-31-2009, 09:13 PM
Hmmmm, strippers supporting the shaming and legislating of behavior that the majority deems damaging, unhealthy and/or wrong. The irony makes my head hurt.

They aren't supporting 'the shaming and legislation of behavior that the majority deems damaging, unhealthy and/or wrong'.

They are saying it's not OK to encourage being a big fat pig when being a big fat pig can easily kill you. Not to mention ruin your social life. Who wants to fuck a fattie? Not me, so don't go plastering pictures of your fat ass all over the place and pretending it's sexy, or in the least bit attractive, actually.

Not 'you' personally, for all I know you are in perfect shape without an ounce of fat.

But whenever Oprah does yet another show where all the big fat women in the audience are rallying each other and clapping and cheering when the big fat girl starts sobbing tears of joy and says 'I love my body and I think I am beautiful!', I think to myself 'Good for you! Just don't expect anyone to fuck you when you look like a big happy pig.'

Shy_Guy
08-31-2009, 09:14 PM
yeah, kids these days I tells ya!

vmurphy252
08-31-2009, 09:15 PM
Big Happy Pig would be an awesome band name.

Djoser
08-31-2009, 09:21 PM
Here is a fat guy who obviously feels no shame:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFM49hBKJq4&feature=related

You have to let it go for a few seconds, he will show up. You can't miss him! ;D

I think it's sort of cool, in a kind of disgusting way. I sure wouldn't pay to see him though!

Shy_Guy
08-31-2009, 09:30 PM
They are saying it's not OK to encourage being a big fat pig when being a big fat pig can easily kill you. Not to mention ruin your social life. Who wants to fuck a fattie? Not me, so don't go plastering pictures of your fat ass all over the place and pretending it's sexy, or in the least bit attractive, actually.


Your rationale just seems like a very sharp, judgmental two-edged sword.

It's also intesting how you use your desire to have sex with somebody as a judgment criterion.

JayATee
08-31-2009, 09:32 PM
Big Happy Pig would be an awesome band name.

You are too funny.

Djoser
08-31-2009, 09:58 PM
Your rationale just seems like a very sharp, judgmental two-edged sword.

It's also intesting how you use your desire to have sex with somebody as a judgment criterion.

Considering how you just posted a judgement on the dancers posting in this thread, who were supposedly 'shaming and legislating', when they were not in fact doing so at all, you just cut yourself with your own sword.

And since the only big fat sex stars ever seen in any videos, magazines, etc. are in the 'freak show'/specialty area, it's not just me saying fat people are a total, complete turn off sexually. When Penthouse runs a 400 pound centerfold, I will know times (and men's preferences) have changed.

I have no objection to fat people embracing themselves and being happy, so long as they don't expect me to be surprised when they die at age 45 and cannot seem to ever get a date.

Shy_Guy
08-31-2009, 10:00 PM
^an observation and a judgment are very different things.

My point is that most of the judgments against "fatties" are near-identical to the judgments against strippers.

Bad for your health

Bad for your social life

Gross

etc. . .

Djoser
08-31-2009, 10:32 PM
Well you are starting to make a bit more sense, but the comparison isn't really valid.

For one thing, I have never yet seen anyone saying stripping is bad for your health. Actually it tends to get most women who try it into much better shape, especially if they start playing around on the pole, etc. Though the occasional dancer will gain weight while dancing, it is true, it is almost always the other way around.

The stress levels can often be higher which could make it easier to get sick, but I think the exercise gotten on stage and the much greater income obtainable (than in the normal 'shit jobs' like being a cashier or worse yet a sedate office cubicle type position) will tend to counteract this.

Bad for your social life? Depends on what kind of social life you want. Certainly dancing is going to get you more chances to go out on dates than any woman could ever ask for. And the atmosphere of a stripclub, if it's run by anyone of any competence whatsoever, is going to be extremely 'social', even if it also tends to be superficial.

Gross? While I have had to put some truly disgusting women onstage (like the really fat ones some of these idiot managers hire so they can get more house fees for instance), putting women on a stage is not at all what I would term 'gross'.

Now some of the poor strippers who have to dance for big sweaty, smelly fat guys, yeah that's gross. But it's not the strippers who are gross in that case, it's what they are having to put up with to get the 20$ a song. Nobody ever said stripping was easy, though.

Djoser
08-31-2009, 10:42 PM
What I don't understand is how some of these people can gain any weight at all, if they don't go to McDonalds every day that is, or eat three dinners at a time.

I mean before I lost my appetite I didn't pay any attention to calories at all, but when I stopped eating when that shit went down a while back, I started watching the calories so I could get enough--as I did NOT want to lose any weight.

I am actually amazed at how difficult it can be to get even the 2,000 calories which are supposed to be the minimum requirement, if you aren't working out at all which I do regularly.

Like for instance right now I am eating a 21 ounce lasagna dinner, which has only 650 calories if you eat all of it, supposedly 2 1/2 servings total! That's 1 1/3 pounds of food, and it's fucking lasagna, with all the cheese and the pasta, etc. If I ate 'one serving' of that a night, with maybe some vegetables and an apple, I'd fucking fall over and die after two weeks.

MarvelGirl
08-31-2009, 10:53 PM
Hmmmm, strippers supporting the shaming and legislating of behavior that the majority deems damaging, unhealthy and/or wrong. The irony makes my head hurt.

I'm going to quote you again. According to your "logic" you would find it ironic if strippers were opposed to child abuse, rape, drug abuse, slavery, etc. You seem to think that we aren't allowed to speak out against things we consider "wrong" because we are deemed "wrong" by society. You are on our turf here, if you consider use to be morally reprehensible either keep it to yourself or take a moment to figure out why you waste so much of your time on a site dedicated to us.

Most of the people on this thread are disgusted by the fat acceptance movement because they actually care about the health of their fellow human beings and especially children who don't have the ability to choose the foods that they eat.

I worked at a McDonald's in high school. I have literally seen morbidly obese children (under 10) go into fits and flop around on the floor screeching as if they were in the throes of heroin withdrawal because they didn't get their french fries fast enough. It's very hard for me to "mind my own business" when I see someone blatantly abusing their child.

If you would like to compare it to stripping then we can do that. I would absolutely report a woman I witnessed giving her young child a lapdance to the authorities. Unfortunately when I see a 120 lb. 6 year old being fed a giant bag of cheetoh's by her mother, there is nothing I can do.

I realize it may be hard for you to understand my perspective if you are overweight because overweight people are often sensitive to this issue. It hits close to home and makes them feel bad about themselves. It's understandable, alcoholics and drug addicts often react the same way to reality. I compare the obese to addicts because they are very similar, both using substances to destroy their health and ruin not only their own lives but those of their families as well.

I'm trying really hard to stop giving a shit, but I'm only human. Hopefully soon my evil heartless stripper genes will kick in and I can go out and cackle maniacally whenever I see someone chasing their dream of Type II diabetes, but I'm not there yet, sorry.

MarvelGirl
08-31-2009, 11:04 PM
I am actually amazed at how difficult it can be to get even the 2,000 calories which are supposed to be the minimum requirement, if you aren't working out at all which I do regularly.



This is so true. I eat clean which means I don't eat fucking garbage like McDonalds and Little Debbie's snacks and I need 2,000 to 2,500 calories a day because I lift regularly just to maintain my weight. It's actually hard to do and I love to eat. I eat all friggin day, enough to the point where people ask me "Are you eating again already? How do you stay so thin?"

I just don't eat shit.

If you eat shit then it's easy to overeat. The ultimate cheeseburger at Jack in the Box has like 1200 calories. I can eat two of those things in one sitting (I meant it when I said I love to eat) and that would be 2400 calories. That's not even counting the large curly fries and the big ass sugar filled soda.

When it comes to amounts of food, I probably eat more actual food than many morbidly obese people but they eat shit. Our culture promotes eating shit and tells people that we actually NEED to eat a little shit in order to be healthy. My son has come home from school telling me that one of his teachers told him that it's important to have something like ice cream or cookies every single day because moderation is important. No, sorry bitch, nobody needs to eat crap every fucking day. I wasn't surprised to find out that this woman weighs over 300 pounds but she was going to lecture MY kid about proper nutrition! :mad:

I hear all the time how the way I eat is not maintainable yet I feel great. I have more energy than I've ever had, I look better than I have since my teens and now I actually enjoy the taste of REAL food. My son occasionally gets to have some soda or I let him buy a candy bar at the store and guess what? It's actually a treat to him! Not something that he just mindlessly shoves down his throat day in and day out.

Ok, I'm gonna stop because I could go on about this all friggin' night.

MarvelGirl
08-31-2009, 11:10 PM
Oh, and the whole cost thing. I feed a family of 3 on $120.00 a week. Keep in mind that two of those people bodybuild as a hobby. I need 2000-2500 calories a day while my 6'2" 210 pound husband needs well over 4000.

It's really not more expensive if you make a meal plan. As for cooking time, I do all my grocery shopping on Sundays and then cook everything for the week that evening and freeze it. It takes me 10 minutes to warm up a full dinner for my family every night.

DesuvsDeath
08-31-2009, 11:14 PM
Like for instance right now I am eating a 21 ounce lasagna dinner, which has only 650 calories if you eat all of it, supposedly 2 1/2 servings total!
Where the fuck did you find that? O_O

katalinda
08-31-2009, 11:56 PM
As usual, MarvelGirl is right on the money. :highfive:

One thing people seem to forget all the time when talking about "being happy with the way your body is naturally" and all that crap is that (I know I'll get flamed for this...)

THERE IS NOTHING NATURAL ABOUT BEING FAT.

There is nothing natural about shoving in five times more food than your stomach can hold. Or about chowing down packet after packet of processed, trans-rich food. Our bodies weren't meant to be this big. That is why it makes us sick!

I accept the fact that my thighs will always be a little thick. I accept the fact that I will never have long legs. But those are things which I would have at any weight. That's an entirely different concept than accepting the fact that you are overweight or obese.

Djoser
09-01-2009, 12:58 AM
Yep, in the wild, as human beings were for the vast majority of our existence, the fatties would have been sabertooth snacks. Pop N' Chew Tasty Snax, get yours today!

;D

In the wild, if you can't run because you weigh 400 pounds, you can't catch dinner. Instead you get caught by whatever predators eat you for dinner.

Djoser
09-01-2009, 01:05 AM
Where the fuck did you find that? O_O

Publix. Frozen food section, Marie Callenders Meat Lasagna, on sale 4 for 10$. Get yours today!

OK sorry I had three vodka cranberries, I am just having a little fun. I wish I had someone cooking for me, or was more like I used to be with food preparation. I would eat better, but I am lazy these days.

xdamage
09-01-2009, 05:17 AM
^ your grandmother's generation was the great depression. I know that influenced my parents' behavior greatly. Some people didn't always know where the next meal was coming from, so if you had food, you ate it. It generated a great respect for having food in the house. It always helps to understand where people are coming from.

Just as a curiosity (if your grandmother is still around) ask her if she ever went hungry? Or maybe get your mom's thoughts/remembrances.

Could be. However I do get that much of the world has and still does go through periods where just getting enough food each day was a constant worry. It may just be thankfulness that motivated that, or even simply 'you better put on the calories now, while you can'. That actually ties in with an earlier post I made in this thread.

The idea that you can hop into your car, pop in a CD or select from 1000s of songs on your MP3 player, drive on smooth paved roads, passing dozens of restaurants (many offering 1000-1500+ calories meals for a the cost of an hours labor), on the way to the grocery store, where you can pick and choose from fresh veggies, fruits, and meats flown in from all over the world; where the aisles are packed with preserved foods that have been nutrient enriched, is insane as compared with the life most people grew up in over 10s and 100s of thousands of years.

And in a world where food is scarce eating as much as you can when you can is probably a wise survival strategy, but..

The downside to all of this is abundance is we don't need to pack on the calories now because there will be food tomorrow. And that is the hard part for many people, to re-tune their (normally reasonable) hunger and to build the self-control needed to "stop" eating like it is their last meal.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 06:26 AM
My son has come home from school telling me that one of his teachers told him that it's important to have something like ice cream or cookies every single day because moderation is important.


She said that a snack like that every day was moderation?!?

justifymylove
09-01-2009, 08:49 AM
They are saying it's not OK to encourage being a big fat pig when being a big fat pig can easily kill you. Not to mention ruin your social life. Who wants to fuck a fattie? Not me, so don't go plastering pictures of your fat ass all over the place and pretending it's sexy, or in the least bit attractive, actually.

Not 'you' personally, for all I know you are in perfect shape without an ounce of fat.

But whenever Oprah does yet another show where all the big fat women in the audience are rallying each other and clapping and cheering when the big fat girl starts sobbing tears of joy and says 'I love my body and I think I am beautiful!', I think to myself 'Good for you! Just don't expect anyone to fuck you when you look like a big happy pig.'

No offense, but I don't think this kind of tough love is helping any. Calling people pigs and fatties just puts them on the defensive. And do we really want to encourage the idea that sexual attractiveness is firmly tied to weight? Beauty and desirability are about much more than body shape and vice versa. If my partner started to pack on pounds I would worry that I wouldn't be sexually attracted to him, yes, but I would also worry about him dying young from heart disease and missing out on years we could have had together.

About the getting enough calories thing though- I noticed that too when I started counting. it's damn easy to stay reasonable when you're not actually eating junk!

MarvelGirl
09-01-2009, 08:58 AM
She said that a snack lack that every day was moderation?!?

She said that he absolutely had to eat ice cream or cookies every day in order to be healthy. He was very concerned about it. That's ridiculous, people do NOT need garbage, sorry if that offends you but it's the truth. A teacher that makes a child feel bad for not eating enough garbage is a flat out piece of shit.

Honestly, your comment just illustrates what I have to deal with every single day. I have to be called a freak because I care about what I put into my body and hear rude comments about being a "health nut" from a bunch of people who honestly look like fried shit to me. I don't preach either, this happens just because I turn down a piece of cake or it's discovered that I don't keep soda in my home. But god forbid that I point out that if I wanted to look like them I'd go ahead and take their advice. Then I'm the "rude" one even though they just insulted my lifestyle and basically called me a bad parent for not serving enough doughnuts.

Yes, people gape at the fact that I don't placate my offspring with junk food every single day but the result is I have a kid who enjoys eating fruit and vegetables instead of one of the fat little waddlers huffing their way to school with a fistful of licorice.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 09:25 AM
^Ummm, I made a typo (lack = like), but I was agreeing with you. Surprised that she's calling something like that every day moderation. I see moderation as maybe once a week for ice cream/etc....

MarvelGirl
09-01-2009, 09:30 AM
^Ummm, I made a typo (lack = like), but I was agreeing with you. Surprised that she's calling something like that every day moderation. I see moderation as maybe once a week for ice cream/etc....

Aw crap, I'm sorry. I've been griped at so often about this lately that I've become really defensive about it.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who thinks like that. I think once a week or so is fine but the people I interact with on a daily basis are in the every day school of thought and it really wears on me.

Didn't mean to jump all over your shit, sorry about that.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 09:36 AM
NP, thought you might have misinterpreted. And I definitely used to be a once a day person for that crap, but I want to keep losing fat/gaining muscle, so I am done with that...

princessjas
09-01-2009, 09:40 AM
I agree with MarvelGirl and vmurph...Once a month or so is what we do with really bad for them treats like that too. I keep pudding or jello cups occasionally and they can have those about once a week.

Daily though, low-fat string cheese or yogurt, fruit, Wheat thins w/hummus and Cheerios or Shredded Wheat are about all we keep for snacks. Seems to work well and my kiddos are healthy weight and love healthy foods.

I was actually concerned both were underweight, because they look like it when compared with their peers, but their pediatrician said Nope, they are ideal weight, it's just that most kids are overweight these days.

My entire family thinks I'm such a freak for not keeping more junk in the house. You'd think I'm being abusive to my kiddos or something.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 09:49 AM
^My current favorite snack is a toasted whole grain english muffin with flax seed, natural peanut butter (Naturally More is the brand), and a little bit of honey. Tastes awesome, only a couple hundred calories, and a good balance of protein and carbs.

Also love Yoplait Lite with fat free cottage cheese.

minalynx
09-01-2009, 10:56 AM
^^ You made me hungry, lol

I'm a sucker for almond butter & bananas or homemade yogurt. :)

xdamage
09-01-2009, 10:58 AM
I don't think the appearance issue is all that important. People do all kinds of things to their bodies, the way they dress, to aging that they can't help, to looks I just don't love that are turn-offs; but they also don't effect me. If they are happy with the sex they are getting and who they are attracting that is not my concern.

My concern is much along the lines of smoking and includes matters that do affect me like:

Statistically are overweight people likely to increase the cost of my health care?

Statistically are overweight people likely to be ill more often or work slower as they age?

Statistically are overweight people's bodies infringing on my space (e.g., on an airplane, which really does suck to have someone else heavy body falling over you, as much as it sucks to breathe their second hand smoke).

These are the kinds of issues that matter because the negatively affect me, and us as a society. On the flip side as much as I do not believe the rhetoric that beauty is purely subjective (that is not scientific, and finally people are doing some tests across multiple cultures), I do believe tolerance and non-judgmental thinking over matters that do not really impact us is a positive social trend. We can still deliver the message obesity is not good for you without making it personal.

Almost Jaded
09-01-2009, 12:15 PM
I'm trying really hard to stop giving a shit, but I'm only human. Hopefully soon my evil heartless stripper genes will kick in and I can go out and cackle maniacally whenever I see someone chasing their dream of Type II diabetes, but I'm not there yet, sorry.

I love your posts. This quote is priceless, lol.

Reading this is making me feel sick, and it's making me annoyed with myself. I have become so lazy that I don't remember how to eat healthy (I went through a phase where I ate very healthy, quit all soda/caffeine, quit smoking, etc). I get into a mood to prepare a meal, and like - can't. So I order pizza. *sigh*

And now I'm diabetic and gaining weight for the first time in my life. Diet controllable diabetes, nothing serious YET, but... So what do I do? Well, let's see - I have a 1 liter Mountain Dew sitting next to my computer and a handful of Skittles. *sigh*

Damnit, now I'm depressed. I need a smoke. :rolleyes:

I'll say this, though - if I fail to get a hold on this and end up fat and Type 2 with lung cancer - I WON'T BLAME IT ON ANYONE BUT MYSELF.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 12:27 PM
^That was the point of my first post in the thread; I'm fat and diabetic, but it is completely my responsibility (and I'm finally doing something about it...).

princessjas
09-01-2009, 12:31 PM
^My current favorite snack is a toasted whole grain english muffin with flax seed, natural peanut butter (Naturally More is the brand), and a little bit of honey. Tastes awesome, only a couple hundred calories, and a good balance of protein and carbs.

Also love Yoplait Lite with fat free cottage cheese.

Oh, sounds nummy! I love Naturally More too! With so much delicious healthy food, I don't understand people who eat like total crap all the time (except for those on a limited income, I'm not judging them at all).

This reminds me...Just the other day, I was asked how I get my kids to eat whole grain breads and when I replied they've never had white bread, I don't buy it....boy the look I got. :O You'd have thought I confessed to eating small children for breakfast or somthing.

princessjas
09-01-2009, 12:35 PM
And now I'm diabetic and gaining weight for the first time in my life. Diet controllable diabetes, nothing serious YET, but... So what do I do? Well, let's see - I have a 1 liter Mountain Dew sitting next to my computer and a handful of Skittles. *sigh*


Oh, don't do it! Put down the Mountain Dew!

I'm diet controlled pre-diabetic or whatever the hell they are calling a really early stage these days. Really, you will feel a bazillion times better if you give up the sugar. I started fainting and stuff so I had too, but it really did make a HUGE difference in how well I felt day to day.
*I'm sure you know this though, so I'll end the lecture now. ;D

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 12:37 PM
Oh, sounds nummy! I love Naturally More too! With so much delicious healthy food, I don't understand people who eat like total crap all the time (except for those on a limited income, I'm not judging them at all).

This reminds me...Just the other day, I was asked how I get my kids to eat whole grain breads and when I replied they've never had white bread, I don't buy it....boy the look I got. :O You'd have thought I confessed to eating small children for breakfast or somthing.

Wife and I were discussing how to instill these habits in the baby to avoid what we went/are going through. Sounds like just do it yourself and they'll follow? If you cook it, they will eat?

princessjas
09-01-2009, 12:59 PM
Wife and I were discussing how to instill these habits in the baby to avoid what we went/are going through. Sounds like just do it yourself and they'll follow? If you cook it, they will eat?

Pretty much. They have simpler palletes as toddlers and keep that in mind, but if you make healthier options, that's what they will eat. My parents are always upset that mine won't eat American Cheese or white bread, or Spaghetti O's or Mac N Cheese from the box.

They DO have Mac N Cheese occassionally, but it's homemade cheese sauce, not the salty, preservative filled stuff, they also eat Penne or shells with homemade Marinara loaded with veggies, veggie Quesadillas, lowfat ham or turkey on wheat, grilled chicken breasts w/veggies, natural popcorn, carrot sticks, a variety of fruits, homemade soups, wheat thins and hummus instead of chips n dip, etc. I try to make it kid friendly but still healthy. (If you need any more ideas for the future, just let me know.)

I absolutely can't get them to eat salad though. ;) Still working on that one.

Oh, and I totally understand wanting to help them avoid food issues as adults. I grew up eating complete garbage, and switched to healthy as soon as I left home, but I still crave crap sometimes. Hopefully my kids won't have that issue, because they've never really had those "bad" foods.

vmurphy252
09-01-2009, 01:10 PM
If I didn't already have someone to do it, I'd want you to bear my children... ;)

princessjas
09-01-2009, 01:20 PM
^^Aww shucks! *blushes*

Shy_Guy
09-01-2009, 06:29 PM
You are on our turf here, if you consider use to be morally reprehensible either keep it to yourself or take a moment to figure out why you waste so much of your time on a site dedicated to us.


My posts had nothing to do with the "evils" of stripping or a defense of obesity. I admit that sometimes I'm a little too oblique for my own good. Since I obviously was unclear in my intent, I will merely apologize for the misunderstanding and move along.

Shy_Guy
09-01-2009, 06:34 PM
I grew up eating complete garbage, and switched to healthy as soon as I left home, but I still crave crap sometimes. Hopefully my kids won't have that issue, because they've never really had those "bad" foods.

The question is, why do we grow to like "crap" food so much in the first place? There's something about all that "bad" food that tastes so good. If Ice Cream tasted bad, nobody would get fat eating it. It would be so much easier if we just couldn't get enough spinach and spent our time hiding the chocolate cake under the mashed potatoes.

File under "more things that taste good, too good:"
http://health.yahoo.com/experts/eatthis/36451/the-best-and-worst-pizzas-in-america/