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WestCoast101
09-06-2009, 09:56 PM
By the way, i'm not transmitting anything because some of these situations have in fact extended over multiple years, some very recent - so obviously I would have heard about it.

J.D.
09-06-2009, 10:17 PM
^^^^ You sound a little paranoid

WestCoast101
09-06-2009, 10:34 PM
with all the hype about H1 virus this fall and winter the amount of dancers even considering this is going to have to drop, maybe down to 5% or whatever the overall number is. In any case, I always viewed college girl/ dancers in their low 20's as the biggest risks, because of mono and a few other things floating around campuses, so I already avoided most of them, except in one case where this dancer had such astonishing beauty (american but ultra exotic origin) I just couldn't resist, and she (has) over the past year or so repeatedly reminded me (in a nice way) that I got lucky in this regards with her. I have to agree, she is absolutely right.

Bob_Loblaw
09-06-2009, 11:19 PM
All I can say is any dancer who tried that with me would have the dance stopped right there and would lose a customer for life. Revoke my 'blue' membership card if you want... IMO, that's just gross!

JayATee
09-06-2009, 11:26 PM
All I can say is any dancer who tried that with me would have the dance stopped right there and would lose a customer for life. Revoke my 'blue' membership card if you want... IMO, that's just gross!

Thank you! I can't tell you how refreshing it is to have a guy say this. Seriously, thank you.

bigbangburrito
09-06-2009, 11:28 PM
I just don't understand how you girls who do this get away with it. I mean, if my manager saw me doing that. he'd fire me on the spot. I have no doubt if a bouncer saw me, he would stop it, and if my coworkers saw me, they'd certainly say something about it. I mean, maybe in a club like SR where the "Celebrity Booths" have closed curtains. But in regular VIP? On the floor? How do you not get spotted? I would be mortified if I was doing this and someone saw me.

I couldn't do it. I only kiss boys I like for real romantically. Too personal.

I was at a club(SR) down here in South Florida and the dancer who gave the most extras was dating the manager. The other dancers hated her because she became the top earner of her shift. It's kind of hard when you have to be goody two shoes on the floor and your customer looks at the booth next to you and see's her doing a handjob, kissing or breast play. Why would he consider going to the vip room when he knows he can get more with her?

xdamage
09-06-2009, 11:36 PM
lots of good looking successful businessmen in their 30's come into my club and, here and there, i've made out in the CR. i don't do other extras, but apparently i'm a really great kisser and can keep guys back there for hours making out like its HS. i would never kiss a man i wasn't attracted to though and i don't have a boyfriend IRL.
i admit it :-*

I thanked your post because it's happened to me on just about every trip to Vegas where I've stopped in a SC (could be the suit is a factor, hmm) where a dancer tried to use the kissing thing... Some dancers do try to kiss. Reality.

This is honest and took balls (the metaphorical kind) to admit and risk a lot of flaming.

soslow2
09-07-2009, 12:49 AM
Wow, some real honesty in here. Despite expected attacks, I will post the following, because in fact every word is true. Look, I think why it works for certain dancers with select customers, especially when its a longer term thing, is that the dancer often can sense the guy is legitimately into her beauty and just her essence as a woman, and this gives it a romantic context, ok strange for a strip club, but it happens. He's not (necessarily) using it as a prelude to sex OTC or some other bullshit, its just him and her together now and then enjoying what they got for that moment in time. I don't know if other customers have had this situation, but in very rare cases, there can even be an exclusivity factor, by this I mean its even possible that not only is she not involved IRL with anyone, she's not even KISSING anyone else ITC or OTC. I'm not a monogamous person by nature, so while I didn't make any false claims of exclusivity to her in any regard, she did to me, and certain events and factors later proved her repeated claims to be 100% true. She was south american (you guess nationality) , a near hypnotic voice and accent, her son back in her home country, working like 6 to 8 shifts per week (yes true) in her very early 30's, very beautiful, and it took like 7 or 8 or more champagne room VIP type deals over a month or two to even get her to first kiss (which she then initiated all of a sudden) and I will tell you that that the first mouth to mouth kiss with her was incredible (ok the cynics can laugh) but I can also tell you I don't think she had kissed a guy in several years. This went on for almost a year too, and really worked out pretty well overall. Now and then us customers can in a sense hit the holy grail, its very much a matter of lucky timing often times, its just one of those odd things about strip clubs.

100% Right on target. I thank you for getting right to the core of what my opinion is regarding my similar experience. I enjoy the moments and don't think the whole thing is this evil experience contolled by the strippers. After all strippers are human too !

chris91
09-07-2009, 02:38 AM
lots of good looking successful businessmen in their 30's come into my club and, here and there, i've made out in the CR. i don't do other extras, but apparently i'm a really great kisser and can keep guys back there for hours making out like its HS. i would never kiss a man i wasn't attracted to though and i don't have a boyfriend IRL.
i admit it :-*

1. That's fucking gross.

2. You are fucking up the clean dancers money by offering a service that isn't supposed to be offered in a strip club. Now we are expected to kiss dudes, because girls like you do it before us. You're no better than the whores.

3. Gross.

chris91
09-07-2009, 02:48 AM
"You're just making stuff up." LOL, Chris, believe me, you've got to get out more. Live life a bit!!

Sure dude. You make out with a couple of stupid strippers and suddenly you have enough information to tell people that strippers kiss customers 10% of the time or 50% if you're a regular VIP. You're pulling those figures out of your ass.

I get out plenty. In fact, I've gotten out to strip clubs about 4 nights a week for the past 13 years. While you're lost in the captivating gaze of some whore, I'm paying attention to what everyone else is doing, so don't tell me that you know more than me about what strippers do 10% of the time.

Faye449
09-07-2009, 03:20 AM
I did a couple of shifts down at the coast over the summer here in the UK and on one of my shifts I saw this customer and OMG I fancied the pants off him. Seriously he was SO HOT I nearly dropped my drink. Had a chat with him and he seemed like a great guy. He was smart, funny and did I mention he was HOT?! We totally hit it off. Anyway, he asked me to dance for him, he had multiple songs from me and during the dancing he asked me if I ever kissed a customer, I said No. He asked me if I would kiss him and I said NO! He offered me his number and I said no! For gods sake he was a CUSTOMER! Admittedly a hot and smart and funny one but still a customer!

WiseGuy_TX
09-07-2009, 05:40 AM
100% Right on target. I thank you for getting right to the core of what my opinion is regarding my similar experience. I enjoy the moments and don't think the whole thing is this evil experience contolled by the strippers. After all strippers are human too !...sadly, you have been infected with stripe thrips too.


1. That's fucking gross.

2. You are fucking up the clean dancers money by offering a service that isn't supposed to be offered in a strip club. Now we are expected to kiss dudes, because girls like you do it before us. You're no better than the whores....Lets pass a law where dancers must wear chastity belts, masks, gloves and shoes to prevent extras. Yep, i said it, shoesssss.


I did a couple of shifts down at the coast over the summer here in the UK and on one of my shifts I saw this customer and OMG I fancied the pants off him. Seriously he was SO HOT I nearly dropped my drink. Had a chat with him and he seemed like a great guy. He was smart, funny and did I mention he was HOT?! We totally hit it off. Anyway, he asked me to dance for him, he had multiple songs from me and during the dancing he asked me if I ever kissed a customer, I said No. He asked me if I would kiss him and I said NO! He offered me his number and I said no! For gods sake he was a CUSTOMER! Admittedly a hot and smart and funny one but still a customer!...customers are just customers and strippers are just strippers and the rest of the world are homo sapiens. The stereotypes are regressing. :detective

xdamage
09-07-2009, 06:18 AM
1. That's fucking gross.

2. You are fucking up the clean dancers money by offering a service that isn't supposed to be offered in a strip club. Now we are expected to kiss dudes, because girls like you do it before us. You're no better than the whores.

3. Gross.

Not directed at you specifically Chris.. just general historical trend observations...

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One reason some of us older customers aren't as freaked that this happens is that we remember when SCs were about watching exotic dancers, no touching at all, and predicted that if touching was allowed, that in time the SCs would socially evolve into brothels. Is that already happening?

If you remember those days then you remember it really was just as gross to someone when dancers did the following things:

o Allowed customers to touch their bodies at all.

o Allowed customers to touch their breasts, butt, or worse.

o Touched customers through their clothes.

o Touched customers genitals through their clothes.

o The genital to genital grind.

o This is going to be a LONG list if you went through everyone's sense of gross. And believe me, there is a long list of people who feel/felt these things are/were gross.

The thing is today's definition of "clean" which often means high levels of grind, high levels of touching with clothes on would have been seen as gross and unbelievable if you rewound the hands of time 20 years. Just any new dancer entering the market today, who has no previous expectation, might think that today's lap dance is not gross because she has no previous expectation. But it didn't become like that over night.

In fact in some cities, like Vegas, most of what normal dancers are doing far exceeds what is legally allowed. It's just become the social normal because everyone is doing it to make money. But it didn't start out that way. It evolved over many years, increasing levels of contact, increasing pushing of the laws by customers who wanted more, pushing of laws by dancers are willing to do more to get money, management that looks the other way to increase their profits.

That is how us people are. Our sense of gross is dramatically affected by the time and place we are brought up in. And arguably any dancer working in a high contact club today is raising the overall society expected norms for dancers who would have preferred dancing had remained about dancing, not contact.

But one reason kissing may always be seen as "gross" is that in involves some potential fluid exchange, which is risky and could spread disease (aka, filthy). But I'm not sure you can really call her case gross though, at least no more so then people who date a lot, and kiss people they are attracted too (as she did say she only does this with men she might do this with outside of the club, she is single, and found them attractive).

It is true it ups the bar for what the next generation of customers will expect in SCs and messes with your income at this point in time in history, but if she is only kissing men she might kiss on casual dates anyway I don't particularly see her as any more/less likely to be spreading diseases then a casual dater type. It makes complete sense to be pissed about the potential loss of income, but two people really attracted to each other in any setting is not gross. You and I might say "but kissing for money?" but there are others who say "but heavy petting and grinding for money?" Why are we right and they wrong?

Of course kissing dancers is taking a big risk since there is no way to know how often a dancer does that and she might have kissed dozens of guys. Same with extras of various sorts, but I guess it goes back to the fact that when you put people together in private situations, where high levels of contact are allowed, on occasion it is going to happen that real chemistry can occur. If we don't want that to happen in SCs then we simply can't trust everyone to be on their best behavior. It requires enforcement, either from club owners, other dancers, or LE, otherwise people are going to do what people do.

princessjas
09-07-2009, 07:35 AM
^^Just want to point out that many of the 30+ dancers don't do those things during laps. Even at the heavy grind clubs I've worked at I didn't usually do much grinding. Why not? Because I started at a time when dances were all about seduction, not "genital to gential" grinding as you put it. Long silky hair in your face, breathing in your ear, trailing my fingernails lightly up your neck, etc. It seems to work very well, as at every club I've worked at the older dancers were by FAR the most popular...as well as the cleanest. You really don't have to be a whore to do well dancing, it's just easier, which is why many younger girls do it. Sheer damn laziness. Which of course, pisses of the clean dancers. Same as it would if your coworkers were somehow causing your clients to have unsavory expectations (possibly illegal) of you through there own laziness.

xdamage
09-07-2009, 11:20 AM
^^Just want to point out that many of the 30+ dancers don't do those things during laps. Even at the heavy grind clubs I've worked at I didn't usually do much grinding. Why not? Because I started at a time when dances were all about seduction, not "genital to gential" grinding as you put it. Long silky hair in your face, breathing in your ear, trailing my fingernails lightly up your neck, etc. It seems to work very well, as at every club I've worked at the older dancers were by FAR the most popular...as well as the cleanest. You really don't have to be a whore to do well dancing, it's just easier, which is why many younger girls do it. Sheer damn laziness. Which of course, pisses of the clean dancers. Same as it would if your coworkers were somehow causing your clients to have unsavory expectations (possibly illegal) of you through there own laziness.

Yet another reason I like over 30 dancers ;) The gentle seduction is HOT. I really don't like the crude grind, but it's the only trick some dancers know because it's what they grew up with. The older dancers remember that light contact here and there and a seductive way use to be enough, we loved it.

johnnytwoshoes
09-07-2009, 11:20 AM
I have never seen this I think for a couple of reasons:

(1) Dancers often munch on snacks and chips in the strip club and I don't think customers want to taste cheetos when they visit.

(2) Dancers are aware that some customers don't have teeth and vice versa. No one wants gum.

JayATee
09-07-2009, 01:16 PM
I have never seen this I think for a couple of reasons:

(1) Dancers often munch on snacks and chips in the strip club and I don't think customers want to taste cheetos when they visit.



Umm yeah so, that's like totally what breath mints are for. What planet are you from? Honestly.... ::)

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Chris says "Sure dude. You make out with a couple of stupid strippers " LOL
Just to fill you in, its approx 20 to 25 different dancers just over the past several years, all willingly engaged in real deal type kissing (no "pecks" bullshit) and of these maybe 4 or 5 account for 95% of all of it, but in terms of sessions (counting each champagne room) its in the 200 to 250 range easily, every one of these 4 or 5 hot or super hot. The fact is while the vast majority of dancers probabably don't kiss, the ones that do are making up for it, and I know this personally to be true.

Phil-W
09-07-2009, 01:57 PM
^^^

And what have these kisses cost you in financial terms?

I'll bet they don't work out cheap.

Phil.

JayATee
09-07-2009, 02:05 PM
Chris says "Sure dude. You make out with a couple of stupid strippers " LOL
Just to fill you in, its approx 20 to 25 different dancers just over the past several years, all willingly engaged in real deal type kissing (no "pecks" bullshit) and of these maybe 4 or 5 account for 95% of all of it, but in terms of sessions (counting each champagne room) its in the 200 to 250 range easily, every one of these 4 or 5 hot or super hot. The fact is while the vast majority of dancers probabably don't kiss, the ones that do are making up for it, and I know this personally to be true.


Actually she said quite a bit more than that, not sure if it was too much for you to read in one sitting or not. You're on a site FOR STRIPPERS. You think you know more about what goes on than we do? We work in a SC. You are a PATRON. Regardless of what you see or what you may have done, you don't know more than we do.

And btw, "super hot" is your opinion so that observation is meaningless. If you need to pay girls to make out with you than more power to you, but for the rest of us, as it's already been said 100x's, it's disgusting and we don't like extras ITC. It fucks with the clean girls money. So all you're doing, by insisting that most of us kiss is continuing to piss off the dancer population here. Like I said, believe what you want, but your personal experiences do not make your "numbers" factual or accurate.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 02:44 PM
I have never seen this I think for a couple of reasons:

(1) Dancers often munch on snacks and chips in the strip club and I don't think customers want to taste cheetos when they visit.

(2) Dancers are aware that some customers don't have teeth and vice versa. No one wants gum.


LOL, yeah, that's totally why. If it wasn't for the fact that I walk around with cheeto crumbs in my mouth, and the fact that so many of my customers are without teeth or dentures, I'd totally be sucking tongue all night with random dudes.

::)

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 03:58 PM
LOL @ Elvias post...

Jay, I don't think he's saying that "most" dancers do it, he's saying that in his experience there are girls that do, and more than some members imply, and that they're not necessarily the "usual" bottom-feeder extras girls doing these things because they can't make money otherwise.

WestCoast - why you're pushing the issue after making your point IDK, you've made your point, some have acknowledged it, there's not a lot more to be said. All you're doing is pissing off the girls that don't like the fact that it happens because it changes expectations for dancers that don't do it - a VERY valid point - by continuing to restate your stories.

xdamage
09-07-2009, 04:07 PM
lol, yeah, that's totally why. If it wasn't for the fact that i walk around with cheeto crumbs in my mouth, and the fact that so many of my customers are without teeth or dentures, i'd totally be sucking tongue all night with random dudes.

::)

haha ;d

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 04:18 PM
JayATee says "So all you're doing, by insisting that most of us kiss is continuing to piss off the dancer population here."

The topic in fact is "making out with strippers" and all my posts relate directly to that subject.

Where did i say MOST dancers kiss?

here's my original statement: "To answer the original question, it depends, I would guess its about 10% overall, but its not going to be random one-time dances but instead VIP rooms where the money is in $100 to $300 range, higher percentage if you become a regular of sorts with the dancer (e.g at least 5 to 10 more VIP rooms over a few months) maybe 50% in that case"

Since you insist in cutting short the debate by claiming all knowledge on this subject lies only in dancers, I must tell you in this particular instance I DO know alot more than you, and its precisely because I am a partron and you are not, and its me not you buying dances with literally hundreds of different strippers, and visiting many many different clubs in multiple states over a number of years.

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 04:20 PM
"there's not a lot more to be said." please have the moderator shut down the thread then, OK?

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 04:23 PM
If you, as the OP, believe it should me closed, than I imagine it shall be.

I wasn't jumping on you dude, merely pointing out that all the discussion that's going to happen on the topic has pretty much been had.

Of course, if we can find a wy to relate this to healthcare and patriotism, it could go on for like, pages and pages... :P

Elvia
09-07-2009, 04:26 PM
^^^ he's not the op

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 04:27 PM
Wow - good call - I suck at this game, lol.

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 04:32 PM
"And what have these kisses cost you in financial terms?" Irrelevant amounts to me, and lets just leave it at that.

hockeybobby
09-07-2009, 04:35 PM
You're all banned, and this thread is closed.

I'm the decider.

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 04:40 PM
Greentea is the OP not me but as expected the topic incites posters who confuse explanation with advocacy. In fact I don't advocate that dancers should kiss patrons, however certain dancers enage in this from time to time, some on a very limited basis, and since they do now and then I will take advantage of it. Maybe that means I am going to hell, I don't know, but there's alot worse things to worry about in life.

mediocrity
09-07-2009, 04:44 PM
No one ever responded to my question about how they get away with it.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 04:45 PM
however in 3 or 4 cases where I was an ongoing reg at some level and, some really did get into it, the reason being though its personal to them, its not degrading like taking them OTC to fuck them with dollar exchanging hands, and can even have a romance spin, even though all ITC. You would be very very surpised at how many even hot dancers get into this. Lots of this as I said is a matter of timing, ideally when they're not tied up with a real deal outside.

What a classic SW sentiment- it wasn't about the money! She did it because we had such a connection!

WestCoast101
09-07-2009, 05:13 PM
Elvia, not all dancers have the utter contempt and bitterness towards customers I see repeatedly in many of your posts, and if they did, I wouldn't even bother with strip clubs. By the way, nowhere did i state money wasn't the major factor in a dancer-customer interactions. (THAT'S WHY THEY ARE WORKING) , but to tell you the truth, IRL with very hot women, money is nearly always a factor too, of course in a more indirect way, however with alot more strings and complications attached also.

The topic happens to be kissing, and no dancer has to engage in it to perform her job, so there are in fact various motivations beyond the obviously most important one: earning money - that can become part of the equation.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 05:23 PM
I don't have contempt for my customers (the majority anyway- the nice ones who behave themselves) I'm just not as "into them" as they so often believe. Come on- it isn't a big secret that most of us feel that way, and that it's our job to make you feel special. Every night I have guys saying "you're really enjoying yourself, aren't you?" during a dance. Or, looking into my eyes with a dreamy look on their face during conversation and saying "you really like me, don't you?" In truth- I'm not as into it as they think. Not by a long shot. In fact, I'm probably wondering if I should pick up milk from the plaid on the way home, or mentally calculating how much more I have to make to make my goal.

No, no dancer has to kiss a customer. It's just one of many techniques she may or may not employ to make you feel special and keep you spending and coming back.

Elvia
09-07-2009, 05:25 PM
No one ever responded to my question about how they get away with it.

I wonder that too. I would assume it would have to be a club with a very private vip, or where that kind of thing is just accepted. I'm glad I've never encountered it!

WiseGuy_TX
09-07-2009, 05:36 PM
I have never seen this I think for a couple of reasons:

(1) Dancers often munch on snacks and chips in the strip club and I don't think customers want to taste cheetos when they visit.

(2) Dancers are aware that some customers don't have teeth and vice versa. No one wants gum....you've been spending too much time down at Dream Girls.

http://i28.tinypic.com/2qwn5w1.jpg

princessjas
09-07-2009, 05:44 PM
^^OH GOD!! Did you have to? MY EYES!! Eek!!

JayATee
09-07-2009, 07:04 PM
As I've said before, Westcoast, your posts make me sick. Im stepping out of this thread now.

Almost Jaded
09-07-2009, 08:48 PM
Wiseguy - I hate you. That which has been seen cannot be unseen. I now have that image taking up a tiny bit of space in my brain that could have been used for ANYTHING else. Or just been left empty. We'll never know. Because now that image is there. Thanks. :mad:

xdamage
09-08-2009, 05:35 AM
...you've been spending too much time down at Dream Girls.

:O I... :O wow...

bem401
09-08-2009, 05:42 AM
Of course, if we can find a wy to relate this to healthcare and patriotism, it could go on for like, pages and pages... :P

Well, I dunno, maybe there is a clause somewhere in the bill for the ramifications of kissing strangers.

Phil-W
09-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Elvia, not all dancers have the utter contempt and bitterness towards customers I see repeatedly in many of your posts, and if they did, I wouldn't even bother with strip clubs.

Strip venues are a very artifical environment - in that the dancer very often has to feign interest in/liking for a customer in order to earn a living. And if they're good, you'll never know its an act.

Similarly, this website is also a very artifical environment - dancers, secure in their anonymity, can vent about customers. If you take into account that dancers are venting about a minority of their customers, I think this site is an accurate reflection of what dancers privately think.

I don't think dancers have "utter contempt and bitterness" toward a majority of customers - but IMHO - they sure do towards the more moronic ones.

Similarly, although dancers can get to like a goodly number of their customers, they still remain in the mental pigeon hole of 'customer' - someone they earn money from at work and forget about outside of it.

And no matter how much kissing goes on, ask for a kiss and suggest you won't pay for it - see how far that gets you.....

The wiser denizens of strip venues realise that they're paying for entertainment - and go on that basis. The less wise cherish notions that the financial motive does not loom large.

Phil.

laurcon
09-08-2009, 02:36 PM
okay, the kissing stripper is back.
first off, i "get away with it" because i do it maybe like once every 2 or 3 months with a guy i've been back in a private-closed door room for a few hours and he's paying about $1000/hr, $500 of which goes to the club so i doubt my manager cares too much about kissing.
also, i doubt me kissing a guy after he's already in a room with me is taking money out of anyone else's pocket. i don't tell guys "hey if you take me back i'll kiss you!" and many girls at my club use coke and sex to get those rooms. not that i EVER said i was better than a "whore", i only mentioned that kissing is the only "extra" i do, so its not like my mouth has been anywhere else besides my drink. the guy i end up kissing has been with me for a few hours before i do so he can see what i'm doing.
now for me, i can't see making out with a guy during a dance or anything, but i also don't see how it affects me. i don't see customers starting to expect kissing from dancers and refusing to spend money on them otherwise. i just don't think guys would want to kiss random girls like that. i really don't see kissing as any threat. /:O

princessjas
09-08-2009, 03:03 PM
^^You REALLY don't think that after you make out with them they are going to flat out ask the next girl beforehand? Or at the very least expect it and bitch when it doesn't happen in VIP and therefore not buy additional hours....Worst case which I have experienced is having a drunk guy get so angry because I wouldn't make out with him, as another dancer had previously done, that he assaulted me. Held me down and tried to force it and slapped me when I tried to push him off of me. You ARE affecting other girls money and their safety as well.

yoda57us
09-08-2009, 03:29 PM
No one ever responded to my question about how they get away with it.

Honestly it's not that hard. I can only speak for the clubs I go to which are primarily medium to heavy contact. A dancer and a customer sucking face is not an every day common occurrence but it's not all that unusual either. Logistically if a girl has a mind to do it she will find a way.

I'm not passing judgment either way, under the right conditions I've done just about everything that most dancers won't do or at least admit to doing in a strip club. I've also recoiled in horror when dancers tried to do it to me when I wasn't expecting it or looking for it from that particular lady.

laurcon
09-08-2009, 04:12 PM
^^You REALLY don't think that after you make out with them they are going to flat out ask the next girl beforehand? Or at the very least expect it and bitch when it doesn't happen in VIP and therefore not buy additional hours....Worst case which I have experienced is having a drunk guy get so angry because I wouldn't make out with him, as another dancer had previously done, that he assaulted me. Held me down and tried to force it and slapped me when I tried to push him off of me. You ARE affecting other girls money and their safety as well.

no i don't and if my kissing is a threat, what about blowjobs and coke?? people work in different clubs with different atmospheres. i've absolutely helped girls money before and will in the future by bringing them back in the room with me and my guy. we help each other all the time at my club.
i'm sorry that experience happened to you. i'm surprised there were no warning signs. i feel like there's no way that any of the 6 or so customers i've ever kissed would act that way. They were complete gentlemen and it was totally my choice to kiss them.
i see my customers as human sometimes and like them, and really have a good time hanging out with them, having them spend thousands on me, and the champagne takes effect and i just kiss them. i just can't see how these guys would expect the same connection from another girl, and if they got it, i don't see how they wouldn't be respectful about her choice to kiss him or not. i guess i've just been lucky and haven't been around of scumbags so perhaps i'm naive.
i love my co-workers and wouldn't want to harm them, its just hard not to give a guy you like a kiss when you know what else is going on in other rooms :-\

JayATee
09-08-2009, 04:18 PM
its just hard not to give a guy you like a kiss when you know what else is going on in other rooms :-\

I have to say, Ive never found it difficult to not kiss my customers. A peck on the cheek after a dance? Sure. Have there been guys Im attracted to? Of course. But I wouldn't make out with them bc Im at work and for me I feel it's unprofessional, regardless of what the other girls do. Im not judging you though. But I had to comment on this last sentence.

laurcon
09-08-2009, 04:29 PM
no that's true jay and i totally agree, it is unprofessional and because i have "good intentions" or whatev, doesn't make it right at all. it is still an extra and outside of my job. i just got defensive for a moment but stepping back i agree with most of the comments. it definitely can affect other people, as well as myself, and i will try to think about that a little more in the future.

chris91
09-08-2009, 04:42 PM
okay, the kissing stripper is back.
first off, i "get away with it" because i do it maybe like once every 2 or 3 months with a guy i've been back in a private-closed door room for a few hours and he's paying about $1000/hr, $500 of which goes to the club so i doubt my manager cares too much about kissing.
also, i doubt me kissing a guy after he's already in a room with me is taking money out of anyone else's pocket. i don't tell guys "hey if you take me back i'll kiss you!" and many girls at my club use coke and sex to get those rooms. not that i EVER said i was better than a "whore", i only mentioned that kissing is the only "extra" i do, so its not like my mouth has been anywhere else besides my drink. the guy i end up kissing has been with me for a few hours before i do so he can see what i'm doing.
now for me, i can't see making out with a guy during a dance or anything, but i also don't see how it affects me. i don't see customers starting to expect kissing from dancers and refusing to spend money on them otherwise. i just don't think guys would want to kiss random girls like that. i really don't see kissing as any threat. /:O

It doesn't matter if you tell them you'll kiss them beforehand. That guy makes out with you, and then he comes to my club expecting the same thing. Maybe he asks for it straight up and goes looking elsewhere when I say no. Maybe he tries to kiss me in vip and decides not to tip me or renew the hour when I say no.

The things you do in the club do affect your co-workers. If you weren't an extras girl already, then I'm sure you'd notice the increase in guys who expect extras instead of just hoping for them. Those expectations come from meeting strippers like you.