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Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 12:19 AM
You're clueless and it would be appreciated if you would stop arguing with us just to prove that you're a PL of the worst kind.
Have you put on weight? :O
Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 12:25 AM
Earl, if you are ever in New Orleans, come see me. Bring your wallet, and I will give you the beat down that you so clearly desire.
I have been to Leesville LA; it makes Newark look like the cultural center of the civilized world.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 12:31 AM
I don't think that is universally true. I think some like it the way it is, but many have said they wished there were more clubs that required less contact (or none).
Less or on contact in high price private dance rooms. In the old stage shows customers did not get within 20 feet of the entertainers. It is obvious that the money is made by the Champagne Hustle in the VIP rooms.
It has been stated before and I'll say it again; 85% of today's dancers would be out of a job if they had to do what the entertainers did in the days of true show business.
xdamage
09-10-2009, 06:21 AM
Less or on contact in high price private dance rooms. In the old stage shows customers did not get within 20 feet of the entertainers. It is obvious that the money is made by the Champagne Hustle in the VIP rooms.
It has been stated before and I'll say it again; 85% of today's dancers would be out of a job if they had to do what the entertainers did in the days of true show business.
Well, in the old days it worked because fewer women danced (the stigma level was far higher then it was today). Not only do many women not tell their family today they strip, but back then stripper was more or less thought of as dirty like a prostitute is still often referred too today. Also there wasn't internet/cable porn, and society had no higher expectations of contact.
In the old days personality was not a big factor, though connecting with customers with the eyes and body motions mattered, but really the main thing was almost nobody wanted the job for any money (just as few today want the job of porn star or prostitute, regardless of the money).
I do think the old stage show thing could work, but only if clubs hired 6-8 beautiful (stunning) women per shift. Otherwise the money would be split too thin. That sounds idyllic, as long as you are one of the 6-8 hired. If you are one of the hundreds out of a job (who would have a shot in a club today if you can afford the house fees) that would be pretty sucky.
To some degree you can't rewind the hands of time, and it could be that long term SCs cannot survive or at least not thrive. That our society is also headed the way of the Dutch, increasingly sexually liberal, eventually legalized prostitution in multiple forms, could end up with SCs becoming a dying business model.
princessjas
09-10-2009, 07:37 AM
Well, in the old days it worked because fewer women danced (the stigma level was far higher then it was today). Not only do many women not tell their family today they strip, but back then stripper was more or less thought of as dirty like a prostitute is still often referred too today. Also there wasn't internet/cable porn, and society had no higher expectations of contact.
In the old days personality was not a big factor, though connecting with customers with the eyes and body motions mattered, but really the main thing was almost nobody wanted the job for any money (just as few today want the job of porn star or prostitute, regardless of the money).
I do think the old stage show thing could work, but only if clubs hired 6-8 beautiful (stunning) women per shift. Otherwise the money would be split too thin. That sounds idyllic, as long as you are one of the 6-8 hired. If you are one of the hundreds out of a job (who would have a shot in a club today if you can afford the house fees) that would be pretty sucky.
To some degree you can't rewind the hands of time, and it could be that long term SCs cannot survive or at least not thrive. That our society is also headed the way of the Dutch, increasingly sexually liberal, eventually legalized prostitution in multiple forms, could end up with SCs becoming a dying business model.
As I've said over and over again on here, my first club was oldschool like that. Most girls made nearly all (there were laps, but they were rare and HEAVILY monitored) their money on stage and there were only 6-8 dancers per shift. Hiring standards were very, very high and you not only had to be stunning, but you also had to be unique. They only usually had 2 blondes, 2 brunettes, 1 redhead and 1 black-haired girl per shift. Stigma was high but we still had numerous girls a week get turned away.
Unfortunately, it was shut down around 5-6 years ago. :'( One thing though, personality absolutely DID matter. Much more than in todays clubs. We socialized with customers between sets and they seemed to be after more of a connection with the dancer while today they are after a quick sexual thrill.
Damn, I just dated myself with this post huh? lol Anyway that was back in the early-mid 90's and in a rural area. Most clubs had already started to change, but men would drive hundreds of miles past those higher contact clubs to come to this tiny little place where there was little contact and the girls all wore gowns, jewelry and updos etc. So maybe there would be a market for that sort of club. Hard to tell, but it certainly did better than most higher milage clubs back then. Maybe long-term reputation? Maybe something else that men enjoyed about that kind of setting?
SerenaSin
09-10-2009, 08:04 AM
I would never ever make out with a customer- though some have forcibly tried to do that to me. It's horrible. Ugh, having to fight off a disgusting little wet tongue attached to some random creep who doesn't understand boundaries and consent :(
The main reasons why I wouldn't are:
-I have a bf
-I don't wanna swap body fluids for $$, plus I make enough to not be desperate enough to do so. If I really didn't mind that sort of arrangement I would get into escorting
-I'm not physically or romantically attracted to the guys I dance for
-we have cameras in the LD rooms and I would LOSE MY JOB
-a kiss is too personal
-it raises the unreasonable expectations of customers and therefore screws up my (and the other girls') money
-it might spread around the club and cause shit-talking and drama amongst the other girls
-it's an easy way to spread germs. I don't just mean serious stuff like mono and herpes, even colds and flu and other little things that would keep me out of work and therefore losing $$
xdamage
09-10-2009, 08:05 AM
Damn, I just dated myself with this post huh? lol Anyway that was back in the early-mid 90's and in a rural area.
Unfortunately I'm a bit older still ;)
My first SC experience was in the early 80s in California. Pretty liberal place right? But even a decade before the mid-90s, lap dances hadn't started in CA. SCs were simple then. 6-8 women danced on stages, literally "stripped" removing more clothes between/during songs. Nobody touched anyone. The dancers were a good 10-20ft from the customers. We bought drinks. Mostly everyone sat near the stage and tipped $1s. It wasn't a huge amount of money but with 20 some guys tipping, and the pie split between 6-8 women they did okay I think. My friend was an addict and went constantly. I rarely - couldn't afford it.
It was late 80s when my friend got married. We went to a SC in Denver. We were amazed that the stage allowed a little interaction with the dancers. Instead of distances of 10-20 feet, distances of 2-3 feet, and some dancers would lean over the rail and touch customers. I mean teasing, their ties, their hair, etc. But even in CA this touching was not happening. This club had 10-12 dancers. Still no lap dances here.
It was early 90s when I went back to CA for the first time after years, and we went to a club down in San Diego. For the first time I had a "private dance" which mean up close, watching, but no touching, sort of. The dancer slipped in a bit of random brushing (see the slippery slope?). This club had 20+ dancers.
And that is how it has gone all along. More dancers, increasing levels of contact, a slow slide into hundreds of dancers and high levels of grind. Oh not everywhere all at once, but as newer generations of people are born, their expectations start with today's "norms", they push a bit further, their sense of stigma taught from a previous generation that upped the bar a bit, and so on.
Could it go back to the way it was? Hmm... maybe. But if a club hired only 6-8 dancers per shift that sounds great if you are one of the 6-8. But if you are one of the hundreds not hired? No chance to make money because someone doesn't like a small thing about your look or mannerisms? Does it still sound great?
There are always trade offs.
princessjas
09-10-2009, 08:19 AM
Could it go back to the way it was? Hmm... maybe. But if a club hired only 6-8 dancers per shift that sounds great if you are one of the 6-8. But if you are one of the hundreds not hired? No chance to make money because someone doesn't like a small thing about your look or mannerisms? Does it still sound great?
There are always trade offs.
Still sounds great to me! ;D Of course my dancing career is basically over and back then I handily got hired at these high-end type clubs.
But the 2-3 feet away with an occassional brushing of hair or cheek, yep that was what I started with...and as for money, I made $300-$400 a night on average. Two nights a week, 1 weekday and 1 weekend always made me the $700 a week I needed for expenses with some leftover. Some girls did much better than me cause I was a dumb newbie. So, yeah, I'd go back to that. If I couldn't get hired...well then I shouldn't be in the business anyway. It's all about looks and should get back to that imo. ;)
jack0177057
09-10-2009, 08:32 AM
It's unique though because no other job has you sharing your body with others in this same way. Working harder, agreed, everyone needs to do so to compete. Allowing people to use your body like a sexual jungle gym is not really about expecting people to work harder as much as it is expecting them to lose their sense of personal limits which few of us would tolerate.
Yes, I am aware of that... I am not saying that being a lawyer, CPA, etc. is the same as being a dancer. I realize that I am not asked to take my clothes off for my clients.
The only thing I am saying is that many of us are pressured by clients or employers to do things that are inappropriate and downright illegal... Obvious the particulars may be different -- but, either way, you can end up in jail, and then violated in jail. I've been there -- not jail, but under tremendous pressure to do something that could cost me my career and my freedom. I walked away from a very lucrative, but dangerous, situation and it took me years to recover financially. But, the people I worked with did eventually get caught and go to jail for a long time (longer than any sentence for a prostitution charge).
I get something like this all the time:
Client: I want to do X.
Me: You can't, that's illegal.
Client: Find me a loophole in the law.
Me: There is no loophole.
Client: What good are you if you can't find me a loophole? Your job is to find me a loophole. I've seen other people do X.
Me: Those people are in a different situation, because of A,B and C.
Client: Oh yeah, I'm in that situation, too.
Me: No, you're not.
Client: Yes, I am. I want to do X.
A few years later -- Client says to the DA or IRS Criminal Investigator: What, this is illegal?!!! My lawyer told me I could do it!
xdamage
09-10-2009, 08:37 AM
Still sounds great to me! ;D Of course my dancing career is basically over and back then I handily got hired at these high-end type clubs.
But the 2-3 feet away with an occassional brushing of hair or cheek, yep that was what I started with...and as for money, I made $300-$400 a night on average. Two nights a week, 1 weekday and 1 weekend always made me the $700 a week I needed for expenses with some leftover. Some girls did much better than me cause I was a dumb newbie. So, yeah, I'd go back to that. If I couldn't get hired...well then I shouldn't be in the business anyway. It's all about looks and should get back to that imo. ;)
I like your attitude. I don't know if everyone would support it if it meant losing their jobs, but sure making it about looks again and less touch could work if the business model was changed.
xdamage
09-10-2009, 08:46 AM
The only thing I am saying is that many of us are pressured by clients or employers to do things that are inappropriate and downright illegal...
Understood. It is similar, but not quite the same.
The process of becoming a lawyer is rigorous enough (on top of which you are studying the matter of law) that in theory lawyers do have a pretty clear understanding about what they are choosing. Of course your temptation level is higher because the amount of money involved is often greater.
And I know, ignorance is no excuse, but since the majority of people do use it as an excuse, to some degree the truth is more gray then that. While it is not an excuse, it is a reality that factors into understanding humans. Many dancers are younger, many have no formal law training, many don't even know the local ordinances that govern dancing where they work, but then most of us who take on jobs as young people don't know most of the laws about our business. We trust the business owner to take care of figuring that out and guiding us, or enforcing us. Dancers are often classified as ICs but not all are rigorous business owners; many just show up and learn as they go. And what happens is they look around, see what each other is doing and... try to find the norm. If the norm is too much for them they quit. Otherwise the adapt and make money.
Like I said, really if you looked at the local ordinances in the town where you go to a SC it is kind of scary how many prohibit touching of any sort, or sexual arousal, and that both dancers and customers could be held responsible. Just most of the time nobody cares. It is a mostly victimless crime. The dancers are pissed for the sexual limits bar being raised requiring them to engage in greater levels of contact to compete, but not so much because the city laws are being broken or because they have to work harder.
I've made out with 3 strippers, ever, since i started doing this.
Girls here in Dallas are way more likely to put their nipples in your mouth then their tongues.
I've had about a 20% success rate as far as getting mouth-boob action. And this is included in the standard $20. Hand-boob action success rate here, FWIW is about 50-60%
Actual kissing is FAR more rare.
WHERE????? Tell me, I'll come see you, and you'll get a 100% stiletto to head success rate.
bigbangburrito
09-10-2009, 09:05 AM
I'll confess that I'm not an angel. I let most big spenders touch my ass and breasts. There have been a few customers which I found attractive. I even kissed a regular once. The clubs down here have a lot of extras. Any dancer who wants to stay in business will at least allow some touching. I'm not cheating my fellow dancer. I'm working along side her and extras is part of our job. Sad but true. I only expect her to keep the hardcore stuff in the vip where it's between her and her customer.
As for making out with a customer. If you are doing it after just a few dances, then odds are that's how she makes money. You are just an ATM to her. I don't care if Brad Pitt's twin came in, I would not make out with him. Now, if he kept coming back and we made a connection, it would be hard to resist.
There are purists on here who like to believe we are masters of the fantasy. The truth is that we are humans working a job like any other. The workplace is the number one place where people find partners. Sometimes a prisonguard finds love with a prisoner. Sometimes a priest falls for a nun. And believe it or not, sometimes a stripper makes out with a customer.
princessjas
09-10-2009, 09:06 AM
WHERE????? Tell me, I'll come see you, and you'll get a 100% stiletto to head success rate.
:rotfl: You are now one of my favoritist people! ;D
yoda57us
09-10-2009, 09:35 AM
I have been to Leesville LA; it makes Newark look like the cultural center of the civilized world.
I was born in Leesville ("The armpit of the army") LA. New Orleans is nothing like Leesville Earl.
jack0177057
09-10-2009, 10:48 AM
It is a mostly victimless crime.
I think that JayATee and PrincessJas are saying otherwise... If I understand them, they are saying that other dancers become victims because of the expectations and demands placed upon them...
Almost Jaded
09-10-2009, 11:11 AM
And really, they are right.
X has talked about the changes in the business over the years, and it's the phenomenon Jay, PJ, and others are talking about that is responsible.
I still LIKE it when strippers get "friendly", even though I recognize the issue. Hey - I'm a guy. They're hot. Duh. :rolleyes: On the other hand, if a girl that's new to me gets like that right away, I lose interest real fast.
We're all hypocrites in one way or another I guess.
princessjas
09-10-2009, 11:18 AM
And really, they are right.
X has talked about the changes in the business over the years, and it's the phenomenon Jay, PJ, and others are talking about that is responsible.
I still LIKE it when strippers get "friendly", even though I recognize the issue. Hey - I'm a guy. They're hot. Duh. :rolleyes: On the other hand, if a girl that's new to me gets like that right away, I lose interest real fast.
We're all hypocrites in one way or another I guess.
And that would be why I've never done anything shady to the recepient of any extras I've observed. Just reported the dancer that should know better. What can I say, I expect better of women. }:D
xdamage
09-10-2009, 12:22 PM
I think that JayATee and PrincessJas are saying otherwise... If I understand them, they are saying that other dancers become victims because of the expectations and demands placed upon them...
They are. The other dancers are victims of unfair competition, but also need to be careful not to themselves violate local laws or they are also contributors as well to the general problem.
But the laws that are being written by the legislators, the politicians and considered by the people really don't care about that aspect. That two dancers are in competition is not what is going to sway law makers. The laws, if they are changed, will revolve around matters like human rights to choose, what is safest, etc. If they do change to allow for brothels, more contact, etc. those changes will happen regardless of the fact that some dancers will lose business.
When I said victimless I meant that our laws prohibiting prostitution are mostly protecting us from a crime of two consenting adults. Sans the business competition issue, that is the matter that is most likely to move people to change their feelings about the laws.
stressed
09-10-2009, 01:01 PM
I was born in Leesville ("The armpit of the army") LA. New Orleans is nothing like Leesville Earl.
Are you talking about SLEAZEville....lol Spent many a day at fort polk.
Phil-W
09-10-2009, 01:23 PM
My take on this - most dancers are relaxed about nudity (they wouldn't do the job if they weren't!) However, many do not like physical contact.
The problem comes when money gets short, either through macro-economics (i.e. a recession) or micro-economics (manager can't run the club properly).
With too little money to be divvyed up amongst the dancers a sort of arms race takes place. Dancers find that allowing a bit of extra contact lets them earn a bit more money. The extra money lasts as long as it takes the other dancers to compete in the higher contact stakes, then earnings even out again. Then the whole thing starts again - with an even higher level of contact being offered to try and maintain better than average earnings.
So unfortunately there's a mechanism which drives dancers toward higher and higher levels of contact.
I suspect if you're a dancer, that's not a very pleasant prospect.
Phil.
JayATee
09-10-2009, 03:44 PM
If dancers offering extras at your club leads to you being assaulted, then I'll agree with you that it shouldn't happen.
Of course, it is a very competitive business. Whether its extras or just more "contact", someone is always going to be willing to do a little more to get the customers. Maybe a girl is less pretty, a little bigger or a little older, and she has to develop other skillsets to compete with the younger, thinner and better looking set. Or maybe she is just more aggressive and competitive. Competition is also the "beauty of living in a free country".
Ugh, this is what makes me want to call you names! It's irrelevant! All those things you list do not justify extras! And they certainly don't make them ok. WTF is wrong with you?! It's not competitiveness, it's rigging the game.
Cyril
09-10-2009, 04:50 PM
When guys come to me wanting a dance after some girl last week sucked him off in the back room and all I do is dance that guy is never going to come back to me for a dance, and he's not going to want to pay me what I am owed
It seems like you are afraid of competition. What is wrong with let the best woman win ideology?
In my humble opinion, kissing is such a nice way to express your affection for someone provided you are not doing that strange GFE thing. If you truly feel affectionately towards your customer, I do not see why you should not proceed and kiss him as long as you are fully clothed and not violating any county, city or state laws.
laurcon
09-10-2009, 04:55 PM
when i saw cyril posted on this thread my stomach turned and after reading his post, of course, i could hardly hold back vomiting. can someone tell me how to ignore, i really can't take it anymore :covereyes
JayATee
09-10-2009, 05:11 PM
^ Yes go up to the top of the page and click my settings. About halfway down in the left hand column you will see "edit ignore list".
Trust me, this function is your friend. I have no idea what he wrote, I refuse to look, but if necessary, also feel free to report him yet again. Maybe something will actually happen to him this time.
princessjas
09-10-2009, 05:18 PM
Ugh, this is what makes me want to call you names! It's irrelevant! All those things you list do not justify extras! And they certainly don't make them ok. WTF is wrong with you?! It's not competitiveness, it's rigging the game.
Exactly! If you can't compete with your looks and hustle get the hell out of the business. It's not for everyone. Sorry as bad as some may think it sounds, I think we can all agree that looks matter a hell of a lot in this business.
Cyril
09-10-2009, 05:37 PM
It is unfortunate that we are classifying kissing as extra. Kissing is definitely not extra and it is certainly not an "ugly woman's game".
Here is what I consider extra:
- Lap Dances
- BJs
- HJs
- Sex in the VIP
- Etc.
I am deeply disturbed by the attempts of some folks to demonize kissing which is a beautiful form of human expression.
JayATee
09-10-2009, 05:47 PM
It is unfortunate that we are classifying kissing as extra. Kissing is definitely not extra and it is certainly not an "ugly woman's game".
Here is what I consider extra:
- Lap Dances
- BJs
- HJs
- Sex in the VIP
- Etc.
I am deeply disturbed by the attempts of some folks to demonize kissing which is a beautiful form of human expression.
Kissing is an extra bc it's outside the scope of our jobs. Our job is to DANCE for you. No one cares what disturbs you. Once again, since you don't know the business you have no idea what the hell you're talking about so shut up. ::)
Cyril
09-10-2009, 05:54 PM
Kissing is an extra bc it's outside the scope of our jobs. Our job is to DANCE for you. No one cares what disturbs you. Once again, since you don't know the business you have no idea what the hell you're talking about so shut up. ::)
You are missing the point. I am not saying that strippers must kiss their PLs as if it were part of their "job". All I am saying is, there is nothing wrong with a stripper kissing a PL if she feels affection towards him. Kissing is such a wonderful way of expressing your affection towards someone. Therefore it distresses me to no end when I see folks demonizing it.
pogocat
09-10-2009, 06:06 PM
I hope all the cheap strippers start making out and take the cheap guys that want that out of my way. I'll be in champagne not having to do this for my money.
Oh and make sure to go home and give your significant other and kids a big kiss too. They'll really appreciate that.
JayATee
09-10-2009, 06:08 PM
You are missing the point. I am not saying that strippers must kiss their PLs as if it were part of their "job". All I am saying is, there is nothing wrong with a stripper kissing a PL if she feels affection towards him. Kissing is such a wonderful way of expressing your affection towards someone. Therefore it distresses me to no end when I see folks demonizing it.
No you're missing the point. And since it's been told to you 100x's and said 100x's in this thread alone I'm not going to once again explain it to you so you're back on ignore. Im sick to death of you and your ludicrous posts. Im sick of you picking my posts to respond to out of the 100's that are available for no other reason than to bait me, and Im sick to death of it being allowed to continue.
xdamage
09-10-2009, 06:12 PM
You are missing the point. I am not saying that strippers must kiss their PLs as if it were part of their "job". All I am saying is, there is nothing wrong with a stripper kissing a PL if she feels affection towards him. Kissing is such a wonderful way of expressing your affection towards someone. Therefore it distresses me to no end when I see folks demonizing it.
Outside of the club there is nothing wrong with it.
If a dancer is dating a bouncer and kisses him in the backroom that is fine.
If a dancer meets a customer and says, you know what? Forget the customer thing. Let's date... I really like you, they wander out to the car and kiss, fine.
But when it is happening on the clock, in a Strip club, and a customer is paying for it, it has an impact on everyone else in the club. It is the same as there is a world of difference between me giving a loved one a car for my cost or less, and me selling cars to the public at cost or less (aka "dumping"); if my business practice provides me with an unfair advantage in the market, then it is not surprising that others in the business are going to cry foul.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-10-2009, 06:14 PM
WHERE????? Tell me, I'll come see you, and you'll get a 100% stiletto to head success rate.
Can you PLs feel the love?
princessjas
09-10-2009, 06:59 PM
You are missing the point. I am not saying that strippers must kiss their PLs as if it were part of their "job". All I am saying is, there is nothing wrong with a stripper kissing a PL if she feels affection towards him. Kissing is such a wonderful way of expressing your affection towards someone. Therefore it distresses me to no end when I see folks demonizing it.
Showing "affection" to the dozens of custies we deal with a night isn't distressing? It isn't a sign of affection in this setting 99.99999999999999% of the time. Don't be retarded. :banghead:
When I hug or gently run my hand over my fav custies shoulder or pat his bicep that is my sign of affection.
Cyril
09-10-2009, 07:28 PM
Outside of the club there is nothing wrong with it.
If a dancer is dating a bouncer and kisses him in the backroom that is fine.
If a dancer meets a customer and says, you know what? Forget the customer thing. Let's date... I really like you, they wander out to the car and kiss, fine.
But when it is happening on the clock, in a Strip club, and a customer is paying for it, it has an impact on everyone else in the club. It is the same as there is a world of difference between me giving a loved one a car for my cost or less, and me selling cars to the public at cost or less (aka "dumping"); if my business practice provides me with an unfair advantage in the market, then it is not surprising that others in the business are going to cry foul.
I am sorry but I do not subscribe to "affection must not exist inside a strip club" notion. In my humble opinion, all strippers have right to express their affection towards that someone special. A PL who sweeps them off their feet. A PL who makes them skip their heart beat. There is nothing wrong with it. Actually based on what I have learned about strip clubs reading this forum, kissing is the only non dirty thing that probably happens inside a strip club.
Cyril
09-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Can you PLs feel the love?
It seems like love is considered extra. :D
JayATee
09-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Outside of the club there is nothing wrong with it.
If a dancer is dating a bouncer and kisses him in the backroom that is fine.
If a dancer meets a customer and says, you know what? Forget the customer thing. Let's date... I really like you, they wander out to the car and kiss, fine.
But when it is happening on the clock, in a Strip club, and a customer is paying for it, it has an impact on everyone else in the club. It is the same as there is a world of difference between me giving a loved one a car for my cost or less, and me selling cars to the public at cost or less (aka "dumping"); if my business practice provides me with an unfair advantage in the market, then it is not surprising that others in the business are going to cry foul.
Showing "affection" to the dozens of custies we deal with a night isn't distressing? It isn't a sign of affection in this setting 99.99999999999999% of the time. Don't be retarded. :banghead:
When I hug or gently run my hand over my fav custies shoulder or pat his bicep that is my sign of affection.
You guys are wasting your breath...
Just sayin. ;)
chris91
09-11-2009, 02:49 AM
I am sorry but I do not subscribe to "affection must not exist inside a strip club" notion. In my humble opinion, all strippers have right to express their affection towards that someone special.
Yes, they do. Outside of the club. Kiss who you want, OUTSIDE OF THE CLUB.
A PL who sweeps them off their feet. A PL who makes them skip their heart beat.
There is no such thing as a PL who sweeps a woman off her feet. Do you even know what PL stands for? You think our hearts skip beats for pathetic losers?
Maybe at dream girls, but I have to work a club that is located on earth.
chris91
09-11-2009, 02:51 AM
It is unfortunate that we are classifying kissing as extra. Kissing is definitely not extra and it is certainly not an "ugly woman's game".
Here is what I consider extra:
- Lap Dances
- BJs
- HJs
- Sex in the VIP
- Etc.
I am deeply disturbed by the attempts of some folks to demonize kissing which is a beautiful form of human expression.
You don't get to decide what is extra. We do. Do you have a learning disability or something?
Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 02:56 AM
Exactly! If you can't compete with your looks and hustle get the hell out of the business. It's not for everyone. Sorry as bad as some may think it sounds, I think we can all agree that looks matter a hell of a lot in this business.
I agree looks matter but so does stress relief. What looks good to one PL may not to another; but stress relief is what it is.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 03:04 AM
You don't get to decide what is extra. We do. Do you have a learning disability or something?
The PL decides what he is going to waste his money on; the experienced PL anyway. I would NEVER want a dancer to do what she is uncomfortable doing; she should not expect this PL to pay for something she is uncomfortable doing. This PL finds after a few "dates" the comfort level surpasses what this PL is comfortable with; go figure.
Earl_the_Pearl
09-11-2009, 03:14 AM
There is no such thing as a PL who sweeps a woman off her feet.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.To dream the imposable dream may very well be a nightmare.
princessjas
09-11-2009, 04:47 AM
I agree looks matter but so does stress relief. What looks good to one PL may not to another; but stress relief is what it is.
Make friends with your right hand.
Also, stop being so damn nasty. I damn near vomit everytime you post lately.
princessjas
09-11-2009, 04:49 AM
Yes, they do. Outside of the club. Kiss who you want, OUTSIDE OF THE CLUB.
There is no such thing as a PL who sweeps a woman off her feet. Do you even know what PL stands for? You think our hearts skip beats for pathetic losers?
Maybe at dream girls, but I have to work a club that is located on earth.
:rotfl: Don't we all.
bem401
09-11-2009, 05:48 AM
It is unfortunate that we are classifying kissing as extra. Kissing is definitely not extra and it is certainly not an "ugly woman's game".
Here is what I consider extra:
- Lap Dances
- BJs
- HJs
- Sex in the VIP
- Etc.
I am deeply disturbed by the attempts of some folks to demonize kissing which is a beautiful form of human expression.
Dude, you are so f'ing clueless. You need to spend some time in a club before you opine on what is considered an extra. How is a lap dance an "extra"? For better or worse, it is what this business is all about these days.
As far as kissing is concerned, you are really showing your cluelessness here. There are kisses meant as greetings or farewells. I get several of those on nearly every visit. They nearly always involve only a peck on the cheek and nothing more and take place right in the open for all to see. I seriously doubt that anyone at all has any sort of problem with kisses of this nature. The type people (well, other dancers) are offended by are the one that take place in the private dance area. These kisses have nothing in common with the aforementioned kisses and generally involve seeing how far one party can stick their tongue down the other's throat. On rare occasions I have unexpectedly been the recipient of kisses of this sort and believe me, they are extra as extras get. There are even some extras girls for whom this crosses the line.
xdamage
09-11-2009, 06:07 AM
Dude, you are so f'ing clueless.
Hold this thought.
You need to spend some time in a club before you opine on what is considered an extra.
He has already explained this. By knowing nothing about what goes on he knows better then anyone who actually does. I guess it's one of those zen things?
How is a lap dance an "extra"? For better or worse, it is what this business is all about these days.
You answered this question in your first statement above.
Not only is he clueless, but he has setup an infallible self-logic system in his head that neatly allows him claim his own ignorance on the matter is actually a virtue, making it pointless to even try (sadly I forgot that recently).
Similar to logic systems like so - Do you have ABSOLUTE proof of A? Here is a lot of work showing it is increasingly proven. Do you have ABSOLUTE proof of B? I don't need proof, I have faith in B and faith is all I need! You just can't win arguments like this because the rule set isn't the same for both parties.
So basically if we were all completely ignorant like Cyril we could start a board about strippers and customers and we'd all be right by virtue of the fact that we would all be utterly ignorant and thus know everything about it.
vmurphy252
09-11-2009, 06:13 AM
^When did this become about religion? }:D
xdamage
09-11-2009, 06:52 AM
^When did this become about religion? }:D
Faith != Religion. That is just a manifestation of a general pattern of thinking:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/faith
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/belief), trust (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trust).
People believe all major of things, superstitious, things they cannot see/measure/etc, yes religious ideas too. The point is if you are trying to talk to someone who has already started with the assumption that their faith (which does not rest on proof) is greater then repeatable evidence/proofs, there is no point in wasting time trying to use proof to sway them.
Likewise there is no point in trying to get Cyril to see the value of everyone's experiences; he has already pre-decided that his own ignorance on SCs makes him a better judge of what goes on.
chris91
09-11-2009, 08:10 AM
The PL decides what he is going to waste his money on; the experienced PL anyway. I would NEVER want a dancer to do what she is uncomfortable doing; she should not expect this PL to pay for something she is uncomfortable doing. This PL finds after a few "dates" the comfort level surpasses what this PL is comfortable with; go figure.
Dude, I have no clue what you are talking about. None of this is relevant to the quote you pulled from my post.
Also, you might want to stop referring to all customers as pathetic losers. It kills any chance of you ever seeming like you have a clue.
jack0177057
09-11-2009, 09:14 AM
Exactly! If you can't compete with your looks and hustle get the hell out of the business. It's not for everyone. Sorry as bad as some may think it sounds, I think we can all agree that looks matter a hell of a lot in this business.
Just curious -- Are you in favor of no-contact ordinances and strict enforcement? When we had stepped-up enforcement in my city, nearly all the dancers I talked to were unhappy with this because it hurt their business (those that followed the law) and also because many continued to do it anyway and they feared criminal prosecution... But you and JayATee make me think that there must have been some dancers that were pleased with the stepped-up enforcement because it discouraged the extras, at least a little.
What about peep show dancers? They don't have any physical contact with customers, do they? From the no-contact or low-contact dancer's POV, is that a better option than the SC?