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princessjas
09-11-2009, 09:21 AM
Just curious -- Are you in favor of no-contact ordinances and strict enforcement? When we had stepped-up enforcement in my city, nearly all the dancers I talked to were unhappy with this because it hurt their business (those that followed the law) and also because many continued to do it anyway and they feared criminal prosecution... But you and JayATee make me think that there must have been some dancers that were pleased with the stepped-up enforcement because it discouraged the extras, at least a little.
What about peep show dancers? They don't have any physical contact with customers, do they? From the no-contact or low-contact dancer's POV, is that a better option than the SC?
I don't like no contact ordinances. I can get arrested for brushing lint off a regulars suit or giving him a welcome hug. Not cool. I do want low-contact ordinances enforced. Ideal for me would be no touching anything covered by a swimsuit, even through clothing. Sitting on laps is ok, no naked or topless lapdances and of course, no kissing. I'd be such a happy little stripper! ;D
jack0177057
09-11-2009, 09:25 AM
Dude, you are so f'ing clueless. You need to spend some time in a club before you opine on what is considered an extra. How is a lap dance an "extra"? For better or worse, it is what this business is all about these days.
I'm just asking - If lap dances are illegal in the city, would they be considered an "extra" then? I think they're actually illegal in my city because when enforcement was high in the SCs, the dancers stopped doing lap dances and only did table dances,... except for the "extras girls" who continued business as usual.
bem401
09-11-2009, 09:29 AM
Sorry as bad as some may think it sounds, I think we can all agree that looks matter a hell of a lot in this business.
But I quote Boone from the movie Animal House, " we are willing to sacrifice looks for a certain morally casual attitude " when looking for a date for Pinto. Like it or not, this is a factor in the clubs. Not taking a position one way or the other, just saying.
jack0177057
09-11-2009, 09:34 AM
I don't like no contact ordinances. I can get arrested for brushing lint off a regulars suit or giving him a welcome hug. Not cool. I do want low-contact ordinances enforced. Ideal for me would be no touching anything covered by a swimsuit, even through clothing. Sitting on laps is ok, no naked or topless lapdances and of course, no kissing. I'd be such a happy little stripper! ;D
In the last city I lived, the no-contact law only applied when the dancer took her clothes off (top only, she was not allowed full nudity, except in BYOB clubs). Once her top came off, no contact was allowed. While clothed, however, she could sit on a guys lap, touch his face, even make-out with him, etc. -- without it being a criminal offense. Usually, the dancers that were prosecuted had rubbed their nude breasts on a vice officer's face.
I want you to be a happy little stripper! ;D
bem401
09-11-2009, 09:39 AM
I'm just asking - If lap dances are illegal in the city, would they be considered an "extra" then? I think they're actually illegal in my city because when enforcement was high in the SCs, the dancers stopped doing lap dances and only did table dances,... except for the "extras girls" who continued business as usual.
Extras are things done discreetly. How can you discreetly give a lap dance? The other extras can kind of get obscured in the action of a lap dance but I don't see how you could obscure the whole dance.
Shy_Guy
09-11-2009, 11:01 AM
Extras are things done discreetly.
um, wow? So if the BJ is done on the floor, it's not an extra? There is a club in SoCal where this was so common they decided to build a VIP room. Not so it would be more private, but so they could charge more money :O
(This was before my day, just to head-off the hyper-judgmental who confuse information with advocacy)
Almost Jaded
09-11-2009, 11:54 AM
I am sorry but I do not subscribe to "affection must not exist inside a strip club" notion.
Moot, since you also refuse to subscribe to the "I will exist in a strip club" notion.
As for your little list - see above. What yu consider extras is irrelevant since no dancer will be giving you time of any sort, nor will you ever be deciding whether to spend money on a "clean" girl or an "extras girl", SINCE YOU DON'T GO TO STRIP CLUBS.
And whoever mentioned the PL thing - Cyril and Earl have taken to using PL to refer to any customer. I guess it's their way of "taking it back", LOL.
Elvia
09-11-2009, 12:52 PM
^^^Earl just says that because he likes to feel victimized. he's just having a pity party. So maybe he really is a PL.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 01:54 PM
Extras are things done discreetly. How can you discreetly give a lap dance? The other extras can kind of get obscured in the action of a lap dance but I don't see how you could obscure the whole dance.
I am sorry but BJ is not discreet. It requires a distinct motion and posture which can be spotted from a mile.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 02:07 PM
It is very clear that some dancers label competitive girls as 'extras' girls. Kissing is a game of a beautiful sensuous woman. It is not an easy game. Therefore only a handful of girls in the strip clubs can play it masterfully. These girls walk out of the club every night with a handbag full of money. So, it is natural that these girls invite jealousy of less attractive girls who are unable to play this game as skillfully. Then comes the plot to vilify these beautiful sensuous girls by calling them extras girls.
The objective of my post was to express my dissent from the 'kissing is extra' belief system and not to start a war.
Djoser
09-11-2009, 02:18 PM
It is very clear that some dancers label competitive girls as 'extras' girls. Kissing is a game of a beautiful sensuous woman. It is not an easy game. Therefore only a handful of girls in the strip clubs can play it masterfully. These girls walk out of the club every night with a handbag full of money. So, it is natural that these girls invite jealousy of less attractive girls who are unable to play this game as skillfully. Then comes the plot to vilify these beautiful sensuous girls by calling them extras girls.
The objective of my post was to express my descent from the 'kissing is extra' belief system and not to start a war.
You mean 'descent' as in stepping down or reducing, or 'dissent' as in disagreement?
In any case kissing may be a very sensuous and beautiful activity outside the club, but if a woman just kissed a customer, no way would I ever go near her mouth. I want nothing to do with traces of another man's saliva in or around or anywhere near my mouth, or anywhere else, thanks. There are dancers who try to give me a little kiss regularly, but if I think they have been playing that game with customers I turn so they kiss my cheek or just pretend I'm too busy for kisses.
jack0177057
09-11-2009, 02:19 PM
Extras are things done discreetly. How can you discreetly give a lap dance? The other extras can kind of get obscured in the action of a lap dance but I don't see how you could obscure the whole dance.
In most of the clubs I go to, they are discreet. They are not done in the main floor. The dancer takes you to a small private room that is off in some corner out of sight and only used for lap dances. These are high-contact upscale clubs, and even without any "extras", I'm sure that every lap dance I've ever received constitutes a crime. Like I said, when the city stepped up its enforcement of SOB ordinances, lap dances went away... for a while.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 02:31 PM
You mean 'descent' as in stepping down or reducing, or 'dissent' as in disagreement?
In any case kissing may be a very sensuous and beautiful activity outside the club, but if a woman just kissed a customer, no way would I ever go near her mouth. I want nothing to do with traces of another man's saliva in or around or anywhere near my mouth, or anywhere else, thanks. There are dancers who try to give me a little kiss regularly, but if I think they have been playing that game with customers I turn so they kiss my cheek or just pretend I'm too busy for kisses.
I stand corrected. I meant 'dissent' not 'descent'. Thank you!
The point here is the beautiful sensuous, sweet and intelligent stripper in question is only kissing that special someone. A PL who is truly outstanding in all regards.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 02:37 PM
I have to say. Only things that can top lap dances as far as extras are concerned are HJ, BJ and FS.
So, if we consider kissing an extra then lap dances are certainly a big extra.
princessjas
09-11-2009, 02:40 PM
It is very clear that some dancers label competitive girls as 'extras' girls. Kissing is a game of a beautiful sensuous woman. It is not an easy game. Therefore only a handful of girls in the strip clubs can play it masterfully. These girls walk out of the club every night with a handbag full of money. So, it is natural that these girls invite jealousy of less attractive girls who are unable to play this game as skillfully. Then comes the plot to vilify these beautiful sensuous girls by calling them extras girls.
The objective of my post was to express my dissent from the 'kissing is extra' belief system and not to start a war.
Ya, I'm a troll and jealous of the generally ugly-assed kissing whores. That's exactly it. I never made any cash compared to THOSE girls. STFU
I stand corrected. I meant 'dissent' not 'descent'. Thank you!
The point here is the beautiful sensuous, sweet and intelligent stripper in question is only kissing that special someone.
::) Jeezus F'in christ I thought it required some brain activity to actually type.
Djoser
09-11-2009, 02:45 PM
Slightly off topic, but I remember one night in Daytona when at the end of the night one of our dancers came to tip me, leaned in to give me a kiss suddenly and before I even knew it or could avoid it, slipped me the tongue!
This was emphatically not one of those special girls saving it for that one special customer. I leaped out of the booth and into the dressing room (which was right next to it in that club) and was spitting and rinsing my mouth and cursing in the little bathroom there, much to the amusement of the dancers still getting ready to go. :D
princessjas
09-11-2009, 02:50 PM
^^See that is logical, what someone with a functioning brain does. Cause you don't delude yourself that it is something "special" just for you. (I know being a DJ you may date a dancer occassionally and therefore be kissed, but that's a whole nother situation.)
Almost Jaded
09-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Therefore only a handful of girls in the strip clubs can play it masterfully. These girls walk out of the club every night with a handbag full of money.
And you know this because... Oh, wait - you don't. You don't personally know many - if any - dancers, you don't go to clubs, you have no basis whatsoever for this statement.
So, it is natural that these girls invite jealousy of less attractive girls who are unable to play this game as skillfully.
What does kissing or not kissing have to do with being less attractive? Or do you mean that only girls wh kiss are attractive, i.e., assigning a meaning to attractive other than physical beauty? If the latter, you imply that girls who don't kiss aren't attractive to clients, a notion repeatedly debunked here even by the men who say they enjoy kissing dancers because of the possibility of spreading germs and od knows what else in addition to other reasons.
Then comes the plot to vilify these beautiful sensuous girls by calling them extras girls.
Ah - you use beautiful in a regular context here, so while it is possible that again it doesn't refer to physical beauty only, I doubt you're that deep. Regardless, there is no plot. Kissing is something many prostitutes won't do. There's a completely different stigma and set of issues that comes with kissing than that which comes from far more blatantly sexual acts. As has already been stated repeatedly - kissing raises expectations for all the dancers. If none of them had started doing it, none of them would be expected to do it, it's outside of the normal SC related activities or "approved" behaviors and contact - so it's an "extra". Not a tough concept champ. Of course, your comprehension seems to differ from most, so maybe I shouldn't assume it's any simpler than the dozens of others you fail to grasp since you decided to disgrace this site with your presence.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 02:53 PM
Slightly off topic, but I remember one night in Daytona when at the end of the night one of our dancers came to tip me, leaned in to give me a kiss suddenly and before I even knew it or could avoid it, slipped me the tongue!
This was emphatically not one of those special girls saving it for that one special customer. I leaped out of the booth and into the dressing room (which was right next to it in that club) and was spitting and rinsing my mouth and cursing in the little bathroom there, much to the amusement of the dancers still getting ready to go. :D
Kissing has its hazards. Absolutely. There are tons of strippers out there who probably do not brush regularly or do not use right kind of tooth paste. But I am certain there are tons of strippers out there who exercise excellent oral hygiene.
I personally use Listerine and I have to say this at the risk of sounding like blowing my own horn that I never had any complaints.
Cyril
09-11-2009, 02:55 PM
^^See that is logical, what someone with a functioning brain does. Cause you don't delude yourself that it is something "special" just for you. (I know being a DJ you may date a dancer occassionally and therefore be kissed, but that's a whole nother situation.)
Sometimes it is delusion but sometimes it is real. You have to have that kind of confidence in yourself.
Djoser
09-11-2009, 03:07 PM
^^See that is logical, what someone with a functioning brain does. Cause you don't delude yourself that it is something "special" just for you. (I know being a DJ you may date a dancer occassionally and therefore be kissed, but that's a whole nother situation.)
Actually I have pretty much dated dancers since I started DJing ten years ago. They tend not to get so jealous or freak out about my job like the 'civilian' women will so often do, though it's not a guarantee, lol.
Kissing has its hazards. Absolutely. There are tons of strippers out there who probably do not brush regularly or do not use right kind of tooth paste. But I am certain there are tons of strippers out there who exercise excellent oral hygiene.
I personally use Listerine and I have to say this at the risk of sounding like blowing my own horn that I never had any complaints.
Good god almighty! The last thing that was crossing my mind as I was frantically trying to eradicate any trace of what was possibly coating her tongue when she did the banzai attack and stuck it in my mouth was whether she had brushed her teeth that afternoon! It was all the motherfuckers she might have been slipping the tongue to for eight hours that night, or worse. Yeeecccchhhh!
JayATee
09-11-2009, 03:16 PM
Ok I have to ask, why do you guys keep responding to his posts? It's the same bs he always spews and you give the same explanations you always do and he is absolutely 100% incapable of comprehending anything that you say so he continues to say the same exact bs in EVERY SINGLE THREAD he enters.... I am guilty as well but trying to get better with it. Maybe if we all stop responding he will go away.
Djoser
09-11-2009, 03:23 PM
Well I should know better than to post in CC at all, since I'm not exactly a normal type customer--though there are many worthy gentlemen who do post here and are interesting to talk to.
But about once a year I will do it, usually coming here out of curiosity, or more often because I saw a 'reported post' in mod's area and came to check it out, and then made the mistake of posting a reply to something, then the mistake of looking at what other people respond with, then responding to that, and so forth--and usually it just gets me in trouble. :D
Cyril
09-11-2009, 03:25 PM
And you know this because... Oh, wait - you don't. You don't personally know many - if any - dancers, you don't go to clubs, you have no basis whatsoever for this statement.
What does kissing or not kissing have to do with being less attractive? Or do you mean that only girls wh kiss are attractive, i.e., assigning a meaning to attractive other than physical beauty? If the latter, you imply that girls who don't kiss aren't attractive to clients, a notion repeatedly debunked here even by the men who say they enjoy kissing dancers because of the possibility of spreading germs and od knows what else in addition to other reasons.
Ah - you use beautiful in a regular context here, so while it is possible that again it doesn't refer to physical beauty only, I doubt you're that deep. Regardless, there is no plot. Kissing is something many prostitutes won't do. There's a completely different stigma and set of issues that comes with kissing than that which comes from far more blatantly sexual acts. As has already been stated repeatedly - kissing raises expectations for all the dancers. If none of them had started doing it, none of them would be expected to do it, it's outside of the normal SC related activities or "approved" behaviors and contact - so it's an "extra". Not a tough concept champ. Of course, your comprehension seems to differ from most, so maybe I shouldn't assume it's any simpler than the dozens of others you fail to grasp since you decided to disgrace this site with your presence.
It is a well accepted notion that guys usually are not interested in kissing "ugly" girls. With ugly girls, they just like to get down to the business right away. So, it is evident that the girls who are into kissing game in the strip clubs are unusually attractive.
Why should kissing girls sacrifice their income just to please girls who are unable to deploy the kissing game? It seems like lap dance girls are afraid of competition from kissing girls.
Once again, I do not subscribe to the "lap dance is holier than kissing" notion. What we have here is a classic case of relative morality. Some think that kissing is extra. Some think that lap dance is extra. While kissing camp is not trying to impose their version of morality on the lap dancing camp. But the lap dancing camp is certainly trying to do so.
xdamage
09-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Ok I have to ask, why do you guys keep responding to his posts? It's the same bs he always spews and you give the same explanations you always do and he is absolutely 100% incapable of comprehending anything that you say so he continues to say the same exact bs in EVERY SINGLE THREAD he enters.... I am guilty as well but trying to get better with it. Maybe if we all stop responding he will go away.
Sigh. He is infuriatingly @(*#$&)$# ... never mind. The fact is you are right. I just said it myself in a different post. He's decided that his ignorance places him in a unique position of knowledge which makes any attempt at discussion pointless.
JayATee
09-11-2009, 03:32 PM
Sigh. He is infuriatingly @(*#$&)$# ... never mind. The fact is you are right. I just said it myself in a different post. He's decided that his ignorance places him in a unique position of knowledge which makes any attempt at discussion pointless.
Precisely. And it is infuriating... til you put him on ignore and then the world is a happy place again! ;)
Phil-W
09-11-2009, 03:32 PM
It is a well accepted notion that guys usually are not interested in kissing "ugly" girls. With ugly girls, they just like to get down to the business right away. So, it is evident that the girls who are into kissing game in the strip clubs are unusually attractive.....
FWIW...
Cyril
09-11-2009, 03:35 PM
Ok I have to ask, why do you guys keep responding to his posts? It's the same bs he always spews and you give the same explanations you always do and he is absolutely 100% incapable of comprehending anything that you say so he continues to say the same exact bs in EVERY SINGLE THREAD he enters.... I am guilty as well but trying to get better with it. Maybe if we all stop responding he will go away.
If you are accusing me of monotone then I would like to humbly point out that you are guilty of the same. Only difference is the magnitude. Yours is a case of much severity.
mediocrity
09-11-2009, 03:46 PM
It seems like love is considered extra. :D
I am sure I am disappointing most of you with my usual level of rage. But you know what? This picture never gets old, or is unapplicable, with our dear friend Cyril:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/creeper_photos/BurtandCookieMonster.jpg
mediocrity
09-11-2009, 03:47 PM
If you are accusing me of monotone then I would like to humbly point out that you are guilty of the same. Only difference is the magnitude. Yours is a case of much severity.
Get off Jay and stop antagonising her on purpose. Your whole online persona is presposterous and you only come into threads to antagonise people. The act is getting old. Pick on someone your own size, you fool.
bem401
09-11-2009, 04:04 PM
um, wow? So if the BJ is done on the floor, it's not an extra?
I live in RI, the land of extras, and I have never seen this. Lap dances do not need to be done discreetly provided they are legal. I've never been to a club where they weren't.
vmurphy252
09-11-2009, 04:12 PM
.... I am guilty as well but trying to get better with it.
Thanks for the this. I was gonna have to call you on it... }:D
dreamer1980
09-11-2009, 04:18 PM
ill probably get bashed for this, but what the hell }:D
this has happened to me 3 times, twice with the same dancer on different occasions. this is something i dont go looking for or initiate, ever. it definitely took me by surprise because i know this isnt part of the deal. i guess its either a hustle, genuine attraction or drunkenness. of course i did worry a little after though. but in the end i just chalked it up to another unusual SC experience.
it sometimes happens, just dont go expecting it or try to force it. enjoy your lap dance, be respectful and if it the situation arises then you decide whether to partake or not.
JayATee
09-11-2009, 04:43 PM
I am sure I am disappointing most of you with my usual level of rage. But you know what? This picture never gets old, or is unapplicable, with our dear friend Cyril:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/creeper_photos/BurtandCookieMonster.jpg
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I had to wait 5 min after seeing this to even be able to type coherently bc I was laughing so hard. This is the best fucking picture I've ever seen!
Almost Jaded
09-11-2009, 05:47 PM
Cyril, you mentioned kissing vs lapdances as being a relative issue in teh SC, and you are correct. Lapdances are accepted, common, and more or less why you go to a SC. Kissing is what some girls do that they aren't supposed to, i.e, an "extra". And once again you ignorance is showing as you relate kissing to beauty, especially since this a SC we're talking about (you know, the places that these girls you claim to love work that you don't go to and know nothing about). You are correct; most men don't want to kiss an unattractive woman. For the most part (there are exceptions), the girls who provide "extras" in a SC - including kissing - are the less attractive ones. See - something you'd know if you went to SC's, but you don't, so again - you sound retarded and prove you have no reason to be here. Leave.
WiseGuy_TX
09-11-2009, 07:44 PM
It is very clear that some dancers label competitive girls as 'extras' girls. Kissing is a game of a beautiful sensuous woman. It is not an easy game. Therefore only a handful of girls in the strip clubs can play it masterfully. These girls walk out of the club every night with a handbag full of money. So, it is natural that these girls invite jealousy of less attractive girls who are unable to play this game as skillfully. Then comes the plot to vilify these beautiful sensuous girls by calling them extras girls.
The objective of my post was to express my dissent from the 'kissing is extra' belief system and not to start a war....so says the PL who says he has never been in a strip club but loves strippers.
And you know this because... Oh, wait - you don't. You don't personally know many - if any - dancers, you don't go to clubs, you have no basis whatsoever for this statement....yes, thus his lack of evidence destroys his case.
Ok I have to ask, why do you guys keep responding to his posts? It's the same bs he always spews and you give the same explanations you always do and he is absolutely 100% incapable of comprehending anything that you say so he continues to say the same exact bs in EVERY SINGLE THREAD he enters.... I am guilty as well but trying to get better with it. Maybe if we all stop responding he will go away....because he makes AJ, myself and others look like GODS!!!:D
Sigh. He is infuriatingly @(*#$&)$# ... never mind. The fact is you are right. I just said it myself in a different post. He's decided that his ignorance places him in a unique position of knowledge which makes any attempt at discussion pointless....his ego has given him just one supporter "hopper" yet it blinds his self understanding.
If you are accusing me of monotone then I would like to humbly point out that you are guilty of the same. Only difference is the magnitude. Yours is a case of much severity....address your failures first.
princessjas
09-11-2009, 07:48 PM
I am sure I am disappointing most of you with my usual level of rage. But you know what? This picture never gets old, or is unapplicable, with our dear friend Cyril:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h207/creeper_photos/BurtandCookieMonster.jpg
Most awesomest response in a while.
...because he makes AJ, myself and others look like GODS!!!:D
:rotfl:
...his ego has given him just one supporter "hopper" yet it blinds his self understanding.
Like I said...I smell sock. ;D
Elvia
09-11-2009, 08:08 PM
Like I said...I smell sock. ;D
Hmmmm...:O
Thank you for your participation.
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