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erotictonic
10-24-2009, 10:39 AM
I just believe that everyone should be treated with respect and an open mind until they give you reason to feel otherwise.

It would be nice in a perfect world.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Also, with your point about me posting out of context, I agree and prob shouldn't have posted. But what is your excuse? You are the one screaming insults concerning the differences in the first place (also in a thread on fit Indian men), which is what prompted me to post. LMAO.....now that's funny.

How am I screaming insults? Another member, LMiller, randomly decided to bring up Arab guys and Islam in this thread making assumptions, much like you, and I just wanted to clarify some things for her. As a result, she got defensive, much like you, and I'm puzzled as to why.... I'm not trying to be argumentative, just clear up some misconceptions. What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

What's funny to me to is how ignorant some people are. Some of this stuff is just common sense.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 11:02 AM
Yeah, but it's really shitty that people like him have to "prove" themselves because they are already viewed negatively by so many. His wife goes through that a lot too, like people automatically assume her relationship is horrible. I just believe that everyone should be treated with respect and an open mind until they give you reason to feel otherwise. It shouldn't be like "You're Pakistani, so I'm pretty sure you're a woman-hating asshole... but hey... feel free to prove me wrong". I don't understand why we think that's acceptable.

I don't do this, and I DO NOT think it is acceptable. It's like, hello we live in America, a diverse melting pot. Why do some people still do this? Let's face it. You never know who you are talking to, so many people are mixed races nowadays. It's not wise to generalize an entire race based on the actions of a few people.

I guess I am passionate about the subject because you really see these behaviors towards Middle Eastern people. It's like so many Americans (not all) just lump all of the Middle East and India together as woman hating asshole terrorists and refuse to see anything else, and it's so far from the truth it's sad.

erotictonic
10-24-2009, 11:05 AM
How am I screaming insults? Another member, LMiller, randomly decided to bring up Arab guys and Islam in this thread making assumptions, much like you, and I just wanted to clarify some things for her. As a result, she got defensive, much like you, and I'm puzzled as to why.... I'm not trying to be argumentative, just clear up some misconceptions. What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

What's funny to me to is how ignorant some people are. Some of this stuff is just common sense.

Nah, I'm not defensive. I just found it funny that you were bringing up the "context" of the thread when you were the one propagating it. I disagree that I "made assumptions". LOL......

Thanks for the discussion all. :)

J.D.
10-24-2009, 11:06 AM
I didn't bring it up, another member did. I'm not propagating anything, just listing facts. Maybe I got through to somebody.

erotictonic
10-24-2009, 11:15 AM
BUT telling us your opinion about Pakistani men in an Indian men thread

There's where you mentioned "context". That's referring to the context of the thread.

stacey12
10-24-2009, 12:01 PM
wow this is getting a little off topic now. All i was saying was how fit i find indian men, not pakistani men or any other men. For your information my boy is a muslim indian and as J.D. correctly said there is a lot of misconceptions surrounding muslims and indians in general. I am sorry for those of you who had bad experiences with pakistani guys etc but i cant comment on that, as it wasnt related to the original topic of indian men.

also just wanted to say a big thankyou to J.D. who seems to be the only one trying to keep the whole discussion on topic and more importantly, not a ground for racism
cheers

Stacey :)
xx

J.D.
10-24-2009, 12:20 PM
Thank you!!! Finally!! I was starting to get so frustrated :banghead:

erotictonic
10-24-2009, 01:26 PM
also just wanted to say a big thankyou to J.D. who seems to be the only one trying to keep the whole discussion on topic and more importantly, not a ground for racism
cheers

Stacey :)
xx

Sorry :( but alot of people would view this thread in itself as grounds for racism. Some might say it's promoting Indian men as more attractive (superior), especially in your first posting. I don't care one way or another, but that's just how the world works.

Each to his own.

Sorry you are frustrated J.D. I hope you feel better.

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 01:39 PM
you're totally right. usually in the uk asian means indian which is why i kinda get mixed up between the two.
i don't know why i just find indian guys to be so loving, really affectionate. for them foreplay is the endplay which i really like. they really treat you right


What?????Asian means people from the continent of Asia?!! thats what i always understood.

And also Indians are Asians, their nationality is Indian and their country is in the continent Asia. Not two seperate races! Like we are British and European. You wouldn't say European usualy means french or german or swedish would you? well maybe you would!

Maybe you should look up the definition of race,nationality and continent!!!

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 01:44 PM
I don't do this, and I DO NOT think it is acceptable. It's like, hello we live in America, the most diverse country in the world. Why do some people still do this? Let's face it. You never know who you are talking to, so many people are mixed races nowadays. It's not wise to generalize an entire race based on the actions of a few people.

I guess I am passionate about the subject because you really see these behaviors towards Middle Eastern people. It's like so many Americans (not all) just lump all of the Middle East and India together as woman hating asshole terrorists and refuse to see anything else, and it's so far from the truth it's sad.


We dont all live in america on this site.

America is the most diverse country in the world?!!!!

Untied States

White American, 74.7%, or about 215.3 million (those having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa);
Black or African American 12.1% or 34.9 million,
Asian American 4.3% or 12.5 million,
American Indian 0.8% or 2.4 million
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1% or 0.4 million,
Two or more races 1.9% or 5.6 million
Other 6% or 17.3 million
Hispanics of any race 14.5% or about 41.9 million



Canada

The largest ethnic group is "Canadian" (39.4%), followed by English (20.2%), French (15.8%), Scottish (14.0%), Irish (12.9%), German (9.3%), Italian (4.3%), Chinese (3.7%), Ukrainian (3.6%) and First Nations (3.4%).[50] Canada's aboriginal population is growing almost twice as fast as the rest of the Canadian population. In 2001, 13.4% of the population belonged to visible minorities

Brazil
White 53.7%
Multiracial 38.5% (mostly of mixed black-African and white European ancestry)
Black 6.2%
Asian 0.5%
Amerindian 0.4%
unspecified 0.7%

or going on cultures it would be India wth ,800 cultures and 10,000 languages

wow a whole thread of ignorance and wrong facts!!

Elvia
10-24-2009, 02:21 PM
wow a whole thread of ignorance and wrong facts!!

You know, there's a way to make a point without being overly confrontational and causing even more tension. Just something for you to think about. I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was just on this occasion, but you seem to be developing a pattern here.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 02:26 PM
We dont all live in america on this site.

America is the most diverse country in the world?!!!!

Untied States

White American, 74.7%, or about 215.3 million (those having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa);
Black or African American 12.1% or 34.9 million,
Asian American 4.3% or 12.5 million,
American Indian 0.8% or 2.4 million
Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander 0.1% or 0.4 million,
Two or more races 1.9% or 5.6 million
Other 6% or 17.3 million
Hispanics of any race 14.5% or about 41.9 million



Canada

The largest ethnic group is "Canadian" (39.4%), followed by English (20.2%), French (15.8%), Scottish (14.0%), Irish (12.9%), German (9.3%), Italian (4.3%), Chinese (3.7%), Ukrainian (3.6%) and First Nations (3.4%).[50] Canada's aboriginal population is growing almost twice as fast as the rest of the Canadian population. In 2001, 13.4% of the population belonged to visible minorities

Brazil
White 53.7%
Multiracial 38.5% (mostly of mixed black-African and white European ancestry)
Black 6.2%
Asian 0.5%
Amerindian 0.4%
unspecified 0.7%

or going on cultures it would be India wth ,800 cultures and 10,000 languages

wow a whole thread of ignorance and wrong facts!!

Ok, maybe I shouldn't have said what I meant like that. I meant, America is a melting pot. Our founding fathers were immigrants, it's a huge part of being American. In fact, people in America pride themselves in their ethnic backgrounds. Americans who are reading this know what I mean.

Elvia
10-24-2009, 02:26 PM
What?????Asian means people from the continent of Asia?!! thats what i always understood.

And also Indians are Asians, their nationality is Indian and their country is in the continent Asia. Not two seperate races! Like we are British and European. You wouldn't say European usualy means french or german or swedish would you? well maybe you would!

Maybe you should look up the definition of race,nationality and continent!!!


I think what she was alluding to, is that where she's from, when people say "Asian" they are often referring to people specifically from India. Perhaps because there's just a lot of Indian people in that area. If that's the case, and it is just a regional way of referring to Indian people, you can't really blame her for that.

Damn. You really need to calm down.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 02:28 PM
Shanghai Sweetie: What is your point? Are you just trying to discount one sentence of my post? Please post if you have something to contribute, not just to be a bitch.

erotictonic
10-24-2009, 02:52 PM
wow a whole thread of ignorance and wrong facts!!

I would tend to agree with you, to a certain extent. I don't think some people here accept their own ignorance before deciding to "teach" or judge, themselves. And if you are judging others for not knowing much about a culture, do you? How much do you know about all of the cultures in the world, so the same arguments may not be used against you, about another culture or race?

At the same time, attacking others without having a solid foundation of exactly who you are and why you do things, and your ideas aren't completely solid (in other words, you haven't applied the same things you are preaching to yourself and your own ideas, and there's alot of your information that is iffy at best), isn't a good idea. That's a good way to get owned. I do it sometimes, because it's a good way to learn, but I'm not as much throwing stones from a glass house, I have a bit of a foundation and can handle myself (a bit) better in the grand scheme of things (didn't used to be that way, so I understand). I accept my own ignorance. Regardless of how much I know, there is always going to be someone who knows more and thinks I'm ignorant.

The world is full of greys, not black and white. It can't "just be this way" and never will. It's the diversities that make America great. Accept it. And what you think someone should know, maybe they couldn't care less. But that doesn't make them a lesser person for it necessarily. Maybe they are good at math, think everyone should know what they know (narcissistic, btw), and think you're ignorant at that. But that's their fucking prerogative, and shoving it off on others, screaming with explanation points, all the while insulting them won't do anything for anybody. "You should know the quadratic equation! Where have you been all these years? You ignorant fool! Damn, math is just common sense!" It's just absurd.

Now I agree current events is something to be interested in (aware of), don't think I am against gaining knowledge and being current/educated, I'm just aware of the differences in people, and perhaps there are reasons why they might not be. I'm trying to promote tolerance by posting my reasons for not knowing all there is to know about the cultures (I know enough for me at the current time). That doesn't mean I can't be persuaded to know more, but I am definitely not going to learn it from someone who is insulting others, yelling with exclamation points, iffy on a lot of information, and not really self-defined.

I think it's important to define oneself in terms of how much one really knows and assessing what another knows before attempting to "teach" them anything. Some people are crafty, and they are in a different place that isn't so obvious to others. It happens to me all the time, I will read something and totally miss the point, because they know something I don't. People who know a lot of information are not necessarily good thinkers, or experienced for that matter. And people who are decent thinkers don't necessarily know alot of information.

Again, the world is full of greys.

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 03:17 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^
the USA is still not the most diverse country in the world, you cant make up facts!!!

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 03:19 PM
I think what she was alluding to, is that where she's from, when people say "Asian" they are often referring to people specifically from India. Perhaps because there's just a lot of Indian people in that area. If that's the case, and it is just a regional way of referring to Indian people, you can't really blame her for that.

Damn. You really need to calm down.

funny because i live in england too?! i dont refer to asians as indians or vice versa!

Elvia
10-24-2009, 03:21 PM
^^^Uh..erotictonic never said it was.

I have to ask, is there a language barrier at play here or something?

J.D.
10-24-2009, 03:22 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^
the USA is still not the most diverse country in the world, you cant make up facts!!!

I'm the one that said that, and I corrected myself. Get over it, find somewhere else to pick fights.

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 03:22 PM
You know, there's a way to make a point without being overly confrontational and causing even more tension. Just something for you to think about. I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was just on this occasion, but you seem to be developing a pattern here.
this whole thread is full of ignorant ideas and wrong facts, maybe i should agree with them to keep people happy i suppose ignorance is bliss and if i dont agree with someone then i'm attacking them! please i dont have to share your opinions or agree with wrong facts!

J.D.
10-24-2009, 03:23 PM
What wrong facts or ideas are you talking about?

Elvia
10-24-2009, 03:26 PM
this whole thread is full of ignorant ideas and wrong facts, maybe i should agree with them to keep people happy i suppose ignorance is bliss and if i dont agree with someone then i'm attacking them! please i dont have to share your opinions or agree with wrong facts!

oh pleeeaaase. No one said you had to agree, sweetheart. What I said was that there's a way to make a point without being a bitch about it. Was that clear enough for you?

Jesus, it's like talking to a 13 year old.

JadeJewel
10-24-2009, 05:44 PM
What?????Asian means people from the continent of Asia?!! thats what i always understood.

And also Indians are Asians, their nationality is Indian and their country is in the continent Asia. Not two seperate races! Like we are British and European. You wouldn't say European usualy means french or german or swedish would you? well maybe you would!

Maybe you should look up the definition of race,nationality and continent!!!

Actually I do think it is fair to say that in the UK, particularly up until quite recently, most people automatically used 'Asian' to refer to people from South Asia, whereas in the US and maybe elsewhere, it would generally mean Eastern Asia...

I really don't know why that is, of course we know technically they are all Asian, but I know it has been common in the not so distant past to use 'Oriental' in the UK when referring to East Asians, (I know this is seen as offensive in the States, and I hope noone takes this in that way, I am just saying).

xXmy shanghai sweetieXx
10-24-2009, 08:40 PM
I would tend to agree with you, to a certain extent. I don't think some people here accept their own ignorance before deciding to "teach" or judge, themselves. And if you are judging others for not knowing much about a culture, do you? How much do you know about all of the cultures in the world, so the same arguments may not be used against you, about another culture or race?

At the same time, attacking others without having a solid foundation of exactly who you are and why you do things, and your ideas aren't completely solid (in other words, you haven't applied the same things you are preaching to yourself and your own ideas, and there's alot of your information that is iffy at best), isn't a good idea. That's a good way to get owned. I do it sometimes, because it's a good way to learn, but I'm not as much throwing stones from a glass house, I have a bit of a foundation and can handle myself (a bit) better in the grand scheme of things (didn't used to be that way, so I understand). I accept my own ignorance. Regardless of how much I know, there is always going to be someone who knows more and thinks I'm ignorant.

The world is full of greys, not black and white. It can't "just be this way" and never will. It's the diversities that make America great. Accept it. And what you think someone should know, maybe they couldn't care less. But that doesn't make them a lesser person for it necessarily. Maybe they are good at math, think everyone should know what they know (narcissistic, btw), and think you're ignorant at that. But that's their fucking prerogative, and shoving it off on others, screaming with explanation points, all the while insulting them won't do anything for anybody. "You should know the quadratic equation! Where have you been all these years? You ignorant fool! Damn, math is just common sense!" It's just absurd.

Now I agree current events is something to be interested in (aware of), don't think I am against gaining knowledge and being current/educated, I'm just aware of the differences in people, and perhaps there are reasons why they might not be. I'm trying to promote tolerance by posting my reasons for not knowing all there is to know about the cultures (I know enough for me at the current time). That doesn't mean I can't be persuaded to know more, but I am definitely not going to learn it from someone who is insulting others, yelling with exclamation points, iffy on a lot of information, and not really self-defined.

I think it's important to define oneself in terms of how much one really knows and assessing what another knows before attempting to "teach" them anything. Some people are crafty, and they are in a different place that isn't so obvious to others. It happens to me all the time, I will read something and totally miss the point, because they know something I don't. People who know a lot of information are not necessarily good thinkers, or experienced for that matter. And people who are decent thinkers don't necessarily know alot of information.

Again, the world is full of greys.


Just for the record i wouldnt consider telling someone they can't make up facts trying to teach!!

Elvia
10-24-2009, 08:53 PM
1) What facts are you accusing erotictonic of making up?

2) I have to ask again- is English not your first language? Because there seems to be a lot of confusion here.

3) Using punctuation over-abundantly doesn't help you make your point. It's just annoying and makes you look immature.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 08:54 PM
She won't go back and read any responses. She just keeps screaming the same thing over and over.

Elvia
10-24-2009, 08:55 PM
I know, she seems a little crazy. It's like we have another lmiller on our hands.

sexy_celeste
10-25-2009, 12:09 AM
Sayid from Lost is hot!

Im married to a Chinese-Malay man, but before we dated I THOUGHT I was a lbonde/blue eyes fan.

My baby sister dated an Indian-Malaysian man, for 3 years and he threw her down a flight of stairs (as well as the regular beatings) so wouldnt date and Indian guy based on that.

Exotic can be nice :)

Jessie_tinydancer
10-25-2009, 01:27 AM
Ohhhhh man this thread is hilarious!

A few things to contribute...take them as you will

1) I've never found myself attracted to an indian man. It has nothing to do with how they may or may not treat women because I have never associated Indians with any sort of disrespect for women. I'm just not physically attracted to their features (brown skin, dark hair and eye). Not to say that I might not meet one at some point who would be attractive to me.

2) A lot of indians come into one of the clubs I work at and I find they tend to worship the ground I walk on. I never really understood why. A caucasian customer told me it was because I'm blonde, light eyes and fair skin and that they prized this western look, but I take that with a grain of salt. I'm not gonna question the reasons but you better believe I ask every single one of them for a dance and they have never ever tried to touch me or disrespect me. I've even taken 4 together at a time and they didn't speak indian in front of me at all. (I have a lot of Asians such as chinese speaking their own language in front of me which always makes me feel uncomfortable since I cant understand.)

3) I do not mean for this to be offensive in anyway but... I'm wondering if the more ignorant americans in this post realize what the rest of the world thinks of America? Ummm unlike most of Americans think...the rest of the world does not think you are superior. A lot of people think you are really stupid, uneducated, loud, bullies. Now of course that is not true! Yes it would describe some Americans but obviously not all. But seriously... a lot of people hate you. Doesn't feel very good does it? Maybe think about that before you stereotype others whether you care about learning something about their culture or not.

4) I'm surprised of how many girls seem to be judging an entire race based off of one or two examples. A lot of people think strippers are sexed-up drug addicts, but we know this is not ALL of us!

5) OMG! Arab and Indian is not the same. And not all Arabs or muslims are women haters. I feel sick. Thanks JD for providing a more refreshing view.

6) Sadly I think Lmiller was actually a little smarter...

erotictonic
10-25-2009, 02:07 AM
3) I do not mean for this to be offensive in anyway but... I'm wondering if the more ignorant americans in this post realize what the rest of the world thinks of America? Ummm unlike most of Americans think...the rest of the world does not think you are superior. A lot of people think you are really stupid, uneducated, loud, bullies. Now of course that is not true! Yes it would describe some Americans but obviously not all. But seriously... a lot of people hate you. Doesn't feel very good does it? Maybe think about that before you stereotype others whether you care about learning something about their culture or not.

4) I'm surprised of how many girls seem to be judging an entire race based off of one or two examples. A lot of people think strippers are sexed-up drug addicts, but we know this is not ALL of us!

5) OMG! Arab and Indian is not the same. And not all Arabs or muslims are women haters. I feel sick. Thanks JD for providing a more refreshing view.

6) Sadly I think Lmiller was actually a little smarter...

Are you referring to me here, in any way? As much as I am all for communicating your thoughts, dayum if you aren't prejudiced agaisnt America. I'm not one for thinking any government is all that, but.... provocation is what it is.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-25-2009, 02:19 AM
^^^ It's just some food for thought for everyone in the thread, not a personal attack on anyone in particular. Except maybe point #6 which is not referring to you.

erotictonic
10-25-2009, 02:21 AM
^^^ It's just some food for thought for everyone in the thread, not a personal attack on anyone in particular. Except maybe point #6 which is not referring to you.

oh well thanks for the explanation, im sure we'll all take it to heart.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-25-2009, 02:30 AM
Are you referring to me here, in any way? As much as I am all for communicating your thoughts, dayum if you aren't prejudiced agaisnt America. I'm not one for thinking any government is all that, but.... provocation is what it is.

Ummm did you miss the part when I said "Of course this is not true". I am not prejudiced against america... I just don't think Americans realize that a lot of people are. I get a lot of people saying to me, "I bet you hate it when people think your american" and my response is always, "why would I hate it? They're not all bad". Are you surprised that other people might have prejudices against you? If you are offended then I've made my point.

erotictonic
10-25-2009, 02:35 AM
Ummm did you miss the part when I said "Of course this is not true". I am not prejudiced against america... I just don't think Americans realize that a lot of people are. I get a lot of people saying to me, "I bet you hate it when people think your american" and my response is always, "why would I hate it? They're not all bad". Are you surprised that other people might have prejudices against you? If you are offended then I've made my point.

No, not at all. I think you can make any god damn point you want to make.
You just aren't backing up what you are saying. That's all.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-25-2009, 03:12 AM
I could look for a million examples to back it up, but maybe start here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/19/iraq/main541242.shtml

This section I think pretty much sums it up in my experience of what other people have said to me in my lifetime about the US.

"No survey can capture the global range of emotions the United States inspires. But there are common threads. No matter the language, words used these days to describe America are often the same: bent on war, arrogant, bullying, blind to the plight of the poor. At anti-war protests like those that brought millions onto streets worldwide this weekend, President Bush is lampooned as a bloodthirsty bandit or a cowboy."

I don't think you understand that all I am trying to show you that American's are seriously judged by the rest of the world. Racism, capitalism, war, that little thing called the GFC. So I'm curious...what do you think that other countries think about you?

I'm not saying its right...I'm saying its wrong! Just like its not right that people in this thread are judging Indian men based on a few examples or experiences that could be a minority. I'm seriously shocked if this is the first time that you are hearing that perhaps there are people in developed countries such as Australia, where I live, who don't like Americans. I'm not saying people are walking down the street cursing Americans or anything, just that they make fun of them...a lot.

Read the Australia section here:
http://www.loveushateus.com/country.asp

erotictonic
10-25-2009, 09:34 AM
I could look for a million examples to back it up, but maybe start here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/19/iraq/main541242.shtml

This section I think pretty much sums it up in my experience of what other people have said to me in my lifetime about the US.

"No survey can capture the global range of emotions the United States inspires. But there are common threads. No matter the language, words used these days to describe America are often the same: bent on war, arrogant, bullying, blind to the plight of the poor. At anti-war protests like those that brought millions onto streets worldwide this weekend, President Bush is lampooned as a bloodthirsty bandit or a cowboy."

I don't think you understand that all I am trying to show you that American's are seriously judged by the rest of the world. Racism, capitalism, war, that little thing called the GFC. So I'm curious...what do you think that other countries think about you?

I'm not saying its right...I'm saying its wrong! Just like its not right that people in this thread are judging Indian men based on a few examples or experiences that could be a minority. I'm seriously shocked if this is the first time that you are hearing that perhaps there are people in developed countries such as Australia, where I live, who don't like Americans. I'm not saying people are walking down the street cursing Americans or anything, just that they make fun of them...a lot.

Read the Australia section here:
http://www.loveushateus.com/country.asp

If you are referring to me, I don't judge anyone based on past experiences. Just because I post my experiences with Pakistanis and Indians doesn't mean I am judging anyone I meet based on these experiences. I expect each person to prove themselves individually. And if they are true, that won't be any problem at all, regardless of what I think anyway. I sure wouldn't care if someone had predetermined what they think I am, because there's no question to me they won't be right, and they will know that, and if they are right, I accept that. I don't expect everyone to like me, especially initially. If I like someone, it doesn't matter what I think about people of the same race (I'm just making the point that, even if I did have some pre-determinations, it wouldn't make a difference if the right person came along). I'm going to like them. A true friendship happens rarely for me, so when it does, I am grateful for it.

Just because someone wrote something doesn't make it true.

I don't think many Americans care much what Australians think of us. It's not an issue that makes any difference. It's more akin to, "Did you hear what Sally said about Steve?" Gossip isn't meaningful. There's not much we can do about it anyways. The media in the chosen country, and the culture, drives what they believe. I expect some to like us, others not to. They are standing in a different place, and they have their own perspectives. I think Americans have a lot of issues, right now the economy for instance, that overshadow them thinking a whole lot about what other countries think. Unless we are endangered by it, or have some other reason to bring it to the forefront, the most it will get is a "Australians think we are a bunch of bullies.... their media paints the picture of us as a bunch of bullies. (That's funny or weird or messed up.... depending on what the person thinks)." And then that's about it forever. I've only thought about this maybe a few times in my life, because there are more pressing issues and things to do that are interesting.

Just like in America, many Australians believe what's on tv. So be it.

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-25-2009, 02:37 PM
What a shame to be so ignorant against an entire nationality of people due to knowing only a handful. I know some Pakistanis that are dicks, but the vast majority I know are super people. Pakistani men have also always been excellent customers to me in the club. Plus I have a Pak fuck-buddy, and he's the bees knees.

Maybe asshole just runs in this particular family, erotictonic?

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-25-2009, 02:47 PM
I, personally DO care what people from other countries think about America. I travel frequently, and there was a certain recent 8 year period where I would get verbally assaulted and insulted when I mentioned where I live. Its really annoying. We live in a well-connected world, and its really sad that the US has received this reputation.

Fortunately, I have also often disproven many of these people in their ignorance. Then again, I'm not actually american either.

J.D.
10-25-2009, 02:58 PM
Yes! I travel frequently as well, and it does get annoying! I just returned from the Middle East, and as soon as anyone found out I am American, they automatically felt the need to explain and defend their culture and religion to me, I had to tell them that not all Americans are ignorant and stereotype, some of us are open minded.

erotictonic
10-27-2009, 02:04 AM
What a shame to be so ignorant against an entire nationality of people due to knowing only a handful. I know some Pakistanis that are dicks, but the vast majority I know are super people. Pakistani men have also always been excellent customers to me in the club. Plus I have a Pak fuck-buddy, and he's the bees knees.

Maybe asshole just runs in this particular family, erotictonic?

Nah, it's more than just one family I'm referring to. It's the culture that drives it. It's just the way they do business.

When you do business with them everyday, you start to learn how it's done in Pakistan. They don't have to abide by American rules over there, and there's some nasty shit going on. Sure, there's good and bad everywhere, but their good is going to be pretty nasty comparatively. It's their environment and what they are taught. Their normal day would give me a god damn moral hemmorhage lol. And I'm not all that fascinatingly great myself.

Just being IN Pakistan would be enough to cause me to want to kill myself. They live in fear of being bombed as they sit in their offices.

It's the place, not necessarily the people. Same as anywhere. Environment is a very strong indicator of what the people there will be like. Regardless of how much some of the people would like to be what we consider "good", they can't define it.

They have "servants" based on last name. LOL. I could be walking around with a 130 iq, and be a servant, because my last name wasn't right. Enough said. They are very primitive.

As far as American Pakistanis, some of them are relatively harmless (because they don't have a lot of power), but I've never met one I consider honorable. Never. If I did, sure, I would be happy about it. I judge based on a person's actions. It doesn't matter what race they are. I judge everyone the same way. And if the shoe fits, it fits.

About Pakistani businesses specifically:
They don't even know wtf the rules are, much less are they abiding by them. Being in Pakistan would be enough to put 99% of normal Americans in a fucking state of shock. They don't have the capacity to understand our laws, and American Pakistanis are fucking up left and right for the same reasons. Most of them haven't been here long enough to work it all out. And the ones who have still have business ties to Pakistan. They are here to skim as much money out of this fucking country as they can, and they want to do it as off-the-hook as possible. There are people here who are doing the same things they are, or would like to. The difference is, our laws somewhat protect most of us from getting as deeply screwed as they can do over there.

Have you ever heard the saying, "it takes one to know one?" Well I learned from my mistakes.

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-27-2009, 03:14 PM
About Pakistani businesses specifically:
They don't even know wtf the rules are, much less are they abiding by them. Being in Pakistan would be enough to put 99% of normal Americans in a fucking state of shock. They don't have the capacity to understand our laws, and American Pakistanis are fucking up left and right for the same reasons. Most of them haven't been here long enough to work it all out. And the ones who have still have business ties to Pakistan. They are here to skim as much money out of this fucking country as they can, and they want to do it as off-the-hook as possible. There are people here who are doing the same things they are, or would like to. The difference is, our laws somewhat protect most of us from getting as deeply screwed as they can do over there.

Have you ever heard the saying, "it takes one to know one?" Well I learned from my mistakes.

Wow. Just, wow. Why don't you replace the word "Pakistani" with African and African American. Then let's see how big this thread blows up.

Srsly, I'm done here.

erotictonic
10-27-2009, 05:18 PM
Wow. Just, wow. Why don't you replace the word "Pakistani" with African and African American. Then let's see how big this thread blows up.

Srsly, I'm done here.

They've been here a lot longer. They aren't coming here for the reasons of skimming money and sending it back overseas to their economy, using Paks for cheap labor over there, so they can further line their pockets.

It might seem like an asshole thing to say, sure, but it's true. I'll say worse about Bill Gates, and he's not Pakistani. People who don't do the right thing don't sit well with me. Changes need to be made. And not saying it and pretending nothing is going on is allowing it. Sorry.

And you've got a point there. People get what they deserve either way, whether they want to accept what they are or not.

Pretty_Penny
10-27-2009, 09:51 PM
I don't know why I came back in here. I told myself I wouldn't, but I did, and now I'm just fucking depressed.

J.D.
10-27-2009, 11:04 PM
I'll say it again. There is an equal mix of good and bad people in every race/religion/culture. Period.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-27-2009, 11:45 PM
They've been here a lot longer. They aren't coming here for the reasons of skimming money and sending it back overseas to their economy, using Paks for cheap labor over there, so they can further line their pockets.

It might seem like an asshole thing to say, sure, but it's true. I'll say worse about Bill Gates, and he's not Pakistani. People who don't do the right thing don't sit well with me. Changes need to be made. And not saying it and pretending nothing is going on is allowing it. Sorry.

And you've got a point there. People get what they deserve either way, whether they want to accept what they are or not.

I tried to resist but I can't ahhhhh! K so yes they've (african/african american's) have been there longer.... because white people brought them there to be slaves! Don't corporations all over the world (British, American, Canadian, Australian) use Indian labour to further line their pockets?

Pretty much every country in the world that has a "class" system has servants; including african, asian, and middle eastern countries. These people aren't working for free. The are paid and have a roof over their heads, right or wrong I'd rather that then living on the street. One of my friends lived in a third world country for most of his life and had servants. He also had many, many illegal business dealings, but he's actually a top guy! When he left his country he actually let his servants stay in his home...for free. He doesn't disrespect women and he will treat his closest friends like family. Your right, a lot of these countries are hell holes, but that's what makes it impossible for people to make it if they follow every rule and law.

If you think there are no African's (as in immigrants) living in America sending money back to their countries your wrong. There are shady business deals happening in every country, completed by every ethnicity/race. It's not a race thing, its a human thing, as you have implied using Bill Gates as an example. It's human nature to do what's best for yourself. It's called survival of the fittest. Sometimes it fueled by desperation and it's fueled by greed. It isn't pretty, but unfortunately it's life. I hear you saying you judge people as individual's but your comment's are contradicting. I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't some real assholes out there. There are dickhead Indians, Pakistani's, Asian's, American's, Canadian's, Brits, Aussies, etc, etc. But I bet you I can find a sexy, sweet, suitable hottie in every country. Hmmmm now there's an idea... might be a fun challenge... anyone up for a travel adventure? ;)

J.D.
10-28-2009, 05:38 AM
If you think there are no African's (as in immigrants) living in America sending money back to their countries your wrong. There are shady business deals happening in every country, completed by every ethnicity/race. It's not a race thing, its a human thing, as you have implied using Bill Gates as an example. It's human nature to do what's best for yourself. It's called survival of the fittest. Sometimes it fueled by desperation and it's fueled by greed. It isn't pretty, but unfortunately it's life. I hear you saying you judge people as individual's but your comment's are contradicting. I don't think anyone is saying that there aren't some real assholes out there. There are dickhead Indians, Pakistani's, Asian's, American's, Canadian's, Brits, Aussies, etc, etc. But I bet you I can find a sexy, sweet, suitable hottie in every country. Hmmmm now there's an idea... might be a fun challenge... anyone up for a travel adventure? ;)


Thank you Jesse!

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-28-2009, 04:40 PM
You said you moved to California to be around more open-minded people compared to the south. Have you actually met any? And if so, have you actually learned anything? Because ET, you sound like a small-town southern country bumkin redneck with no education or life experience. Maybe you should have stayed back in South Carolina?