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malayataylor
11-04-2009, 08:17 AM
What about "exclusive" escorts ? Are they more regarded as sugarbabies than escorts because they will only "service" one-three men a day max or even a week ?
If you did work for an agency however were already obligated to two other income streams and thus using it as a way to help fund these income streams (businesses) thus get out of debt etc.. how can they ask for you to work more when you just cannot ?
Just like I understand the difference between private party stripping and strip club stripping... I'm guessing there is the same difference between brothel girls and callgirls ?
Do you (this question is for anyone who wants to answer) think if someone has plenty experience as a private party stripper (both the worker and agency side of the biz) can jump straight into making a good go of being independent ?
... discuss ...
Also, does anyone know some good forums for working ladies (esp. Australian focused) where I might be able to field my questions / curiosity ?
Hi,
Escorts are Escorts..and never regarded as sugarbabies. Whether they see one man a month or 10 men a week they're still escorts. In other words there is not difference between an escort that charges $250 an hour and an escort that charges 1k an hour. The only thing that divides them is their "Class". :)
Some agencies are good, Some play the sweet role when you first get hired and then are hell later and some are just merely bad for you. It's best to do your research but then again i've found that the more reputable an agency is dosen't have anything to do with how an agency will treat you. My agency treated me like shit and they're the best in the state. I made mad money for them but it was always about HER HER HER and No they don't care if you have other streams of income as long as you pick up the phone when they call you for an appointment. Make sure you're firm about what days you can work and what days you can't and MAYBE they'll respect that.
I'll give you my take on this but i think minnie can answer this question better than I can: Brothel girls and call girls are very different. Brothel girls are housed, have to pay a house fee like a stripper does and also have to fork over 50% of their earnings and still have to pay doctor and sheriff fees. Bunny ranch for example has this policy. I don't know about the other ranches in carson city. Usually a guy goes to a brothel to simply have sex. Independent escorts live on their own, market themselves whether its word of mouth or online, are responsible for their own clinic check ups and keep all their earnings. Men see independent escorts for many reasons...It's not just all about sex. Some men hire independent escorts to simply have a beautiful girl to talk to, to escort them to dinners, concerts, parties or to simply have sex. For example, I had a 2 hour call last week with guy that wanted me to take me out for a sandwich..we came back to his place and watched "Curb your enthusiasm" the whole time...Every call is different. How much did i make for that call? $750 including tips.
I think anyone can jump into being indy but not everyone can do it the right way. That's why i recommend working with an agency at first to gain experience. If you think you can deal with it then DO IT :). Do you know to not answer questions like "How much for sex?", "How much are YOU?", "what r ur rates?" (<<notice the way i wrote that), "Are you full service?", "What do i get for this?"..If you know then that's a start..Strippers always think that since they were stripper it'll be easy for them to transition into escort. For some it is but for most that's not the case...Only you would know if you can do it or not. I'd suggest talking to escorts in your area or better yet get one of them to take you under their wing if you don't want to go the agency route.
As for forums for working ladies in your area...Try ASPD :) Hope this helps!
Clare
11-04-2009, 08:42 AM
What about "exclusive" escorts ? Are they more regarded as sugarbabies than escorts because they will only "service" one-three men a day max or even a week ?
If you did work for an agency however were already obligated to two other income streams and thus using it as a way to help fund these income streams (businesses) thus get out of debt etc.. how can they ask for you to work more when you just cannot ?
Just like I understand the difference between private party stripping and strip club stripping... I'm guessing there is the same difference between brothel girls and callgirls ?
Do you (this question is for anyone who wants to answer) think if someone has plenty experience as a private party stripper (both the worker and agency side of the biz) can jump straight into making a good go of being independent ?
... discuss ...
Also, does anyone know some good forums for working ladies (esp. Australian focused) where I might be able to field my questions / curiosity ?
I second what Maya said about the difference is class.
An excellent resource on what to do and what NOT to do is "the PhD of Hooking" http://www.buffalocharm.com/2/phd.htm
Also, find boards in your area where hobbyists (clients) and ASPs discuss various things. www.theotherboard.com (http://www.theotherboard.com) is excellent for asking questions and you'll get answers from both sides of the coin.
Stripping and hooking are two different things. One you sell the ILLUSION of sex, the other you sell blocks of time and your ultimate goal is a happy, returning client.
malayataylor
11-04-2009, 09:39 PM
I second what Maya said about the difference is class.
An excellent resource on what to do and what NOT to do is "the PhD of Hooking"
Also, find boards in your area where hobbyists (clients) and ASPs discuss various things. is excellent for asking questions and you'll get answers from both sides of the coin.
Stripping and hooking are two different things. One you sell the ILLUSION of sex, the other you sell blocks of time and your ultimate goal is a happy, returning client.
Wow Clare, Thank you for posting that link. I've been recommending "PhD of Hooking" to newbies and independents already in the business. It's very infomative and gives a glimpse of what the industry is really like and really what to do and what Not to do like you said.
I love the article she writes about paying your taxes and the paragraph she writes about barebacking . It concerns and puzzles me that some girls are willing to ruin themselves for an extra $100, wow ...but anyways ...once again thanks for posting the link for the girls who are interested.
goodkittie397
11-16-2009, 01:46 PM
Eeeew I would never fuck for that little money. I'm not against escorting , but it would really bother me to be doing two or three guys a day. At the end of the month ''the number'' really would accumulate. What if after a while you realize that you have done hundreds of men?
lilmisssunshine
11-16-2009, 02:13 PM
^^^Honey, that's what escorts do. They have sex with men. It's not for the skittish or prudish. And when the number of men add up, so does the amount of money you are taking to the bank. More men = more money. Even if you charge a hella a lot of money, it still comes down to more men = more money.
malayataylor
11-16-2009, 02:53 PM
Eeeew I would never fuck for that little money. I'm not against escorting , but it would really bother me to be doing two or three guys a day. At the end of the month ''the number'' really would accumulate. What if after a while you realize that you have done hundreds of men?
There are other ways to express yourself than sounding stupid and plain ignorant or should i say "ignant". Who cares about the "number" ...do you know how much escorts (Like myself) make? I've been a dancer...uhh hated it! (No offense to the dancers out there) I love escorting! And i hope the "number" doubles next month.. Like seriously LOL!! And for those that think escorting messes up your body...think again my body is perfect and my skin is GREAT...Just Fyi ...
^^^Honey, that's what escorts do. They have sex with men. It's not for the skittish or prudish. And when the number of men add up, so does the amount of money you are taking to the bank. More men = more money. Even if you charge a hella a lot of money, it still comes down to more men = more money.
Thanks for explaining this sweetie. I've said this many times and i'll say it again "ESCORTING IS NOT FOR EVERYONE". ..just like camming and dancing is not for everyone...You have to find what you're good at and what you LOVE doing and stick to it ...Have you ever heard the saying "do what you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life"...that's how i feel...
Ppl don't think about it ok ... say your rate is $300 an hour ... working just 5 DAYS A WEEK ..and seeing 2 clients a day that's $600 a day and 3k for those 5 days.... in a month that's 12k. Just seeing 2 ppl a day not including weekends... ha! Uhh I say MORE MEN PLEASE! haha!!
lilmisssunshine
11-16-2009, 03:06 PM
Just think what 4 men a day brings!
Btw, lots of women out there have sex with their man or boyfriend a couple of times a day, and don't get anything more out of it than a bunch of bs and heartache.
malayataylor
11-16-2009, 03:18 PM
Just think what 4 men a day brings!
Btw, lots of women out there have sex with their man or boyfriend a couple of times a day, and don't get anything more out of it than a bunch of bs and heartache.
You can say that again ..i'll never understand it. Ha! OOh 4 appointmenents a day eh? Let's even say at $250 an hour...that's $1,000 a day and $5,000 working just 5 days = 20k a month= $260,000 a year! crazy$$ eh?
MsClaireVoyant
11-16-2009, 05:43 PM
Who cares about the number? How stupid. It only matters if it matters to you, and if it matters to you its because you have some negative attachment in your mind that having sex with a higher number of people somehow = less self respect or self worth. I'll tell you what = less self respect... NOT respecting yourself. Malaya clearly has tons of self respect. Don't be a hater.
malayataylor
11-16-2009, 06:04 PM
Who cares about the number? How stupid. It only matters if it matters to you, and if it matters to you its because you have some negative attachment in your mind that having sex with a higher number of people somehow = less self respect or self worth. I'll tell you what = less self respect... NOT respecting yourself. Malaya clearly has tons of self respect. Don't be a hater.
Thank you MsClaire!!! :)
Clare
11-17-2009, 08:28 PM
You can say that again ..i'll never understand it. Ha! OOh 4 appointmenents a day eh? Let's even say at $250 an hour...that's $1,000 a day and $5,000 working just 5 days = 20k a month= $260,000 a year! crazy$$ eh?
Ideally you schedule more multi-hours and overnights - less men, more money. I'm not a HDH (high dollar hottie) but I only see men I screen, click with, can talk to, and I don't do less than 3 hour appointments.
When I first started I did Craiglist ads and had to put up with weirdos, cheap skates, men wanting to short the envelope, men who hadn't showered in days. I turned those away at the door.
Now I have a discreet website and am mostly word of mouth. I insist on email as first contact (this negates that "I've got $200 and am horny NOW!" idiot calling) and will get to know the man before we meet. The caliber of clientelle is vastly better.
I charge $1500 for "an afternoon" (3 hours). I ONLY see one man a day and it's almost always at my incall. I serve a light lunch, we lounge in bed... actual sex is usually just once. They're paying for a date experience more than a quick fuck. The men who shell out this type of money are great, they bring gifts, tip, and most importantly, treat me like a human, not as a warming device for a vagina.
If I get requests for nights or weekends, my rate almost doubles. My free time is valuable to me.
Here are some excellent links.
http://www.aspd.net/showthread.php?threadid=477170
http://www.theinternetescortshandbook.com/notebook/escortsupport-column/expensive-high-end-escorts/
Being an escort is liberating. I love the finanical freedom, the ability to set my own hours. But I also like being low-volume.
malayataylor
11-18-2009, 01:50 PM
Ideally you schedule more multi-hours and overnights - less men, more money. I'm not a HDH (high dollar hottie) but I only see men I screen, click with, can talk to, and I don't do less than 3 hour appointments.
When I first started I did Craiglist ads and had to put up with weirdos, cheap skates, men wanting to short the envelope, men who hadn't showered in days. I turned those away at the door.
Now I have a discreet website and am mostly word of mouth. I insist on email as first contact (this negates that "I've got $200 and am horny NOW!" idiot calling) and will get to know the man before we meet. The caliber of clientelle is vastly better.
I charge $1500 for "an afternoon" (3 hours). I ONLY see one man a day and it's almost always at my incall. I serve a light lunch, we lounge in bed... actual sex is usually just once. They're paying for a date experience more than a quick fuck. The men who shell out this type of money are great, they bring gifts, tip, and most importantly, treat me like a human, not as a warming device for a vagina.
If I get requests for nights or weekends, my rate almost doubles. My free time is valuable to me.
Here are some excellent links.
Being an escort is liberating. I love the finanical freedom, the ability to set my own hours. But I also like being low-volume.
You only schedule 3 hour or more appointments? and a 3 hour appointment with you is 1500 and you're NOT HDH? I'm confused..that's a HDH to me. Maybe a courtesan? :)
I've never posted on craigslist. I first started out with the agency (so i'm sure you have read) though i hated it ...i basically started my independent journey by learning as much as i could from the agency, chatting with Minnie, browsing escort websites and posting on forums though it was a lil harder starting out because i had no reviews.
I could charge 12k a day if i wanted to ....but will i get business? :).. that's the million dollar question. I believe you have to crawl before you walk in this business...actually i learned that the hard way(i've only been in the business less than a year). I thought that i could just name a price and gents would pay it...the truth is if you live here in the USA...gents will want to know that you provide great service and are legit (meaning you're not LE) before they shell out the big bucks. Good reviews are where the $$$$$'s at!
I'm guessing you haven't seen my escort site. I SCREEN SCREEN SCREEN and SCREEN and My rates double for 12 hour and up excursions... My time is valuable to me too. And i also have been booking all my appointments via email. for me it's been a lot safer that way. In the next few days, I'll be hiring a p.a to do all my marketing, screening and booking....
I've learned that every escort "works" differently. I know HDH and courtesans that are completely UTR. I know girls that do not have sites and make good money they just advertise. I know girls that don't have a cell phones and book via email only. It's just about how you want to run your business.
I charge $1500 for "an afternoon" (3 hours). I ONLY see one man a day and it's almost always at my incall. I serve a light lunch, we lounge in bed... actual sex is usually just once. They're paying for a date experience more than a quick fuck. The men who shell out this type of money are great, they bring gifts, tip, and most importantly, treat me like a human, not as a warming device for a vagina.
If i was charging 1500 for a 3 hour appointment and getting 1500 3 hour appointments everyday ...i don't think i would want to see more than one client a day. I dunno...maybe everyone's different. Anyways, Are there escorts that allow more that "once"? I don't ..Having said that, I do not serve a light lunch though i do offer refereshments (drinks and a light snack).
My clients bring gifts, tip and treat me like a human and i've never had a an appointment where i wasn't into the guy. I have mastered the ability to find the good in my clients...."Ooh he's fat but he has beautiful eyes and i love his accent" for example.
I love my job...i'm just mad i didn't get into the business earlier.
P.s I've read those links before.
Clare
11-18-2009, 10:17 PM
lol, no I don't consider myself a HDH, more courtesan. I think of HDHs as being in primo shape; I'm voluptuous. HDH seem to like going on actual "dates" ($$$ restaurants, theater, etc); I have kids and prefer I keep it to the noon hours.
I jumped into escorting and I've made my mistakes. I hope I'm not the only escort who has answered a call alone in a motel room on a slow day and accepted a lower rate to "make the day worthwhile" (and I'm sure I'm not) I look back at my starter days and cringe, lol.
I just gravitated to higher rates/less clients for my sanity. I've had the $200/hr x 6 clients days and it wears you out, physically,mentally, spiritually. I probably make a tad bit less charging more because I don't work every day but for me the calmness of this pace suits me fine.
I haven't checked out your site, Maya, but I sure will! It's nice to talk to another working girl! Do you ever feel you're alone?
malayataylor
11-19-2009, 01:27 AM
lol, no I don't consider myself a HDH, more courtesan. I think of HDHs as being in primo shape; I'm voluptuous. HDH seem to like going on actual "dates" ($$$ restaurants, theater, etc); I have kids and prefer I keep it to the noon hours.
I jumped into escorting and I've made my mistakes. I hope I'm not the only escort who has answered a call alone in a motel room on a slow day and accepted a lower rate to "make the day worthwhile" (and I'm sure I'm not) I look back at my starter days and cringe, lol.
I just gravitated to higher rates/less clients for my sanity. I've had the $200/hr x 6 clients days and it wears you out, physically,mentally, spiritually. I probably make a tad bit less charging more because I don't work every day but for me the calmness of this pace suits me fine.
I haven't checked out your site, Maya, but I sure will! It's nice to talk to another working girl! Do you ever feel you're alone?
Clare,
I consider myself HDH definetely not courtesan...i work out three times a week and go to the spa twice a month(Just started getting the facials/microdermabrasion treeatments). I agree that HDHs go out on more dates. I have an appointment on saturday to go to a wine bar and jazz concert by the lake and have been getting a lot of gents requesting i escort them to a concert of some sort..
I've seen more well known escorts come here charging 1500 for 3 hours but they don't have that minimum you have ..ya know? I'm sure it's about preference. My rates are $300 an hour ..when i tour they'd go up. For example: NY $500 an hour, VA beach $400 an hour...Maybe later on when i've gained more experience i will have that 2-3 hour minimum but right now ..nope..lol..i know when i do switch it'll be nerve wrecking (Maybe fear of not getting calls ..I'm sure with my reviews i will :D)
I learned early on by talking to Minnie, Kenya and by working with the agency to never lower my rate whatsoever...because when you do guys go ..."I paid xxx for her time tuesday why should i pay xxxx to see her again today." Though i hated my time with the agency (I know i keep saying this) That was one of the things they taught me. I NEVER let gents haggle me ...
Having said all this, I think we need more women like you in the industry. Soo many girls on craigslist nowadays selling themselves short. I'm a mother myself. My daughter is One and eight months and I remember days (Even before i got into the adult industry itself) when I would go to the store and not be able to get things she needed. I remember my first call working with the agency just a few months ago how $400 seemed like a million bucks at that moment and i remember thinking to myself "Holy sh** I can do this again? really?"LOL!
Do i ever get lonely? Yes. I isolate myself alot. I don't go out much at all. It's all work work work with me .. For example: Novemeber 6th was my big sister's bday and i took her out of state to celebrate. Got her a room at a luxury hotel, spa package, took her shopping and out to lunch the next day...We were lounging in the room and she turned and asked me "Where do you get all this money from? and i wasn't prepared at all and just hated having to lie to her. Apart of me wanted to burst out and say "I'M AN ESCORT DAMMIT" but couldn't do it. I find myself avoiding my family (mom,dad,sis,bro) a lot...but when i'm NOT working my daughter is ALWAYS with me.
Do i ever feel bad about what i do? Never..I love what i do genuinely. Do i ever feel guilty making bank deposits? Hell yes. I feel like the bank teller is thinking "What does this girl do for a living?" ...ha! Just guilt!
my question to you is..Do you ever feel paranoid? I do. I think a little bit of paranoia is good in this business though especially here in the U.S and with so much going on.
$1500 would definitely be an HDH around here! I'd get back in the game if I could pull that! Well, I dunno, just sayin'
Anyway, it does make more sense to package hours that way. I was just making a point to the poster about judging an escort based on the "number" of men.
And yes, Clare, I found myself alone alot. Probably the biggest reason I moved on. I didn't move on for lack of money (certainly not), because I hated the work or was afraid of the law. The work was great at times. But it really can be lonely work at times and tough to keep a secret life from those that are close to you. I did find other girls to chat with from time to time, but all in all, after doing it long enough I started to hunger for a "normal" life.
I don't have any kids. Maybe if I had kids I wouldn't have felt that way so much.
Misssunshine,
The packages make a lot of sense but see what if i book a 3 hour call with a gent and we don't "click" or he dosen't respect my limits. This is one of the reasons why i don't propose that minimum restriction. Another reason i have chosen not to have that limit is.....Traveling businessman....Some come from england, austrailia, india ...they get to thier rooms and are tired as hell and just want that hour with a beautiful woman..this is where i come in ..ha! Though i would love to milk them for all thier money sometimes you get there and wanna get out....nature of the business..I'm sure i'm not the only one that's felt this way.
Having a little one make it a lot easier. I don't feel lonely as much and i always come home to someone that loves me no matter what ..ya know? I guess it's just one of those things.
Quick story: I had a VERY wealthy client that had just flew in from england. I got to his hotel room (Marriott) and he had chocolate and bottle of moet waiting for me and music playing. I remember thinking "OOh i like this guy already" He lays $600 on the counter for 2 hours of my time And within the first 45 minutes he falls alseep and tips me $100 ...Do you know how happy i was ? I didnt' even say an hour and pocketed $700.
Clare
11-19-2009, 09:06 AM
$1500 would definitely be an HDH around here! I'd get back in the game if I could pull that! Well, I dunno, just sayin'
Anyway, it does make more sense to package hours that way. I was just making a point to the poster about judging an escort based on the "number" of men.
And yes, Clare, I found myself alone alot. Probably the biggest reason I moved on. I didn't move on for lack of money (certainly not), because I hated the work or was afraid of the law. The work was great at times. But it really can be lonely work at times and tough to keep a secret life from those that are close to you. I did find other girls to chat with from time to time, but all in all, after doing it long enough I started to hunger for a "normal" life.
I don't have any kids. Maybe if I had kids I wouldn't have felt that way so much.
The solitude is the worse part. I don't try to hide what I do too much - my husband and all my friends know, and whenever appropriate (at STD clinic for those once a month check-ups, etc) I DO state what I do as sort of a public awareness "yes we have hookers here in this day and age" thing, but still it's very solitary. I'll find myself calling another ASP for a reference and end up talking for an hour, lol! Even those who know WHAT I do can't relate to my actual DAY, if they're not in the work themselves, if that makes any sense.
babybambi08
11-19-2009, 09:28 AM
I have a question, isn't anyone scared of going to jail? I didn't think of that til now.. Does anyone know what type of jail time might you get?
Also ... What do you bring with you in the hotel? What would u say where nice extras for you and clients?
I have flameless candles , I spray the room with a light spray like fabreeze. I have soap out and mouth spray in the restroom.
Clare
11-19-2009, 09:54 AM
Clare,
I consider myself HDH definetely not courtesan...i work out three times a week and go to the spa twice a month(Just started getting the facials/microdermabrasion treeatments). I agree that HDHs go out on more dates. I have an appointment on saturday to go to a wine bar and jazz concert by the lake and have been getting a lot of gents requesting i escort them to a concert of some sort..
I've seen more well known escorts come here charging 1500 for 3 hours but they don't have that minimum you have ..ya know? I'm sure it's about preference. My rates are $300 an hour ..when i tour they'd go up. For example: NY $500 an hour, VA beach $400 an hour...Maybe later on when i've gained more experience i will have that 2-3 hour minimum but right now ..nope..lol..i know when i do switch it'll be nerve wrecking (Maybe fear of not getting calls ..I'm sure with my reviews i will :D)
I learned early on by talking to Minnie, Kenya and by working with the agency to never lower my rate whatsoever...because when you do guys go ..."I paid xxx for her time tuesday why should i pay xxxx to see her again today." Though i hated my time with the agency (I know i keep saying this) That was one of the things they taught me. I NEVER let gents haggle me ...
Having said all this, I think we need more women like you in the industry. Soo many girls on craigslist nowadays selling themselves short. I'm a mother myself. My daughter is One and eight months and I remember days (Even before i got into the adult industry itself) when I would go to the store and not be able to get things she needed. I remember my first call working with the agency just a few months ago how $400 seemed like a million bucks at that moment and i remember thinking to myself "Holy sh** I can do this again? really?"LOL!
Do i ever get lonely? Yes. I isolate myself alot. I don't go out much at all. It's all work work work with me .. For example: Novemeber 6th was my big sister's bday and i took her out of state to celebrate. Got her a room at a luxury hotel, spa package, took her shopping and out to lunch the next day...We were lounging in the room and she turned and asked me "Where do you get all this money from? and i wasn't prepared at all and just hated having to lie to her. Apart of me wanted to burst out and say "I'M AN ESCORT DAMMIT" but couldn't do it. I find myself avoiding my family (mom,dad,sis,bro) a lot...but when i'm NOT working my daughter is ALWAYS with me.
Do i ever feel bad about what i do? Never..I love what i do genuinely. Do i ever feel guilty making bank deposits? Hell yes. I feel like the bank teller is thinking "What does this girl do for a living?" ...ha! Just guilt!
my question to you is..Do you ever feel paranoid? I do. I think a little bit of paranoia is good in this business though especially here in the U.S and with so much going on.
Misssunshine,
The packages make a lot of sense but see what if i book a 3 hour call with a gent and we don't "click" or he dosen't respect my limits. This is one of the reasons why i don't propose that minimum restriction. Another reason i have chosen not to have that limit is.....Traveling businessman....Some come from england, austrailia, india ...they get to thier rooms and are tired as hell and just want that hour with a beautiful woman..this is where i come in ..ha! Though i would love to milk them for all thier money sometimes you get there and wanna get out....nature of the business..I'm sure i'm not the only one that's felt this way.
Having a little one make it a lot easier. I don't feel lonely as much and i always come home to someone that loves me no matter what ..ya know? I guess it's just one of those things.
Quick story: I had a VERY wealthy client that had just flew in from england. I got to his hotel room (Marriott) and he had chocolate and bottle of moet waiting for me and music playing. I remember thinking "OOh i like this guy already" He lays $600 on the counter for 2 hours of my time And within the first 45 minutes he falls alseep and tips me $100 ...Do you know how happy i was ? I didnt' even say an hour and pocketed $700.
You need to make time AWAY from the business. Otherwise you'll get burned out and lose touch with who you truly are. Schedule days off more, pencil in days for just fun with your daughter.
ANYTIME a client disrespects your limits, tell him ONCE. If he does it again, LEAVE. A bad review is better than compromising yourself and your safety. Chances are, he won't write a review and even if he does, write a rebuttal. Last week I did an outcall for 3 hours, $1700. Nice guy, gentleman, BUT questionable hygiene (no handsoap in his bathroom) and I had to tell him twice not to lick my
[email protected]@, once before he went down there and sure enough, he tried WHILE down there. I shoulda left but figured maybe he didn't hear the first time. He called me for another appointment this week and I said NO. Yes the money would be nice but I wouldn't be genuinely having fun with this man. No money is worth settling for less than stellar treatment.
Lol, you are SO right about never lowering your rate. I have one regular who ONE TIME I lowered my rate for (everytime he wanted an appointment one month I was busy so I felt bad) and since then he's figured that's his "new rate". He's a sweetie though so I don't say anything. Other than that, no. Men like status symbols - the expensive cars, the one of a kind gadget - and they'll find the money for whatever it is they want.
malayataylor
11-19-2009, 11:00 AM
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minniesoporno
11-19-2009, 04:52 PM
hey Malaya I never see you on msn. hope all is well.
MsClaireVoyant
11-19-2009, 05:25 PM
"I told him to stop sticking his finger in my
[email protected]@ and he wouldn't stop so i stuck a pen up his and he stopped."
^Haha. :) You win.
babybambi08
11-20-2009, 12:10 AM
I just had someone ask me today if I had pictures on the net! I said no but I don't know if he believed me, ugh !!
So everyone what is your COVER JOB? Mine is dancer but people still think it's bad!
Dieguteteufelin
11-20-2009, 12:12 AM
I told him to stop sticking his finger in my
[email protected]@ and he wouldn't stop so i stuck a pen up his and he stopped.
That quote just made me crack up. I've been doing this for a few months now and never had anything like that happen. I tour with an agency so I really only work a few days a month. Great agency, absolutely love it. Toyed with going indy, then realized I have too much to lose to have my face plastered on Eros and I'd rather remain UTR seeing primarily their client referrals.
Worst I ever had was one guy kept trying to play with my backdoor. I told him nicely to stop then firmly to stop and wash his hands. When he returned he asked if I do Greek. I told him absolutely not and that his hour was up (he had 10 more minutes). He tried to play it off like he was joking but when I sent him on his way he must not have said anything to the girls at the office because it never was brought up. :-P Next time I'll need to remember your special pen trick :)
malayataylor
11-20-2009, 08:37 AM
hey Malaya I never see you on msn. hope all is well.
Yes Minnie, I'm doing great! Thanks to you. I really neeeeed to talk to you but msn is telling me i have to download the new version and when i do it tells me it was unable to download. I'll have to try it again but yes i'm fine and everything is great!
"I told him to stop sticking his finger in my
[email protected]@ and he wouldn't stop so i stuck a pen up his and he stopped."
^Haha. :) You win.
Ha! I know right what a frikking asshole!
I just had someone ask me today if I had pictures on the net! I said no but I don't know if he believed me, ugh !!
So everyone what is your COVER JOB? Mine is dancer but people still think it's bad!
OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS? i think i got your text message telling me that. I would have been like "no speak anglais" LMFAO!!!My cover job to my sister is dancing and my cover job to everyone else is unemployed/spoiled rich kid....ha! so nott true...I hate having to lie about what i do.
That quote just made me crack up. I've been doing this for a few months now and never had anything like that happen. I tour with an agency so I really only work a few days a month. Great agency, absolutely love it. Toyed with going indy, then realized I have too much to lose to have my face plastered on Eros and I'd rather remain UTR seeing primarily their client referrals.
Worst I ever had was one guy kept trying to play with my backdoor. I told him nicely to stop then firmly to stop and wash his hands. When he returned he asked if I do Greek. I told him absolutely not and that his hour was up (he had 10 more minutes). He tried to play it off like he was joking but when I sent him on his way he must not have said anything to the girls at the office because it never was brought up. :-P Next time I'll need to remember your special pen trick :)
Hi hun,
Nice to see ya on the board! Well im indy and my face isn't plastered anywhere. My pictures are cropped or blurred. Being indy is very liberating...I hated having to fork over HALF of my money to the agency...and still having to deal with attitudes but i'm glad you found an agency you liked. I just love keeping ALL my money.
Ha! Could you believe that guy? He was LOADED ..fat ass house and everything and i was turned on until he did that...I bet he won't do that to another provider again. Ugh...stupid man.
minniesoporno
11-20-2009, 12:04 PM
Try to uninstall the msn you have on your pc then download it again. ti will give you the new one when you uninstall and download fresh from the website.
malayataylor
11-20-2009, 01:03 PM
I have a question, isn't anyone scared of going to jail? I didn't think of that til now.. Does anyone know what type of jail time might you get?
Also ... What do you bring with you in the hotel? What would u say where nice extras for you and clients?
I have flameless candles , I spray the room with a light spray like fabreeze. I have soap out and mouth spray in the restroom.
you know what bambi i didn't see this till JUST now..but i'll answer this question for ya: If you do NOT screen ...and SCREEN well ..You will go to jail, If you have a dumbass touring buddy, You will go to jail ..and last but not least if you answer questions like this "What do i get for this?" or "Are you fs" or " How much for sex"...You will go to jail. I always tell my clients NEVER DISCUSS RATES before, during or after my session... Come in, walk over to the left , drop donation and proceed ..simple. In other words, If you haven't done your research ...You will go to jail. For example, I recently found out that incalls were safer...With outcalls you can easily walk into a sting ...did you know that? So since incalls are safer ...what do i do? I know owners of vacation rentals and rent from them...NO HOTELS FOR ME BUDDY! Stay away from hotels and if you do choose to work from a hotel ...Make sure it's at least a 4 star. ...just my two cents.
What special things do i do? I buy refreshments snacks and sodas. I keep the fridge stocked and light candles (Glade) lol! but hope all this helps!
Try to uninstall the msn you have on your pc then download it again. ti will give you the new one when you uninstall and download fresh from the website.
I'm going to do this now.
Vivianna
11-20-2009, 05:20 PM
I have a question, isn't anyone scared of going to jail? I didn't think of that til now.. Does anyone know what type of jail time might you get?
The jail time you get varys from state to state. If you are in Chicago apparently you might be released without bail: on your on recognicense or what not. Most states you need to make bail or you will be in there for over a month. If you are in the south, God help you, your bail is gonna be high. Most bail bonds men and lawyers don't touch prostitution cases so its not a bad idea to find one in your area that does now, just in case.
I kinda feel a bit compelled to post about this. The last time I posted about escorting I got called a whore, so it makes me a bit shy to post on this board but what the hell...
I got arrested 8 months ago and I just can't move on. I think about it every morning when I wake up, every night before I go to bed, and every waking moment that I am unoccupied. I have been raped before and even that did not make me feel as violated as the police did. The man who raped me did not have the power to take as much away from me as the police did. I literally feel like I have ruined my life.
I was an escort for a matter of weeks and I do realize that if you do something illegal even once, its still illegal but I just feel like it was so unfair.....When I was arrested I was not read my rights. I was bullied, harassed and physically shaken by the cops. There were 12 of them at the sting and I was in too much shock to stand up for myself. I then went to prison, like not just jail, orange jump suit prison. My bail was set at 15,000 dollars!!! I previously had a clean record as well. I had to call my father and tell him I was a prostitute so I could get out of jail.
Before this happened I wanted to be a nurse. I have since dropped out of school. I am getting the charge expunged in December, but I know if I become a nurse it will always haunt me and I just want to be done with it. Now I have no idea what to do with my life. I spend a lot of time obsessing over whether or not people in my life know about this. I know this is bad, but I feel as if I might commit suicide if people found out.
I don't know how to move on. I know I should get therapy for the trauma but I am broke. As for the actual job of escorting.... I liked it! I wish I could still do it. Yeah some aspects of it were definitely a little gross, but I loved the adrenaline, power, flexibility and the cash. I did screen: the girl who I got a reference from had flipped! If I could give you American girls any advice it would be, stick with your regulars!
malayataylor
11-20-2009, 06:07 PM
The jail time you get varys from state to state. If you are in Chicago apparently you might be released without bail: on your on recognicense or what not. Most states you need to make bail or you will be in there for over a month. If you are in the south, God help you, your bail is gonna be high. Most bail bonds men and lawyers don't touch prostitution cases so its not a bad idea to find one in your area that does now, just in case.
I kinda feel a bit compelled to post about this. The last time I posted about escorting I got called a whore, so it makes me a bit shy to post on this board but what the hell...
I got arrested 8 months ago and I just can't move on. I think about it every morning when I wake up, every night before I go to bed, and every waking moment that I am unoccupied. I have been raped before and even that did not make me feel as violated as the police did. The man who raped me did not have the power to take as much away from me as the police did. I literally feel like I have ruined my life.
I was an escort for a matter of weeks and I do realize that if you do something illegal even once, its still illegal but I just feel like it was so unfair.....When I was arrested I was not read my rights. I was bullied, harassed and physically shaken by the cops. There were 12 of them at the sting and I was in too much shock to stand up for myself. I then went to prison, like not just jail, orange jump suit prison. My bail was set at 15,000 dollars!!! I previously had a clean record as well. I had to call my father and tell him I was a prostitute so I could get out of jail.
Before this happened I wanted to be a nurse. I have since dropped out of school. I am getting the charge expunged in December, but I know if I become a nurse it will always haunt me and I just want to be done with it. Now I have no idea what to do with my life. I spend a lot of time obsessing over whether or not people in my life know about this. I know this is bad, but I feel as if I might commit suicide if people found out.
I don't know how to move on. I know I should get therapy for the trauma but I am broke. As for the actual job of escorting.... I liked it! I wish I could still do it. Yeah some aspects of it were definitely a little gross, but I loved the adrenaline, power, flexibility and the cash. I did screen: the girl who I got a reference from had flipped! If I could give you American girls any advice it would be, stick with your regulars!
WOW....
First of all, YOu are free to post wherever you want. Whoever called you a whore is just mad noone would pay to be around her/his ugly ass... and i'm sorry on the idiots behalf...
There is not much i can say but wow..and i am so sorry this happened to you. I'd love to ask you how you screened the client but maybe that's not appropiate to ask?...I dunno. When i screen i screen HARD...i do not rely on provider references because providers can flip like you said and they can tell you ANYTHING...
I always ask for a work reference and at least two provider references and if they don't have two references i ask for them to be a member of date check or preferred 411. I'm a member of sites like Provider buzz and national blacklist now...Gosh this makes me even more paranoid now. ... and i'm guessing you were doing an outcall when this happened. I've quit doing outcall ...because of this... but that's all i can say ..i'm lost for words. I wish you well and hope you can get back on track. Take care hun
Vivianna
11-20-2009, 07:58 PM
Malaya-
I screened by asking for EITHER provider reference or work reference. I was living in this lala land of thinking that the cops were out fighting real crime and as long as I stayed off of craigslist and didn't do outcalls I would be fine. Yes, it was an incall at an upscale hotel. They were nice enough to not throw my stuff out while I was in jail. However I think it is smart for you to do only incalls for safety purposes, I just don't want anyone thinking its going to play any part in keeping them from not getting arrested. Oh and I think this goes without saying but it is important to make sure the providers giving references have reviews/a website/ads. I have heard of female cops playing providers on the phone and girls not verifying that they were actually a provider.
I know people say use your instincts but it can be hard with all the different types you meet in this business. The one thing I will say about the cop was that he sounded neither nervous or horny when he called me. Just very very eager and sure. In my experience my clients always sounded nervous when they call the first time.
I think with the way you screen you should be fine. I do think it might be a good investment for anyone in this business to have a lawyer on retainer that could bail you out, because you really never know. Legally you can be kept in holding for up to 72 hours until you see the judge who will determine your bail. If I got bailed out then and didn't have to go to prison it would have made it a lot easier. And again make sure you let the lawyer know what bail bonds men he should use. Most of them will bail out a child molester before they will bail out someone on prostitution charges (they think we won't show up for the trial.)
Kylea2
11-20-2009, 08:15 PM
So my personal opinion: Should you tell your partner? HELL NO. It could always come back and bite you in the ass. Some guys are "amazing" at first and later on just turn out to be big time assholes. Think about the shit he could use against you if yall decided to divorce. Ugh I wouldn't do it girl. I hope this helps.
Just keep in mind that not telling him could also cause you problems later on. Condoms are NOT 100% safe for STDs or pregnancy. If he should happen to find out as a result of that you could be in for a world of hurt.
This is my personal opinion, but I think an educated adult should allow other adults the right to know the truth and then decide from there.
There is some girls I know who are in the business who are happily married and they S/O have no problem with what they do. I am not sure how it works for them but I am jealous of them.
^^^ I have a few acquaintances like that. One of my acquaintances her husband used to be a male escort. Some of my other acquaintances have boyfriends that get off on the idea of them being with other men. Some understand that it's simply a job. Others have open relationships and "swing" so they don't see the work as being much different.
I found that if you tell them upfront what you do they either, think your easy lay or they never want to talk to you again, and if you wait til your in the relationship a few months then tell them they almost think your disgusting and feel betrayed.
They have every right to feel betrayed - especially if you are putting them at potential risk. If you are having sex with your SO, and then having sex with other people - your SO has the right to know. Give your SO the respect to let them know the truth and let them make their own decisions. Hiding stuff, even dancing, can often make things worse.
I have a question, isn't anyone scared of going to jail? I didn't think of that til now.. Does anyone know what type of jail time might you get?
Like I said, I've had acquaintances who did this. Some of them have gone to jail. It could be a few hours, it could be a few months. It totally depends on if it's the first incident or if they've been caught multiple times.
On another similar note... one of my acquaintances has had both of her children taken away on two separate occasions. First she was caught and her son was taken from her. Then she had a little girl, got caught again and her daughter was taken from her. She hasn't seen her boy in 8 years! She's still working and planning to have another baby... which honestly pretty much seems heart breaking because chances are that he/she will probably be taken as well.
Again, just my personal opinion but I would really encourage ladies to consider all factors before getting into this. There are places where FS is totally legal, and health is monitored... sometimes those might be a better option even if it's just short term.
malayataylor
11-20-2009, 10:55 PM
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malayataylor
11-20-2009, 11:10 PM
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malayataylor
11-20-2009, 11:33 PM
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malayataylor
11-21-2009, 04:47 AM
No I met an officer in outside circumstances. He was doing a routine call. He came to me off duty afterwards and told me he wanted to see me. It was no big deal. I didn't really need any screening for him. I already knew who he was.
Escorting is illegal. They already know if you are escorting that you are having sex. They are not dumb. They just need to get a verbal on you and then convict. This is why you don't answer any questions. Trust me, if they want to take you to jail, they will. They can just pick your ad out of other ads at random and do a sting, or it's possible that you could be under an investigation. There have been girls that have been investigated. I remember one in New York that got red flagged because she paid for law school with all this money. I don't remember her name. Anyhow, they investigated her and seized something like $60,000 cash from her apartment. There were a few girls in Dallas that had their assets seized as well.
Pay your taxes!
Hmmm... ok.
One thing i've learned in this business is that clients (the cop in this case) just like providers can flip but i guess you can see who ya want if you feel comfortable.
Last time i checked escorting was NOT illegal.. Prostitution is. When you agree in exchanging sex for money that's when you're breaking the law.
Hmm I have to correct ya, Not all escorts have sex. I knows social escorts that make $50-$70 an hour and just hangout with elder guys... but i don't know how business is for them though i know there is a market for it.
Sorry, it was in California
wow!!!!!! Just read the article..love the comments on it too but DAMN she was doing it BIG!!! She should have paid her taxes and watched the paper trail a big...ahh that's kinda scary! Yikes!
babybambi08
11-21-2009, 05:59 AM
Ugh Im so pissed right now I started with luckyladies.com today and I found out from this new guy they didn't screen him!!!!!!!!!
YES I asked him so they screen you pretty well hh? He said no, and told me he had never seen a escort before! So I said they had to have called and asked about your employement he said all they asked for was his FIRST NAME!
Ya! So I told then of course they said that they screen everyone that someone was going to get fired! Ya right!
So I'm going indi, I'm nevous!
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 06:12 AM
Ugh Im so pissed right now I started with luckyladies.com today and I found out from this new guy they didn't screen him!!!!!!!!!
YES I asked him so they screen you pretty well hh? He said no, and told me he had never seen a escort before! So I said they had to have called and asked about your employement he said all they asked for was his FIRST NAME!
Ya! So I told then of course they said that they screen everyone that someone was going to get fired! Ya right!
So I'm going indi, I'm nevous!
Hey hun,
Sorry about that...I was checking out the agency site and clicked on their "Screening" tab. They do not know how to screen worth shit. I mean they can't possibly screen someone with that little bit of information. Don't just jump into being independent without reading those links clare posted. Did you read them? just do your research and you'll be fine.
There is No exact way of spotting LE ..but my screening practices haven't failed me yet..being paranoid in this business is good...it's when you get comfortable and start allowing things "slide"...you get busted. Always listen to your gut instincts ..it's usually right.
I wish you luck and i can send you a detailed email of how to thoroughly screen your clients...and yes even NEW clients... (I'll use the email you gave me) I've started asking for 3 forms of ID and a work reference...
Here's a tip though: When they give you their work info GOOGLE IT! Use the number you find on google..never the number he gave you! This alone could save you a some drama.
babybambi08
11-21-2009, 11:32 AM
thanks.. I ended up giving them their part because I dont want no fn drama ya know.. 160 dollars is not worth all the stress to me.. I still made 400$ dollars..
please send me that email.. if you dont have my email just text me..
I need to get a laptop, hopefully I will after this tour.. I need a good tour!
I just bought this car ya know and I just stressed about money, its like 800 extra a month with the note and insurance.. which 800 is not really that much in the business, but Im a worry wart..
Does anyone have any other screening tips?
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 12:19 PM
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Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2009, 07:06 PM
My boyfriend is Liberian ..and he's muslim...
What tribe is he? Not many Muslims in Liberia.
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 08:51 PM
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Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2009, 09:17 PM
you're going to tell an African woman that there are not alot of muslims in liberia?
No I'm not not but my friend who is a member of the Crew tribe said no there are not. With all due respect you are not Liberian. Liberia speaks Liberian English not "The King's English".
End thread jack.
How do you think your man would feel if he found out about your job? I would feel worse about being deceived, that means the deceiver thinks I'm not very smart.
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 09:45 PM
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Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2009, 10:30 PM
Lol @ you trying to tell me about Liberians. I'm just going to pretend you didn't just tell me what kind of english liberians spoke. with all due respect YOU ARE NOT LIBERIAN EITHER. Is your girlfriend/wife liberian?
My man is muslim...his entire family is muslim...Ok so i guess you're trying to say i'm lying about this?
Did i tell you my man was a member of the Crew tribe? I gave you a simple "I don't know" and you're arguing with me...wow! haha!
How would i feel if he found out about my job? If he finds out then ..OK.
Dude, You can argue with me about ANYTHING you want BUT do not try to tell me about MY man unless you are fucking him ok.
A recap.
No I'm not not but my friend who is a member of the Crew tribe said no there are not. With all due respect you are not Liberian. Liberia speaks Liberian English not "The King's English".
End thread jack.
How do you think your man would feel if he found out about your job? I would feel worse about being deceived, that means the deceiver thinks I'm not very smart.
I said my friend is a member of the Crew tribe you said you don't remember what tribe your friend is from. I would not call her my girlfriend more like a kept women; I pay her bills; she is a dancer (go-go). Her sister is a member of a Liberian dance troop (traditional dance) that toured the North East this simmer and I know what kind of English they speak in Liberia. She spent a few months with us so I'm well versed in Liberian English.
My roommate said there are not many Muslims in Liberia mostly Christian and some Jehovah Whitenesses.
I was relating how I would feel if my "girlfriend" was a provider and did not tell me. If you don't care if he finds out why don't you tell him?
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 10:36 PM
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Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2009, 10:51 PM
Lo my man is from the Vai tribe.
My friend said that tribe is OK. I will now return you to your girl talk. :ziplip:
malayataylor
11-21-2009, 10:58 PM
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Kylea2
11-21-2009, 10:59 PM
Well for those that don't know, I'll let you know now I'm nigerian. I was born in Lagos, Nigeria been in the U.S for 10 years LEGALLY btw :D! My boyfriend is Liberian ..and he's muslim...If he found out i was an escort he'd probably ... ...(Coughs)
In other words, I'm not one of those escorts that explore the sexual acronyms and i get a check up regularly...having said that tell him? You obviously just DON'T understand. It wouldn't work in my favor...Telling him would only lead to to whole world knowing i was an escort.
Actually, you are proving exactly my point. First off, there are a lot of things you need to know about the Muslim religion before you assume anything. There are multiple branches of it and how he reacts could have a lot to do with which branch he belongs to. Some of them see prostitution as a temporary marriage that has been paid for, and therefore it's okay. If you know that he would not approve of it though and you can't be truthful enough to tell him than you really should break things off with him.
malayataylor
11-22-2009, 07:13 AM
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babybambi08
11-22-2009, 03:48 PM
A recap.
I said my friend is a member of the Crew tribe you said you don't remember what tribe your friend is from. I would not call her my girlfriend more like a kept women; I pay her bills; she is a dancer (go-go). Her sister is a member of a Liberian dance troop (traditional dance) that toured the North East this simmer and I know what kind of English they speak in Liberia. She spent a few months with us so I'm well versed in Liberian English.
My roommate said there are not many Muslims in Liberia mostly Christian and some Jehovah Whitenesses.
I was relating how I would feel if my "girlfriend" was a provider and did not tell me. If you don't care if he finds out why don't you tell him?
why are you earl even still on Sw all u do is try to piss off girls and everyone is sick of it. Your " kept women" if u have one is your gf your not a sd like you wanna think u are! Lol lmfas
malayataylor
11-22-2009, 04:42 PM
why are you earl even still on Sw all u do is try to piss off girls and everyone is sick of it. Your " kept women" if u have one is your gf your not a sd like you wanna think u are! Lol lmfas
Agreed!
Clare
11-23-2009, 10:06 PM
I have a question, isn't anyone scared of going to jail? I didn't think of that til now.. Does anyone know what type of jail time might you get?
Also ... What do you bring with you in the hotel? What would u say where nice extras for you and clients?
I have flameless candles , I spray the room with a light spray like fabreeze. I have soap out and mouth spray in the restroom.
I worry about getting busted, everyone does. Screen, screen, screen.
I usually use an incall. But motels get ... candles, febreeze (to get "sex smell" out of room), lotions, unscented soaps. I pick up travel packs of toothpaste and toothbrushes, deodorant, (99 each at target) for my clients after they shower/visit (They're paying me a lot of money, what's me giving them a couple of bucks worth of toiletries?) Bottles of water, 7UP, Cokes. I never drink while working but if a gentleman brings a bottle I like having mixers.
If I see the cleaning lady cart, I steal an armful of towels. Or go to the pool area and grab a bunch.
Always, if you see more than one man a day, make sure the room always looks like he's the first one to visit, even garbage cans. I grab condom wrappers, etc and throw in the drycleaning bag and put THAT whole "bag of garbage" in a drawer. No one wants to be "guy #2 (3,4)". Also hide the dirty towels in another drawer. Make sure you remember to put everything out of these drawers when you leave.