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Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:37 PM
And his pain, which having a little non-emotional sex as a tonic to take him away from himself and his problems [remember, men use sex as an escape - it is specifically how we are wired], that's not an issue. He should just "suck it up" as you say.

Why am I not surprised you'd feel that way. :)

Plenty of men are able to not cheat on their partners. So no, I don't think it's something he just has to do. It's unfortunate, but hey, so is her cancer. Sometimes people just have to deal.

laurcon
12-05-2009, 05:43 PM
GR why are you bringing this into another thread? literally how many do you have to ruin per day to feel complete? this is you ---> :raincloud

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 05:44 PM
GR why are you bringing this into another thread? literally how many do you have to ruin per day to feel complete? this is you ---> :raincloud

He's not that bad...is he? I like him.:D

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 05:44 PM
I understand what you're saying. I Just don't agree.

You realize that what you just wrote, when taken directly in context of what you responded to which was: "And what part of the multiple times I have said that you are certainly initialed to your opinion but that doesn't mean you have a right [not the same thing as the ability] to judge others with that opinion don't you understand?"

Says that you believe you have the right not just to have an opinion but to use it to judge others.

Just be aware that opens you to be judged in the same way by others.

Yup. I heard you. Just don't think it's relevant.

And yours above in response to this: What part of you are purchasing into the same kind of judgment scenario that justifies others in how they judge you because you work in a strip-club?

Shows a true lack of appreciation of the ironic, as I know you wouldn't want to be judged unfairly by others yet you don't seem to think it unfair of yourself to do the same.


My "taboo" breaking doesn't hurt or betray anyone. cheating does.

Why, because you say so. You have to know there are tens of thousands, if not millions, of housewives, girl-friends, and other female S.Os in this country whose men see you in the clubs while you do what you do who don't think that at all. They would find your actions and their S.O.'s involvement in it a betrayal of their sensibilities and judge you, by their standards, as every bit the harlot you would paint escorts and other sex workers whose work is more "hands on" than yours.

And every bit of how you judge other sex workers, and their clients, justifies their ability to do the same to you. You just don't see it is all.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:48 PM
I do think I have a right to judge people for making a conscious decision to continue to hurt, endanger, and betray others. I "judge" them to be selfish, self-centered, and poor partners.

Other people decide what they have a right to pass judgment for, and how they judge people. I am aware.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:49 PM
He's not that bad...is he? I like him.:D

Of course. He defended you. That goes without saying.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 05:50 PM
Of course. He defended you. That goes without saying.

No. He's making ALOT of sense! Once again we can't all agree! Noone has to agree with you elvia.. like noone has to agree with ME!

Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:54 PM
And yours above in response to this: What part of you are purchasing into the same kind of judgment scenario that justifies others in how they judge you because you work in a strip-club?



Please understand if I'm getting a little tired of going over the same things again and again. I've explained my thoughts on this.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 05:55 PM
Please understand if I'm getting a little tired of going over the same things again and again. I've explained my thoughts on this.

Now you see how i feel..

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 05:57 PM
GR why are you bringing this into another thread? literally how many do you have to ruin per day to feel complete? this is you ---> :raincloud

Oy vey.

I didn't bring it into this thread. I am RESPONDING to the same thing in a different thread. Those I am RESPONDING to brought it into this thread.

This thread was going on just fine for the first several pages until the SELF APPOINTED JUDGES brought their narrow POV into someone else's thread, brought in their dump trucks and started dumping on others.

After all, its there job to run around the board pointing out other people's imperfections and that makes it OK, by extrapolation, to do the same to them by pointing out the flaws in their logic [or lack thereof], and the absolute ironic foolishness of throwing stones from inside glass houses [whether they can see they live in them or not].

Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:58 PM
Now you see how i feel..

Except for the extremely angry outbursts. I still don't get that part. If he continues to ask the same things again and again and I really get annoyed by it, I'll just start ignoring it.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:01 PM
Except for the extremely angry outbursts. I still don't get that part.

Lol... you're still finding stuff to pick on eh? Didn't i apologize for the insults..? Thank you.. And i just complimented you and you're still upset. Now i don't get that part.

laurcon
12-05-2009, 06:01 PM
Why, because you say so. You have to know there are tens of thousands, if not millions, of housewives, girl-friends, and other female S.Os in this country whose men see you in the clubs while you do what you do who don't think that at all. They would find your actions and their S.O.'s involvement in it a betrayal of their sensibilities and judge you, by their standards, as every bit the harlot you would paint escorts and other sex workers whose work is more "hands on" than yours.

WHAAAAAAAAAAT?!? when did anyone ever judge escorts or other sex workers?? seriously wtf are you talking about. back that up PLEASE.

only a moron would blame a prostitute for sleeping with their SO! or a stripper for dancing for her man, lmao. i really am not going to live my life so that morons don't think poorly of me. the worker is just doing her job, the woman's asshole man is the one that takes all of the blame 100%, if there is any blame other than marrying his wife.

its guys like GR that give us a bad reputation anyway. when his wife eventually finds out she's gonna blame strippers and not him. at least he hopes so.

i don't understand why GR is soooo concerned with what "society" would say all the time. he won't get over that we don't care about what the sheep think, only about someone being a good human being or not.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:02 PM
Lol... you're still finding stuff to pick on eh? Didn't i apologize for the insults..? Thank you.. And i just complimented you and you're still upset. Now i don't get that part.

I didn't mean it as an insult. Were you not angry when you made those posts?

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:05 PM
WHAAAAAAAAAAT?!? when did anyone ever judge escorts or other sex workers?? seriously wtf are you talking about. back that up PLEASE.

Save your breath. It's been explained to him that's not the issue. Clearly, he doesn't want to hear it.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:10 PM
I didn't mean it as an insult. Were you not angry when you made those posts?

was i angry? no. Was i angry at kylea(damn i keep bringing her up..sorry kylea)? Yes.. because she was right. I felt like everyone else was co-signing and just saying the same thing OVER AND OVER again AND attacking me on purpose so i started with the insults i guess. I mean damn just because you're saying the same thing over and over again dosent mean i'm going to change my mind. As humans, we are not made to think alike. I feel same way but damn I've learned soo much from this thread. Was i angry at lilmisssunshine? No. I found it funny actually that she was soo pissed at me. I didn't know she felt so strongly about the whole situation. I'm just not that angry and "ugly" to pick on or judge someone because of their belief. I do understand that everyone is different.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:14 PM
This is the most viewed thread on the "Other work" section.. ha! Ooh what a mess.

chris91
12-05-2009, 06:16 PM
Here is one for you El.

Would you tell a man with a wife who is fighting a long battle with cancer, who finds the last thing on her mind being having sex of any sort, that he is wrong to see a provider?

Would you insist that in order for him to be honest with himself and his mate that he tell his wife and ask her consent thus dumping that decision on her at a time she is ill prepared to deal with it?

Just asking.

You're kidding right? I'm pretty sure that when people get married, they make a commitment to remain faithful until death do they part. I've never heard of anyone standing at the altar and saying, "I promise to be faithful until you get too sick to fuck me, at which point I will run off to fuck a hooker while you are home trying to grow back your hair." Jesus christ on a stick.

Also, if I ever found out that my SO was hooking behind my back, I would punch his fucking head right off his neck. What an awful horrible thing to do to someone. I think there are some people here who need to call their mothers and ask why they didn't bother teaching them about common decency.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:18 PM
Why, because you say so. You have to know there are tens of thousands, if not millions, of housewives, girl-friends, and other female S.Os in this country whose men see you in the clubs while you do what you do who don't think that at all. They would find your actions and their S.O.'s involvement in it a betrayal of their sensibilities and judge you, by their standards, as every bit the harlot you would paint escorts and other sex workers whose work is more "hands on" than yours.



Since you ask, I think a commitment to fidelity is primarily the responsibility of those who have made that commitment. And I know that not everyone considers going to a SC to be cheating. I don't. Most of my friends and aquantences don't. It's up to each couple to decide what is included in their definition of cheating. And it's up to each of them to uphold it.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 06:21 PM
Of course. He defended you. That goes without saying.

I am not defending a particular person. I am defending a concept of fairness in not dumping on others in forums because they hold a viewpoint different than your own.

The ability to state an opinion without being judgmental of the person you are disagreeing with and the realization that our glass houses aren't actually better than other people's just because we think they are.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:23 PM
It is clear that we all don't agree! I don't need anyone to defend me. I just said I understand where GR is coming from .. just like i understand where Elvia is coming but why jugde anyone? Who are we to judge?

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:25 PM
Of course you do, you guys are doing the same thing.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:27 PM
Of course you do, you guys are doing the same thing.

Why don't you see that YOUR way is NOT the only way of looking at the situation? I never said It was the right thing to do....everyone's situation is different. ...and you don't understand this for some reason.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:31 PM
I guess because I see plenty of people of people who are capable of being honest with their partners, and of being true to the commitments they make, and I can't think of a reasonable excuse for those that don't. As you've said, you can't say that what you're doing is the right things to do. I don't think there's ever an excuse for endangering your partner like that without their knowledge or consent.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 06:33 PM
only a moron would blame a prostitute for sleeping with their SO! or a stripper for dancing for her man, lmao. i really am not going to live my life so that morons don't think poorly of me. the worker is just doing her job, the woman's asshole man is the one that takes all of the blame 100%, if there is any blame other than marrying his wife.

Than I guess millions of women in this country are morons, because if you have open eyes and ears you have to have heard and seen all sorts of examples of women blaming the other woman for the actions of their men. Hell, its right out of the Bible, where its all Eve's fault that Adam took that bit of the apple. After all, where it not for her seductive ability poor Adam would never have broken his convenient with God. Poor Adam, he never stood a chance. }:D

And its is the hypocrisy of sex workers to the same to other sex workers that I point out [and may I add not without noting the humorous nature of it].


its guys like GR that give us a bad reputation anyway. when his wife eventually finds out she's gonna blame strippers and not him.

Thank you for proving my point.


i don't understand why GR is soooo concerned with what "society" would say all the time. he won't get over that we don't care about what the sheep think, only about someone being a good human being or not.

I don't know. Why would an ex-cop concern himself with what society thinks... Why would he concern himself with the philosophical and the study of sociology and human dynamics? {duh}

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 06:36 PM
You're kidding right? I'm pretty sure that when people get married, they make a commitment to remain faithful until death do they part.

Actually I specifically made sure that wasn't part of the vow I took before God. I do understand that omission was lost on my wife who took it for granted, which doesn't give me an excuse for cheating. I just figured I'd be less they hypocrite giving my swinger's past. Still, in retrospect... I see that was folly on my part.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:38 PM
It just keeps getting better and better.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 06:48 PM
I guess because I see plenty of people of people who are capable of being honest with their partners, and of being true to the commitments they make, and I can't think of a reasonable excuse for those that don't. As you've said, you can't say that what you're doing is the right things to do. I don't think there's ever an excuse for endangering your partner like that without their knowledge or consent.

Great you feel this way. If i were married, Of course i'd tell my husband.. but I'm not .. life goes on. When i'm in a serious relationship, I'll be sure to tell him. Once AGAIN, everyone's situation is different.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 06:50 PM
I guess because I see plenty of people of people who are capable of being honest with their partners, and of being true to the commitments they make, and I can't think of a reasonable excuse for those that don't. As you've said, you can't say that what you're doing is the right things to do. I don't think there's ever an excuse for endangering your partner like that without their knowledge or consent.

Its not that you have that opinion that is the issue. That's just ducky.

Its that you have implied in some occasions and outright said in others that this makes these people you disagree with bad people. The point of that being: How do you not see that kind of thinking extrapolates into other people having the right to say, or even act on their feelings*, that you are a bad person just because they'd damn you with that same sort of thinking because in their minds YOU are the harlot.

*By, for instance, passing laws that put strip-clubs out of existence.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 06:51 PM
It just keeps getting better and better.

I said I recognized it as folly later on.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 06:55 PM
Its not that you have that opinion that is the issue. That's just ducky.

Its that you have implied in some occasions and outright said in others that this makes these people you disagree with bad people. The point of that being: What part does that giving other people the right to say, or even act on their feelings*, that you are a bad person just because they'd damn you with that same sort of thinking because in their minds YOU are the harlot.

*By, for instance, passing laws that put strip-clubs out of existence.

I don't think I said "bad people." I said selfish, self-centered, and bad partners.

I can't really respond to the last part because it's a little too grammatically incorrect to understand. At the beginning it seems like a question, but by the end that's clearly not the case. Correct it and I'll try to address it unless it seems like we're just going in circles again.

laurcon
12-05-2009, 07:02 PM
Than I guess millions of women in this country are morons, because if you have open eyes and ears you have to have heard and seen all sorts of examples of women blaming the other woman for the actions of their men. Hell, its right out of the Bible, where its all Eve's fault that Adam took that bit of the apple. After all, where it not for her seductive ability poor Adam would never have broken his convenient with God. Poor Adam, he never stood a chance. }:D

And its is the hypocrisy of sex workers to the same to other sex workers that I point out [and may I add not without noting the humorous nature of it].


Thank you for proving my point.



I don't know. Why would an ex-cop concern himself with what society thinks... Why would he concern himself with the philosophical and the study of sociology and human dynamics? {duh}

could you try that sentence in bold again??
you seemed to have left out the part where i begged you to cite any instances of any posters here putting down escorts, big surprise.

and yes i absolutely consider those women to be complete low self-esteem morons! if your wife is in that group, i wouldn't know. i was only saying you're probably hoping she is that way she doesn't lay the blame with you where it belongs.

and WTF is your problem?? why must you be SO condescending at all times? that last sentence, seriously? i must be brain dead because it doesn't seem obvious to me at all. wtf does being an ex-cop have to do with defining actions according to the finicky impressionable opinions of the masses?


GR, just admit what you're doing is an asshole move and move on. there's really nothing else to it. "yes i'm a bit of a douchebag for it, i can see that".
i couldn't care less about what you do, but YOU brought it up. much like when i brought up kissing customers in the CR and got a lot of flak for it, which i deserved. admit you deserve it and that's it, its over. we all move on to the next topic and no one cares until you start preaching again.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 07:07 PM
I don't think I said "bad people." I said selfish, self-centered, and bad partners.

I think that speaks for itself in that regard.


I can't really respond to the last part because it's a little too grammatically incorrect to understand. At the beginning it seems like a question, but by the end that's clearly not the case. Correct it and I'll try to address it unless it seems like we're just going in circles again.

Probably after I eat. My blood sugar is getting a bit low [which is why my grammar is suffering more than likely].

Elvia
12-05-2009, 07:09 PM
^^^ I don't equate those criticisms with "bad people." That's your business if you do.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 07:14 PM
...and WTF is your problem?? why must you be SO condescending at all times? that last sentence, seriously? i must be brain dead because it doesn't seem obvious to me at all. wtf does being an ex-cop have to do with defining actions according to the finicky impressionable opinions of the masses?

Laurcon, why would it surprise you if I respond with condescending tones to posts aimed at me that are condescending and judgmental of me in their own right?

Why shouldn't you receive in return what your parsing out?

And I didn't suggest, "defining actions according to the finicky impressionable opinions of the masses", I suggested what would be surprising about a cop, who interacted with people as we do, and enforce society's laws, being interested in such things as philosophy, sociology and human dynamics. Especially one who wanted to be good at what he does.



GR, just admit what you're doing is an asshole move and move on.

Like I said, condescending, judgmental and RUDE!

laurcon
12-05-2009, 07:22 PM
^ okay i'm going to cry, i completely give up. idk how elvia does it. i want to shake the shit out of my computer.

i <3 ignore, but i know i'm gonna get pissed reading these things in quotes. i really need to get around to leaving already.

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 08:02 PM
^ okay i'm going to cry, i completely give up. idk how elvia does it. i want to shake the shit out of my computer.

i <3 ignore, but i know i'm gonna get pissed reading these things in quotes. i really need to get around to leaving already.

I'm not trying to make anyone here cry but you have to realize the dancers around here get away with a lot with male posters because some of them have ulterior motives I simply don't have. I have no desire to meet any of you, come to your clubs, get lap dances from you, etc. Unlike them if I disagree with you I will say so. If you give me crap in response I'll give it back to you, though I'll try to be civil in the process.

If anything you should realize that while we may disagree probably more than a lot of other guys around here I respect the exchange between minds. There is a form of respect in the going back and forth, because if I didn't give a crap about what you had to say as a fellow human being I wouldn't be going back and forth with you [or any of the others here that I am at an impasse with].

As you say... anyway...

Elvia
12-05-2009, 08:06 PM
^^^ Uh...if you take a moment to remember what thread you're in, I think you'll realize this issue doesn't have a lot to do with whether you're male or female.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 08:07 PM
idk how elvia does it.

The pills help.

laurcon
12-05-2009, 08:17 PM
The pills help.

ah true, i've majorly cut back on the pot smoking so that's probably why its really getting to me now.

but so malaya, here's a question... what do you do when you're on your period? just not work?
(this is a multi-purpse question a) i want to know and b) hopefully period talk will drive the guys out of the room!) :bullwhip:

Golden_Rule
12-05-2009, 08:19 PM
The pills help.

Try TM. Works wonders if you avoid the mystical mumbo-jumbo and just see it as a way to get inside the head and fix the wiring.

[Go ahead, give me the "I can see its down wonders for you.", shot. I left myself open for it.]

Elvia
12-05-2009, 08:21 PM
I prefer to go to my doctors for health advice. We're doing just fine, thanks.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 08:22 PM
ah true, i've majorly cut back on the pot smoking so that's probably why its really getting to me now.


Oh I've been there. That is a bitch.

malayataylor
12-05-2009, 08:59 PM
ah true, i've majorly cut back on the pot smoking so that's probably why its really getting to me now.

but so malaya, here's a question... what do you do when you're on your period? just not work?
(this is a multi-purpse question a) i want to know and b) hopefully period talk will drive the guys out of the room!) :bullwhip:

Lol! I don't work on my period though some girls choose to ..you could always use a sea sponge ya know? I've debated this and just found the idea a lil too uncomfortable...

Author and Escort Amanda brooks actually wrote an article about it in her blog:

camille27
12-05-2009, 10:38 PM
!! i read a book (fiction) about an escort protagonist, and sponge use was mentioned. this is real?


honestly, this thread is very informative :thumbsup:

malayataylor
12-06-2009, 06:04 AM
!! i read a book (fiction) about an escort protagonist, and sponge use was mentioned. this is real?


honestly, this thread is very informative :thumbsup:

Yea the sea sponges are real and they work. Minnie told me about them and i was like "what they work?!?!" I've used them but i've never tried to have sex with them on. They're actually better than tampons.

malayataylor
12-06-2009, 06:40 AM
Every morning when i get up the first thing I do is check my business email. This morning I got a beautiful ecard from a potential client in land o lakes, fl. He didn't give me much information...just that i'm beautiful bla bla bla bla. he wants to see me bla bla..hugs and kisses. I'm like hmm ok .. what do i do? I screen him! So how do you screen with so little infomation. How much info can you get right?...

Well a couple of days ago while searching google i found a site called . Just by entering someone's email address It can give you the REAL name of the person, A picture and more pictures, the person's age, All the social network sites the person currently uses and their location. I think this is soo cool and every provider should incorporate this into their screening methods. I mean i've had guys try to lie to me about their names .. so stupid.. Spokeo can clear this up with just an email addy and btw when a client still continues to lie I don't see him..ugh!.

So I used this on the email i just got from Michael. he's legit alright and SUPER HOT..ha! Isn't that something?... nothing like a hot client! It scary how much info this site gives you.

Lklucky
12-06-2009, 08:27 AM
Have you seen this girl's blog? I couldn't stop reading it; wonder if she's for real
http://www.alexadicarlo.com

malayataylor
12-06-2009, 08:43 AM
Have you seen this girl's blog? I couldn't stop reading it; wonder if she's for real


Yeahh she's very real .. You can tell by her associates. Her consideration is not all that suprising. For example Amy taylor, To join her website alone JUST to see her rates is $109 RECURRING! love it! Laynie Harper, her consideration is up there too. I mean look at where they live..LA! Hell yeah they can do that there...Some are well known in the community, Some advertise like crazy(Amy taylor) and besides.....these ladies are frikkin HOT!

...BUT you know what? I've seen girl next door types with pricey considerations like ... but look at her reviews though..she has more than 10 pages of kick ass reviews. Reviews are everything for most women in the industry though some find a way to attract business without them.

P.S i did a google search on Alexa dicarlo and found this . Looks like she pissed someone off.

Clare
12-06-2009, 10:33 AM
Have you seen this girl's blog? I couldn't stop reading it; wonder if she's for real
http://www.alexadicarlo.com


Alexa is VERY real. She does love Yellowstone and visits Wyoming alot (at 15,000 for for the first 2 days, lol) In person she is as beautiful as they come, intelligent, classy, and worth every penny.

She also writes an escort blog which providers visit quite frequently http://www.realprincessdiaries.com/ She is an icon in the community.