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yoda57us
10-19-2009, 07:17 PM
At 12:24 PM today, Yoda and Bem agreed on something - at least for a nanosecond! Who'd have thought that was possible?:P
Point of order; the agreement took place @ 1:24 PM EDT at the place of the agreement. ::)
Earl: Point noted! The event blinded me to the actual moment recognized in real time!8)
You guys are taking this way too seriously...even a broken watch is right twice a day...;)
JayATee
10-19-2009, 07:19 PM
^ LoL.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-19-2009, 08:05 PM
Earl: Point noted! The event blinded me to the actual moment recognized in real time!8)
It was a celestial event was it not?
xdamage
10-19-2009, 08:11 PM
...Again, its a moot question anyhow since I'm not stupid enough to put myself in this position and I have no fear that I would ever get roughed up by bouncers at any of the Providence clubs I would ever be tempted to visit.....
bem, I have no doubt you'd avoid the problem in the first place. If everyone did things would be easier.
But we all know people whose emotions trump reason, who have impulse control problems, who make bad decisions repeatedly, and so on. They are often unstable, and when put into unusual situations even less able to cope. Whether we prefer to think of them as victims of society, genes, upbringing, mental problems; or conscientious responsible assholes, losers, choosers of their own fate, these people are also part of our society and have to be factored into our choices, and laws.
The debate will go on endless where the line is between victimhood and personal responsibility. All I can say is it bothers me to think that if I was born with someone else' exact genes so I had their exact same body chemistry, brain wiring, body; if was raised exactly as they were, experienced life as they had, I honestly don't know that I'd do any better, so from that PoV even assholes might deserve for their society to try to improve their odds of succeeding.
Oh, and for that very same reason I'd suggest not testing the bouncers ;D It only takes meeting the one with an impulse control problem for your day to turn out badly ;)
Golden_Rule
10-19-2009, 10:13 PM
OK I see your point, and of course there are predatory dancers, just as there are predatory customers, bouncers, DJs, managers, and owners.
For the record though that was my point. Not that there are predatory dancers, but that there is a symbiotic mix of bad faith that is the source of most bad stuff that involves S-Cs and gets in the way of the good stuff on all sides.
Sort of like a bad stew.
That and that its correctable. Not without effort, but correctable just the same.
Some rare and special women are walking, talking, and most especially dancing works of Art. They make their own rules, as well they should...
Well here we disagree. If that were the case I'd be someone who could make my own rules most of the time too [though for different reasons :) ], because between the size, training, badge and the gun how many people would stop me? Should I do it just because I can?
I don't do it and I don't expect folks who make it a habit to play well with others to do it either. Just my opinion.
But you are right about trying to make that point with certain folks so I'm not trying anymore. Something to do with the flat spot on the front of my head from banging it against this particular wall. :)
Truly wishing well...
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-20-2009, 12:18 AM
Occasionally, if circumstances permit, we might even chat for awhile and become acquainted with each other.
Ah poop. I don't want to meet anyone in the club that isn't going to spend money. I have enough real friends who know the person not in clear heels and a glow in the dark thong.
bem401
10-20-2009, 06:04 AM
BEM, try and follow me...there has been no K2U/Dollhouse discussion. I was sarcastically implying that you must hang out in some mythical strip club where dancer/customer disputes are mediated by impartial SC hosts....such a place does not exist anywhere but in your mind.
You create an internet persona and talk about mythical clubs with frontier justice and I'm the one with the fertile imagination who is not planted in reality?
But you are right, since you don't spend any money you will never have to worry about being involved in any disputes inside of a strip club...
Back to the personal attacks, eh? The reason I don't have to worry about a dispute in a club is because I am sober and don't act like an idiot. I spend plenty of money in there but the girls I visit prefer to no longer dance for me or have never danced for me and I don't pay for company other than drinks or food if they want it. They can choose to sit while its slow or they can say "fuck BEM, I have no use for him". It really doesn't matter to me which they choose (I often urge them to leave me and try for a dance), but oddly, I'm rarely lacking for company. When guys like you come in whose money they want, they leave (as they should). It works for us but for some reason it must bother you because you keep bringing it up.
bem401
10-20-2009, 06:26 AM
But we all know people whose emotions trump reason, who have impulse control problems, who make bad decisions repeatedly, and so on. They are often unstable, and when put into unusual situations even less able to cope.
This describes a lot of SC regulars.
Oh, and for that very same reason I'd suggest not testing the bouncers ;D It only takes meeting the one with an impulse control problem for your day to turn out badly ;)
Well, I would never test a bouncer for the purpose of testing him. That being said, if I'm 15 minutes into an hour dance and realized I'm being fleeced for hundreds, I'm ending it right there, offering to pay her/them for her/their time and leaving. I suppose it could get ugly, but that's a chance I'd take, especially in the places I visit. If it were happening elsewhere, it might be a different story, but its incomprehensible to picture myself in that situation in the first place
bem401
10-20-2009, 06:39 AM
Ah poop. I don't want to meet anyone in the club that isn't going to spend money. I have enough real friends who know the person not in clear heels and a glow in the dark thong.
And I'm not there to meet any new people either. I'm quite content to ignore everyone in there but the one or ones I'm there to see. You see someone with any regularity, you begin to acknowledge them, then greet them, then talk to them. Its also pretty rude to not at least be cordial to friends of a friend.
yoda57us
10-20-2009, 07:53 AM
You create an internet persona and talk about mythical clubs with frontier justice and I'm the one with the fertile imagination who is not planted in reality?
For the purposes of this discussion, yes.
Back to the personal attacks, eh? The reason I don't have to worry about a dispute in a club is because I am sober and don't act like an idiot. I spend plenty of money in there but the girls I visit prefer to no longer dance for me or have never danced for me and I don't pay for company other than drinks or food if they want it. They can choose to sit while its slow or they can say "fuck BEM, I have no use for him". It really doesn't matter to me which they choose (I often urge them to leave me and try for a dance), but oddly, I'm rarely lacking for company. When guys like you come in whose money they want, they leave (as they should). It works for us but for some reason it must bother you because you keep bringing it up.
Personal attack? I merely reiterated what you have stated three or four times in this thread and repeatedly in others. I can't help it f you don't like my interpretation of your posts here BEM but personal attack? I don't know you from a whole in the wall. You could be a Rhodes Scholar, a benevolent humanitarian and a Nobel Prize winner IRL...All I do is comment on what you post here on a site about strippers and strip clubs.
bem401
10-20-2009, 08:13 AM
Personal attack? .
Yeah, you personalized things. I offered a strategy for getting out of an unfortunate situation which had nothing to do with me . You turned the topic towards what you think I may or may not do in the club, which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Where did I say I didn't spend money? I said I no longer do dances with the girls I've known for years and I refuse to pay anyone to sit with me. Again, neither of these points have anything to do with the discussion.
yoda57us
10-20-2009, 09:06 AM
You can't post in a vacuum BEM and even you have an internet persona, or at least a Stripperweb personna. We all do.
laurcon
10-20-2009, 11:59 AM
Yeah, you personalized things. I offered a strategy for getting out of an unfortunate situation which had nothing to do with me . You turned the topic towards what you think I may or may not do in the club, which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Where did I say I didn't spend money? I said I no longer do dances with the girls I've known for years and I refuse to pay anyone to sit with me. Again, neither of these points have anything to do with the discussion.
you refuse to pay them in cash. you will pay them with food and drinks however. if you're so big and bad and don't need to pay anyone to hang out with you, stop paying them completely and see what happens.
and btw, i don't think yoda personalized anything. you've said before you don't spend money and then you said you don't have problems like we mentioned with the VIP. so the obvious reason for not having problems with your money would be not spending any money! its very very basic deduction.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-20-2009, 12:10 PM
Yeah, you personalized things. I offered a strategy for getting out of an unfortunate situation which had nothing to do with me . You turned the topic towards what you think I may or may not do in the club, which is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Where did I say I didn't spend money? I said I no longer do dances with the girls I've known for years and I refuse to pay anyone to sit with me. Again, neither of these points have anything to do with the discussion.
You are at the club 3-4 days a week watching a free show. Any stripper is going to resent you for that. You're no better than a smelly PL who pulls his cock out...its just that we have no recourse to get you out of the club. We don't run the place.
I simply cannot believe that you are as likeable and popular as you think. IMO, these girls tolerate you because you know when to come in at the absolute deadest time of the club, and can exploit the girl's boredom, since they have to stay there and hang around. Its not illegal or a scam, its just lame and pathetic.
bem401
10-20-2009, 02:56 PM
You are at the club 3-4 days a week watching a free show. Any stripper is going to resent you for that. You're no better than a smelly PL who pulls his cock out...its just that we have no recourse to get you out of the club. We don't run the place.
I simply cannot believe that you are as likeable and popular as you think. IMO, these girls tolerate you because you know when to come in at the absolute deadest time of the club, and can exploit the girl's boredom, since they have to stay there and hang around. Its not illegal or a scam, its just lame and pathetic.
Believe what you will. I pay zero attention to the stage show. Maybe that's why I'm not resented. I spend my hour or so there and leave. People either come by or they don't come by. More often than not they do. If they're too busy or not there, I finish my drink and leave. I don't know what else to tell you. Its become SOP.
bem401
10-20-2009, 03:04 PM
you refuse to pay them in cash. you will pay them with food and drinks however. if you're so big and bad and don't need to pay anyone to hang out with you, stop paying them completely and see what happens.
and btw, i don't think yoda personalized anything. you've said before you don't spend money and then you said you don't have problems like we mentioned with the VIP. so the obvious reason for not having problems with your money would be not spending any money! its very very basic deduction.
I no longer do dances with the girls I am friendliest with by their choice for the most part. Some of them I have danced with, others I have not. I often find myself in RL social situations with many of them. I generally offer them a drink which they might or might not accept. Two of the last three I offered drinks to declined and sat anyways. The one who accepted the drink stayed maybe for a minute before she saw a dance opportunity. What makes this such a horrible thing? Are you seriously suggesting I refuse to buy them a drink? Why would I do that?
And the situation was personalized because it had nothing to do with me. It was a theoretical about what would you do if A, B, and C happened?
Phil-W
10-20-2009, 03:29 PM
I no longer do dances with the girls I am friendliest with by their choice for the most part.
This does happen when a girl chats with you about their personal life. There seems to be a tipping point where you're no longer purely a customer in the girls mind and she's not comfortable dancing with you.
I've known some dancers for 6, 7 or even 8 years. Some remain happy to dance in front of me. Others get visibly uncomfortable if I pay attention to them - so I don't.
I generally offer them a drink which they might or might not accept. Two of the last three I offered drinks to declined and sat anyways. The one who accepted the drink stayed maybe for a minute before she saw a dance opportunity.
It's "port in a storm syndrome" - girls taking 5 minutes out from hustling for dances before returning to the fray.
In my case it's because I stick my head in towards the end of a shift because I'm giving a dancer a lift home. A lot of the dancers know me, know why I'm there, know I don't buy dances and will come by for 5 minutes conversation and possibly to cadge a drink.
It comes down to motivations - most dancers who see me ITC know I'm friendly with specific dancers OTC and picking them up is the primary reason I'm in the club.
And as one who spent 30 minutes chatting to me recently put it: "I can chat to you for a while and relax, or I can go back into the club and fend off grabby bast*rds without any money. No contest..."
Phil.
yoda57us
10-20-2009, 03:56 PM
It's "port in a storm syndrome" - girls taking 5 minutes out from hustling for dances before returning to the fray.
Actually the expression is "Any port in a storm".
I'm just sayin...
JayATee
10-20-2009, 08:18 PM
It's these kinds of posts, especially with multiple thanks, that make the "sexual assault" posts more difficult to take seriously.
Huh? /:O
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-20-2009, 09:56 PM
It's these kinds of posts, especially with multiple thanks, that make the "sexual assault" posts more difficult to take seriously.
WTF dude? Because strippers resent cheap PLs for coming into the club and not spending, they now have a right to sexually assault us?
Look, you have to be a stripper to understand the kind of guy I'm talking about here, its that simple. Unless you ARE him.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-20-2009, 10:11 PM
Look, you have to be a stripper to understand the kind of guy I'm talking about here, its that simple. Unless you ARE him.
joined as a pink.
xdamage
10-21-2009, 05:53 AM
It's these kinds of posts, especially with multiple thanks, that make the "sexual assault" posts more difficult to take seriously.
I don't understand this reply.
Look, she (and many dancers) have said they resent guys coming into the SC, getting a free show while they enjoy their drink or food. The whole point of the OPs post is that.
It is not a Hooters where that is the intent, where they are hired as waitresses, and paid/tipped as employees to be there, to serve drinks and food.
Many of the dancers will have paid a substantial house use (i.e., rental) fee to use the club's facility. They are not receiving compensation as employees. Imagine if we did that and then people show up, pay the club for drinks and food (we get none of that income), expect us to entertain them for free on top of what we've already paid to be there, and worse club management demands us to stay busy and entertain moochers, the only beneficiary being the club manager who is making some money from the food and drinks he sells (plus the money he has made from the house fees already). That is a pretty f'ed up situation when you look at it from their PoV.
Whether bem is free loading or simply ignoring all but the few dancers he is interested in, they can debate it, but what does it mean "make the "sexual assault" posts more difficult to take seriously"?
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-21-2009, 04:11 PM
I like some club regulars that aren't into buying dances, but will tip me (and others) onstage. Its ok not to be into getting the LD, and chillin on the corner of the bar.
Also, thinking that you are "friends" with the dancers and staff because they allow you to be a customer in their club is pathetic at best.
But yes, I do resent those guys that are in there EACH AND EVERY DAY, sitting there like assholes. I do not believe for a second that they don't "pay attention to stage" because I see these losers watching the stage, watching other guys get dances, bugging girls when they come up to the bar to get a drink, talk to the bartender, or just need a place to sit and chill.
Its not cool. If you want to come in that often and be a pest, budget yourself an extra $20 in dolla bills, and show some damn respect.
chris91
10-21-2009, 06:53 PM
^^ right? It's fucking 20 bucks.
laurcon
10-22-2009, 01:18 AM
seriously its really insane. in RL for things like the deli, or nails, or one of the 80 jillion things that we tip for, i make sure to tip a tiny bit extra. because that dollar at D&D really doesn't mean shit to me, but will really add up for the workers if everyone did it. so i can do it for the woman making my coffee, you could prob hand over a few dollars to the woman shaking her naked ass for you /:O
and seriously think of this in another business... could you imagine hanging around best buy every day playing the demos and buying the cashiers candy?::)
bem401
10-22-2009, 06:02 AM
I do not believe for a second that they don't "pay attention to stage" because I see these losers watching the stage, watching other guys get dances, bugging girls when they come up to the bar to get a drink, talk to the bartender, or just need a place to sit and chill.
Believe what you will, but there are a variety of guys sitting at the bar for a variety of reasons. I do understand your resentment of the guys sitting there to get a free show ( I've even seen a guy try to tape the show on his cell from the bar and turned him in ), but there are guys there oblivious to the stage show. The only time I personally turn around and look at the stage is when I'm concerned one of the people I know might be being ignored. If they are, I'll generally go to the stage. If not, I go back to what I was doing. Once in a great while, one of my friends might suggest I go tip a particular girl on stage. I like the layout of the club I visit because the set-up enables me not to be forced to watch the stage show. I'm not comfortable having to look beyond the stage to see the television screen as is the case in some clubs where all seats face the stage. In such venues, I'm sure the girls feel some of the guys are getting a free show.
Paris
10-22-2009, 06:59 AM
Believe what you will. I pay zero attention to the stage show. Maybe that's why I'm not resented. I spend my hour or so there and leave. People either come by or they don't come by. More often than not they do. If they're too busy or not there, I finish my drink and leave. I don't know what else to tell you. Its become SOP.
This is either:
A. A lie. Human nature dictates that the eye follow any movement. This is a result of evolution. Humans that didn't pay attention to motion in their immediate vicinity were eaten by other larger, more attentive animals. When all is still, and motion is within you range of vision, YOU HAVE TO LOOK.
B. You aren't explaining what you are doing while in the club that facilitates ignoring the stage (Video Gambling, watching sports on TV with your back to the stage etc.).
C. You are blind, therefore watching any kind of stage show makes absolutely no sense.
I've met plenty of guys exactly like you. They say things like "I don't watch the stage", but oddly enough I always saw them looking at me when I was on stage. I used to pay the bouncer to block the view of the stage from these types of customers. Guess what? The customers would move to a seat that had a clear view of the stage!
Bem, you are full of shit, and you know it. If you don't want to watch strippers and the strip club just happens to be a convenient bar for you to stop and get a drink, you wouldn't be here posting on a daily basis. ::)
bem401
10-22-2009, 08:30 AM
B. You aren't explaining what you are doing while in the club that facilitates ignoring the stage (Video Gambling, watching sports on TV with your back to the stage etc.).
There you go, Television is above the bar. Keno as well, but I don't gamble. And I'm friendly with the bartenders too. Its the largest club around, has a large horseshoe bar separated from the stage by a busy service aisle, a railing the looky loos or idle dancers lean against, a couple of tables, and the stage seats. When its busy, you can barely see the stage. I could be anywhere from 30 to 80 feet or more from a dancer depending on our respective locations. Plus its dark, and I'm nearsighted so the girls are often no more than shadows. The nearer I am to the stage the more likely I am to be facing 180 degrees away from it, BTW. The most important factor is I'm seldom interested in what's happening on the stage. There are people on this site who can contest my description of the club if they choose.
yoda57us
10-24-2009, 03:52 AM
Well, different strokes I guess...
I've been in the club you are talking about hundreds of times BEM and I've never had any trouble seeing the stage from the bar. I'm not questioning your motives for going to the club. In fact, I'm quite impressed with your detailed description of the layout. I don't pay much attention to the surroundings. I go to look at the women...
Phil-W
10-24-2009, 06:42 AM
I go into strip pubs in the UK - typically towards the end of a shift to pick up a dancer.
The norm in strip pubs is a jug collection before every floor show - the dancers expect every guy in the pub to put in a minimum of £1 ($1.60) in the jug before they dance.
If any dancer wants me to put into their jug I will - irrepective of whether I will be able to see them dancing or not.
If a dancer does not want me to put into their jug (probably a dozen or so girls whom I've gotten to know over the years) then I won't. It's always their choice not to collect - I'm always prepared to put my hand in my pocket.
In the case where the dancer does not collect I make a deliberate point of not watching them dance - which is their motive for not wanting to collect in the first place.
Reason behind it is that I might have given them a lift home from time to time, or even gone out for a glass or two of wine. In those circumnstances, where a dancer has gotten to know me outside of work to some degree or other, they often don't want me taking an interest in them while they're working.
Might sound a slightly odd way of doing things, but it's always been the dancers choice not to collect. I have never, ever suggested it.
Phil
Cyril
10-24-2009, 08:08 AM
If a dancer does not want me to put into their jug (probably a dozen or so girls whom I've gotten to know over the years) then I won't. It's always their choice not to collect - I'm always prepared to put my hand in my pocket.
It is still a cheap thing to do to not cough up at least $1.60 per dance. If you are in a strip club then act like a PL, meaning get the wallet out. If your personal relationships with a dancer are prohibiting you from carrying out your PL bound duties then you should not enter that particular strip club.
Phil-W
10-24-2009, 10:21 AM
It is still a cheap thing to do to not cough up at least $1.60 per dance. If you are in a strip club then act like a PL, meaning get the wallet out. If your personal relationships with a dancer are prohibiting you from carrying out your PL bound duties then you should not enter that particular strip club.
Cyril - are you an idiot? (I know that's a rhetorical question).
I made it clear that it was the dancer's preference not to collect - based on the fact we know each other OTC. I know her reasons for not collecting and I respect them. Instead, I generally buy any dancers not collecting drinks instead - and take no notice of them dancing.
Why am I in the venue in the first place? Because the dancer asked me to come in towards the end of her shift, rather than turn up a little later and pick her up from the entrance - which I'm always happy to do.
Both the dancers involved and I are adults - fully capable of working out a modus operandi that we feel mutually comfortable with.
I know these are complicated concepts, but I'm sure if you think about then enough, you will eventually work them out.
Phil.
bem401
10-24-2009, 10:35 AM
Well, different strokes I guess...
I've been in the club you are talking about hundreds of times BEM and I've never had any trouble seeing the stage from the bar. I'm not questioning your motives for going to the club. In fact, I'm quite impressed with your detailed description of the layout. I don't pay much attention to the surroundings. I go to look at the women...
Like you said, different strokes..... I pay as close to no attention to the girls I'm not there to see as possible. You're there to look at them. Surely you'll admit the layout facilitates both and that the bar is hardly the best seat in the house for the stage show. Other clubs in town are laid out in such a way as to "force" you to be looking at the stage. On the rare occasions I've been there, I've felt obliged to tip the performer if for no other reason than that.
yoda57us
10-24-2009, 10:48 AM
Like you said, different strokes..... I pay as close to no attention to the girls I'm not there to see as possible. You're there to look at them. Surely you'll admit the layout facilitates both and that the bar is hardly the best seat in the house for the stage show. Other clubs in town are laid out in such a way as to "force" you to be looking at the stage. On the rare occasions I've been there, I've felt obliged to tip the performer if for no other reason than that.
LOL, BEM, I won't "admit" to anything....
It's abundantly clear that you and I don't go into a strip club for the same reason. Now, I freely admit I don't like sports bars or even regular bars but the reason is because I prefer bars with attractive naked women dancing in them. I don't go for any other reason than to interact with those women. My version of interacting happens to involve spending money since I am interacting with these woman while they are trying to earn a living.
bem401
10-24-2009, 10:51 AM
It is still a cheap thing to do to not cough up at least $1.60 per dance. If you are in a strip club then act like a PL, meaning get the wallet out. If your personal relationships with a dancer are prohibiting you from carrying out your PL bound duties then you should not enter that particular strip club.
Sometime you should visit a club, meet your first stripper, develop some sort of relationship and then and only then should you expound on what someone ought to be doing. I sat with a friend Thursday afternoon for 3+ hours while the club was empty. I bought her a couple of drinks during that time and offered to do dances. She declined and said her regulars would be in Friday so don't worry about it. I stayed 2 hours longer than I wanted to because it was so slow and the only other person she'd have wanted to sit with was busy. I would never expect some random dancer to spend any time with me. let alone that much, without getting paid for it.
And Yoda, the layout enables anyone looking to see the stage to do so and anyone wishing to pay no attention to it, to do so also. At least we agreed, different strokes.....Good to see though, that you and Cyril are on the same page..
toddq138
10-24-2009, 10:58 AM
One thing that I have noticed is waitresses overcharging for drinks in order to bundle in a tip. For example, a waitress will tell me a drink is $6...where a bartender will tell me the drink is $4. It is as if the waitress is sick and tired of people not tipping so she overcharges to make the tip herself. This kind of bothers me because I have always tipped the waitresses...(my girlfriend is a waitress herself at a non-SC restaurant).
I have yet to complain about the economy in a SC...but I do think now it might be a nicer way of saying "no thanks" to a girl that I am not interested in getting a dance from. Sometimes if you say "no thanks" they will sit down and start pestering you why not...
Vyanka
10-24-2009, 02:27 PM
One thing that I have noticed is waitresses overcharging for drinks in order to bundle in a tip. For example, a waitress will tell me a drink is $6...where a bartender will tell me the drink is $4. It is as if the waitress is sick and tired of people not tipping so she overcharges to make the tip herself. This kind of bothers me because I have always tipped the waitresses...(my girlfriend is a waitress herself at a non-SC restaurant).
I have yet to complain about the economy in a SC...but I do think now it might be a nicer way of saying "no thanks" to a girl that I am not interested in getting a dance from. Sometimes if you say "no thanks" they will sit down and start pestering you why not...
I don't understand why some girls do that shit, it's a waste of time. Tell her you're waiting for someone else. I cannot waste time on someone who isn't interested, so i'd appreciate it if the guy tells me upfront so I can go on to the next.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-24-2009, 02:56 PM
It is still a cheap thing to do to not cough up at least $1.60 per dance. If you are in a strip club then act like a PL, meaning get the wallet out. If your personal relationships with a dancer are prohibiting you from carrying out your PL bound duties then you should not enter that particular strip club.
In the strip pub, the ladies will take the time to approach each and every custy for the tip. If the lady doesn't approach you for the tip, are you going to jump out of your seat and follow her around so you can throw money into her jar?
I've performed at venues that use the "tip jar" system, and I would not approach certain friends, and people I knew, for tips. Mostly because they had either tipped me a lot in the past, or I knew that they were tight on money, and would be good for it another time. This is before a "stage" performance though, right Phil? They don't do a little dance for each person before they collect, or do they?
Its a different type of venue and vibe Cyril, not that you have anything to actually compare it to.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-24-2009, 03:00 PM
One thing that I have noticed is waitresses overcharging for drinks in order to bundle in a tip. For example, a waitress will tell me a drink is $6...where a bartender will tell me the drink is $4. It is as if the waitress is sick and tired of people not tipping so she overcharges to make the tip herself. This kind of bothers me because I have always tipped the waitresses...(my girlfriend is a waitress herself at a non-SC restaurant).
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This is really crap, and I would report the waitress if you can. I have been a waitress in an SC, and sometimes, custies don't tip. It sucks, but most will tip. Plus, she is taking a big risk overcharging for drinks, and WILL get busted one day.
As both a dancer and a custy, I've had many experiences with waitresses trying to rip me off or rip off my custy. If I'm working, and the custy gets ripped off by the waitress, he is going to get pissed off. There goes dances, tips, and a potential regular for me. As a customer, well, it just sucks because I am a great tipper and hate to make drama, but will complain in a new york minute if I have to....
yoda57us
10-24-2009, 03:22 PM
And Yoda, the layout enables anyone looking to see the stage to do so and anyone wishing to pay no attention to it, to do so also. At least we agreed, different strokes.....
I don't think I ever questioned that one could choose not to look at the stage BEM...
Elvia
10-24-2009, 03:28 PM
One thing that I have noticed is waitresses overcharging for drinks in order to bundle in a tip. For example, a waitress will tell me a drink is $6...where a bartender will tell me the drink is $4. It is as if the waitress is sick and tired of people not tipping so she overcharges to make the tip herself. This kind of bothers me because I have always tipped the waitresses...(my girlfriend is a waitress herself at a non-SC restaurant).
Hold up. Are we sure this isn't the difference between custies drinks and "ladies drinks?"
Cyril
10-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Cyril - are you an idiot? (I know that's a rhetorical question).
I made it clear that it was the dancer's preference not to collect - based on the fact we know each other OTC. I know her reasons for not collecting and I respect them. Instead, I generally buy any dancers not collecting drinks instead - and take no notice of them dancing.
Why am I in the venue in the first place? Because the dancer asked me to come in towards the end of her shift, rather than turn up a little later and pick her up from the entrance - which I'm always happy to do.
Both the dancers involved and I are adults - fully capable of working out a modus operandi that we feel mutually comfortable with.
I know these are complicated concepts, but I'm sure if you think about then enough, you will eventually work them out.
Phil.
You are still taking advantage of a stripper. The fact that she is your friend makes it even worse. You are using friendship as an excuse to low ball the poor girl. You are sitting there watching the show therefore must cough up $1.60. I mean how hard can it be to come up with $1.60? A person has to be a degenerate to not tip his own friend for the services she rendered. We are talking about meager $1.60. You must be one poor dude. Even if she asks you not to tip; you are still obligated to tip her because you are watching the show.
Elvia
10-24-2009, 04:21 PM
where did you come up with a number like $1.60?
And yes, you are being an idiot. If someone specifically asks you not to tip them, then it's ok to not tip them. I'm sure they don't need advice from the guy who never goes to SCs and has no idea how they work.
vmurphy252
10-24-2009, 04:31 PM
^Actually have to defend him slightly on this one: the $1.60 came from an earlier post by Phil-W where he was talking about tipping 1 GBP, and he was nice enough to do the currency conversion to $1.60 for us Americans.
To be clear, not defending any kind of thought process of his...
Elvia
10-24-2009, 04:34 PM
^^^OMG, that's hilarious.
And yet another wonderful example of why people who know nothing of SC's should not lecture others on the etiquette of SCs. I can imagine him at the rack right now, counting out an extra 60 cents as he stacks the coins on the tip rail
:rotfl:
Cyril
10-24-2009, 04:37 PM
In the strip pub, the ladies will take the time to approach each and every custy for the tip. If the lady doesn't approach you for the tip, are you going to jump out of your seat and follow her around so you can throw money into her jar?
I've performed at venues that use the "tip jar" system, and I would not approach certain friends, and people I knew, for tips. Mostly because they had either tipped me a lot in the past, or I knew that they were tight on money, and would be good for it another time. This is before a "stage" performance though, right Phil? They don't do a little dance for each person before they collect, or do they?
Its a different type of venue and vibe Cyril, not that you have anything to actually compare it to.
I do not know what the jar system is but I am sure he can walk up to the jar and place his tip in it once she places it on the stage. (I am assuming she puts the jar on the stage after she collects her money.)
I do not like the sound of this jar system; it sounds too much like a begging bowl. Why should a stripper has to walk around with a jar? I think it is very demeaning.
Coming back to the friendship angle, I do not build friendship so that I can get freebies from my friends. May be it is a cultural thing in UK where they make friends for trading goods and services. If we (you and I) were to become friends and I came to your club, I will tip you at least 10 singles per dance. Because I would want to help my friends when they are working; it boosts their morale.
Elvia
10-24-2009, 04:40 PM
^^^ and if she didn't want your money, you'd give it to her anyway. Then pat her on the head and explain that she just doesn't understand what she wants, or what is and isn't demeaning. Because you're such a nice guy, and you understand strippers better than we understand ourselves. ::)
Cyril
10-24-2009, 04:45 PM
where did you come up with a number like $1.60?
And yes, you are being an idiot. If someone specifically asks you not to tip them, then it's ok to not tip them. I'm sure they don't need advice from the guy who never goes to SCs and has no idea how they work.
It will do whole lot of good if you worked on your own intellect instead of calling others name. Do you want to go on ignore list where Mediocrity is most of the time?
Cyril
10-24-2009, 04:47 PM
^^^ and if she didn't want your money, you'd give it to her anyway. Then pat her on the head and explain that she just doesn't understand what she wants, or what is and isn't demeaning. Because you're such a nice guy, and you understand strippers better than we understand ourselves. ::)
Don't you have work to go to today? I thought Saturdays were the days for you strippers to make money.
Vyanka
10-24-2009, 04:54 PM
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