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bem401
10-24-2009, 05:22 PM
And yes, you are being an idiot.
I just want it to be noted that I said this first and a mode removed it.
Elvia
10-24-2009, 05:23 PM
Do you want to go on ignore list where Mediocrity is most of the time?
Somehow, I'm ok with that. I mainly like to revel in mocking you with other people.
yoda57us
10-24-2009, 05:23 PM
Don't you have work to go to today? I thought Saturdays were the days for you strippers to make money.
Ah Cyril you are so clueless you don't even know how clueless you are...
Good dancers make money when they work not because of the day of the week but because they know how to do their job. Many clubs actually have to require that dancers schedule a weekend day or night shift since many girls prefer not to work them.
If you could step out from behind your stereotypically narrow-minded assumptions about dancers and customers and go to a few clubs you might actually learn a few things someday. Eh, who am I kidding? You are much too happy thinking you know already know everything...
Elvia
10-24-2009, 05:25 PM
Ah, Yoda. Thank god we have contributors like you. You more than cancel out all the trolls. I don't have the energy to correct all of Cyril's stupid assumptions.
Cyril
10-24-2009, 05:25 PM
Somehow, I'm ok with that.
Very well my love.
Cyril
10-24-2009, 05:27 PM
I just want it to be noted that I said this first and a mode removed it.
I am glad someone is moderating the uncivilized behavior.
vmurphy252
10-24-2009, 05:27 PM
Ah, Yoda. Thank god we have contributors like you. You more than cancel out all the trolls. I don't have the energy to correct all of Cyril's stupid assumptions.
Attention whore feels left out... :(
Elvia
10-24-2009, 05:28 PM
poor murphy. :(
vmurphy252
10-24-2009, 06:16 PM
poor murphy. :(
That is not the response I was trying to elicit...
Elvia
10-24-2009, 06:17 PM
well then, get whorin'... :P
yoda57us
10-24-2009, 07:06 PM
Ah, Yoda. Thank god we have contributors like you. You more than cancel out all the trolls. I don't have the energy to correct all of Cyril's stupid assumptions.
:hat:
Earl_the_Pearl
10-24-2009, 09:05 PM
It will do whole lot of good if you worked on your own intellect instead of calling others name. Do you want to go on ignore list where Mediocrity is most of the time?
Cyril; the ignore list is for girlie men and those with unresolved psychological problems. :loco: I may be or have both but I never ignore; knowledge is power.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-24-2009, 09:12 PM
Hey!!
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg117/PuraCandela/000dyh2e.gif
I know that look. The air is thick with her moist musky essence. One can tell by the way her eyes look down for a brief time before she looks away. That shows she defers to men; by her deferral she will know the heights of ecstasy and perhaps hear the song of the Universe as few women have or ever will.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-24-2009, 09:20 PM
A Many clubs actually have to require that dancers schedule a weekend day or night shift since many girls prefer not to work them.
These "clubs" should be informed that dancers are independent contractors and will work when, where, how and at the times of their choosing. They will do what they want, when they want as they want.
Stephine tells me when to show up, when to drop my pants, when to bring my keens to my chest and when to cough. That is an independent contractor. She is the only women I will permit to anally violate me. :wide-eyed
Hopper
10-24-2009, 10:14 PM
Cyril; the ignore list is for girlie men and those with unresolved psychological problems. :loco: I may be or have both but I never ignore; knowledge is power.
No offence intended to Cyril but I always thought the same thing. For me to ignore someone he'd have to be bad enough for the mods to kick him. I like to keep my enemies in my sights. Ignore is lilke something kids do.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-24-2009, 11:13 PM
I like to keep my enemies in my sights.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)
His book The Art of War is studied to this day in the top military schools in the world.
laurcon
10-25-2009, 01:10 AM
ignoring can work wonders!
Cyril
10-25-2009, 04:12 AM
Cyril; the ignore list is for girlie men and those with unresolved psychological problems. :loco: I may be or have both but I never ignore; knowledge is power.
I do not use the ignore button. This is the mental ignore I am talking about. I do not have anyone on the ignore button. However, when someone becomes like a pest, I ignore him/her for a while till he/she calms down.
Cyril
10-25-2009, 04:13 AM
No offence intended to Cyril but I always thought the same thing. For me to ignore someone he'd have to be bad enough for the mods to kick him. I like to keep my enemies in my sights.
None taken.
Please see my reply to Earl the Pearl.
Cyril
10-25-2009, 04:16 AM
ignoring can work wonders!
That is true.
For example when you adopt a pet and the pet is frightened by you. To calm the pet down, you need to ignore the pet for few days. This does wonder. Pretty soon the pet will be coming to you instead of you going to the pet.
Deogol
10-25-2009, 08:36 AM
These "clubs" should be informed that dancers are independent contractors and will work when, where, how and at the times of their choosing. They will do what they want, when they want as they want.
Stephine tells me when to show up, when to drop my pants, when to bring my keens to my chest and when to cough. That is an independent contractor. She is the only women I will permit to anally violate me. :wide-eyed
Not quite. They are independent contractors, but they work to a contract - an agreement that states an agreed upon arrival and exit time for certain days (or such algorithm) and specific services they will do upon the clubs behalf (selling drinks.) If the dancer doesn't want to follow the contract, they are free to pass on the job and look else where.
If you hire a roofing company, and they don't show up - or do shit for getting things done - you can fire their asses or assess penalties (per contract) or offer incentives (bonus if done five days early.)
Independent contracting isn't a fuck-off for free job.
Same thing with dancers.
laurcon
10-25-2009, 11:24 AM
That is true.
For example when you adopt a pet and the pet is frightened by you. To calm the pet down, you need to ignore the pet for few days. This does wonder. Pretty soon the pet will be coming to you instead of you going to the pet.
lmao, please don't adopt any pets! :O
toddq138
10-25-2009, 11:44 AM
Hold up. Are we sure this isn't the difference between custies drinks and "ladies drinks?"
No, I know about lady drinks and happy hour prices. These two factors did not play a difference though. Just a bitchy waitress trying to drum up business for herself.
"I don't understand why some girls do that shit, it's a waste of time. Tell her you're waiting for someone else. I cannot waste time on someone who isn't interested, so i'd appreciate it if the guy tells me upfront so I can go on to the next." quote by Goddess Vyanka
That is a good idea to tell her I am waiting on someone else. Thanks.
hockeybobby
10-25-2009, 12:41 PM
^^^She may ask who you are waiting for. Better have an answer ready for that.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-25-2009, 02:28 PM
OMG, Cyril frightens animal and human alike!
Phil-W
10-25-2009, 03:10 PM
I've performed at venues that use the "tip jar" system, and I would not approach certain friends, and people I knew, for tips. Mostly because they had either tipped me a lot in the past, or I knew that they were tight on money, and would be good for it another time. This is before a "stage" performance though, right Phil? They don't do a little dance for each person before they collect, or do they?
Yeah - it's a floor show. Collect money in the jug, then dance around the bar. I generally chat to another dancer, talk to the bar maid or study my shoes if a dancer has purposefully not collected from me.
It's basically girls I know to some degree or other IRL. As one said to me some time back: "I have the occasional coffee with you in my kitchen - I'd feel uncomfortable dancing in front of you at work".
Phil.
Cyril
10-25-2009, 03:13 PM
OMG, Cyril frightens animal and human alike!
When you go to a pet school that is the first thing they teach you if your pet is new and is afraid of you. You give the pet its space. After couple of days, it realizes that you are not a threat and starts to follow you.
Phil-W
10-25-2009, 03:31 PM
You are still taking advantage of a stripper. The fact that she is your friend makes it even worse. You are using friendship as an excuse to low ball the poor girl. You are sitting there watching the show therefore must cough up $1.60. I mean how hard can it be to come up with $1.60? A person has to be a degenerate to not tip his own friend for the services she rendered. We are talking about meager $1.60. You must be one poor dude. Even if she asks you not to tip; you are still obligated to tip her because you are watching the show.
Cyril, I will explain this slowly and only using two syllable words.
These dancers are my friends and I respect their feelings. They do not want a guy they spend time with outside of work taking an interest in them while they are dancing.
I only go into work when they invite me. For example, they may invite me when they want a friendly face around because the place is full of grabby customers who they find it hard to get money out of. Then they know they can come to me and chat for 5 - 10 minutes and relax before going back to trying to hustle dances from semi--drunk idiots.
I do not watch them dancing because they would not like me to and I do not tip them because they do not want me to. If I did either of the above, I suspect I could kiss goodbye the friendship we have.
Phil.
Paris
10-25-2009, 03:40 PM
I probably would IF it meant he was going to wind up hurt by it in some way. How would you feel if someone was excepting two weeks of your pay?
I know if he were doing that at a poker game I was in I'd literally ask him if he could afford to lose that kind of money. Give him a reason to think.
Yeah, I'm a forward bastard. Yes, I care more about giving someone a reason to think about their actions before going all in than I care about making new friends. I have all the friends I need. Yeah, if my COMMON SENSE told me he hadn't thought it through I would get up from the table rather than be a party to his self destruction.
That's just me.
Since when is the way you see a situation always the correct /moral way to look at the situation? You may see a man spending his rent and grocery money at a strip club or at the poker table. You may think you are doing the right thing by convincing him that spending all his money on his vices is the wrong way to live life.
So he places his cash back in his pocket and goes out the door where a robber beats him within an inch of his life and steals all his money.
In this hypothetical (and that is all there is in this thread) you created a situation where the man not only doesn't have any money, he also has not experienced any pleasure in spending the money, is injured from the robbery, and still can't pay his rent or buy groceries.
Decisions are trade offs. You can make a good one or not, but you really have no control of the ultimate outcome of any decision. I've made the morally correct decision and been robbed of my money (customers of Bernard Madoff thought they were making morally correct decisions, and invested wisely instead of blowing their money on buildings or equipment for their businesses) and I have made "wrong" decisions that turned out to be advantageous to my life in the end. (like the time I told my boss to Fuck Off and got fired. Then I became a dancer and have had the best time of my life instead of working in a miserable job)
Ultimately, you never know what the outcome of any decision you make will be. Last time I checked, even the best psychic readers are only correct 50% of the time. (sounds like a coin toss to me)
Phil-W
10-25-2009, 03:42 PM
I do not know what the jar system is but I am sure he can walk up to the jar and place his tip in it once she places it on the stage. (I am assuming she puts the jar on the stage after she collects her money.)
No Cyril, it is a system used in strip pubs. The dancer has a pint glass that she walks round the pub with and collects a donation in from each customer in before she dances.
I do not like the sound of this jar system; it sounds too much like a begging bowl. Why should a stripper has to walk around with a jar? I think it is very demeaning.
Priceless. ::)
Coming back to the friendship angle, I do not build friendship so that I can get freebies from my friends. May be it is a cultural thing in UK where they make friends for trading goods and services. If we (you and I) were to become friends and I came to your club, I will tip you at least 10 singles per dance. Because I would want to help my friends when they are working; it boosts their morale.
Cyril - dancers are not in the habit of forming friendships with customers. Because the dancer and I are friends, we have a tacit agreement I will not behave like a customer when I meet her while she is working. She will not ask for a tip, and I will not watch her while she dances.
If you ever become friends OTC with a dancer (and hell will freeze over before that) tipping her 10 singles and watching her dance will be about as popular as opening a pork butchers in Israel.
Phil.
xdamage
10-25-2009, 04:19 PM
So /threadjack kind of...
Yea, doesn't look like I'll have time to go to Vegas until next year, and that is much too long to wait :) So the sun was shining, light traffic, 65ish weather... grabbed some cash and went to the Philly club on impulse.
While this is not the greatest club, one good dancers makes all the difference. Had some hot dances and now I'm ready to face life's daily stresses again for a while.
Thanks dancers. In some ways a good experience at a SC is the cheapest quick fix therapy in the world ;)
yoda57us
10-25-2009, 04:29 PM
So /threadjack kind of...
While this is not the greatest club, one good dancers makes all the difference. Had some hot dances and now I'm ready to face life's daily stresses again for a while.
Agreed, one good dancer is all it takes...
I have my favorite clubs but sometimes my schedule just doesn't allow time for a 60 minute drive and a visit with my ATF.
...So I go to the dump that is about twenty minutes from my house. It's hit or miss but on a good night it can be a great temporary fix for what is ailing me...
Deogol
10-25-2009, 05:25 PM
When you go to a pet school that is the first thing they teach you if your pet is new and is afraid of you. You give the pet its space. After couple of days, it realizes that you are not a threat and starts to follow you.
This is also the "new" way of breaking horses. Stand in the middle of the ring until the horse runs its fear out and curiosity is the new impulse. Using body language to note it is OK (animals can't talk!) With horses it's called "natural horsemanship." Probably a variation of this for new critters out of the store.
Elvia
10-25-2009, 05:34 PM
^^^ way to miss the point and threadjack, gentlemen. well done.
Golden_Rule
10-25-2009, 06:46 PM
Since when is the way you see a situation always the correct /moral way to look at the situation?
This is aiming for scientific, not smug, so please excuse that I know its going to read "stiff".
I wasn't claiming it was.
All I am claiming as fact are three things:
1) There is a standard of comportment that is the basis of man's contract with his fellow man that is rooted in the philosophical ideology of the great philosophers and became the standard of our civil and legal codes. It is therefore highly documented and has nothing to do with any one person's viewpoint [including my own] of what is right or wrong. Its accepted as a given. These are the basis of this society's social norms. One can opt out of them but in doing so one can't claim to be acting "normally"or correctly. At least not by this society's standards.
2) The most basic tenet of them all is "Behave towards others as you would want them to behave toward you if the situation were reversed." It is the basis of the "reasonable man standard" in our civil law and the heart of English Common Law.
3) Actions in closed microcosms of society, like strip-clubs, tend to have cumulative effects so any one person's actions either adds to the positive of the overall situation or detracts from it. This is also well documented.
Then I make the following conclusion:
It strikes me both as hypocritical thinking and likely self-defeating behavior not to realize that if one is both complaining about what goes on in clubs but also commenting positively on actions that violate the most basic tenet described above one is contributing to the very thing that allows for the type of environment that facilitates the things that person is complaining about.
IOW, IF that is the case they are part of the very problem they are complaining about so if they want to fix the problem the best thing they can do to accomplish that is fix their own behavior first, as it is the ONE facet of the situation they have direct control over.
You may see a man spending his rent and grocery money at a strip club or at the poker table. You may think you are doing the right thing by convincing him that spending all his money on his vices is the wrong way to live life.
So he places his cash back in his pocket and goes out the door where a robber beats him within an inch of his life and steals all his money.
In this hypothetical (and that is all there is in this thread) you created a situation where the man not only doesn't have any money, he also has not experienced any pleasure in spending the money, is injured from the robbery, and still can't pay his rent or buy groceries.
You are smarter than that.
Its not a proper hypothetical as there is no correlation present between convincing him not to spend his money on vices and the act of his being robbed.
Its like saying talking a man out of suicide isn't proper because he could then step off the curb and be hit by a bus. The two events are mutually exclusive and no corollary is possible.
Decisions are trade offs.
Yes, many are. So the trade off present in the endorsing of bad behavior by the self or others in S-Cs is to endorse those same things happening to ones self and to lose the benefit of being taken seriously by others when complaining about it.
Which is was a big part of the point I was trying to make.
You can make a good one or not, but you really have no control of the ultimate outcome of any decision.
Truly? You are, you know, setting an argument up against self-determination. Is that truly your intent?
I've made the morally correct decision and been robbed of my money
Again, truly not an issue unless you can prove you were robbed directly BECAUSE you made the correct moral decision. If not the actions were mutually exclusive and have nothing to do with one another. In fact, if my deduction is correct it is far more likely your being robbed was connected to the environment being conducive to acts of bad faith caused by the bad faith of others. [I've mentioned this before. Its part of the "broken windows" approach to cleaning up neighborhoods... if you want to improve an area first you clean it up and make it look and feel like a place crime doesn't belong... pretty soon crime feels out of place there and it goes someplace more conducive to its presence. All I am suggesting is applying that to strip-clubs in a way that works in strip-clubs].
You are a smart person and this could be an interesting convo but I don't want to write a book here and I'm saying things I have said before [hopefully in a clearer way that gets me understood better but... {shurgging shoulders}].
Earl_the_Pearl
10-25-2009, 06:54 PM
Not quite. They are independent contractors, but they work to a contract -
Contract? The only contract is what management tells them to do. A real contract specified how much compensation the contractor will receive.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-25-2009, 07:01 PM
I just want it to be noted that I said this first and a mode removed it.
I have had posts disappear too; I thought perhaps I had a problem posting. Usually a message is left to show moderation has taken place. Or a spank your monkey PM is sent.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Contract? The only contract is what management tells them to do. A real contract specified how much compensation the contractor will receive.
Ummm, no, actually we DO sign a fucking contract upon getting hired. You're not a stripper and you don't work in the SC, so you have no idea what you are talking about.
HOWEVER, a lot of clubs do not follow proper IC laws, but its not all of them. And who cares about managers. Everyone has managers if they aren't their own boss. You just do the same as you would anywhere, make it look like you respect him, do what's required, and look out for yourself.
What's your problem man, its pissing me off, even though it shouldn't.
In regards to compensation, you can contract for a sales position, where rate of pay is variable, it happens all the time. Obviously, you don't work in sales either.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-25-2009, 08:34 PM
Ummm, no, actually we DO sign a fucking contract upon getting hired. You're not a stripper and you don't work in the SC, so you have no idea what you are talking about.
You don't work in North East New Jersey clubs so with all due respect you don't know what you are talking about.
BTW how much compensation does your contract guarantee? ::)
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-25-2009, 08:41 PM
It ensures me 100% of the money I earn from customers through stage tips and private dances. There ya go, babe. In some places, its less if they take a cut of the dances.
Housefees and tips are noted in a different part of the contract.
Aren't most of the clubs in North Jersey run by the mob anyway? Contract doesn't really matter then anyway, huh ace? ;)
xdamage
10-25-2009, 08:41 PM
IOW, IF that is the case they are part of the very problem they are complaining about so if they want to fix the problem the best thing they can do to accomplish that is fix their own behavior first, as it is the ONE facet of the situation they have direct control over.
GR you have good reasoning abilities, and I do enjoy reading your posts. I just wanted to drop one more thought though to add another PoV that may (or may not) be enlightening.
Doctors and Nurses (as well as Pharmacists and those who R&D drugs and medical devices) may lament that people are sick, yet should the day come that there are no more sick people they would be out of work, their income gone.
LE (as well as well paid Judges and Lawyers) may be disgusted that criminals (convicted or not) behave badly, that people are unable to resolve their own disputes, but should the day come that everyone was crime free, when everyone could resolve their own problems, they would be out of a job.
People in our society may complain that it is not fair that some can afford higher education, while some potentially talented people cannot, and even those with educations may agree, but should the day come when everyone is given paid for college the market will be swamped with qualified people and even those with the best of good will may be dismayed to find that the degree they paid for has been dramatically devalued, the pay they previously earned slashed in the face of 10's or even 100's of times more people qualified to do the same job.
People in society often complain about government over spending, or lack of benefits, yet if it costs them directly, a direct increase of their own taxes, or if you cut a program so they lose a personal benefits or a job, they are up in arms.
Point? None really other then there are endless ways in which people are pulled in multiple directions, even profiting from others bad behavior or misfortune, yet doing it because while they do want things to be better, they don't really necessarily want everything to change either as it would negatively effect them.
Such is life and us people.
Golden_Rule
10-25-2009, 11:06 PM
GR you have good reasoning abilities, and I do enjoy reading your posts.
Thank you and likewise.
Point? None really other then there are endless ways in which people are pulled in multiple directions, even profiting from others bad behavior or misfortune, yet doing it because while they do want things to be better, they don't really necessarily want everything to change either as it would negatively effect them.
Such is life and us people.
Totally agreed, and not at all lost on me.
That doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, point such things out when we see them go by.
Or are you suggesting we shouldn't mention that the emperor/empress has on no clothes if s/he truly is naked? :)
chris91
10-26-2009, 12:30 AM
Thank you and likewise.
Totally agreed, and not at all lost on me.
That doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, point such things out when we see them go by.
Or are you suggesting we shouldn't mention that the emperor/empress has on no clothes if s/he truly is naked? :)
Have you ever thought about minding your own business?
Golden_Rule
10-26-2009, 01:53 AM
Have you ever thought about minding your own business?
Let me see:
1) The comments I am making are in response to open posts made on an open board to the general assembled membership.
2) I am part of that general assembly.
Conclusion: It is my business if I choose to make it so. No different than yourself or any other member present.
May I ask have you ever thought about not trying to impose your censoring ways on ideas you don't approve of, and your dis-ordinate dislike of people simply because they hold opinions you don't agree with?
You know, I'm starting to think Roy Cohn has nothing on you, Babe. [said in my best Richard Belzer impersonation] }:D
http://ten.com.au/images/svu-munch-richard-belzer-288x375.jpg
P.S. : If it gives you any insight [not that you'd want any] into my make up when the guys at work wanted to rib me good naturedly they'd call me "Munch". Even I have to admit if you had to compare me to any TV cop his character would probably be closest to my own. So that is what you are dealing with.
xdamage
10-26-2009, 10:10 AM
Its not a proper hypothetical as there is no correlation present between convincing him not to spend his money on vices and the act of his being robbed.
Correlations can be gray areas sometimes, but I agree in this case, one way to gain insight being to try out similar hypothetical situations and ask what would the average person think? For example:
A young couple wanders into a jewelry store, their 1 year anniversary, clearly still in love, their visit just meant as a what-if, a wish... one day when they can afford such things.
The owner shows them a beautiful necklace but sadly the price is far beyond what they could possibly afford. But being well off himself, they remind him of himself in his younger years, a moment of true altruism strikes him and he feels a need to give something back, to bring a bit of happiness into the world, he offers them this necklace at a price they could afford.
Ecstatic with their good fortune, they leave the store, she wearing the necklace, they not paying attention, they cut through an alley where, the mugger sees the necklace, mugs them.
Now they are out of the money and the necklace, happy moments before, money spent, but due to the choices of the mugger miserable moments later.
I think the average person would agree that the original act was done in good faith, intent to help; the later act of another is not the fault of the former, the relationship between the events casual, and not intended to do harm.
We definitely make our decisions with limited awareness of the future ramifications, and even well meant efforts can back fire, but not acting is also a kind of decision in itself, and can also lead to negative outcomes.
Or are you suggesting we shouldn't mention that the emperor/empress has on no clothes if s/he truly is naked? :)
Not, just maybe not in the context of this forum (or at least less strongly) given that it is a support forum for dancers. I realize it's fuzzy what with the CC group being here, and they tolerate stronger dissenting opinion on SCJ. It's like we talked about in the past. If it was a support forum for LE they wouldn't tolerate anti-LE sentiments on such a forum. As you said, it would never happen because non-LE would never get in, but since it is an open forum, and since it is left up to good faith, it's also understandable that there is an assumption that the "support" aspect is still a key reason for the forum existence, and so as guests we have to be careful how far we cross the lines from being supportive into our own PoV that may appear quite negative (even if we mean well).
yoda57us
10-26-2009, 10:35 AM
You don't work in North East New Jersey clubs so with all due respect you don't know what you are talking about.
Well, when you post you expert opinions you never bother to mention that it may only apply to the clubs you visit either. The fact is some clubs have contracts some don't but very few dancers anywhere get to decide exactly when they want to work with no input from management. Things are different all over the country. In Mass the entire myth of the dancer being an independent contractor has been struck down in court.
Most of the clubs I know of require girls to work a certain number of shifts a week and a weekend shift once a week or once a month. Some require a Sunday shift. Most fine you for calling out or arriving late. Some require you to phone your schedule in by a certain day or you are not allowed to work. One that my ATF just stared at does their scheduling a month in advance. Hell, one place I know of you used to fine you for wearing red shoes...just because they could.
Does any of this sound like the girls can just show up for work whenever they want?::)
laurcon
10-26-2009, 01:26 PM
GR - your posts are entirely too long to quote. but basically, i still do not understand what your point is. seriously, to use the golden rule? we do. perhaps not everyone wants to be treated how you would like to be. i know i can be a spoiled brat and i like to throw money around sometimes. if some one told me not to, i'd be extremely angry. therefore, i'm not going to stop anyone else from doing the same. it doesn't matter to me what they look like or how old or anything. because you think differently and would say something like an asshole and lose the person's business/companionship at the moment because they're pissed and feel awkward now, then that's you. other people are not breaking the golden rule because they feel differently.
AND, i forgot who exactly but one of the girls i really enjoy posted about the mugging thing (Paris!)... she wasn't saying that the mugging was causational to the guy not losing his money at poker. only that the guy lost his money regardless, but now didn't have fun. just like the suicide example you gave was not relevant because the person is dead either way, except maybe the bus thing is more painful but that's stretching it. i believe she was merely saying that people can lose money all sorts of ways, let them do it how they choose.
laurcon
10-26-2009, 01:36 PM
oh and also, the tip jug thing sounds bum to me too. really makes me think of a beggar like "can i have some coin please sir!" could people literally put in change? i mean, i guess its not so different than jersey style dollar parading, but the actual use of a jug, or any kind of tip jar, seems cheap or like workers at dunkin donuts. cheap isn't the word i'm really looking for but i'm drawing a blank. and i don't mean to offend any girls that do this, i'd really like to hear how you feel about it.
chris91
10-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Let me see:
1) The comments I am making are in response to open posts made on an open board to the general assembled membership.
2) I am part of that general assembly.
Conclusion: It is my business if I choose to make it so. No different than yourself or any other member present.
May I ask have you ever thought about not trying to impose your censoring ways on ideas you don't approve of, and your dis-ordinate dislike of people simply because they hold opinions you don't agree with?
Oh, I wasn't suggesting that you mind your own business in regards to this forum. I was suggesting that you mind your own business when it comes to telling other people that they shouldn't buy lapdances/play poker etc.
You see, what I find hypocritical is that you would be so rude as to stick your nose into the business of strangers, while going around giving everyone unsolicited lessons on how to act right.
Also, I don't dislike you because you disagree with me. I dislike you because you insist that your opinion is fact, backpedal like crazy whenever anyone calls bullshit, constantly talk about what a good guy you are while judging everyone else, and because you're obnoxious.
chris91
10-26-2009, 03:22 PM
oh and also, the tip jug thing sounds bum to me too. really makes me think of a beggar like "can i have some coin please sir!" could people literally put in change? i mean, i guess its not so different than jersey style dollar parading, but the actual use of a jug, or any kind of tip jar, seems cheap or like workers at dunkin donuts. cheap isn't the word i'm really looking for but i'm drawing a blank. and i don't mean to offend any girls that do this, i'd really like to hear how you feel about it.
I love the tip jar idea. I'd much rather just walk up and ask for money, than have to work and hope that someone gives me something. It's not weird if all the girls are doing it.