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CKXXX
10-13-2009, 01:03 PM
Wow. If I had a penny for every time I heard this,FROM GR I'd be a millionaire.

Fixed!;D

CKXXX
10-13-2009, 01:14 PM
Oh and BTW to all....in my entire stripping career I never did anything that either 1) I would think was awful if done to me or 2) wasnt deserved

If I as a customer, went into a SC and fell in "love"...spending craploads of money I didnt have..thats MY fault. I might feel stupid afterwards, but I wouldnt be pissed at the dancer. She was just doing her job. And if I went in acting like a total asshole....again, it would be MY fault if someone spilled a drink on me or whatnot.

So if you let yourself lose control and spend more then you can afford...its your own damn fault..deal with it and dont try to blame everyone BUT yourself for what YOU did.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 02:52 PM
The suffering I have been witness to is quite large, and so much of it was avoidable with just a little good will and square dealing.]
Let's take the lipstick off this pig. It is the nature of the business that throws the Golden Rule out the window. How many attached men go into clubs? The Golden Rule is out as soon as they enter the door.

99 and 44/100% of the dancers would do something else if they could make the same money working the same hours?

There is a percent of PLs and dancers who actually have a profound dislike for each other. These are the ones that are remembered and cast a cautious tense tone over the business.

I remember when gambling as a business by its very nature was evil and not to be tolerated except in one small area of the country. As politicians needed more money gambling was not so evil after all. Of course now in Atlantic City one sees signs in every other window offering cash for your car, boat or the gold in your teeth.

There may be exclusive meet and greet that are very well run and both sides come out winners but even those are kept quiet and under wraps. I can’t see something where the Golden Rule is paramount having to be kept out of the public eye.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 02:55 PM
The Jets are playing the fish... have to go now. :D Already missed the first half hour of the game.

Sorry about that; I hope you missed the last minute too.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:04 PM
So, should I feel bad for taking 800$ from a 20 year old boy? That was like two weeks pay for him.
~~~
There is a house in New Orleans
They call the Rising Sun
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy
And God I know I'm one~~~

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:10 PM
you're ridiculous! how is this not the same thing? 1st of all, can anyone really take 4 trips to the atm for $500?? its generally a $500 cash limit you can take out at an atm in one day so that people can't get your card and your pin and drain your whole account.

I have two credit cards and two debit cards and can get $2,100 a day. :male:

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:17 PM
I know if he were doing that at a poker game I was in I'd literally ask him if he could afford to lose that kind of money. Give him a reason to think.


Like Tony Soprano did with the owner of Ramsey's. If someone is hell bent on destruction no one can stop him.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:23 PM
^^^lmao chris! great post.

^ um GR, a 28 yr old dropped 48k at my club one night. at the end of the night he was saying how it was nothing and he'd make twice that in the market tomorrow.
If it was nothing how did it come up in conversation? Please tell me his penis never left his pants and his fingers smell like cheap champagne.

xdamage
10-13-2009, 03:28 PM
I remember when gambling as a business by its very nature was evil and not to be tolerated except in one small area of the country. As politicians needed more money gambling was not so evil after all. Of course now in Atlantic City one sees signs in every other window offering cash for your car, boat or the gold in your teeth.


Arguably it still is illegal in much of the country, though some forms like lotteries and horse racing sometimes slip past the do-gooers. But there are still a lot of laws limiting where people can gamble.

And as much as I dislike the government choosing what I can and cannot do, I also know that to a degree the conservative and religious who oppose vices have always had a valid point. Vices can bring out the worst in people, both sellers and buyers at times, plus it is true that many people who get caught up in vices have families that feel the negative effects. But ...

I'd much rather we had the freedom to entertain ourselves how we wish even if some do get trampled, sad to say it. Because the inverse evil is those of us who can handle vices fine have millions of others of busy bodies telling us what we can/cannot do with our bodies and money. That option pretty much sucks for everyone.

And FWIW the irony is that there is also gambling in Amsterdam and it is non-interesting because it's not special. It's the same issue with SCs here. If it was legal everywhere soon there would be so many clubs, and gambling establishments the mystique that has it seem interesting would lift. So strangely the vice industry also benefits from the laws that limit it. A lot of the appeal is because it is "wrong", a-typical entertainment. I think if it was entirely legal everywhere, people would grow up with it, the news about how the industries really worked would be common news, and all in all people would handle it fine, sans a few whose addictive personalities would end up screwing them no matter what we do.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:32 PM
Even Tony Soprano asked the guy with the sporting goods store if he was sure he wanted to continue when he was already deep in the hole.
That is only because they were good friends. Tony bled his store dry after beating him; it was nothing personal the guy still wanted Tony to go to Colorado with him after he lost his family.

Yo, it's only business.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:32 PM
Also, I agree with the other girls. You are giving one example and when we poke holes in your theory, you replace it with something worse/different/more extreme. It's freakin aggravating. Like argueing with a small child. You can never win, even when you DO, because the aggressor (you) can't decide what their fucking point is (or maybe your point is so damn broad that no one could ever prove it true or false, thus providing you with endless hours of amusement and annoying the fuck out of the rest of us).

Ok, perception is an individual experience but please understand that where I am sitting MY perception is that no one has successfully poked a hole in the argument represented by the single question I won't repeat because it gets a few people's knickers in a twist when I do. That's why I can say with confidence I am perfectly willing to let anyone coming along with an interest read and decide for themselves.

You only have my word on this but if I saw a point that poked a hole in my argument I would simply say, "Good going." and move on.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:35 PM
I'd much rather we had the freedom to entertain ourselves how we wish even if some do get trampled, sad to say it.
OK but Not In My Back Yard. We had a SC in my town it is now a park; I voted park.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:37 PM
Too funny!! }:D I just spit Diet Coke out my nose! :rotfl:

Yeah, its funny. Says way more about her than it does about me though. Getting rude like that almost always says more about the person getting rude than one the rude person is trying to put down.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:42 PM
But it still goes back to why we need to teach adults about personal responsibility.
For some it is as easy as responsibility for others it is an all consuming addiction. The latter is big bank.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:43 PM
On the flip side society has required many of these industries to disclose the risks of using their products, which might deter the extreme spenders, but still if you want to smoke 4 packs a day, enjoy; if you want to gamble your life savings away in a casino, enjoy; if you want to drink yourself into black out every night, enjoy. In no case does anyone stop a buyer from over doing it. The one exception is bars where bar owners are legal responsible if after serving, a patron hurts themselves or others (even then the laws vary and it remains debated if the patron should be self-responsible entirely).

That isn't true.

Casinos are legally required in many jurisdictions to cut off people, especially playing on markers. Four pack a day smokers are being limited more and more by the closing in of places they are allowed to smoke, but I do get your point on that one.

Negligence is decided, after the fact, in courts of law all the time. People act and those actions cause damage, or the fail to act and that causes damage, and courts determine whether or not someone was acting outside the boundaries of reasonable behavior.

Perhaps the strip-club industry could use a few cutting edge civil cases establishing boundaries of due diligence and reasonable behavior. Maybe a precedent or two are warranted. :)

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Real life though is just large swathes of gray...

All the gray is why a KISS method is a must. To make the complex manageable.

So "the question", which I am sorry no one has put a hole in it yet:

"Do I want someone to do to me what I am about to do to this person?"

If the answer is no then justify how its right to do it?


The thing of it seems to be that few people here want to admit they don't ask this question of themselves because they don't want to answer it.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:53 PM
Perhaps the strip-club industry could use a few cutting edge civil cases establishing boundaries of due diligence and reasonable behavior. Maybe a precedent or two are warranted. :)
SCs usually win as they are the pros and know how to set up the mark. Much like the girls gone wild guy; he never lost a law suit.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:58 PM
Let's take the lipstick off this pig. It is the nature of the business that throws the Golden Rule out the window. How many attached men go into clubs? The Golden Rule is out as soon as they enter the door.

99 and 44/100% of the dancers would do something else if they could make the same money working the same hours?

There is a percent of PLs and dancers who actually have a profound dislike for each other. These are the ones that are remembered and cast a cautious tense tone over the business.

I remember when gambling as a business by its very nature was evil and not to be tolerated except in one small area of the country. As politicians needed more money gambling was not so evil after all. Of course now in Atlantic City one sees signs in every other window offering cash for your car, boat or the gold in your teeth.

There may be exclusive meet and greet that are very well run and both sides come out winners but even those are kept quiet and under wraps. I can’t see something where the Golden Rule is paramount having to be kept out of the public eye.

You know some folks dump on you around here because they don't like what you say but that is the strongest argument yet I have heard regarding the "special ethical arena" of strip-clubs.

I'm not sure I can agree with it but it is a potent argument.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 03:59 PM
"Do I want someone to do to me what I am about to do to this person?"


Not fair; if I'm getting friendly with a dancer do I have to ask myself would I want a PL to do this to me. Fair; I would gladly get friendly with a dancer for free so she should do unto me as I would do unto her.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 03:59 PM
Sorry about that; I hope you missed the last minute too.

Unfortunately not.

SOJ [same old Jets], snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. :)

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 04:05 PM
I'm not sure I can agree with it but it is a potent argument.
It bothers me every time I'm with a dancer; I think too much. I can't just give her money it would be bad business. If she supplies a service did I do her harm even if it pays her phone bill.

Perhaps I should get married again and give it all away the right a proper way. :noidea:

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 04:10 PM
Unfortunately not.

SOJ [same old Jets], snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. :)
thread jack/ Number 8 and the new 17 seamed to click really well for only two days of practice.

end thread jack/

bem401
10-13-2009, 05:40 PM
Why are they delusional? My regs know exactly what our relationship is. Doesn't stop me from making thousands off them. You seriously have a fucked up pov here. Perhaps you are one of the "delusional" ones?

I know a few guys that have gone down hard financially in SC's. No Jay, I'm not one of them. It just seems to me that if other people were able to realize these scenarios weren't going to end well, then the dancer probably did as well. Maybe that's expecting too much. I still maintain that if a dancer were using deception ( ie: leading the guy on ) or was aware the relationship was triggering financial problems for the guy and his family [and both these conditions appeared to me to be in play in the scenarios I am recalling], then her actions ought to be re-thought.

Perhaps I'm allowing my awareness of what I consider a couple of ugly situations color my pov . If there is no deception and no inkling of financial damage, then I guess I ought not cast aspersions.

JayATee
10-13-2009, 06:01 PM
I know a few guys that have gone down hard financially in SC's. No Jay, I'm not one of them. It just seems to me that if other people were able to realize these scenarios weren't going to end well, then the dancer probably did as well. Maybe that's expecting too much. I still maintain that if a dancer were using deception ( ie: leading the guy on ) or was aware the relationship was triggering financial problems for the guy and his family [and both these conditions appeared to me to be in play in the scenarios I am recalling], then her actions ought to be re-thought.

Perhaps I'm allowing my awareness of what I consider a couple of ugly situations color my pov . If there is no deception and no inkling of financial damage, then I guess I ought not cast aspersions.

The guys who spend that much on me aren't mortgaging their houses to do it. ::)

xdamage
10-13-2009, 06:25 PM
Casinos are legally required in many jurisdictions to cut off people, especially playing on markers.

... but I do get your point on that one.



Hey that is good though! Society should push back at vice business if we see it is causing too many people some degree of harm. Try to find a happy balance point.

It works great in the end even if it is a struggle along the way. And now the gambling industry even makes it sound like it is their idea, nice little signs up, and telling us they believe in responsible gaming. Hey whatever works.

It is an admission on their part that some customers do go too far, and that they do have some responsibility to help with identifying those who are going to extremes.

But the motivation for that likely won't come from those profiting but rather from the communities that have to deal with the fall out of those who over spend.

Would be nice if it did but realistically the rest of society has to care enough to speak up and demand it.

xdamage
10-13-2009, 06:31 PM
OK but Not In My Back Yard. We had a SC in my town it is now a park; I voted park.

Hey, who here wants their property value lowered - it's always about what is best for us ;D


For some it is as easy as responsibility for others it is an all consuming addiction. The latter is big bank.

That's the fundamental quandary with vices; they are addicting to some and there is a conflict of interest for the sellers who profit. But it's also fine. The rest of society that legalized the business to begin with can (and must) police vice industries to some degree to protect society too. Vices are by definition not essential, and it is fine that some profit, but if society feels too many are harmed then society should demand laws that require vice sellers to do more, be it disclosure, monitoring, shared responsibility for damages, etc.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 06:44 PM
Hey that is good though! Society should push back at vice business if we see it is causing too many people some degree of harm. Try to find a happy balance point.


The problem lies in those that will supply what they want illegally. Drugs are illegal but that doesn't stop those that want them from getting them and making bad guys rich and corrupting some good people with massive bribes. No easy answer.

Elvia
10-13-2009, 07:28 PM
No... I said a drunk man who to a reasonable man standard was obviously in over his head after blowing through the cash in his pocket and making the 3rd or 4th trip to the ATM for $500.

That isn't the same thing as you just wrote.

How do we know this guy is in over his head? Because he dresses in a "middle class" way we assume that he doesn't have $1500 to spend as he sees fit? Or are you suggesting that there should be a limit on how much a drunk person should be allowed to spend in a single club?

xdamage
10-13-2009, 07:29 PM
The problem lies in those that will supply what they want illegally. Drugs are illegal but that doesn't stop those that want them from getting them and making bad guys rich and corrupting some good people with massive bribes. No easy answer.

There is no easy answer, and some people seemingly are going to self-destruct legally or illegally, but in the case of SCs I think society has mixed views about who is exploiting who.

I've read plenty of people who feel disgust over the idea of us 40+ year old guys using SCs. That we are exploiting the financial or mental state of mind 20 something women; that in total we are doing significant damage. And I bet you not one guy here wants to feel that guilt or even likes mulling over the possibility that there is something to that. We'd much rather hear arguments that absolve us of any wrong doing.

And there is no absolute right or wrong about that PoV either because there may well be some women who feel exploited, yet don't quit, just like there may be customers who feel exploited, but don't stop spending. Somehow they work it out in their minds that, when all options are considered, somehow it is still the best option for them to continue. That also is us humans, that even when we dislike our choices we may continue do it, in part because we are getting something out of shifting the responsibility on to others. We hope something magic will happen and things will improve.

No easy answers indeed.

Elvia
10-13-2009, 07:36 PM
I probably would IF it meant he was going to wind up hurt by it in some way. How would you feel if someone was excepting two weeks of your pay?

I know if he were doing that at a poker game I was in I'd literally ask him if he could afford to lose that kind of money. Give him a reason to think.

Yeah, I'm a forward bastard. Yes, I care more about giving someone a reason to think about their actions before going all in than I care about making new friends. I have all the friends I need. Yeah, if my COMMON SENSE told me he hadn't thought it through I would get up from the table rather than be a party to his self destruction.

That's just me.

And you really don't see anything wrong with questioning a stranger in that way? Wow.

Well, the rest of us would see that as a boundary. I know you think you're just being a great guy to let your concern take priority over "making friends." But the rest of us don't see it as "making friends." We see it as minding our own business, not crossing boundaries with strangers, and just generally behaving appropriately. Many of us have said that we would NOT want strangers questioning us in that way. So we are indeed following the golden rule.

Your arrogance astounds me, time and time again.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 07:53 PM
I've read plenty of people who feel disgust over the idea of us 40+ year old guys using SCs. That we are exploiting the financial or mental state of mind 20 something women; that in total we are doing significant damage.
Could that be why I frequent the clubs I do? 30 something are the young ones. :O

Elvia
10-13-2009, 08:00 PM
Wow. :)
I will leave it to those reading along as to who, if anyone, was being insulting. All I know is that I wasn't attempting to insult anyone. Just have a reasonable discussion about ethics and being fair with each other. Apparently some people took it personally. ::)

Not my fault, nor particularly my problem either.


Some quotes from you:

Some of you would make lousy partners. Not exactly "stand up" types.


That's what I love about this place. Every time I think I can't be amazed it finds a new way to surprise me. {chuckling and shaking my head}



Here's my version of the above... I'm going to be dead before the world turns into a total piece of crap because everyone's out for their own at the cost of everyone else. So its not going to be my problem.
Elvia may still be around though. I wonder what she's going to think of it as the trend continues and deepens when she's in her 70's and the kids coming up with even worse POV on the G_R are the ones who have the decision making power on how they treat old folks?




You really don't think you've been condescending and insulting? Hmmm. Ok. ::)

dangerousdiva
10-13-2009, 08:03 PM
I think it comes down to this. GR thinks it is wrong to sell VIP's to drunk guys and that anyone spending over certain amount should have their mental competency questioned. Oh and that we should also run a credit report on our customers to ensure they are financially solvent enough to afford our services.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

If we do not do these things then we deserve to get assaulted or ripped off in the VIP room.

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 08:55 PM
If we do not do these things then we deserve to get assaulted or ripped off in the VIP room.
If assaults are common in VIP rooms VIP rooms should be eliminated.

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 09:21 PM
But the rest of us don't see it as "making friends." We see it as minding our own business, not crossing boundaries with strangers, and just generally behaving appropriately.

And the fact that you are also profiting at the same time doesn't effect it at all?

:)



Your arrogance astounds me, time and time again.

You call it arrogance. I call it looking out for my fellow travelers. A polite comment made at a moment when it looks like someone is about to slip over the edge has saved many a floundering soul. Hey, but what do I know I was just... [look out, he's about to say it again]...


Nah. }:D

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 09:30 PM
Some quotes from you:

Some of you would make lousy partners. Not exactly "stand up" types.


That's what I love about this place. Every time I think I can't be amazed it finds a new way to surprise me. {chuckling and shaking my head}

Yeah, and...

Generalized comments pointed at no one in particular [made after taking in quite a bit of directly pointed at me crap I might add] and only applicable to those who have a guilty conscience and think it applies to them.

Consider the abusive posts coming my way, for as long as they were coming my way, a very measured and civilized response.



Here's my version of the above... I'm going to be dead before the world turns into a total piece of crap because everyone's out for their own at the cost of everyone else. So its not going to be my problem.
Elvia may still be around though. I wonder what she's going to think of it as the trend continues and deepens when she's in her 70's and the kids coming up with even worse POV on the G_R are the ones who have the decision making power on how they treat old folks?

That not an insult. That is a legit question for you to think about. I suggested a societal trend is taking place and that you, being younger than me, are going to have to deal with the result. I'll be dead so I won't have to. Where is the insult in that?


You really don't think you've been condescending and insulting? Hmmm. Ok. ::)

The only thing I have been is sarcastic [mildly at that], and that only after getting piddled on by some folks who like to make these kind of dialogs personal and get angry and it shows in their posts pointed in my direction.

Like I said, considering the level of vitriol initially pointed at me I consider the above very measured and civilized responses.

as always, wishing well...

Golden_Rule
10-13-2009, 09:34 PM
I think it comes down to this. GR thinks it is wrong to sell VIP's to drunk guys and that anyone spending over certain amount should have their mental competency questioned. Oh and that we should also run a credit report on our customers to ensure they are financially solvent enough to afford our services.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

If we do not do these things then we deserve to get assaulted or ripped off in the VIP room.

Geeze...how many times do I have to say it...

I am NOT <NOT> NOT saying anything of the sort.

The ONLY thing I AM saying is that people should take, particularly in unusual circumstances [like someone who presents as being unusually over the edge in some way], a moment to ask if what they are about to do to someone is something they would want done to them. If the answer is no I don't see how you justify it.

Its simple.

1) Do you ever honestly ask the question of yourself?

2) If you do, do you ever get no back as an answer?

3) If you do, do you go ahead and do it anyway?

If the answer is you ask the question of yourself and if you get no as a response you stop, I'm not talking to you.

If the answer is you do something to someone else you know you wouldn't want down to you, how do you live with yourself?

Earl_the_Pearl
10-13-2009, 10:05 PM
If the answer is you do something to someone else you know you wouldn't want down to you, how do you live with yourself?
"First, the Eskimo coats his knife blade with animal blood and allows it to freeze. Then he adds another layer of blood, and another, until the blade is completely concealed by frozen blood. Next, the hunter fixes his knife in the ground with the blade up. When a wolf follows his sensitive nose to the source of the scent and discovers the bait, he licks it, tasting the fresh frozen blood. He begins to lick faster, more and more vigorously, lapping the blade until the keen edge is bare. Feverishly now, harder and harder the wolf licks the blade in the arctic night. So great becomes his craving for blood that the wolf does not notice the razor-sharp sting of the naked blade on his own tongue, nor does he recognize the instant at which his insatiable thirst is being satisfied by his OWN warm blood. His carnivorous appetite just craves more—until the dawn finds him dead in the snow!"

It was not the Eskimo but the PL who killed the PL.

Dirty Ernie
10-13-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm more than happy to let the court of public opinion be the deck of cards that decides the "winner" of this exchange on the river.

Wishing well...

Well since GR has made me the "Decider", hmmm...let's see....(in my best Harry Caray voice)

CHICK'S WIN!! CHICK'S WIN!!

Thread Over, Have a safe drive home.

Elvia
10-13-2009, 10:40 PM
Geeze...how many times do I have to say it...



We're all wondering the exact same thing.

laurcon
10-14-2009, 12:33 AM
i'm addicted to yoga and whole-grain. i might be exploited while buying such products, but hey, its worth it to me. i'll gladly pay anything for my health. just like some will gladly pay anything for their short-term pleasure. luckily their is no monopoly on either strip clubs or yoga, any consenting adult can do it, so we're safe!! :grouphug:

laurcon
10-14-2009, 12:40 AM
I have two credit cards and two debit cards and can get $2,100 a day. :male:
lmao, sorry i forgot about having multiple cards and using your lame limit to the max. i'm used to guys either having the cash already somehow, which surprises me when it get ridiculous sometimes, or putting it all on the amex. although not as much corporate cards as we used to see :'(

laurcon
10-14-2009, 12:46 AM
Ok, perception is an individual experience but please understand that where I am sitting MY perception is that no one has successfully poked a hole in the argument represented by the single question I won't repeat because it gets a few people's knickers in a twist when I do. That's why I can say with confidence I am perfectly willing to let anyone coming along with an interest read and decide for themselves.

You only have my word on this but if I saw a point that poked a hole in my argument I would simply say, "Good going." and move on.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
man. i'm sorry to be like GR and post 3 responses in a row instead of multi-quoting but... come on, really?! its like, why do GR and cyril think that there are these "mystery readers" out there reading these threads and agreeing with them but too scared to post as such? :confused:

chris91
10-14-2009, 01:12 AM
Yeah, its funny. Says way more about her than it does about me though. Getting rude like that almost always says more about the person getting rude than one the rude person is trying to put down.

Yeah yeah, I'm a huge bitch because I am not constantly "wishing well" to people who regularly insult the intelligence of everyone on this board. :'(

BOO HOO. Vague spineless rudeness is still rude.

Elvia
10-14-2009, 01:14 AM
Vague spineless rudeness is still rude.

Very true.

chris91
10-14-2009, 01:19 AM
So "the question", which I am sorry no one has put a hole in it yet:

"Do I want someone to do to me what I am about to do to this person?"

If the answer is no then justify how its right to do it?


The thing of it seems to be that few people here want to admit they don't ask this question of themselves because they don't want to answer it.

You may choose to ignore the responses, but they will continue to exist. If you read through the thread again, you will find all of the answers to your stupid condescending questions. You may also come across this key question, which you have repeatedly ignored in favor of crying about being called out as a douche:

Why do you think that we need you to tell us about the golden rule? Do you think that we are all stupid?

bem401
10-14-2009, 05:40 AM
The guys who spend that much on me aren't mortgaging their houses to do it. ::)

My point was, if you knew they were, would it matter or make a difference?

bem401
10-14-2009, 05:53 AM
That is only because they were good friends. Tony bled his store dry after beating him; it was nothing personal the guy still wanted Tony to go to Colorado with him after he lost his family.

Yo, it's only business.

So Tony's the dancer, his friend the clueless PL. But we all remember that Tony did try to get him to consider the ramifications of what he was doing. And if I remember correctly, it was Christopher who extended him most of the credit.

JayATee
10-14-2009, 07:24 AM
My point was, if you knew they were, would it matter or make a difference?

Your point is moot.

bem401
10-14-2009, 07:41 AM
Your point is moot.

Humor me, the question is theoretical.