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Phil-W
10-16-2009, 01:59 PM
Hmm...

In Wednesday night's footbal match where England played Belarus, David Beckham won the man of the match award after coming on as a substitute and only playing for 30 minutes.

The England Manager, Fabio Capello, promptly compared this feat to Obama winning the Nobel Prize.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/international/worldcup/6330788/England-v-Belarus-Fabio-Capello-scoffs-at-David-Beckhams-Barack-Obama-prize.html

Phil.

ArmySGT.
10-16-2009, 03:00 PM
Worst I was gonna say Jimmy Carter. Did nothing, I can remember as a kid the oil crisis then.

Bill Clinton, for entangling us in UN programs and giving up US sovereignty in OUR national parks. Look up world heritage sites to find out more your self. Oh and the stupid assault weapons ban that did nothing but punish the law abiding. Oh yeah and all the technology scandals that jump started the chinese space / ballistic missile programs.

Bush, well I will bash him for not being more protectionist, allowing greater ownership of US companies by foreigners, increasing the H1B visas, and lowering tarrifs. As for Iraq, I would have done in Afghanistan, and Iran first; but still would have toppled Saddam even if it was just a CIA agent the put a .22 to his head.

Obama, well start reading about Zimbabwe and hyper inflation. Buy gold and keep it in a safe at home. Because if we keep printing money like we are, and the Federal Reserve ( a private bank, not a .gov) keeps refusing an audit.

Well let me say, you would be one lucky mother fucker to have a garden, some chickens and rabbits in the coming years.

eagle2
10-16-2009, 09:00 PM
Agreed. Bush wasn't a terrible president. I don't listen to the press too much, I try to read and make my own decisions, but I also don't devote as much time as I should to educating myself when it comes to politics.

Terrible = Bill Clinton. Worst president I can think of. And now Obama is seeking the title lmao.

How do you see Bill Clinton as being the worst president you can think of, and Bush not being a terrible president? For the most part, we had 8 years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton. We had the largest peace time economic expansion in history. We had budget surpluses.

Under Bush, we've had the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the worst attack on American soil by foreigners in our history, the worst response to a natural disaster in our history, two wars that went very badly. In Afghanistan, Bush snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by not allocating enough resources to the war. He ran our national debt up to $11 trillion. I don't see how anyone can see his presidency as anything other than a failure.

erotictonic
10-16-2009, 11:40 PM
How do you see Bill Clinton as being the worst president you can think of, and Bush not being a terrible president? For the most part, we had 8 years of peace and prosperity under Bill Clinton. We had the largest peace time economic expansion in history. We had budget surpluses.

Under Bush, we've had the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the worst attack on American soil by foreigners in our history, the worst response to a natural disaster in our history, two wars that went very badly. In Afghanistan, Bush snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by not allocating enough resources to the war. He ran our national debt up to $11 trillion. I don't see how anyone can see his presidency as anything other than a failure.

Delve deeper under the covers.

hockeybobby
10-17-2009, 07:46 AM
Carter is easily the most respected former President (in Canada) for his humanitarianism. Obama will likely eclipse his popularity here. Directing taxes toward caring for the citizens in trouble, and reaching out to former enemies, or otherwise encouraging peace, are commendable initiatives. Funny that you would think you need to head to your forts in the hills with guns, water, gold and food.

My Dad was the same way when Obama got elected. He was all "well I may have to move to Canada now that we've elected this socialist/liberal". I was like "Dad, what do you think we are here?".

You Americans are a curious people.

bem401
10-17-2009, 03:23 PM
Carter is easily the most respected former President (in Canada) for his humanitarianism. Obama will likely eclipse his popularity here.

Gee, I grew up thinking you Canadians like America. Carter was a joke while he was in office, though his Habitat for Humanity efforts since then are admirable. If Obama stays on his current course, he may very well be the scourge of the country by the time he's done ( hopefully in 3 years). I'm not saying Bush was good ( he wasn't) but he wasn't nearly as bad as the mainstream media portrayed him and Obama is talking many of Bush's errors and putting them on steroids. .

Mr Hyde
10-17-2009, 03:32 PM
Carter is easily the most respected former President (in Canada) for his humanitarianism. Obama will likely eclipse his popularity here. Directing taxes toward caring for the citizens in trouble, and reaching out to former enemies, or otherwise encouraging peace, are commendable initiatives. Funny that you would think you need to head to your forts in the hills with guns, water, gold and food.

My Dad was the same way when Obama got elected. He was all "well I may have to move to Canada now that we've elected this socialist/liberal". I was like "Dad, what do you think we are here?".

You Americans are a curious people.

I mean no offense by this, but Canada is America Lite. It's America with 20% fewer calories. Why don't you all just join the US? We could have a big welcome to the country party and then go invade some third world arab country and drill out all of their oil. You all could have it to heat up the snowmobiles that we take out on our baby seal hunts.

(for those with no sense of humor, that was a joke)

eagle2
10-18-2009, 12:00 AM
Delve deeper under the covers.

and what have you found from delving deeper?

Earl_the_Pearl
10-18-2009, 12:19 AM
I mean no offense by this, but Canada is America Lite. It's America with 20% fewer calories. Why don't you all just join the US? We could have a big welcome to the country party and then go invade some third world arab country and drill out all of their oil. You all could have it to heat up the snowmobiles that we take out on our baby seal hunts.

(for those with no sense of humor, that was a joke)


Canadians are nothing but trouble I tell ya'. Didn't you notice the way their the whole top of their head moves when they talk?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UeKh49PybMc/SeQZAFREtDI/AAAAAAAACrs/rt6b2VcqMA8/s400/t+and+p.jpg

Almost Jaded
10-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Bill Clinton capitalized on the foundations laid by his predecessors, while creating policy that undermined the fabric of the country on a fundamental level, ESPECIALLY o nan international level. And don't give that "Europeans loved him" and whatnot, I mean the PEOPLE around the world who were actually affected by what went on under his watch, not the academics and aristocracy.

Bush took the pile of shit that Clinton created and mishandled it horribly, while passing a few bad ones as well.

Obama is making the destruction of the U.S. an art form, and he's amazing. If you see what he's doing for what it is and approve, you're anti-American in a very literal sense insofar and you want to see this nation collapse. If you approve of what he's doing and want to see the U.S. thrive and improve, you don't really know what he's doing. And globally? He's fronting an agenda that helps nobody but the investment class in the long run, while essentially eliminating the middle class as we in the U.S. know it.

And I don't think the series of events laid out above are a coincidence.

hockeybobby
10-19-2009, 03:46 PM
And I don't think the series of events laid out above are a coincidence.

Conspiracy?

Almost Jaded
10-19-2009, 04:40 PM
Not my style, or at least never has been. Lately... Well, too many dots are starting connect. :(

Earl_the_Pearl
10-19-2009, 04:54 PM
Well, too many dots are starting connect. :(


http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/blg_blame_canada.jpg (http://steynian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/blg_blame_canada.jpg)

Cyril
10-21-2009, 08:38 PM
..."Why not try to pray or meditate when you feel irritated? Irritation is a vice." . So is hypocrisy.

...and bush failed to complete it under his watch thus Obama inherited the right 'to wrap up our involvement' as was properly stated.

You are assuming that I did not pray or meditate after feeling annoyed. Calling a noble person hypocrite is very dishonest.

WiseGuy_TX
10-21-2009, 08:49 PM
You are assuming that I did not pray or meditate after feeling annoyed. Calling a noble person hypocrite is very dishonest....calling yourself noble is very dishonest.

Cyril
10-21-2009, 09:02 PM
Obama is a good orator, which does not mean he is extra ordinarily intelligent. I am not impressed with him. He got the cool act down good; I will give him credit for that. But he lacks clear understanding of outstanding global issues.

Allow me to give you an example:
China currently holds well over trillion dollars worth of US currency. This trend of using Chinese labor to support decadent life style in US was started by Bill Clinton. When Bush was in the office, he realized that we cannot allow this deficit to continue to build. As a result, he was not inclined to kiss China's ass. The worst thing that could have happened was we would have to supply the Wall Mart with our own labor. We can certainly use some hard work in this country. Anyhow, Obama is back to Clinton era policy; meaning keep printing more dollar bills for Chinese so that they can continue to supply goods for our Wall Marts. Obama has to ask himself if things continue down this path then one day China will have more dollar bills than US ( or, at least enough to cause concerns). China has already pressured Obama for lifting sanctions that will allow China to purchase sensitive technologies from USA. Is it a sensible policy to sell China sensitive technologies? I think not.

eagle2
10-21-2009, 09:11 PM
It was under George W Bush that the US became dependent on China to finance the trillions of dollars of debt Bush was running up.

Almost Jaded
10-22-2009, 12:41 PM
You are both correct; Billy opened the barn doors, GW didn't close them and in fact opened them wider.

Obama however, is now in the barn with an airhorn and a cattle prod.

Cyril
10-22-2009, 04:05 PM
...calling yourself noble is very dishonest.

It will only be dishonest if it were not true.

Cyril
10-22-2009, 04:32 PM
We need to seriously revamp our thinking in this country. People have formed a very misinformed notion on what is money.

Money is a direct result of our labor that we invest in producing goods or services or both. That is it. There is no magic money. But the problem is more and more people have become convinced that they do not need to work to make money. People are trying to make money from the money. Snake oil salesmen tell them that they do not need to work hard. Instead, they can play with stock market and become rich. This tendency has resulted in lack of desire among bulk of populace to work hard. That is why manufacturing jobs have moved away from USA. No one wants to work in the factory.

Today dollar is being valued by some countries like China but in absence of a strong US domestic economy to back the dollar, its value will continue to decline. Dollar will be meaning less if we no longer have strong agriculture, manufacturing, service and finance sector to back it up. Manufacturing is disappearing from USA. Finance is in turmoil. Service sector is already beginning to take the hit. Next it will be the agriculture, the very foundation of any economy.

Obama should get on the podium and tell people get off your ass and work. Our salvation lies in putting 40 hours per week, not China. I am truly disappointed in his leadership.

hockeybobby
10-22-2009, 04:39 PM
Obama however, is now in the barn with an airhorn and a cattle prod.

...and a Nobel peace prize.

Cyril
10-22-2009, 04:46 PM
Winning Nobel prize is not an accomplishment. Because, the Nobel committee is biased and is agenda prone.

Here is my take on why Canadians and some other European countries were pissed at Bush.

When US was hit on 911, Bush reminded NATO members of their treaty bound obligation. The result was NATO members had to cough up troops for Operation Enduring Freedom that marked the start of war against Taliban / Al Queda in Afghanistan.

Many of the NATO members contributed troops grudgingly and these members have placed their hope in Obama for ending the war in Afghanistan prematurely. But I doubt any US president can walk out of Afghanistan without defeating Taliban / Al Queda. The matters have become even more complex, with Pakistan as another player in the game. Today, bulk of Taliban / Al Queda hides in the areas of Pakistan which border with Afghanistan. So, the war will only expand in near future unless Obama decides to override US security interests.

WiseGuy_TX
10-22-2009, 04:51 PM
It will only be dishonest if it were not true....1+1=2

Almost Jaded
10-22-2009, 05:00 PM
...and a nobel peace prize.

roflmao!

Cyril
10-22-2009, 05:11 PM
...1+1=2

1 + 1 also equals 3 - 1

hockeybobby
10-22-2009, 05:38 PM
Winning Nobel prize is not an accomplishment. Because, the Nobel committee is biased and is agenda prone.

Here is my take on why Canadians and some other European countries were pissed at Bush.

When US was hit on 911, Bush reminded NATO members of their treaty bound obligation. The result was NATO members had to cough up troops for Operation Enduring Freedom that marked the start of war against Taliban / Al Queda in Afghanistan.

Many of the NATO members contributed troops grudgingly and these members have placed their hope in Obama for ending the war in Afghanistan prematurely. But I doubt any US president can walk out of Afghanistan without defeating Taliban / Al Queda. The matters have become even more complex, with Pakistan as another player in the game. Today, bulk of Taliban / Al Queda hides in the areas of Pakistan which border with Afghanistan. So, the war will only expand in near future unless Obama decides to override US security interests.

Aren't you forgetting that whole Iraq thing? I can't speak for all Canadians of course (nor Europeans), but my sense was that we stood proudly beside America during and after 911. Even as we were being blamed for allowing terrorists to use our country to enter the States (untrue & unfair). We willingly sent our troops to Afghanistan, where they remain today in harm's way. We will be there in some capacity for many years helping them rebuild their country.

The "Coalition of the Willing" was another matter. We chose not to participate in Iraq, after careful deliberation. It was a difficult decision for our leaders to make. But you can be damn sure if Iraq had attacked the U.S. we'd have mobilized and come to your aide.

Not all Canadians are "pissed" with Bush...some, to be sure. So what? That's no reason to be so cynical and contemptuous of faithful friends and allies.

Almost Jaded
10-23-2009, 12:40 AM
Thank you Cyril, earlier in this thread I was seen to agree with you, and it was really bothering me. You have now sufficiently made an ass of yourself that I may comfortably say our views are completely diverged again, and the world is normal again.

Regardless of what anyone thinks or feels about past administrations, wars, policies, or whatever, it won't take long for everyone to see Obama for what he is. Too bad it will take so many until it's too late. If the bleeding could be stopped very soon - like, under 12 months, it MIGHT be reversible. But that won't happen, because he's got all the apathetic blind ignorant people fooled, and somehow all the academics and armchair aristocrats, too. I cannot see how anyone who pays attention to anything besides the mass media can think anything positive of this guy, regardless of where you're from - unless you're completely anti-U.S. and WANT to see this nation collapse. :(

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 08:55 AM
Thank you Cyril, earlier in this thread I was seen to agree with you, and it was really bothering me. You have now sufficiently made an ass of yourself that I may comfortably say our views are completely diverged again, and the world is normal again.

Regardless of what anyone thinks or feels about past administrations, wars, policies, or whatever, it won't take long for everyone to see Obama for what he is. Too bad it will take so many until it's too late. If the bleeding could be stopped very soon - like, under 12 months, it MIGHT be reversible. But that won't happen, because he's got all the apathetic blind ignorant people fooled, and somehow all the academics and armchair aristocrats, too. I cannot see how anyone who pays attention to anything besides the mass media can think anything positive of this guy, regardless of where you're from - unless you're completely anti-U.S. and WANT to see this nation collapse. :(

In terms of the Nobel Peace Prize, I see Obama, as the panel who chose him did, as an influential man of peace. Nothing more or less. Martin L. King, Gorbachev, Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tutu, etc., couldn't cure all the ills of the world any more than Obama can. It's an honour given to promote, encourage, highlight, and otherwise call attention to the desire we all have for peace in the world.

Jaded, I don't know what media you pay attention to, and I don't care. You have an overwhelmingly negative opinion of the man and his policies. Fine. I don't. I'm not apathetic, blind, ignorant, or foolish either....nor am I anti-U.S. It seems that you condemn Obama for what you fear will happen in the future. I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, and judge his overall effectiveness later with the benefit of hindsight.

Almost Jaded
10-23-2009, 10:51 AM
My strength in business lies in seeing opportunities and trends, openings. It's a natural extension of my lifelong ability to see connections and "feel out" consequences and outcomes in advance. My fear is based on things that have gone before, what he is and isn't doing about what has gone before, and more than anything - what he's DOING and has DONE. It is SO crystal clear to me where it's headed that I forget not everyone sees things like I do. I also forget that not everyone has the same access to information that I do.

I did not intend to call you or anyone specifically blind, ignorant, apathetic, etc. It's just that a lot of his "followers" are very much these things, and they annoy the shit out of me. No, he has fooled and continues to fool a lot of very intelligent people, too. I don't know how.

bem401
10-23-2009, 03:41 PM
It seems that you condemn Obama for what you fear will happen in the future. I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt for now, and judge his overall effectiveness later with the benefit of hindsight.

HB, they gave him the award for what they hope he does in the future. Benefit of the doubt, which you advocate employing, might not be a problem but you can't give someone a prize and figure out later if he deserved it.

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 03:55 PM
HB, they gave him the award for what they hope he does in the future. Benefit of the doubt, which you advocate employing, might not be a problem but you can't give someone a prize and figure out later if he deserved it.

Re-read my post. My comment was clearly in reference to Jaded's comments about Obama's leadership and policies.

bem401
10-23-2009, 04:11 PM
Re-read my post. My comment was clearly in reference to Jaded's comments about Obama's leadership and policies.

Shouldn't the Nobel Committee reserve judgment as you intend to do before bestowing any awards on him?

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 04:50 PM
Shouldn't the Nobel Committee reserve judgment as you intend to do before bestowing any awards on him?

I think they should do what they do, I should do what I do, and you should keep doing what you do as well...and the Universe will continue to unfold as it should.

bem401
10-23-2009, 04:53 PM
I think they should do what they do, I should do what I do, and you should keep doing what you do as well...and the Universe will continue to unfold as it should.

You're a hockey guy, let's award the Hart Trophy tonite then. Maybe even the Smythe too.

Almost Jaded
10-23-2009, 04:55 PM
She's kinda got you there, bro, lol. He was nominated within weeks of taking office, before half the shit he's said he wants to do even got SAID. It was a stacked deck and a pointless prize.

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 04:56 PM
Ok...I award the Stanley Cup to the Toronto Maple Leafs!!!

I win.




Again.

bem401
10-23-2009, 05:02 PM
Ok...I award the Stanley Cup to the Toronto Maple Leafs!!!

I win.




Again.

First off AJ, I'm not a pinkie.

Second, HB, my friends Ronnie Wilson and Brian Burke aren't appearing to threaten for Lord Stanley's Cup this year. They are both Providence guys.

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 05:09 PM
First off AJ, I'm not a pinkie.

Second, HB, my friends Ronnie Wilson and Brian Burke aren't appearing to threaten for Lord Stanley's Cup this year. They are both Providence guys.

Well, unlike you, I'm not giving up on your Providence buddies after 7 games, nor am I giving up on your President...a man of colour, elected on a visionary platform of peace and reconciliation, duly recognized by the Nobel committee.

Nothing he's done so far indicates he's giving up on his goals either, but again, he wasn't given the award for what he inevitably accomplishes. He was given the award for what he did accomplish, which is miracle enough in this man's eyes.

bem401
10-23-2009, 05:13 PM
Well, unlike you, I'm not giving up on your Providence buddies after 7 games,

I'm just reacting to an article in the local paper this week about their inauspicious start. They're both quality hockey men, but isn't Toronto kind of a hot seat hockey-wise?

As for Obama, to say I am giving up on Obama implies I once had hope for him. I didn't. I saw him for what he was a mile away.

hockeybobby
10-23-2009, 05:21 PM
I'm just reacting to an article in the local paper this week about their inauspicious start. They're both quality hockey men, but isn't Toronto kind of a hot seat hockey-wise?

As for Obama, to say I am giving up on Obama implies I once had hope for him. I didn't. I saw him for what he was a mile away.

Oh yes, there is a tremendous hubub on all the sports media.

We can agree to disagree on Obama.

bem401
10-23-2009, 05:26 PM
Oh yes, there is a tremendous hubub on all the sports media.

We can agree to disagree on Obama.

I've heard hockey in Toronto is like anything but hockey in Boston. The Bruins are definitely small potatoes press-wise when compared to the Sox, Pats, or Celts. I assume it would be the other way around in Ontario.

Regarding Obama, unlike the Nobel Committee, I'll withhold saying "I told you so" as long as possible, but i have a feeling the time to play that card is fast approaching.

Almost Jaded
10-23-2009, 09:27 PM
I have no idea what you meant about "pinkie"..? Oh - N/M, I called you "she", LOL. Sorry, dunno where I got that, lmao.

HB - we can agree to disagree on Obama, like I have to with so many people, but I'm with Bem in all his maleness - saw him before he had the nomination. And I still think he either lied to Harvard about being an immigrant or lied to us about being a born citizen. It bothers me to no end that that's never been addressed.

Cyril
10-24-2009, 08:11 AM
Well if Obama gets the health care reform passed and solve the Al Queda / Taliban problem, he is OK in my book. That is all I care. Nobel crap means nothing to me.

Almost Jaded
10-24-2009, 04:12 PM
His healthcare "reform" does nothing but "reform" the way in which a few players in teh medical industry get filthy rich. It will lower the average quality of care for the middle class, give basic coverage to the lower classes - you know, the ones that can already get medicare or caid - and help a few middle class families that can't afford it but are over the poverty line. All at the expense of the middle class taxpayer. Nothing is being done to reduce the cost of care, or the IMMENSE profits raked in by the HMO's, other insurance companies, and especially the drug companies. Nothingis being done to promote alternative medicine that has been stifled by teh FDA//AMA/Drug Company cartel for decades that could reduce the cost of care. And it opens a big, scary door for the governemt to have a say in what I can or can't eat, drink, smoke, even activities I can or can't participate in - because it might affect the cost of covering me. Think they won't o that? Really? I mean - really? Think about it.

As for the middle east - sure. He'll go apologize some more for the horrible things we did - because you know, we didn't need to be there, no reason for the U.S. to want to be there... In other words he'll validate their hatred for us. Let's see how THAT pans out. :rolleyes:

Elvia
10-24-2009, 04:37 PM
^^^ I think you're conveniently forgetting about those of us with pre-existing conditions that make it impossible for us to get affordable treatment.

Cyril
10-24-2009, 04:53 PM
His healthcare "reform" does nothing but "reform" the way in which a few players in teh medical industry get filthy rich. It will lower the average quality of care for the middle class, give basic coverage to the lower classes - you know, the ones that can already get medicare or caid - and help a few middle class families that can't afford it but are over the poverty line. All at the expense of the middle class taxpayer. Nothing is being done to reduce the cost of care, or the IMMENSE profits raked in by the HMO's, other insurance companies, and especially the drug companies. Nothingis being done to promote alternative medicine that has been stifled by teh FDA//AMA/Drug Company cartel for decades that could reduce the cost of care. And it opens a big, scary door for the governemt to have a say in what I can or can't eat, drink, smoke, even activities I can or can't participate in - because it might affect the cost of covering me. Think they won't o that? Really? I mean - really? Think about it.

As for the middle east - sure. He'll go apologize some more for the horrible things we did - because you know, we didn't need to be there, no reason for the U.S. to want to be there... In other words he'll validate their hatred for us. Let's see how THAT pans out. :rolleyes:

I think you need to stop watching Fox news too much.

Almost Jaded
10-24-2009, 06:25 PM
Healthcare needs to be reformed. People with preexisting conditions need to be covered. No argument here.

Obamacare forces those issues without addressing the real problems. Band-aid. Short term gain, long term loss, just like his economical plan and his international policy. Look up Massachusetts for an example of how a much better idea than his is already fucked up. I hope there are enough pieces of this country left to put back together whe he's done.

Cyril - I don't watch Fox, other than to see what they're saying, same as the other bullshit schilling media outlets.

Cyril
10-25-2009, 04:38 AM
One of the stupidest arguments I have heard against public health care is finger pointing towards medicare. They say look, medicare is bankrupt; it is not making any profit. And, a public health care system will become just like that.

But the point is, health care is not there to make profit. We do not expect military or police or post office to make profit for us. Because they are needed public services. So, why are we expecting medicare or health care to make profit for us?

Almost Jaded
10-25-2009, 11:59 AM
Who the fuck said anything about medicare making a profit? I used MA as an example becuase their state-run healthcare is rapidly bankrupting the state. In order to make it work, they're going to raise taxes by more than what a private healthcare premium would cost.

SAME PROBLEM WITH OBAMACARE. If you do nothing to lower the costs, than there's no way for people who couldn't afford it before to afford it now - it still gets paid. Eventually we end up paying 10% higher taxes and might as well be paying for private care. Preexisting conditions and a few other between the cracks types benefit - kinda - but the healthcare system needs to be revamped from the inside out, not the payers changed and the system laeft to operate in the same fucked up way it has been.

hockeybobby
10-25-2009, 12:33 PM
Obama didn't create this flawed healthcare system that is so ridiculously expensive, and, in spite of the huge problems he was confronted with upon taking office, he's trying to fix it...and you admit it needs fixing. You talk like he's destroyed the country, and can't ever get the pieces back together, while conveniently forgetting that the day he took his oath of office, the shit had already hit the fan. The housing bubble had burst, the banking system had collapsed, the stock market had tanked, the automotive sector had crumbled and millions were losing their jobs...AND, the country was at war.

Jaded, admit it, your mind was made up before he was elected. Nothing he can do will persuade you to support him in any way. Blaming Obama the way you do makes you look foolish.