View Full Version : How turned on is a customer supposed to get and how is one to behave?
mediocrity
10-31-2009, 05:42 PM
if she's an escort, then we don't care. we're only talking about dancers. if an escort wants to get you off from a grinding lapdance outside of the club, have fun. but you did say ATF dancer, and not ATF escort.
and it doesn't matter what someone's title is. if you're tipping them because you got off, you're not paying for "time and companionship." if you just want to hang out with her and compensate her for it, then you are.
Thank you for saying what my blind rage impairs me from saying.
laurcon
10-31-2009, 05:42 PM
That is an overly broad statement; several dancers were just arrested in a local club for exposing their breasts for a dollar; no contact with the breast was involved. They were charged with prostitution.
wow those girls really made a poor choice.
Earl_the_Pearl
10-31-2009, 05:50 PM
wow those girls really made a poor choice.
Remember I was talking about what can be considered prostitution not what a dancer does for money.
bigmarv
10-31-2009, 05:56 PM
if she's an escort, then we don't care. we're only talking about dancers. if an escort wants to get you off from a grinding lapdance outside of the club, have fun. but you did say ATF dancer, and not ATF escort.
and it doesn't matter what someone's title is. if you're tipping them because you got off, you're not paying for "time and companionship." if you just want to hang out with her and compensate her for it, then you are.
I didn't say my current ATF "dancer" was an escort. :)
mediocrity
10-31-2009, 05:57 PM
I didn't say my current ATF "dancer" was an escort. :)
So then why is dancer in quotations?
bigmarv
10-31-2009, 06:03 PM
To highlight the fact that I'm talking about dancers and not escorts, which is a whole other subject. :)
laurcon
10-31-2009, 06:17 PM
To highlight the fact that I'm talking about dancers and not escorts, which is a whole other subject. :)
so why did you bring up escorts??
bigmarv
10-31-2009, 06:22 PM
so why did you bring up escorts??
Because someone brought up prostitutes. :)
laurcon
10-31-2009, 07:13 PM
I still consider grinding men to completion on purpose prostitution.
Not if she is an Escort! Then it's just paying for her time and companionship. :)
:banghead:
she's saying that a dancer getting a guy off from grinding is performing an act of prostitution. you then say "not if she is an escort!", but your ATF dancer isn't an escort. even if she were a prostitute, it would still be an act of prostitution. this thread is about customers in SC, not men in hotels. no one else brought up escorts or prostitutes, except to maybe say if a dancer is getting paid to get you off, she's more of a prostitute than a dancer.
:banghead:
Phil-W
11-01-2009, 07:58 AM
If I were her husband I would see no difference where she masturbates men. Of course he is most likely clueless.
Where on earth did I say she masturbates men? I said she likes to briefly cause physical arousal - that is very different.
It's a game she likes to play - and far more for her amusement than mine.
Must you drag everyone down to your own level?
Phil.
SteveSmith
11-01-2009, 07:59 AM
"How turned on is a customer supposed to get"
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5608/thismuch.jpg
Ok. I'm not mad or anything but I would like to say something.
Let's call it what it is: Prostitution. I know, it's "extras"... but "extras" is prostitution. So I would say that these "dancers" who get dudes off during a dance, allow prostitution services etc are in fact not dancers, but prostitutes. Amd I get upset when I see them being championed constantly.
Some dancers are prostitutes but not all prostitutes are dancers.
Sorry I had a bad run in with one last week and it's still getting on my nerves. I almost beat the shit out of that girl.
quoted for truth.
So, you're saying all dancers are prostitutes then? Wow. That's going to go over well.
Either way, still jerking a dude off to me, even if you're using your ass cheeks.
I've seen girls jerk a guy off with their knee cap. WTF? Nasty.
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 11:24 AM
I've seen girls jerk a guy off with their knee cap. WTF? Nasty.
I've seen girls jerk a guy off with their boobs. :)
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 11:30 AM
:banghead:
she's saying that a dancer getting a guy off from grinding is performing an act of prostitution. you then say "not if she is an escort!", but your ATF dancer isn't an escort. even if she were a prostitute, it would still be an act of prostitution. this thread is about customers in SC, not men in hotels. no one else brought up escorts or prostitutes, except to maybe say if a dancer is getting paid to get you off, she's more of a prostitute than a dancer.
:banghead:
The dancer told me it was called a happy ending to a really great dance. :)
^^^ Do you want a happy ending? Go to Blockbuster and rent The Little Mermaid. There's your happy ending.
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 11:49 AM
^^^ Do you want a happy ending? Go to Blockbuster and rent The Little Mermaid. There's your happy ending.
Thanks darlin, but I personally prefer VIP. :)
bigdickrick
11-01-2009, 11:52 AM
I've seen girls jerk a guy off with their knee cap. WTF? Nasty.
What's so "nasty" about it? ::)
mediocrity
11-01-2009, 12:41 PM
The dancer told me it was called a happy ending to a really great dance. :)
You're deliberately missing the point to agitate us. Point being: she is still performing an act of prostitution.
Sometimes customer conversation makes me hate life and realise that the dudes I dance for ( yes, dance... nothing more or it's a punch in the face) think of me as subhuman like the men here do.
Ok, and you, up there. Why is it nasty? Let's see:
a) because you're performing an act of prostitution where it doesn't belong
b) because of the fact you are jerking off someone you don't know
c) there is potential for strange cum to be on you, thus being unsanitary.
God damn I am glad it's my last season.
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 01:24 PM
You're deliberately missing the point to agitate us. Point being: she is still performing an act of prostitution.
I thought prostitution was sex for money. I'm buying drinks and dances. :)
mediocrity
11-01-2009, 01:30 PM
I thought prostitution was sex for money. I'm buying drinks and dances. :)
Prostitution, to me, is sexual favours for money. Jerking you off with her ass cheeks or whatever body part, is a sexual favour, thus prostitution.
Why are you baiting me marv? What did I ever do to you?
Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 01:36 PM
Where on earth did I say she masturbates men? I said she likes to briefly cause physical arousal - that is very different.
As an example, I tend to only go into SC's to pick up dancers at the end of their shift, and one dancer is pretty well guaranteed to come over for a chat and subtly rub herself against me. When she gets the desired effect, she'll walk off and give me a big smirk over her shoulder. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it is a duck. She walks over, talks to you and rubs your erect penus. What husband could possibly mind that?
mediocrity
11-01-2009, 01:38 PM
If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it is a duck. She walks over, talks to you and rubs your erect penus. What husband could possibly mind that?
I have never in my life touched a man's penis on purpose while at work. EVER. This is FACT.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 01:54 PM
I thought prostitution was sex for money. I'm buying drinks and dances. :)
The legal wording varies from place to place as they found out in RI. It has nothing to do with ejaculation. A woman offering to show her breast for something of value with the intent of causing arousal is prostitution; it could be as little as that. That is fact not opinion.
What we have here is opinion of weather accepting money for frottage is prostitution if ejaculation does not occur.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 01:57 PM
I have never in my life touched a man's penis on purpose while at work. EVER. This is FACT.
Everything posted on this board is not about you. I was referring to a dancer in the UK.
mediocrity
11-01-2009, 02:03 PM
Everything posted on this board is not about you. I was referring to a dancer in the UK.
Well not every dancer here is like the trashy whores in Paterson but you seem to make the association 99% of the time.
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 02:07 PM
Prostitution, to me, is sexual favours for money. Jerking you off with her ass cheeks or whatever body part, is a sexual favour, thus prostitution.
Why are you baiting me marv? What did I ever do to you?
Darlin, I'm not trying to bait you and you have never done anything to me.
But to me prostitution is sex for money. I have never asked a dancer to have sex with me, but have been asked ITC to see a dancer OTC for private dances.
Phil-W
11-01-2009, 02:15 PM
Everything posted on this board is not about you. I was referring to a dancer in the UK.
No E-T-P, you were busy twisting something I said out of context. Not unusual for you....
I posted about dancers who avoided making any form of contact, and contrasted that with one who seemed to enjoy playing her own private game with me for her own personal motives.
You mangaged to twist that into prostitution.
Phil.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 02:45 PM
No E-T-P, you were busy twisting something I said out of context. Not unusual for you....
I posted about dancers who avoided making any form of contact, and contrasted that with one who seemed to enjoy playing her own private game with me for her own personal motives.
You mangaged to twist that into prostitution.
Phil.
Not at all; everyone on this board appears to define prostitution as doing just a bit more than what they do. Many say my friends are prostitutes and I disagree. That said I don't judge what is or isn't an act of prostitution. Many would say just entering a SC is an act of prostitution.
bigmarv
11-01-2009, 08:17 PM
According to Merriam-Webster, prostitution is defined as: The act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money. :)
Philly Gentleman
11-01-2009, 08:30 PM
This is an education....
PG
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Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 10:24 PM
According to Merriam-Webster, prostitution is defined as: The act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money. :)
Very nebulous and open to interpretation; if Hugh Hefner were an old guy on Social Security would he have the girl friends he has? No. So are his friends prostitutes?
yoda57us
11-02-2009, 03:10 PM
According to Merriam-Webster, prostitution is defined as: The act or practice of engaging in promiscuous sexual relations especially for money. :)
This is fascinating Marv but if you read the local statutes in most areas you will find that many (if not most) municipalities define a full contact lap dance as an act of prostitution based on the fact that genital stimulation of any sort generally qualifies. Just ask all those Tampa dancers on the "Smoking Gun" website who go busted at work for doing LD's...
There are already plenty of threads here on SW that ramble on and on about what the definition of prostitution is. Opinions generally vary depending on who you ask and what they are doing inside the club but the reality is that the law is pretty clear. Contact is allowed to exist at the discretion of the local authorities and their desire, or lack there of, to enforce the law.
bigmarv
11-04-2009, 05:29 PM
Very nebulous and open to interpretation; if Hugh Hefner were an old guy on Social Security would he have the girl friends he has? No. So are his friends prostitutes?
I suppose they could be, or his girl friends might be Sugar Babes.
bigmarv
11-04-2009, 05:35 PM
This is fascinating Marv but if you read the local statutes in most areas you will find that many (if not most) municipalities define a full contact lap dance as an act of prostitution based on the fact that genital stimulation of any sort generally qualifies. Just ask all those Tampa dancers on the "Smoking Gun" website who go busted at work for doing LD's...
There are already plenty of threads here on SW that ramble on and on about what the definition of prostitution is. Opinions generally vary depending on who you ask and what they are doing inside the club but the reality is that the law is pretty clear. Contact is allowed to exist at the discretion of the local authorities and their desire, or lack there of, to enforce the law.
Amen! And I hope the local authorities in my area keep enforcing things just the way they are. :)
chris91
11-04-2009, 05:40 PM
Very nebulous and open to interpretation; if Hugh Hefner were an old guy on Social Security would he have the girl friends he has? No. So are his friends prostitutes?
Um, yes they are. That's assuming that they have sex with him. :puke
mediocrity
11-04-2009, 05:47 PM
Um, yes they are. That's assuming that they have sex with him. :puke
Agreed, and let me correct that for you :yuck:
Cyril
11-04-2009, 08:44 PM
What's so "nasty" about it? ::)
It can be termed dangerous but indeed I too am confounded about the label - nasty.
WiseGuy_TX
11-05-2009, 05:22 AM
It can be termed dangerous but indeed I too am confounded about the label - nasty....no need to revive and harp on this negative issue. The thread has moved along past this.
Jessie_tinydancer
11-05-2009, 10:05 AM
Um, yes they are. That's assuming that they have sex with him. :puke
Threadjack.... I disagree. Heff may be old but the man stinks of success... That is sexy. He litterally changed the world and will not be forgotten for years and years to come. Call me a freak but I'd do him for free.
chris91
11-14-2009, 10:51 PM
Agreed, and let me correct that for you :yuck:
How'd you do that puke smiley?
chris91
11-14-2009, 11:03 PM
Threadjack.... I disagree. Heff may be old but the man stinks of success... That is sexy. He litterally changed the world and will not be forgotten for years and years to come. Call me a freak but I'd do him for free.
IMO success is not so sexy that I would lie underneath 170 pounds of sagging skin and rickety bones. Nothing is. That said, if he does it for you and you fuck him for free, then you're not a prostitute, but I have a really hard time believing that his "girlfriends" feel the way that you do.
Jessie_tinydancer
11-15-2009, 12:55 AM
^^ LOL fair enough for you. I'm just saying, I'm not shallow at all when it comes to men or women. I mean of course I love hot people, but some people like me appreciate people beyond their physical self. Sexy comes in many forms. What changes when you get older? I'll be old and wrinkly too one day. I hope someone will still want to shag me. I'm not saying I go out there looking for 80 year olds to shag. But I think Heff is a one-of-a-kind type of man. I've studied a lot about him and his life. He is fascinating. If I can think so, I'm sure there are a number of hotties out there who wouldn't be using him.
I watched Girls Next Door all the time and I have to say that it was pretty obvious that Holly Maddison was genuinely in love with Heff, not for his money. If she had her own way, all the GF's would be out of the house and it would just be the two of them. I do think some of them are obviously in it for their careers. But Heff is a smart, generous, hard working and very kind guy from all the footage I've ever seen.
chris91
11-15-2009, 02:24 AM
^^I don't think it's shallow to rule someone out as a lover because he isn't physically attractive. I mean, personality can blind me to things like crooked teeth or a pot belly, but if a dude fills my entire field of vision with his fat rolls, then it doesn't matter how many hilarious jokes he cracks. He'll forever be my friend.
I watched the show too, but I read Holly's attitude as something more akin to Stockholm syndrome than genuine affection. Not that I can read minds or anything, but she did say some things about how her self esteem was damaged by Hefner's expectation that she fit into his barbie doll mold. It's not like these girls met him, got to know him, and fell in love over time either. He moves them into his house like furniture. The whole thing is bizarre, and I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a psychologist who could call it healthy with a straight face.
Christyismyalias
11-15-2009, 04:04 AM
As Elvia said, we are not "excited" by anything that you do, other than giving us money. I will say that I find it creepy when guy stare directly at my face for long periods of time.
I would much more prefer to have my face looked at then my crotch. I don't mind just as long as it isn't staring straight into my eyes the entire time like a psycho.
I just really hate the "gyno" guys... They act like they are examning the damn thing, it's so gross..
Overall, just be RESPECTFUL and try to have a good time. Take it for what it is and don't try to give us a hard time. Just have fun and oh yeah, be respectful :)
Christyismyalias
11-15-2009, 04:15 AM
If you don't want to see the genie, you DON'T RUB THE MAGIC LAMP! I'm sure the guys that Elvia is so disgusted by were not merely observing her dancing from a distance. If a dancer is grinding upon the sensitive parts of the male anatomy, which is designed to react in a certain way, why is it surprising, disgusting, and inappropriate when that body reacts in the way it was designed? Unless the customer has exposed himself and is flagrantly beating it in the club, I see no reason to be so annoyed.
I work in a no grinding club, and thank GOD for this, b/c of this whole boner issue. I am not grinding on anything, so there should NEVER be boner situation. Period. We understand you guys get horny sometimes, but there is no reason for you to be a pervy boner guy.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-15-2009, 05:26 PM
But Heff is a smart, generous, hard working and very kind guy from all the footage I've ever seen.
He has been in the business longer than most of us have been alive. I cannot recall any of his girlfriends or wives ever saying anything bad about him. He really likes women.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-15-2009, 07:40 PM
Maybe you could learn a thing or two from him Earl.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-15-2009, 10:15 PM
Maybe you could learn a thing or two from him Earl.
Yes I can always get a pre nuptial agreement.