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J.D.
10-23-2009, 09:48 PM
Are we talking about fifteen minutes? That is it!

When I was in Oregon, I spent five months working on a project that did not go through. This is life. Things like this happens. But if you are a good person, forces of Karma will help you. So, it is important to keep our composure even when things are not going our way; this is the only way to succeed. By being petty and mean, we lose. By being gracious and kind, we win. If we realize this simple fact on the stripper web, 99.99% of our problems will be solved.

This is a lot of time for a dancer to spend with one guy, on a busy night. If you were to walk into a busy strip club on any given night, you would be approached by at least ten girls within thirty minutes. It might not seem like much time to you, but every minutes counts for us, time is money, and I can miss out on good customers by wasting time with broke ones.

Hopper
10-24-2009, 12:12 AM
^^ I figured as much, I appeal to a different demographic than Hopper, but I wanted is personal take on it; like would he automatically discount a girl who doesn't do stage.

No. I said I would take a girl I know I like before I see her on stage. But sometimes the dance makes the difference for me. (1) clothes (even stripper clothes) can hide or change a girls features and qualities (whether nice or ugly) and (2) sometimes a girl looks more attractive when she is dancing than when she is walking. If I know I like a girl just by looking at her on the floor or speaking to her then I don't need a stage show.

carmenlove
10-24-2009, 12:17 AM
I assumed it was because because I'm an exotic dancer, and men came to strip clubs to watch women dance exotically on stages.

mediocrity
10-24-2009, 12:34 AM
No. I said I would take a girl I know I like before I see her on stage. But sometimes the dance makes the difference for me. (1) clothes (even stripper clothes) can hide or change a girls features and qualities (whether nice or ugly) and (2) sometimes a girl looks more attractive when she is dancing than when she is walking. If I know I like a girl just by looking at her on the floor or speaking to her then I don't need a stage show.

Well. I am sort of epic looking, so I guess that cancels it out

AH, drunk bus for the win.

audrey_k
10-24-2009, 07:25 AM
Cause they're cheapasses and want to see you naked without having to pay for a lap dance.

Some guys may legitimately pick girls based on their stage performance, but I think they are few and far between. Most are just cheapies.

Cyril
10-24-2009, 08:13 AM
Cause they're cheapasses and want to see you naked without having to pay for a lap dance.

Some guys may legitimately pick girls based on their stage performance, but I think they are few and far between. Most are just cheapies.

California must have gone down the toilet since I deserted it.

laurcon
10-24-2009, 11:34 AM
I assumed it was because because I'm an exotic dancer, and men came to strip clubs to watch women dance exotically on stages.

perhaps many SCs are that way, but certainly not all. i'm an entertainer and men come to my club to be entertained. many times by my dazzling conversational skills, many times by my ass ;)

JayATee
10-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Are we talking about fifteen minutes? That is it!

When I was in Oregon, I spent five months working on a project that did not go through. This is life. Things like this happens. But if you are a good person, forces of Karma will help you. So, it is important to keep our composure even when things are not going our way; this is the only way to succeed. By being petty and mean, we lose. By being gracious and kind, we win. If we realize this simple fact on the stripper web, 99.99% of our problems will be solved.

Might be life in the real world, it's not life in the SC. Which is something you wouldn't know anything about so stop talking. ::)


Well. I am sort of epic looking, so I guess that cancels it out

AH, drunk bus for the win.

Just in case I didn't love you enough... ;D

Caprica6
10-24-2009, 12:05 PM
I think too many girls find too many reasons to be offended by things. You're there to dance for guys, they're there to maybe pay you for it. Don't get pissy when one doesn't do something exactly according to how you want, because we all want different things and we all are impossible to read correctly. We don't have bubbles over our heads saying exactly what we like and don't like. The best thing any guy can do is ask. It's your job to sell your lapdances and, like it or not, doing stagework is a part of that.

I, for one, like when I am asked. It means he wants to see me and it increases the probability of him buying a dance from me. And if he doesn't come up to tip me then I don't go back to him, simple as that.

Don't label your customers as assholes until they've given you a legitimate reason to, or else you're only selling yourself short.

J.D.
10-24-2009, 12:26 PM
yeah, you're probably right. I'm just a burnt out bitch.

vmurphy252
10-24-2009, 01:10 PM
^Well, the first step is admitting it... ;D

Elvia
10-24-2009, 01:34 PM
If we realize this simple fact on the stripper web, 99.99% of our problems will be solved.

Actually, I'm pretty sure 99.99% of our problems on SW are solved when you STFU.

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
10-24-2009, 02:46 PM
I appreciate your respect for our time, but the "no thanks" before you we even open our mouths is upsetting too. Especially when the club is dead and there is no one else for us to talk to. haha! I hate it when I guy won't let me even say a few words mainly because I think most guys mis-judge me when they see me. Apparently I look "too young, too nice and innocent" and well... I'm pretty much the opposite, so anyone who talks to me or actually sees me on stage can figure that out in a minute. I respect that sometimes you just aren't attracted to someone and you can tell straight away, but I like the "I'm waiting for someone else" much better!

I don't mind the "no thanks" as long as he isn't looking down or away, and waving me off with his arm, being totally dismissive. But if there is no way its gonna happen, then I will move on, and don't mind the quick dismissal.

Hopper
10-24-2009, 06:06 PM
Cause they're cheapasses and want to see you naked without having to pay for a lap dance.

Some guys may legitimately pick girls based on their stage performance, but I think they are few and far between. Most are just cheapies.

So laurcon was right - I am a gem.

The reason why strippers dance on stage is simply that dancing is sexy. Some guys might use stage shows as a way to get free shows, but that doesn't make us all cheap-asses. The cheap-asses are just the ones who don't tip.

Hopper
10-24-2009, 06:14 PM
I think too many girls find too many reasons to be offended by things. You're there to dance for guys, they're there to maybe pay you for it. Don't get pissy when one doesn't do something exactly according to how you want, because we all want different things and we all are impossible to read correctly. We don't have bubbles over our heads saying exactly what we like and don't like. The best thing any guy can do is ask. It's your job to sell your lapdances and, like it or not, doing stagework is a part of that.

I, for one, like when I am asked. It means he wants to see me and it increases the probability of him buying a dance from me. And if he doesn't come up to tip me then I don't go back to him, simple as that.

Don't label your customers as assholes until they've given you a legitimate reason to, or else you're only selling yourself short.

Did a dancer really write this? I'm afraid to even "thank" her.

I agree - I would ask a dancer when she is going on stage because I like her and I actually want to see her on stage. I use stage shows to decide on LDs, but I would only ask a dancer when she is going on because I like her. In that case I would not want to wait untill after her show to take her for an LD, since she could be booked out by then.

stressed
10-24-2009, 07:55 PM
I dont think i have ever asked that question....unsure though.
If we have been chatting and i have made my decision, i usually buy her off stage anyway. Especially those clubs where there is 4 or 5 stages....so sick.

Although single stage clubs i normally let her go unless she asks me to buy her off.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-24-2009, 09:21 PM
I don't mind the "no thanks" as long as he isn't looking down or away, and waving me off with his arm, being totally dismissive. But if there is no way its gonna happen, then I will move on, and don't mind the quick dismissal.

Yeah I agree. I wasn't specific enough. I guess I was thinking about the customers that wave you off not ones that give the friendly, "Don't waste your time on me sweetie".

princessjas
10-26-2009, 05:08 AM
Yeah I agree. I wasn't specific enough. I guess I was thinking about the customers that wave you off not ones that give the friendly, "Don't waste your time on me sweetie".

Yep, there is definitely a difference. They can nicely tell me not to waste my time or be complete assholes about it. One doesn't bother me in the least, the other can take a mediocre night to shitty in a remarkably short time. Probably the reason this topic gets brought up time and time again.

lestat1
10-29-2009, 07:18 PM
To answer OP's question...

While I've never asked that question, I do like to either see a dancer on stage or get a lap dance on the floor before a PD/VIP. It has never been to "see her naked" first (I mean really - I can see plenty already). I have a particular style of dance I enjoy. Stage shows and lap dances are an opportunity to see if a dancer's style matches what I like.

You may give exceptional dances that customers always love, but that doesn't mean all of your coworkers do, too. They're not going to tell us this though, we have to figure it out by watching stage shows and being observant to find you. The other option is to burn through a lot of money at $40-$50 per song (where I live) looking for our next favorite.

audrey_k
10-30-2009, 07:51 AM
California must have gone down the toilet since I deserted it.

This is quite is impossible Cyril. The lack of your presence could only make SCs better, it cannot go the other way.

Cyril
10-30-2009, 06:53 PM
This is quite is impossible Cyril. The lack of your presence could only make SCs better, it cannot go the other way.

That is ridiculous. Even though California is the only place where I set my foot in the strip clubs but even there the total count of my strip club visits was less than half a dozen.

WiseGuy_TX
10-30-2009, 07:03 PM
That is ridiculous. Even though California is the only place where I set my foot in the strip clubs but even there the total count of my strip club visits was less than half a dozen....audrey_k's comment still holds true from her perspective.

Cyril
10-30-2009, 07:09 PM
...audrey_k's comment still holds true from her perspective.

It does not. Come on. Are you trying to annoy me?

WiseGuy_TX
10-30-2009, 07:26 PM
It does not. Come on. Are you trying to annoy me?...her truth is annoying you. Now go play in the traffic.

Cyril
10-30-2009, 07:31 PM
...her truth is annoying you. Now go play in the traffic.

We are talking about your post not hers. The lack of truth in your post is the topic.

Play in traffic? That is insane to say the least.

Please go play in the park; it is safer.

See this is the disconnect, I was talking about in the other thread - playing in traffic VS playing in park.

Phil-W
10-30-2009, 11:49 PM
That is ridiculous. Even though California is the only place where I set my foot in the strip clubs but even there the total count of my strip club visits was less than half a dozen.

Nice to know the basis of the expertise that makes you an expert witness on every aspect of dancing.

Phil. ::)

bigdickrick
11-01-2009, 11:54 AM
so when do you dance on the stage? I hate this. I think to myself, Why? So you can see me naked before you commit to a dance? I almost always just walk off once a guy asks this, in my experience it means he's cheap. Enlighten me people!
You answered your own question, sweetie. ;)
If you walk off, its your loss.

J.D.
11-01-2009, 12:20 PM
^^^ You're exactly the type of guy I avoid.

Caprica6
11-01-2009, 12:31 PM
In that case I would not want to wait untill after her show to take her for an LD, since she could be booked out by then.

Well that certainly brings up another point, although I'm not sure that's what you were aiming for... Sometimes a guy wants to buy dances but isn't sure if I'll have to go up on stage soon (which would interrupt our LDs) so it's best if he finds out what kind of timeframe he has. Should he buy dances now or should he wait until I'll have more time to spend with him because I'm going to be up soon?

mediocrity
11-01-2009, 12:46 PM
You answered your own question, sweetie. ;)
If you walk off, its your loss.

Wow. Another asshole of enormous, stretched out magnitude.

Don't be so patronising. Plus, no one cares about the size of your dick. Sweetie.

Cyril
11-01-2009, 05:26 PM
You answered your own question, sweetie. ;)
If you walk off, its your loss.

I would like to welcome you to our SW family. We certainly can use some clarity of thought on this forum. Welcome aboard, sir.

J.D.
11-01-2009, 05:27 PM
^^^^ Cyril is the redheaded step child of the family

Cyril
11-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Wow. Another asshole of enormous, stretched out magnitude.

Don't be so patronising. Plus, no one cares about the size of your dick. Sweetie.

There is nothing in his post that warrants you calling him 'asshole'. He is simply saying that if you walk, it is your loss. That is his take and he is entitled to it.

Cyril
11-01-2009, 05:39 PM
^^^ You're exactly the type of guy I avoid.

It still is your loss. It is you who is missing out on collecting Jackson not him.

mediocrity
11-01-2009, 05:40 PM
It still is your loss. It is you who is missing out on collecting Jackson not him.

http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/stupidity.jpg

Cyril
11-01-2009, 05:46 PM
http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/stupidity.jpg

Tell that to Texan cops next time. :)

mediocrity
11-01-2009, 05:50 PM
^^ Hey, I quit while I was ahead. :)

WiseGuy_TX
11-01-2009, 06:01 PM
It still is your loss. It is you who is missing out on collecting Jackson not him....its not her loss because she then went over to someone else to collect jacksons.;)

Everyman
11-01-2009, 06:07 PM
^^^ You're exactly the type of guy I avoid.

You avoid people who actually WANT to see you naked on stage? Just because you'd rather just skip that and go right to the lap dances?

What did you think you were signing onto when you started working in a strip club? "Naked on stage" is one of the main parts.

You can't spell "jaded" without JD.......

mediocrity
11-01-2009, 06:13 PM
^^ I think J.D. was referring to the attitude with which the statement was "said".

And it doesn't have to be. Buying offstage has significantly increased my money.

J.D.
11-01-2009, 06:14 PM
You avoid people who actually WANT to see you naked on stage? Just because you'd rather just skip that and go right to the lap dances?

What did you think you were signing onto when you started working in a strip club? "Naked on stage" is one of the main parts.

You can't spell "jaded" without JD.......

Wow, that was kind of really mean. :'(

It's just frustrating how guys like to "shop" for girls. I mean, they have these physical standards in their heads, and they just gotta see every inch of my body before deciding if they like me or not. It's totally a male thing, and it gets on my nerves. These are usually the el cheapo guys. I don't mind dancing naked on the stage at all, actually. I am exhibitionist by nature.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 06:14 PM
You answered your own question, sweetie. ;)
If you walk off, its your loss.




Don't be so patronising. Plus, no one cares about the size of your dick. Sweetie.
May I ask how penis size came to your mind? Penises rarely make an appearance during a stage show but money does. I thought he meant loss of money.

J.D.
11-01-2009, 06:15 PM
^^ I think J.D. was referring to the attitude with which the statement was "said".

And it doesn't have to be. Buying offstage has significantly increased my money.

Exactly. I really hate being called sweetie condescendingly.

J.D.
11-01-2009, 06:16 PM
May I ask how penis size came to your mind? Penises rarely make an appearance during a stage show but money does. I thought he meant loss of money.

His name is BigDickRick. And he's a big dick.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-01-2009, 06:21 PM
His name is BigDickRick. And he's a big dick.
Thank you I didn't notice. Not only are you a sweetie but you are smart.

Hopper
11-02-2009, 03:49 AM
Well that certainly brings up another point, although I'm not sure that's what you were aiming for... Sometimes a guy wants to buy dances but isn't sure if I'll have to go up on stage soon (which would interrupt our LDs) so it's best if he finds out what kind of timeframe he has. Should he buy dances now or should he wait until I'll have more time to spend with him because I'm going to be up soon?

Good point. All I was saying was that if I know I like the girl just from seeing her/meeting her on the floor, I don't want to wait for the stage dance, especially since after it she might be booked out.

Hopper
11-02-2009, 04:03 AM
Wow, that was kind of really mean. :'(

It's just frustrating how guys like to "shop" for girls. I mean, they have these physical standards in their heads, and they just gotta see every inch of my body before deciding if they like me or not. It's totally a male thing, and it gets on my nerves. These are usually the el cheapo guys. I don't mind dancing naked on the stage at all, actually. I am exhibitionist by nature.

True either a man likes your body or he doesn't, but he isn't necessarily judging you by a mental standard type. It's natural for him to want to see all parts of your body. Yes, it's a male thing. Strip clubs of course cater to male tastes. Men are there to "shop" like at any other type of business. Your body is primarily what you are selling. Personality and other assets are important, but the physical attraction has to be there.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-02-2009, 04:37 AM
It's just frustrating how guys like to "shop" for girls. I mean, they have these physical standards in their heads, and they just gotta see every inch of my body before deciding if they like me or not.
Why must you make nudity a sexual thing? I go to a clothing optional beach and it is very natural. I notice women staring but I don't mind they are just admiring a healthy body. ::)

The Third Eye
11-02-2009, 03:28 PM
Getting back to the thread topic:

If a guy asks you that, generally speaking, he's cheap. Yes you can drum up all different scenarios where that question might be appropriate, but if I were a betting man, I'd go with cheap. He probably has $40 to spend for the night and he already blew $20 getting in the door and buying a drink.

For those of you who act as if you're choosing a stripper as if she is a used car, you're a cheapskate who hasn't come to terms with it yet. The girls don't leave much to the imagination with what they are wearing. Justify it however you want, but honestly, you aren't dropping more than $30 or $40 that night.

A guy with money to spend will get what he wants (obviously within reason) and won't have to ask dumb questions to get it.

I would imagine for a stripper, it's just a numbers game. If they pursued every guy who asked "so when do you go on stage" 9 out of 10 times they aren't getting anything. So why bother trying for that 10%.

Moral of the story, don't ask that question unless you want a LD and you're worried she's up.

Laurisa
11-02-2009, 03:45 PM
This is my thought:

As a customer in a club, although I am female, I am still going there to have a sensual experience with beautiful women. (And I am completely straight). I want to make sure that I can enjoy my time at the club and walk away with a smile on my face. At the same time, I do find myself attracted to certain women over others simply because of their technique and appearance. I would definitely feel more comfortable buying a dance from someone that I saw on stage than a dancer that had randomly approached me and just offered the promise of a good dance, but I'm not saying I would never take a chance. It just seems that in this economy if you have money to spend on dancers it probably isn't a lot (for middle class Americans) so you are likely going there to have the sexiest dance possible. Even though one person may swear this dancer is "super sexy and has a great technique", I might not feel that way, and might wind up being disappointed by her large nipples and awkward swivel.

Although I understand why dancers stray away from custies who request to see them on stage first, I can still understand why they are that way. I know that being "cheap" is frowned upon by dancers, but walking into a club with $500 and spending it on the first 5 girls that walk up to you seems less interesting than selecting 5 girls over the course of 2 hours that really caught your attention. Someone in this situation could seem "cheap" if they requested to watch them on stage first, even if they had full intentions of spending all $500 on the dancers!

Just my $.02, but I'm sure my view will completely change once I start dancing! }:D