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JayATee
11-20-2009, 03:07 PM
Just because a girl can't climax from vaginal penetration, does not mean she doesn't enjoy it.
Also, its not all about physical pleasure, there are the psychological and emotional components. Maybe the girl can't climax with penetration, but she wants to feel "ravaged" by the guy. She wants him to take her, subdue her, penetrate and dominate her. She likes him "masculine" and rough. Or,... alternatively, she likes to use the power of her vagina to dominate him. She gets on top of him and uses her vagina to subdue him. There is a little bit of sado-masochism in everybody.
If she's in love with him, she want him inside of her,... it's biological.
I also ask myself this - If vaginal penetration is not pleasurable to women, why do they buy dildos and vibrators? The adult toy stores carry hundreds of them in all sizes, material and colors.
But, like JayATee said, it depends on the girl you're with. There's too many variations. The biggest mistake a guy can make is to assume that what one girl likes will be fun for another girl.
You're creeping me out a little Jack.
And also, for the record, I don't have to be in love with someone to want them to fuck me.
Fucking make sex?
LoL! :D
jack0177057
11-20-2009, 04:15 PM
And also, for the record, I don't have to be in love with someone to want them to fuck me.
I offered that as one of three alternatives -
Reasons for Penetration (other than physical pleasure):
(A) Girl wants to be fucked (submission),
(B) Girl wants to do the fucking (domination), and
(C) Girl wants the guy she loves inside her (romantic).
These are psychological pleasure factors, as opposed to tactile pleasure factors. (E.g., rough sex can actually hurt a little physically, but psychologically, it is very gratifying to some.)
I think you've made it clear which girl you are...}:D Not (C).
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-20-2009, 06:19 PM
I offered that as one of three alternatives -
Reasons for Penetration (other than physical pleasure):
(A) Girl wants to be fucked (submission),
(B) Girl wants to do the fucking (domination), and
(C) Girl wants the guy she loves inside her (romantic).
(D) Girl isn't in love, but wants a mutually enjoyable sexual experience that doesn't involve dominance nor submission.
How did you not think of that? Isn't that what most fuck buddies do? Most people are pretty vanilla.
I get really skeeved out by the term "inside of me" "inside of her", whatever. It just sounds gross.
jack0177057
11-20-2009, 07:46 PM
(D) Girl isn't in love, but wants a mutually enjoyable sexual experience that doesn't involve dominance nor submission.
How did you not think of that?
I said these categories include reasons for penetration other than physical pleasure. Like, if a girl doesn't get much actual tactile pleasure from penetration (i.e., all her pleasure sensitivity is concentrated on her clit), but still wants penetration for these other reasons.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-20-2009, 08:11 PM
I said these categories include reasons for penetration other than physical pleasure. Like, if a girl doesn't get much actual tactile pleasure from penetration (i.e., all her pleasure sensitivity is concentrated on her clit), but still wants penetration for these other reasons.
Hmmm, I guess I just don't get it. What do you mean by tactile pleasure?
jack0177057
11-20-2009, 10:53 PM
Hmmm, I guess I just don't get it. What do you mean by tactile pleasure?
By "tactile pleasure" I mean actual sensual and physical pleasure, i.e. something that really feels good to the senses, like rubbing your clit (for most girls, not all).
On the other hand, if you give a guy a blow job, it is not really physically pleasurable to have his penis in your mouth, but it feels like a sexy and submissive thing to do, so you get some kind of psychological or emotional pleasure from doing it. (Maybe a better word is arousal.) It is a mind thing (submission or domination), as opposed to a sensation thing.
I'm saying that if a girl does not orgasm from vaginal penetration and has little sensitivity on the inside of her vagina, she might still get mental pleasure (i.e., psychological or emotional pleasure and arousal) from penetration because of her feeling of submission, domination or romance.
Not every psycological component of sex boils down to submission or dominance.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-21-2009, 01:57 PM
I guess, what I don't get, is that many women feel a complete utter lack of sensation inside the vagina. In order to get in/out, in/out, you need to be around the outside of the vagina, which is full of nerve endings and erectile tissue, especially around the labias.
Penetration feels good just to feel good, for more women than not. Its just often not the mechanism to deliver the type of orgasm that is equivalent to the male orgasm.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-21-2009, 04:13 PM
I offered that as one of three alternatives -
Reasons for Penetration (other than physical pleasure):
(A) Girl wants to be fucked (submission),
(B) Girl wants to do the fucking (domination), and
(C) Girl wants the guy she loves inside her (romantic).
(D) Girl wants to have a baby. :ouch:
laurcon
11-21-2009, 04:56 PM
By "tactile pleasure" I mean actual sensual and physical pleasure, i.e. something that really feels good to the senses, like rubbing your clit (for most girls, not all).
On the other hand, if you give a guy a blow job, it is not really physically pleasurable to have his penis in your mouth, but it feels like a sexy and submissive thing to do, so you get some kind of psychological or emotional pleasure from doing it. (Maybe a better word is arousal.) It is a mind thing (submission or domination), as opposed to a sensation thing.
I'm saying that if a girl does not orgasm from vaginal penetration and has little sensitivity on the inside of her vagina, she might still get mental pleasure (i.e., psychological or emotional pleasure and arousal) from penetration because of her feeling of submission, domination or romance.
well first of all, i think many women feel very powerful when giving a blow job and not submissive. i mean, we have his most important body part in our mouths and can either give lots of pleasure or extreme pain.
and wanting to have intercourse (for those that don't just love the feeling of penis) doesn't have to be submissive or dominate. its about making the other person feel so crazy good. i know i totally get off on how much the guy is loving it. sex or head. that's probably more of an ego thing. plus i'm very very empathetic, so other people's emotions affect me deeply.
mediocrity
11-22-2009, 04:14 PM
^^ Like the song says: "I get off on you getting off on me."
jack0177057
11-23-2009, 10:45 AM
Not every psycological component of sex boils down to submission or dominance.
and wanting to have intercourse (for those that don't just love the feeling of penis) doesn't have to be submissive or dominate.
I think the motives for vaginal sex are: (1) physical/tactile pleasure (the kind that leads to orgasm), (2) domination, (3) submission, and/or (4) love/attraction.
its about making the other person feel so crazy good. i know i totally get off on how much the guy is loving it.
I think that falls under - (4) love/attraction.
that's probably more of an ego thing.
I think that falls under - (2) domination.
So, no - it doesn't have to be about submission or dominance... But, if you take away physical/tactile pleasure and take away love/attraction, then yes,... all you have left is erotic submission or dominance...
Submission or domination in the erotic sphere is not the same as submission or domination in the non-erotic sphere... In fact, most professional dominatrices cater to men in powerful socio-economic/professional roles. Psychologist have explained that these men are always in control and bossing people around, but in their sex life, they want to be dominated and bossed around (and even punished) by the dominatrix. Its an escape fantasy, letting someone else be in charge. Conversely, guys in low-status servile jobs are probably likely to be very assertive in bed to compensate. They use bedroom to validate their "power" as men. Work is crushing to their ego, so being very sexually dominant in bed is the way to restore their ego.
I am a very assertive and controlling person in my regular non-sexual life areas. But, in my erotic life, I switch back and forth between submission and domination. I love the female-on-top position where the woman assumes the dominating role. Every sexual position involves one party assuming the dominant role and the other party assuming the submissive role... (the 69 position might be the only exception to this).
laurcon
11-23-2009, 11:15 AM
^ its certainly not love/attraction. idk if you've read my posts, but i've never been in love and i never date hot men. having my ego stroked isn't dominance either. i'm not dominant over the guy because he thinks i'm so fucking amazing!
and plenty of positions involve both people moving without one person being dominant. if you're a skilled jiu-jitsui master, you can do almost anything from your back. just because some one is on top doesn't mean they're in control. i can be on top of the guy and he's still doing all the work or we can share, or i can just do it.
but i think every woman gets physical pleasure from a penis/strap-on being inserted. even if they don't cum from it, i'd say prob less that 5% if that don't enjoy it at all. so i really don't understand the point of your musings.
just because its all about submission/domination for you jack, does not make it the way it is.
laurcon
11-23-2009, 11:19 AM
I think the motives for vaginal sex are: (1) physical/tactile pleasure (the kind that leads to orgasm), (2) domination, (3) submission, and/or (4) love/attraction.
and you left out (5) money/security. ::)
jack0177057
11-23-2009, 03:37 PM
having my ego stroked isn't dominance either. i'm not dominant over the guy because he thinks i'm so fucking amazing!
So would you call that "validation", as in validation that you are sexy and fantastic in bed? Okay, I'll add that to my list.
just because its all about submission/domination for you jack, does not make it the way it is.
In my case, it's all of the above (tactile pleasure, physical attraction, submission and domination).
I get the impression that some people resist calling it "submission" or "domination" because of oversensitivity to gender politics. Maybe I should use the terms "passive" and "active" to avoid any offense.
and you left out (5) money/security. ::)
Okay, I'll incorporate your suggestions -
Motives for vaginal sex are:
(1) Physical/tactile pleasure (the kind that leads to orgasm),
(2) Girl wants to be fucked (erotic submission to her mate),
(3) Girl wants to do the fucking (erotic domination of her mate),
(4) Romantic bonding,
(5) Validation of her attractiveness and sexual appeal, and
(6) Securing money and protection (acquiring and maintaining a provider for her and her offspring).
mediocrity
11-23-2009, 03:40 PM
^^ I think the whole thing is being way overthought guys. I mean srsly.
jack0177057
11-23-2009, 04:04 PM
^^ I think the whole thing is being way overthought guys. I mean srsly.
Okay, let's go back to the original post --
"Whenever female orgasm and frigidity are discussed, a false distinction is made between the vaginal and the clitoral orgasm. Frigidity has generally been defined by men as the failure of women to have vaginal orgasms. Actually the vagina is not a highly sensitive area and is not constructed to achieve orgasm. It is the clitoris which is the center of sexual sensitivity and which is the female equivalent of the penis."
The question is this: Why have women gone along with this since the beginning of time? Why have our sexual practices been nearly 100% focused on the penis penetrating the vagina, when the clit is the center of a woman's sexual sensitivity? Is it because women have just submitted to the will of men? Why does this circumstance continue even in a post-feminist era?
Personally, I have incorporated clitoral orgasm into my sex practices, but it seems, based on the complaints in this forum, that many men do not... and the women accept that.
mediocrity
11-23-2009, 04:22 PM
^^ Reader's Digest version? Because a lot of women don't have the proverbial balls to tell their partners what gets them off.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-23-2009, 05:04 PM
The vagina isn't completely devoid of nerve endings. Its just that the anterior walls aren't rich with erectile tissue, that is designed to send a signal to the brain's pleasure center which initiates tactile orgasm. But one definitely feels quite a bit in there..pleasure and pain. For example, my partner is very well endowed, and I have to position him and myself in certain ways during intercourse so he doesn't ram my cervix or the sides...this definitely feels like something, pain.
However, the sensation of intercourse is very strong and very pleasurable. Its just that its not the right type of "tissue" to lead to orgasm. Some women are built in ways that the penetrative movements themselves CAN lead to orgasms, for a myriad of reasons.
Hell, read some of the responses to the threads from women who can orgasm internally, even they have various mechanisms.
I just think you need another category, Jack, and I'll be happy. Or, it can be a subcategory, like this one:
(1) Physical/tactile pleasure (the kind that leads to orgasm)
(1a) Physical pleasure that doesn't have to orgasm and doesn't matter
EITHER WAY, I STILL THINK THE BOYS ARE MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT HERE!!!!
jack0177057
11-23-2009, 07:17 PM
I just think you need another category, Jack, and I'll be happy. Or, it can be a subcategory, like this one:
(1) Physical/tactile pleasure (the kind that leads to orgasm)
(1a) Physical pleasure that doesn't have to orgasm and doesn't matter
EITHER WAY, I STILL THINK THE BOYS ARE MISSING THE ENTIRE POINT HERE!!!!
Okay, I get it... I'll accept your category to make you happy.
Vagina = some pleasure, but not orgasm
Clit = a lot of pleasure and orgasm (in most, but not all girls)
The way my GF and I do it is like this: (1) foreplay (handjob, blowjob, erotic touching, etc.), (2) vaginal penetration, (3) pause vaginal penetration - clitoral orgasm for her, (4) resume vaginal penetration - orgasm for me.
My GF needs the vaginal penetration to reach the state of arousal where I can give her clitoral orgasm. I cannot go straight to the clit cold.
My question is - Why settle for orgasm for him, but just plain moderate pleasure (without orgasm) for her? Seems unfair and discriminatory to me. If I was in this position, i.e., orgasm for my sexual partner and just moderate pleasure (no orgasm) for me, I would protest vehemently!
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-23-2009, 08:48 PM
My question is - Why settle for orgasm for him, but just plain moderate pleasure (without orgasm) for her? Seems unfair and discriminatory to me. If I was in this position, i.e., orgasm for my sexual partner and just moderate pleasure (no orgasm) for me, I would protest vehemently!
Sure. But sometimes a man will be in the mood to sex, and I'm not in the mood, but I want to please him, so I'll let him stick it in and bang away. Its fine for me, pleasurable, but my mind isn't where it needs to be to orgasm. Yup, I need to be mentally in the right headspace to come...the physical aspect of the orgasm isn't quite secondary, like, I need the right kind of physical stimulation. But the right thoughts have to be going through my head, or it won't happen. Conversely, I can have sex with and orgasm with a man I have zero attraction to, because of this ability. And yes, the orgasms are real, they just have absolutely nothing to do with the man I'm with. Hence I could do a very good job at paid sex...although I found that wasn't something I wanted to pursue full time.
Truth be known, I have absolutely ZERO need for a man, or another human being, to derive an equal amount of pleasure from sexual stimulation. Some say that's sad, but its not...I know exactly what works for me.
Dirty Ernie
11-23-2009, 08:49 PM
I think, in the same manner men shouldn't post about telling dancers how to do their job, Jack shouldn't pontificate on the mysteries of the pleasures and motivations of intromission.
At least until he's been pegged. :O
As for the whole vaginal orgasm thing, I'll end the discussion here. It is a myth. In fact, after years of research I've concluded that the entire notion of female orgasm is a myth. I've had women claim they were multi-orgasmic, yet after nearly several minutes of furious action by moi, they still could not produce any results to disprove my theory. And I've successfully repeated this test many times with the same results. That's the key to good science, ya know. :detective
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-23-2009, 08:53 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaw, poor Ernie, bring a bottle of vodka, many 100 dolla bills, and a fresh vibrator, I'll show you something about the female orgasm. ;)
Paris
11-23-2009, 09:30 PM
The way my GF and I do it is like this: (1) foreplay (handjob, blowjob, erotic touching, etc.), (2) vaginal penetration, (3) pause vaginal penetration - clitoral orgasm for her, (4) resume vaginal penetration - orgasm for me.
My GF needs the vaginal penetration to reach the state of arousal where I can give her clitoral orgasm. I cannot go straight to the clit cold.
This part made me lol! This thread is extremely entertaining. Sorry to threadjack, please carry on!:)
JayATee
11-23-2009, 10:34 PM
Ugh, Jack, you've officially creeped me out. With this kind of thinking Im surprised you can have sex and get off at all. Stepping out of this thread now.
Good lord. ::)
laurcon
11-24-2009, 02:26 PM
This part made me lol! This thread is extremely entertaining. Sorry to threadjack, please carry on!:)
this part made me :yuck:
mediocrity
11-24-2009, 07:26 PM
Jack, you do the same order like that every time?
I am simulatenously amused, horrified and curious how your GF would feel about knowing everu sexual encounter is a play by play.
"erotic touching"... heeheehee.
jack0177057
11-24-2009, 07:38 PM
(1) foreplay, (2) vaginal penetration, (3) pause vaginal penetration - clitoral orgasm for her, (4) resume vaginal penetration - orgasm for me.
It's a formula that I have tested many many times during the past one and a half decade - It has worked nearly every time (assuming she's in the proper state of mind).
Sure. But sometimes a man will be in the mood to sex, and I'm not in the mood, but I want to please him, so I'll let him stick it in and bang away. Its fine for me, pleasurable, but my mind isn't where it needs to be to orgasm. Yup, I need to be mentally in the right headspace to come...the physical aspect of the orgasm isn't quite secondary, like, I need the right kind of physical stimulation. But the right thoughts have to be going through my head, or it won't happen.
Yeah, that's the guy's job to get you mentally in the right headspace. That can be hard to do, because women get so distracted with other thoughts. Guys, on the other hand, can clear their mind of everything else, and focus entirely on sex.
Truth be known, I have absolutely ZERO need for a man, or another human being, to derive an equal amount of pleasure from sexual stimulation. Some say that's sad, but its not...I know exactly what works for me.
To some extent, this can be true for anybody. I've heard of women complain that their BFs are jerking off to porn, instead of having sex with them. Vibrators make it easy for women to derive sexual stimulation without the need for a man and porn makes it easy for men to derive sexual stimulation without the need for a real live woman. I don't know whether this is "sad" or just practical.
JayATee
11-24-2009, 08:12 PM
It's a formula that I have tested many many times during the past one and a half decade - It has worked nearly every time (assuming she's in the proper state of mind).
So basically, you're boring.
Yeah, that's the guy's job to get you mentally in the right headspace. That can be hard to do, because women get so distracted with other thoughts. Guys, on the other hand, can clear their mind of everything else, and focus entirely on sex.
There's so much bull shit here the words should be brown.
mediocrity
11-24-2009, 08:13 PM
I cant say as I woulde be satified wth someone rubbing the head of their cock on my junk.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-24-2009, 08:48 PM
Yeah, that's the guy's job to get you mentally in the right headspace. That can be hard to do, because women get so distracted with other thoughts. Guys, on the other hand, can clear their mind of everything else, and focus entirely on sex.
You're in a LTR man, right, decade and a half? Or is that with different women? Because as anyone in a LTR knows..sometimes, if you aren't in the mood, you just aren't in the mood, and there is nothing your partner can do. The "shiny new penny" phase of the relationship is over, and while each partner should be accomodating to the other if possible, there really isn't anything my boyfriend can tell me to make me want sex until I'm ready. Fortunately, I have a healthy drive, so even if I say no that minute, I'm up for it sooner than later.
And I don't think that men can always automatically clear their mind and be ready for sex either. At least not in my experiences. Stress, life events, and exhaustion can affect anyone.
You're starting to sound like xdamage. Please, stop, we already have one caveman apologist on the site. :)
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-24-2009, 08:52 PM
Oh, just to add another variable:
When I drink, I cannot orgasm, but I get very horny. Now, I can manage after a drink or two, but anymore than that, and it just doesn't happen. But I do love to fuck when drunk. So, there you go, a perfect example of sexual encounter where I don't need to orgasm to have a great time, and am quite pleased if my partner can. After all, I can catch up on my orgasms in the morning when I wake up sober, right?
Men's sex is just so inextricably tied to orgasm, I don't think its even possible for some of them to empathize.
I saw some because I don't want to generalize
Golden_Rule
11-24-2009, 10:07 PM
I am a G-spot girl and it takes deep penetration for me to achieve orgasm.
Actually the G-spot isn't very deep in the vaginal canal. In most women its about 2 inches or so deep on the front side of canal, best located by making a 45 degree angle from the clitoris to the inside of the canal. It is best found by reaching up and slightly in until a small bump of a slightly more rough texture than the surrounding tissue can be felt. It can be stimulated most effectively with a "come hither" motion of the index and middle or middle and ring fingers of some thoughtful person with access permissions.
Kimbre
11-25-2009, 02:31 AM
I just wanted to post this here. I know he's pretty abrasive, but I still love his work. I believe this little excerpt is probably one of of the best things he ever said. It really put a lot of stuff into perspective for me. I don't think anyone TRIES to be terrible in bed, or wants to participate in terrible sex intentionally.
“Women…if there’s something that really gets you off, makes you come…..How about FILLING US IN, HUH? How about giving us a little INFORMATION to work with?[crowd laughs and cheers]. What are we, on an Easter Egg hunt? Tell us what YOU WANT! We will DO it! Will we do it guys? [Men cheer and applaud] WE WILL DO IT! Don’t tell your sister…or your mom…or your hairdresser. We’re the ones who fuck you! Tell US! We will fucking do it!" -Sam Kinison
I firmly agree with the earliest and simplest posts in the beginning of this thread. It all boils down to communication. I don't think the myth of the vaginal orgasm is true for every woman. I do believe some women may not be congenitally programmed for that type of experience and have to experiment and try different things until they find what works best and most satisfactorily for them. Learning how to touch and be touched is probably essential to this process...
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Jack, you do the same order like that every time?
I am simulatenously amused, horrified and curious how your GF would feel about knowing everu sexual encounter is a play by play.
Obviously, this is the basic formula - the essential ingredients... But, there are a lot of other ingredients, spices and flavors added. The variety is in the sexual positions, level of aggressiveness, sex location, roleplaying, lotions, etc...
It's just like saying the formula for the male orgasm is penetration of the vagina, partial or complete withdrawal, and re-penetration; repetition of this process until ejaculation... Same order every time, right... same "play by play"?
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 10:16 AM
So basically, you're boring.
Again, I just mentioned the basic ingredients. As far as all the additional elements, spices and flavors,... each girl is different.
I girl like you,... I would give a real hard spanking,... before a brutal fuck.
MargaritaVillain
11-25-2009, 10:19 AM
Jack, you do the same order like that every time?
I am simulatenously amused, horrified and curious how your GF would feel about knowing everu sexual encounter is a play by play.
"erotic touching"... heeheehee.
Reading that made me chuckle
but, reading this made me literally laugh out loud:
I cant say as I woulde be satified wth someone rubbing the head of their cock on my junk.
This is a very entertaining thread.
It's fascinating that some contributors seem to be attempting to convince other posters what will work best for them (based on their own preferences). I don't understand that at all.
I believe that knowing what works best for yourself is the key. Since I don't have a vagina, I would never even think about trying to tell a woman how to have or improve her orgasm potential.
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 10:32 AM
You're in a LTR man, right, decade and a half? Or is that with different women? Because as anyone in a LTR knows..sometimes, if you aren't in the mood, you just aren't in the mood, and there is nothing your partner can do.
I was married for 10 years, then divorced and dated for about three years. I am in LTR now.
First of all, you take me to seriously, I'm half-kidding most of the time.
I agree, many times, you can't change the mood,... but many times, you can. Obviously, some wine or alcohol can accomplish a lot in a newer relationship. In a LTR - I find that watching a movie together can relax a woman. If she's romantic - a romantic/erotic movie + cuddling. If she's goth - a horror flick with dark humor and erotic elements + hair pulling or wrestling (I'm kidding). I'm just saying,... if I just gave up everytime my GF was "not in the mood", I'd only have sex twice a week.
And I don't think that men can always automatically clear their mind and be ready for sex either. At least not in my experiences. Stress, life events, and exhaustion can affect anyone.
Okay, I don't speak for 100% of men, but for a lot of men, sex is the best way to cope with stress, life events, and exhaustion. If I'm happy, I wan't sex. If I'm stressed out, I need sex.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-25-2009, 11:49 AM
It's fascinating that some contributors seem to be attempting to convince other posters what will work best for them (based on their own preferences). I don't understand that at all.
!
Hmmm...perhaps I am one of those. Not trying to convince anyone of anything. I just like to talk about sexy times. }:D
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-25-2009, 11:53 AM
If she's goth - a horror flick with dark humor and erotic elements + hair pulling or wrestling (I'm kidding). I'm just saying,...
Where are you kidding exactly? Why do only goth girls like this? I am very far from goth and I love all of the above things, ESPECIALLY wrestling, I love me some erotic wrastlin.
if I just gave up everytime my GF was "not in the mood", I'd only have sex twice a week.
There's nothing that makes me lose interest faster in a guy than him begging me for sex 5 nights a week. Yuck. Then again, I usually only get it 2-3 times a week because if my bf isn't in the mood, and I don't give up, we get into a fight. Male egos are very fragile...and not taking "no" for a sex answer is some kind of direct blow to their virility.
JayATee
11-25-2009, 12:16 PM
Again, I just mentioned the basic ingredients. As far as all the additional elements, spices and flavors,... each girl is different.
I girl like you,... I would give a real hard spanking,... before a brutal fuck.
Jack darling, with a girl like me you'd find yourself handcuffed and shackled to the bed so fast you could only beg for me to let you go.
I'm just saying,... if I just gave up everytime my GF was "not in the mood", I'd only have sex twice a week.
There is nothing that makes me not want it like being hounded. And oh my god, only twice a week sometimes? How dare she!
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 02:44 PM
Jack darling, with a girl like me you'd find yourself handcuffed and shackled to the bed so fast you could only beg for me to let you go.
Oh,... I like that... please go on...
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 03:04 PM
There's nothing that makes me lose interest faster in a guy than him begging me for sex 5 nights a week.
There is nothing that makes me not want it like being hounded. And oh my god, only twice a week sometimes? How dare she!
I don't beg or hound,... unless, nothing else is working...
Some people have a strong libido, don't persecute me for that. This is why sexual compatibility is critical in a relationship. A low-libido woman that feels "hounded" by my desire for her would not be a compatible partner for me. My GF's libido is not as strong as mine, but she's very accomodating, and I don't have to beg... If she's not in the mood and I can't put her there, I'll just ask nicely for a hand-job.
JayATee
11-25-2009, 04:53 PM
Oh,... I like that... please go on...
No. You wouldn't like it. That's the point. Regardless of what you think, you wouldn't have a clue what to do with me bc at the end of the day, your version of sex and my version of sex are on opposite wavelengths. You're still talking romance. The very core of what you believe sex to be is the issue here.
laurcon
11-25-2009, 05:16 PM
I don't beg or hound,... unless, nothing else is working...
Some people have a strong libido, don't persecute me for that. This is why sexual compatibility is critical in a relationship. A low-libido woman that feels "hounded" by my desire for her would not be a compatible partner for me. My GF's libido is not as strong as mine, but she's very accomodating, and I don't have to beg... If she's not in the mood and I can't put her there, I'll just ask nicely for a hand-job.
wow, made me think of this immediately...
Louis CK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmban3Fio14
its so applicable.
jack0177057
11-25-2009, 07:09 PM
No. You wouldn't like it.
How can you be so sure of that?
That's the point. Regardless of what you think, you wouldn't have a clue what to do with me bc at the end of the day, your version of sex and my version of sex are on opposite wavelengths.
Okay, I won't argue with that, but that comment requires further explanation. What is your "version of sex" and why is it opposite to mine?
I don't have just one "version of sex," I have several depending on the circumstances. I can be traditional, "vanilla" and "romantic" or I can venture out some. I have experimented with some moderate BDSM and fetishism. Nothing too insane - but, this doesn't mean I'll never try the insane shit... just saying...
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 08:05 PM
I've totally had a vaginal orgasm before. Not saying it happens all the time, but it does for my mom. She hates clit play.
We're all different.
Jack, your technique sounds good enough for me.
I can't imagine liking pain enough to diss the vanilla. But we're all different.
The pain concept sounds like more of an emotional than physical turn on. Not saying I haven't been there, but it was during a dark time in my life.
At least some guys try to give orgasms (usually a boyfriend, that's why casual just means pocket pussy to me). Just fun kinda guys just want to have their fun usually.
Myth or no myth, play with everything and something will work - if i'm relaxed enough.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-25-2009, 08:43 PM
Hehe, my mom and I are pretty close, but I've never even considered discussing the details of orgasms with her, hehe! Not that I wouldn't be willing too, mom is super sweet. Just, strange...
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 02:01 AM
My mom tells me no problem.
No clit - she hates it.
I'm glad we're weirdly close like that. Who else can u really ask?
Djoser
11-26-2009, 08:04 PM
Men's sex is just so inextricably tied to orgasm, I don't think its even possible for some of them to empathize.
I saw some because I don't want to generalize
Glad you added that. My own orgasm is pretty low on my list of sexual priorities, not that I don't like it--but I like the buildup and especially the plateau phases a lot more.
I haven't read through this whole thread, very little of it in fact, except having to delete those pictures that were everywhere all over the fucking forum for a while lol. But has anyone mentioned the G spot yet? They sure do exist, and they sure are important, and they sure aren't the same as a clitoris. Though I have noticed they are way easier to find and/or way more important with some women than others.
I do know this, he who ignores the clitoris is a fool, and will be missing out on a lot!
I know at one point the statistics indicated that only half of women could have orgasm from fucking alone, whether that has changed at all I don't know, but I would tend to doubt it. What with all the unimaginative guys, the guys with little dicks, the guys that last 60 seconds, it's hardly surprising.
As far as I can tell, what really matters is what's in your head--whether you be male or female. If a woman finds a man irresistably sexy, she can come from any number of things being done to her...