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jasmine22
11-08-2009, 02:15 AM
If you're talking about security? not true. I invite ANY girl who thinks otherwise...to change places w/or work the front door(or anywhere in the club a security dude works), and see just how "easy" it is?

I know you girls job is a tough one, but so is the bouncers...cut them some slack. If they're lazy, and dont do their fucking jobs nightly, then talk to the manager/owner about them, theyll listen.
Most security gets shit on by a club, and is often treated(and paid) like shit. They get no lunch breaks, they dont get to sit and powder their noses, and get drunk @ the bar, like so many here do.;D

Like I said, i think you girls have it too easy sometimes, and don't understand how important the bouncers job(s) is?

If they're horrible, then thats on them, not you. You have the right to not tip them if they dont do stuff for you. But, if your car gets messed w/, they dont throw someone out who's just stiffed you on a champagne/VIP room/ etc...then they're still "not doing their jobs" and are "lazy"? they cant win.

Quite a number of dancers have psycho/shitbag ex boyfriends, pimps,custies that the so called "lazy security" might have tod eal with on a nightly basis? You just never know. Should they have to deal with these idiots for free every night, and not get paid for it? No. YOU dont work for free, right? Neither do they.


I wasnt talking about the bouncers in that quote, I was talking about the dj. i shouldve clarified that. no i agree with you, the bouncers have the toughest job thats why i tip them well unless i have a horrible nite and they do help me usually. but the dj is always the minimum for me.

jasmine22
11-08-2009, 02:21 AM
If you're talking about security? not true. I invite ANY girl who thinks otherwise...to change places w/or work the front door(or anywhere in the club a security dude works), and see just how "easy" it is?

I know you girls job is a tough one, but so is the bouncers...cut them some slack. If they're lazy, and dont do their fucking jobs nightly, then talk to the manager/owner about them, theyll listen.
Most security gets shit on by a club, and is often treated(and paid) like shit. They get no lunch breaks, they dont get to sit and powder their noses, and get drunk @ the bar, like so many here do.;D

Like I said, i think you girls have it too easy sometimes, and don't understand how important the bouncers job(s) is?

If they're horrible, then thats on them, not you. You have the right to not tip them if they dont do stuff for you. But, if your car gets messed w/, they dont throw someone out who's just stiffed you on a champagne/VIP room/ etc...then they're still "not doing their jobs" and are "lazy"? they cant win.

Quite a number of dancers have psycho/shitbag ex boyfriends, pimps,custies that the so called "lazy security" might have tod eal with on a nightly basis? You just never know. Should they have to deal with these idiots for free every night, and not get paid for it? No. YOU dont work for free, right? Neither do they.


the bouncers at my club get paid min wage so pretty much they rely on our tips unfortunately
Again, @ minimum wage, how again are they supposed to support themselves, buy clothes for the job/pay for health insurance monthly/car/rent/food/etc? all on minimum wage? You ever work for minimum wage? and what was the outcome(you couldnt pay your bills right?, which is why you became a stripper?)

Just sayin.


I said unfortunately bc it is unfortunate that management is too greedy and cheap to pay them more!! they shouldnt have to just rely on our tips that should be a bonus. I was complaining about tipping the dj not the bouncers. oh and i have worked for min wage before, i know exactly how that feels. Thanks for the response, that was real nice.

BIGJosh
11-08-2009, 02:31 AM
I wasnt talking about the bouncers in that quote, I was talking about the dj. i shouldve clarified that. no i agree with you, the bouncers have the toughest job thats why i tip them well unless i have a horrible nite and they do help me usually. but the dj is always the minimum for me.

No worries my dear;D. I thought you were speaking on Dj's.....nice to see you appreciate the big dudes(though Im not one, I was using the examples as just that). Most security(if they have an IQ over 5), will be very understanding if you just cant give them what you dont have? if you have a horrible night, they understand(or should). Maybe make it up to them next time or something?

Remember this(especially you Miss Sassy Pants:D), they cant go to Walmart or TJMaxx and buy their clothes for work. They have to go to big and tall places, which is already MUCH higher than those places, meaning: They have to pay more. There are no "bouncer/security dude" stores for them to go and talk about & buy stuff relating to...ummm...security(lol). There are "technically", but not like you girls who have places like "De Ja Vu" to go to to get your stuff?

I would imagine(and Im guessing here), that quite a number of the clubs you girls work in, require security to wear some sort of nice clothing? a suit, a sport coat, slacks, and tie? even a simple "security" shirt isn't cheap these days, especially if you're a biggin."Biggin's" ALWAYS pay more.

If they(security) dont do shit, and are truely "lazy", then yes, dont tip them, or,(as a point) throw them $2 bucks and say" if I felt you did more, I'd tip more in the future". Most security dudes I know, would work extra hard for you(and everyone else) to try to get more $$$ down the road. They might not get you dances, and so forth, but they'll DEFINITELY let you "see them". Plus, most security dudes have to pool or split tips w/the other guys, so if you think they're cleaning up, chances are? they're not. They have 3-4-5+ others they have to split that $20 bucks with?

No such thing as a "$20 minimum tip" to walk a girl to her car, Ive walked many girls to their cars, for free, tips are always nice, but not required. if you feel as if you're getting stiffed, ask for a meeting @ your job, and talk about it there. Im not saying you're lying...just never heard of that, and those security dudes who act as there is? should be ashamed of themselves.

Just sayin

Djoser
11-08-2009, 04:59 AM
Those guys were assholes for demanding 20$ each from women who made only 35! that's utter bullshit...

I've seen lazy bouncers, lazy DJs, lazy managers, and lazy dancers. None of them deserve to make money. A few do anyway, but usually not.

The bouncers in my club are emphatically not lazy, they would get fired and/or the living shit kicked out of them if they were. They deserve every penny they make. But we have some rough customers, and a lot of idiots who try to stiff the women after getting dances, and also molest them. The bouncers make sure they get their fucking money, and toss the molesting fucks out on their asses instantly--so you better believe the dancers have to pay them for protecting their interest.

I am not a lazy DJ, my job is so far from being 'easy' that it is a joke to even think of it that way. I bust my fucking ass every night. It is by far the hardest job I have ever had--and I have worked every kind of job you can imagine. I would get fired instantly if I were lazy. But I don't, because the owner knows I am making him and the dancers a lot of fucking money, and we kick the ass of the club a half block down the street every night I work.

Of course I also have a policy that if a dancer doesn't make at least a hundred after tipping everyone out, I don't want a dime from her. This actually makes me a lot more in the long run. I make about half again the minimum required tipout because they appreciate what I am doing for them.

I worked in one club where tipping was entirely optional and still banked because the dancers tipped the hell out of me--when they didn't have to give me jackshit--because they knew I was busting my ass for them. Of course there were a few idiots who didn't tip at all, but after a while I stopped doing anything more than the bare minimum for them.

Like if a rich customer who was spending a lot of money on the dancers, buying a lot of drinks, etc., wanted to hear something no other dancers wanted to dance to, guess who got it when they went up? You want respect, you gotta give it. No respect, you get none in return.

But yeah sure there are clubs where the bouncers don't do shit and still demand tips, I have worked in a few like this. Just as there are fat, ugly dancers who get all bent out of shape if no one wants to tip them onstage, I've worked with quite a few of those, it never fails to amaze me.

What's really funny is when a woman who is 40 pounds overweight, and cannot dance to save her life, will start literally screaming at the customers for leaving the tiprail en masse, and me for having observed it--right after the customers tipped the hell out of dancers who work out regularly and really put on a show!

I have also seen a few bouncers who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, but still expected to get tipped. It's a weird business...

;D

J.D.
11-08-2009, 09:51 AM
fuck the police

GlitterBexie
11-08-2009, 01:44 PM
We dont tip the bouncers, its just not the done thing, they earn a wage, and they kno its in their best interests to keep the girls safe coz if they dont do their job properly then they'll lose it, coz if it wasnt safe to work in, the girls just wouldnt turn up, an with no girls, theres no strip club! I love our bouncers, theyre like daddy bears! The more the girls earn, the more the bouncers get paid coz altho they have a flat rate, they get a higher rate if we do well!

Earl_the_Pearl
11-08-2009, 02:22 PM
fuck the police


It is balloon.

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Caprica6
11-08-2009, 06:34 PM
Hey sassy pants, how about YOU take a looksy @ how much insurance is? you gonna pay it(my medical bills)if I end up throwing out one of these "grabby custies", you asked me to, and in the process, I fall and get hurt, or break my hand if "grabby custie" suddenly decides to be "Johnny Macho" and take a swing @ me?? How about if I get stabbed, or shot @? Nope. My guess is, you'll do nothing about it, nor care.


How about if I get shot at or stabbed? You think you're the only one in any real danger? Dancers get fucking stalked and followed home. They also get a special brand of shitty treatment from everyone- friends, family and complete strangers- just for being dancers. How about you? No, you get to pat yourself on the back and be everybody's hero because you keep people safe (but only if they pay you off apparently).

What if you fall and get hurt? Seriously? Generally club owners hire men who aren't complete fucking weaklings to keep people safe. I sure as hell don't want you watching my ass, least you break a nail and demand compensation for it. And what happens if a customer breaks your hand? It's called assault and they go to jail and you get money from them. What happens if I fall on stage and break my leg, however? It's all on me.

And I shouldn't have to ask you to dispose of extremely handsy customers, it's your fucking job to. Really if you don't think your job is to keep the place secure, what in the world did you think you were being hired to do besides stand in a corner looking like a big mean tough guy?

Stop extorting these women and DO YOUR JOB. Maybe if you do that we just might give you a little something in return, but that's at the dancer's discretion and should always BE at the dancer's discretion. Because maybe she didn't make jack shit that night or maybe she got fucked with a speeding ticket and a flat tire and her kid got the fucking flu and she has no health insurance to cover it and really needs that cash. Maybe she just doesn't feel like it one night? Whatever, who knows? Fuck you if you're going to demand a $20 minimum "tip" from each dancer, you cheap ass.

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-08-2009, 07:44 PM
True story. My ex got a hernia having to throw two fighting midgets out of his club. Fortunately he had a day job with health benefits. Apparently, midgets may be small, but they are very, very heavy!

Elvia
11-08-2009, 07:59 PM
I have never worked in a club where the bouncers helped anyone make money. Yes, I'm sure they're out there, but they're certainly not as common as you seem to think. Lots of us have worked with bouncers who hardly did a damn thing, but who we're expected to tip out anyway. I've worked @ several clubs where if you show the bouncers a little love monetary wise, they'll remember you, and chances are, they'll find you if a wealthy person comes in? You're getting caught up in the monetary amount...Dont. Most bouncers are happy to get $5-8 bucks from you...obviously if you can spare it? If you can't....they know, and they know if you could, you would?




2)several thousand dollars a night? Hahahaha! Come on. Not many dancers are making "several thousand a night" in this economy. We're struggling too. Sometimes we even leave work with nothing, or owing the club money. And we have a job that requires us to invest in things like beauty treatments, costumes, gym memberships, etc in order to exist in an increasingly competitive environment. That shit adds up. And we pay ever increasing stage fees to even come to work in the first place. We're independent contractors, so we pay a shitload in taxes. And-guess what? We don't health insurance either! There are still clubs where girls, SEVERAL girls make quite a bit of dough each night. What about the "bouncers" you speak of? don't they have bills too: car payments/suits/clothing(which most clubs DO NOT PAY FOR). What if they rip their clothing throwing someone out of the club for YOU one night? Do they just say "oh well"? no, that costs money, or"adds up" as you say. Like i said...How about health insurance? That trumps any"house fees/costume/makeup/etc fees you have? I worked @ a club in Detroit once where they didnt provide insurance, unless you could afford $220 a month, and even then, you had a large deductable, where is this supposed to come from?

I can assure you, that most(if not ALL), bouncers are appreciative of you or anyone who takes care of them every night? I'd be willing to bet any girl here who doesnt "tip" a bouncer......if you did, they'll remember when a big spender comes in? If they don't? approach them and say"hey, do you mind letting me know if someone w/some $$$ comes in?" Maybe you throw them a $20 spot off the bat? they'll DEFINITELY remember this, and most likely, come find you @ that time? If they don't, then they're just fucking stupid and lazy and retarded. Not trheir jobs to make the most $$$ a night. Their jobs to protect the club, it's assets(you girls), the property, themselves, etc.




If the bouncers have a beef about their wages, they need to place the blame where it belongs- on the club. Yeah, the minimum wage is not a livable wage, and that's a shameful fact of life in this country. Sucks big time, but that's not the dancers fault. We don't get paid by the club at all. It really shouldn't be our job to pay all the employees salaries in addition to paying a fee to work at the club.
You obviously have no idea how a business works and their image/outlook on security? See, a club like yours, sees security as not something important so to speak. Why do i say this? They look @ the girls bringing them in $$$, the bar doing the same, the DJ(if at all) bringing them in money, they see security? and see a big fat $0 in what they take in from them.

However, security is as vital to a club as you, the djs, and mgrs are. How so? they protect the clubs assets(meaning: if Johnny tough guy comes in and starts shit, gets tossed and then later tries to sue? the secuirty is there to prevent that from happening & if they're lying, and so forth. Security is also there to: keep you girls safe(despite you thinking their all "lazy", they're not, trust me), check ID's(if they let in a minor by accident, they could get busted, who pays these fines? Most clubs refuse to, so it's up to a bouncer to come up with x amount of dollars to do this). Walk you to your cars, make sure there are no shitbags hanging around, etc.


Again, Im not saying you have to give them some high dollar amounts, but, just as much as you girls "hate it" when a guy comes in and doesnt tip you, they "hate it" when you dont tip them, as they have far more responsibility than you all give them credit for not having.. Like I said...if one of the bouncers @ your work, happened to throw someone out for you(or anyone), and they break their hand in the process, (maybe some drunk dickwad comes in and starts a fight w/them) who pays their medical bills? Not the club...most of them time, not Workers Comp...it takes up to 60-90 days for them to pay. Who pays for all of that overpriced insurance they have? they do. So, you should throw them a few bucks each night if you can, why? you just never know. If you can, do so...if you cant, explain it to them.

IMO, I think ALOT of you girls don't know how easy you have it? Most "housefees"(despite what anyone else tells you), dont go to the apporpriate people. Know where they do go? Mgrs on duty(as "bonuses"), or the club. The club isn't dolling them out to secuirty or the dj's.....despite belief to the contrary.


Remember ALL of this when you bitch next time?

Well, you mainly just repeated what you've already said, so I guess I'll pretty much be doing a lot of the same.

You're not going get a lot of sympathy for not getting health insurance. Like I said, neither are we. And it's just laughable that you would complain to dancers that it takes too long foryou to collect your employee comp. You think the club gave me so much as a dime every time I was injured on stage? NO. I had to take time off work unpaid and pay for me medical expenses out of pocket. Nor are you going to get sympathy for having to spend money on work clothes. We all have to spend money on clothing for work and I'm pretty sure we pay a lot more than you do.

Yeah, I know how the club works thankyouverymuch and I know that the club doesn't give a fuck about you, just like they don't give a fuck about us. What I said was that that was your issue to take up with them, not my responsibility to make up for it for you and everyone else who's an actual employee of the club. I'd say it's you who doesn't know how the business works if you're convinced we're all making thousands of dollars a night.

J.D.
11-09-2009, 12:05 AM
True story. My ex got a hernia having to throw two fighting midgets out of his club.

LMAO!!!! How weird?

BIGJosh
11-09-2009, 01:00 AM
How about if I get shot at or stabbed? You think you're the only one in any real danger? Dancers get fucking stalked and followed home. They also get a special brand of shitty treatment from everyone- friends, family and complete strangers- just for being dancers. How about you? No, you get to pat yourself on the back and be everybody's hero because you keep people safe (but only if they pay you off apparently).

Thats what security is there for, to try to make sure YOU(and other girls) dont get stabbed/stalked etc. It sounds to me like you work in a club where security doesn't do a thing? You're bitter about it, and refuse to tip? no worries, Just asking. But again, why not bring it up to the mgr's on duty, or better yet: go to a different club?


What if you fall and get hurt? Seriously? Generally club owners hire men who aren't complete fucking weaklings to keep people safe. I sure as hell don't want you watching my ass, least you break a nail and demand compensation for it. And what happens if a customer breaks your hand? It's called assault and they go to jail and you get money from them. What happens if I fall on stage and break my leg, however? It's all on me.

If I happen to throw someone out of your club, and they decide they want to get physical w/me, we're wrestling each other, and i fall and get hurt in the process(maybe I cut myself open, whatever), should I do this for free? Again, are you going to pick up the tab when(or if) I need medical attention? Dont be ridiculous, of course we're not weaklings, and of course we dont "slip and fall" that easily. But, as you know, many clubs attract a bad element, these custies come in, they're intoxicated, and Susy Dancer's just ripped them off(or they felt as such), and they're mad.

Ive seen far too many girls who have walked away from these types of situations, or had a shitty/negative attitude towards it, and expected the bouncers to deal with it. Thats their job true, but dont act as if we all dont do something, because the bouncers @ your club happen to not want to work. Lots of hard working guys out there, busting their asses for you to feel "safe" and so forth.


And I shouldn't have to ask you to dispose of extremely handsy customers, it's your fucking job to. Really if you don't think your job is to keep the place secure, what in the world did you think you were being hired to do besides stand in a corner looking like a big mean tough guy?
We cant win....we have to be everywhere @ once? maybe we didnt see that person being "handsy" with you? You're the only girl who works @ your club nightly? cool, we'll only keep eyes on you, and no one else. How do we know unless you tell us, we cant be everywhere. did you ever think of that?



Stop extorting these women and DO YOUR JOB. Maybe if you do that we just might give you a little something in return, but that's at the dancer's discretion and should always BE at the dancer's discretion. Because maybe she didn't make jack shit that night or maybe she got fucked with a speeding ticket and a flat tire and her kid got the fucking flu and she has no health insurance to cover it and really needs that cash. Maybe she just doesn't feel like it one night? Whatever, who knows? Fuck you if you're going to demand a $20 minimum "tip" from each dancer, you cheap ass.


Now you're assuming Im "extorting" money from you? are you for real? did I ask you for anything? nope. again, you're blaming everyone, when everyone shouldnt be blamed for it. Apparently, the bouncers @ your club are shitbags? fine...dont tip them, I couldnt care less. I was just pointing out, that not all bouncers are "lazy" amd/or "worthless" despite what you think. I could say "all dancers(especially Miss Sassy Pants) are fucking worthless/lazy/money grubbing bitches"...did I? nope.

I agree if you're "demanding tips"(a certain amount), then, Im right there with you dear...as i pointed out, i dont agree with that either. I also said, that any "bouncer with an IQ over 5" should realize, that not every night you or the rest of the girls make tons of cash, and shouldnt expect anything from you then, or at all. Ive ALWAYS been appreciative of the tips Ive gotten, no matter how little or big they are. I understand(as they should too), if you just couldnt tip me tonight, or for 2 weeks in a row? thats how it goes sometimes. When you can, you can, if you cant, they shouldnt be bitching about it, right?

Read what i said luv...Im on your side. I said I dont think it's right they 'demand" anything from you, and that they should be ashamed of themselves.

You're pretty tough.;D

Elvia
11-09-2009, 01:17 AM
If I happen to throw someone out of your club, and they decide they want to get physical w/me, we're wrestling each other, and i fall and get hurt in the process(maybe I cut myself open, whatever), should I do this for free?



Uh, you're not doing it for free. you're doing it because it's in your job description and your employer is PAYING you to do it.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-09-2009, 02:22 AM
Uh, you're not doing it for free. you're doing it because it's in your job description and your employer is PAYING you to do it.
At minimum wage; cops in my town get $80,000.00 a year, full medical, disability and retire after 20 years with 2/3 salary. You go big guy management and strippers love you. I would want the pension though.

Djoser
11-09-2009, 06:17 AM
How about if I get shot at or stabbed? You think you're the only one in any real danger? Dancers get fucking stalked and followed home. They also get a special brand of shitty treatment from everyone- friends, family and complete strangers- just for being dancers.

Very true, though it's very dangerous for the male staff too in some clubs. I agree the stigma is worse for the women, and the risk of stalkers/sexual predators/weirdo rapist-murderer types is horrendous.

It's a risky business for everyone involved. I have lost more than one friend in the last ten years, including my best friend (another DJ) 4 years ago who was killed when they were shooting at the assistant manager (who fortunately survived). I helped throw them out, they would have shot me too but I had to go somewhere else after work. My friend was just in the wrong place at the wrong time--but directly as a result of working in an extremely rough club.

It is risky for everyone but it scares the crap out of me the danger a lot of women face, especially some of the new and naive and/or foreign women I work with. Bouncers and DJs don't generally get stalked of course (though I have had a couple semi-stalker dancers lol)

Just so you know, I have had some trouble with old friends, family, potential business contacts (I have done architectural illustration longer than DJing) maybe finding out what I do, too. Though of course they don't call me a slut, etc. But civilian women tend to shy away from dating or just assume I'm sleazy. Men look down on me, accuse me of not really working at all. Fuck 'em all, I could care less--but working in the clubs means living outside the norm for men and women both.


Fuck you if you're going to demand a $20 minimum "tip" from each dancer, you cheap ass.

It wasn't him who was doing that, he actually said that was way out of line. It was the guys at the club the OP does the books for or whatever.

Caprica6
11-09-2009, 07:01 PM
Thats what security is there for, to try to make sure YOU(and other girls) dont get stabbed/stalked etc. It sounds to me like you work in a club where security doesn't do a thing? You're bitter about it, and refuse to tip? no worries, Just asking. But again, why not bring it up to the mgr's on duty, or better yet: go to a different club?

No, actually. My club has amazing bouncers, as I've posted before- they don't demand shit and they absolutely refuse to accept tips from the dancers. They get a paycheck, we don't. Their money is guaranteed each week, ours isn't. I'm speaking in general about any bouncer who demands the dancers pay them for whatever reason. There is no good reason, just extortion.



If I happen to throw someone out of your club, and they decide they want to get physical w/me, we're wrestling each other, and i fall and get hurt in the process(maybe I cut myself open, whatever), should I do this for free? Again, are you going to pick up the tab when(or if) I need medical attention? Dont be ridiculous, of course we're not weaklings, and of course we dont "slip and fall" that easily. But, as you know, many clubs attract a bad element, these custies come in, they're intoxicated, and Susy Dancer's just ripped them off(or they felt as such), and they're mad.

Again, it's called assault. I wouldn't need to pick up your "tab" because it's paid for through settlement. Why the hell would anyone else who's indirectly involved have to pay for your medical bill? Chances are if this guy gets violent because you're throwing him out, it has nothing to do with the dancer, he just has violent tendancies and do you really fucking want that kind of person around us, or anyone for that matter?


We cant win....we have to be everywhere @ once? maybe we didnt see that person being "handsy" with you? You're the only girl who works @ your club nightly? cool, we'll only keep eyes on you, and no one else. How do we know unless you tell us, we cant be everywhere. did you ever think of that?

Are you the only fucking bouncer in your entire club or what? Generally there are enough to go around and you don't need to "be everywhere at once" just somewhere doing something productive. If a girl tips you off about a guy getting a little too touchy it's then your job to investigate and decide the best course of action. If things get out of hands call the damn cops, don't try to be Superman and handle it yourself. Nobody expects you to.


Now you're assuming Im "extorting" money from you? are you for real? did I ask you for anything? nope. again, you're blaming everyone, when everyone shouldnt be blamed for it. Apparently, the bouncers @ your club are shitbags? fine...dont tip them, I couldnt care less. I was just pointing out, that not all bouncers are "lazy" amd/or "worthless" despite what you think. I could say "all dancers(especially Miss Sassy Pants) are fucking worthless/lazy/money grubbing bitches"...did I? nope.

I'm also not talking about you personally. I'm talking in general about those who do, and you know they are out there, they're being talked about in this very thread. I don't know anything about you or what you do or how you do it.

Apologies for making it seem like I was attacking you personally. I can see how one might misinterprate that :-[

BIGJosh
11-12-2009, 03:58 AM
No, actually. My club has amazing bouncers, as I've posted before- they don't demand shit and they absolutely refuse to accept tips from the dancers. They get a paycheck, we don't. Their money is guaranteed each week, ours isn't. I'm speaking in general about any bouncer who demands the dancers pay them for whatever reason. There is no good reason, just extortion.



Which I agreed with. Yes, but their "set amount each night/week" is peanuts to what you girls, mgmnt makes.



Again, it's called assault. I wouldn't need to pick up your "tab" because it's paid for through settlement. Why the hell would anyone else who's indirectly involved have to pay for your medical bill? Chances are if this guy gets violent because you're throwing him out, it has nothing to do with the dancer, he just has violent tendancies and do you really fucking want that kind of person around us, or anyone for that matter?



What "settlement" are you speaking of? No club(at least one Ive ever worked in) has ever offered any kind of medical insurance, for security. Workers comp takes upto 60 days before you see a dime, how again am I supposed to pay MY bills? I get injured, I cant work, I cant work, my bills dont get paid.

You apparently can judge EVERY SINGLE PERSON who walks through your clubs doors? How do we know who will get violent or not? Maybe said person(s) dont get violent until they've been drinking? Im quite sure, girls have more to do with the men being assholes, than anything else? They feel as if they're being ripped off, or scammed, so who do they take it out on? the "weakling/poor/no medical insurance having" security. So, again, I(or someone else) is throwing out one of your custies some night, he gets violent, how again is that not your fault somehow?


Are you the only fucking bouncer in your entire club or what? Generally there are enough to go around and you don't need to "be everywhere at once" just somewhere doing something productive. If a girl tips you off about a guy getting a little too touchy it's then your job to investigate and decide the best course of action. If things get out of hands call the damn cops, don't try to be Superman and handle it yourself. Nobody expects you to.

Did i say I was....you assumed "all bouncers" are extortionists, and carried on as such? Im not that way. Thats part of my job though isn't it? to throw people out who may/may not agree with a fee or a charge theyve just gotten from a girl, whos there to make money, right? Thats your answer huh? "call the cops..dont try to be a hero". Sure.....that works all the time. Most people, wont wait around for the cops to show up, and certainly will try to bail on you, if the cops are "on their way". Like I said... I invite you to work as a security dude/bouncer any time, for any shift. I'd be willing to bet, you're attitude towards bouncers in general would change?




I'm also not talking about you personally. I'm talking in general about those who do, and you know they are out there, they're being talked about in this very thread. I don't know anything about you or what you do or how you do it.

Well, thats a relief. But, the way you worded it, didnt seem that way to most? you "assumed" ALL bouncers were that way? when even you cited that the bouncers @ your club weren't "extortionists"? Yet, the minute i brought up the various reasons why you SHOULD tip a bouncer? you got all butt hurt over it?



Apologies for making it seem like I was attacking you personally. I can see how one might misinterprate that :-[



Apology accepted my dear. Trust me when i tell you...our job is MUCH tougher than people give us credit for. Some might see us istting around, and think we're "lazy", but we're not, we're watching you, and others.:)

Elvia
11-12-2009, 03:33 PM
Which I agreed with. Yes, but their "set amount each night/week" is peanuts to what you girls, mgmnt makes.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to make sex worker money, be a sex worker.

chris91
11-22-2009, 02:47 AM
You ever work for minimum wage? and what was the outcome(you couldnt pay your bills right?, which is why you became a stripper?)

Just sayin.

Uh, if minimum wage is not enough for you, then maybe you should consider doing what we did and get a different job.

I cannot afford to cover insurance premiums, clothing costs, etc for a bunch of dudes who knowingly work a job that involves the possibility of having your shirt torn or head beaten in.

A tip is meant to be an expression of gratitude for someone who has gone above and beyond his basic job requirements. For security personnel, it is a basic job requirement to provide security. You are not entitled to tips for providing security. You can be grateful when you get them, but you cannot complain when you don't.

The bouncers at my club are all quite lovely, and I tip them well if they tell a dude to stop touching, send a customer my way, or if I have any kind of pleasant interaction with them at any point in the night. I do this because they are awesome guys, and I want them to stick around. If they had attitudes like yours, I would give them nothing and hope that they quit.

camille27
11-22-2009, 08:38 PM
fuck strip club bouncers. i'm not tipping anyone to walk me to my car or to ensure that i don't get strangled in the champagne room. that's fucking ridiculous.

taylormadison
11-22-2009, 08:56 PM
fuck strip club bouncers. i'm not tipping anyone to walk me to my car or to ensure that i don't get strangled in the champagne room. that's fucking ridiculous.

:rotfl::rotfl:How do you really feel but don't sugar coat it this time?


Do bouncers expect to be tipped if they tell a guy to keep his hands to himself? I haven't been doing that:-\

chris91
11-23-2009, 04:22 AM
Do bouncers expect to be tipped if they tell a guy to keep his hands to himself? I haven't been doing that:-\

They definitely don't expect it at my club. I do it anyway, because I know that they get mixed messages with the dirtier dancers getting upset if they do tell a guy to keep his hands off. I want it to be totally clear to them that I want them to interfere.

Lola_sinn
11-23-2009, 03:38 PM
$70 security shirts? Seriously? My boyfriend is a bouncer (at a regular nightclub) and he gets his shirts around the corner from the club for $10. And he wears a 2x.

And yes, I ALWAYS tip the bouncers at my club-but some get bigger tips because I know they are actually watching my back, while others get a dollar out of politeness because they act like they don't give a fuck and don't pay attention, or refuse to do anything when I ask for help.

Blazoboy
01-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Uh, you're not doing it for free. you're doing it because it's in your job description and your employer is PAYING you to do it.

Using your logic, we should pay you minimum wage and make you dance for that and only that. After all, it is in your job description and if we went to minimum wage your employer would be paying you to do it. Think what a benefit that would be for me a paying customer. My drink prices would go down and they could charge less for dances!

Seriously, a bouncer SHOULD be tipped.

No one receiving a tip has ANY RIGHT to EVER ask for a tip. Thats why its called a TIP!

hot4ablackchick
01-20-2010, 03:22 PM
Using your logic, we should pay you minimum wage and make you dance for that and only that. After all, it is in your job description and if we went to minimum wage your employer would be paying you to do it. Think what a benefit that would be for me a paying customer. My drink prices would go down and they could charge less for dances!

Seriously, a bouncer SHOULD be tipped.

No one receiving a tip has ANY RIGHT to EVER ask for a tip. Thats why its called a TIP!

There would be very few women willing to dance for minimum wage. We actually have the option to choose being an emloyee or an independent contract dancer at my club. It is outlined in our contract. Guess how many dancers have ever chose the employee option? None, because 99% of women would not dance for a guaranteed min wage salary, and you can't have a strip club without strippers now can you? If a dancer chose to strip for min wage, then that would be her choice now wouldn't it.

I really don't mind tipping a bouncer IF they are nice, are genuinely watching the club, and walk me to my car. One bouncer I did not tip because he did nothing for me and never once walked me to my car despite the tips I gave him. I don't want anything extraordinary, I just want to feel somewhat safe. I respect bouncers a lot, but I'm not going to give a bouncer a large tip unless he helped me out specifically. I always tip $5 not matter what, and if the night is really really awesome I'll tip $10, but I don't ever see myself giving more than that unless the bouncer helped me out specifically. Its not my job to pay someone else's salary, and not my problem that security is risking their safety. They knew that going in, and thats why they took the job of SECURITY.

I agree that mandatory "tips" are bullshit. If its not voluntary, then how the hell is it a tip!?

1st_samurai
01-20-2010, 06:55 PM
There would be very few women willing to dance for minimum wage. We actually have the option to choose being an emloyee or an independent contract dancer at my club. It is outlined in our contract. Guess how many dancers have ever chose the employee option? None, because 99% of women would not dance for a guaranteed min wage salary, and you can't have a strip club without strippers now can you? If a dancer chose to strip for min wage, then that would be her choice now wouldn't it.


I agree that few women would dance for minimum wage. Interesting that the club lets you decide whether you want to be employee or IC. How does that work? Do you have different rules if you choose one or the other?

I think it's not necessary for an employee to make less than an IC. It just depends how the club adjusts the employee pay, eg: bonus for extra dances performed, no house fees, and no tip outs, etc.

hot4ablackchick
01-20-2010, 09:55 PM
^^^ If you chose the empoyee option then you would be an employee, and you would be paid min wage, be told what your schedule was, be told what to wear and supplied with costumes, and have to turn over ALL lapdance money to the club. Which would mean you would turn over every lapdance and VIP sale you sold. It would be the property of the club. You MIGHT be able to keep stage tips, but that is about it. You wouldn't have to tip anyone, but tips are not mandatory at my club anyway, we can tip the DJ/bouncers whatever we want. So not only would you paid far, far, less than you could make, you would lose all the freedoms the other dancers have. No woman expects or should be making min wage if you are going to put up with the bullshit caused by dancing.

chris91
01-20-2010, 11:03 PM
Using your logic, we should pay you minimum wage and make you dance for that and only that. After all, it is in your job description and if we went to minimum wage your employer would be paying you to do it. Think what a benefit that would be for me a paying customer. My drink prices would go down and they could charge less for dances!


Yeah, that's logical. As long as you completely ignore the definition of the word logical.

Djoser
01-26-2010, 05:05 PM
The definition of 'tip' in most stripclubs is way off. It's management's way of 'passing the buck--or rather not passing it, to the bouncers and DJs. They are relying on the dancers to pay the male staff so they don't have to. The typical bouncer or DJ in the clubs I have worked in would make a lot less than minimum wage , if it weren't for the 'tips' from the dancers. Which is why in so many clubs the 'tips' are mandatory or very strongly encouraged, so that they really aren't tips at all, strictly speaking.

But the concept of tipping someone for a job well done is still effective, however, under certain circumstances. If I only got the mandatory 10$ 'tip' from every dancer I would make a lot less. Well over half voluntarily tip me 15 or 20$, or more, because I bust my ass to take care of them--so in this case I suppose the definition might still be valid to some extent.

What I find vastly amusing are the dancers who used to stiff me for tips on a regular basis (in clubs where tipping was voluntary, or in my present club before the rule was enforced), but then got all bent out of shape if the customers weren't tipping them when they went onstage. How sympathetic do you think I was to their cheap asses? ;D And guess who got the songs all the dancers were fighting over, the ones who tipped me because they knew I was busting my ass, or the ones who stiffed me regularly?

But again, the word 'tip' isn't strictly speaking valid. Just as in some clubs where the dancers will make the rounds after stage, or while onstage if the stage is the bar (as I have seen a few times), and insist each customer tips him whether he liked her onstage or not. Then it wouldn't really be a 'tip' either.

KS_Stevia
01-26-2010, 06:38 PM
But Djoser, do you also work for tips, or does the club pay you a salary?

I always tipped my DJ's at least $20! And in some cases, I would get my customers to tip them extra to, in order to keep me offstage. That way, on the ocassional bad day when I only had the $10 to tip them, it was always cool, and the relationship didn't suffer.

I like this, and have always been great buddies with my DJ's.

Djoser
01-27-2010, 04:56 AM
I bet you have! :D

If only they were all like you...

Right now I get 50$ a shift, which was knocked down from the much more appropriate 100$. After I forcefully checked the day manager when he was about to physically move on me in my own booth, trying to make me put up this ridiculous fucking chain across the door to it. But that's another story, and the owner--who is otherwise a great guy to work for--is a bit on the cheap side, and was looking for ANY excuse to knock down the base rate for ALL 3 of the DJs.

Usually the base pay will be between 40$ to 150$ (for a respected DJ--notice I said 'respected', not 'good' lol!). Truth be told I have seen a lot of DJs who didn't deserve all that much--the ones who drink and do drugs on the job, try to fuck every dancer in the club, and seem to play the right songs for the wrong girls every night. Some night I want to try that just for one night to see what it's like!

I used to bash DJs as much as any dancer on this forum, except maybe the rare ones who hated all any and all men (other than the blatant asskissers and spineless suckups we get now and then ::)).

Then I realized that I was stereotyping other DJs as much as the guys will sometimes stereotype dancers, which is of course very wrong. God knows there are bad examples of all male staff, management, owners, customers, and dancers in this crazy business. The exceptional ones tend to gravitate here, belying the stereotypes and restoring my faith, mostly lol.

africanqueen
02-03-2010, 05:43 AM
never have and never will, they get paid a decent wage for not doing very much over here in the uk so i don't think i will be parting with any of my hard earned money!

BiggCaZ
03-08-2010, 03:52 PM
HAHAHA, no. Come on. There's no shortage of guys looking to work in strip clubs. I know of one local club that had a hundred applicants within the first 2 days of advertising for a bouncer. The clubs are not exactly at the mercy of guys who want to work as bouncers. If someone refuses to do his job properly for his paycheck, there's a line of guys who happily will.

Yeah, and how many of those guys are actually going to work? I can't tell you how many guys that would apply to work at a strip club, and then run with their tails between their legs when it came time to actually deal with unruly customers even when they were unarmed.

Bouncers get paid shit, and that's even in the high end clubs. The last thing a good bouncer needs is the dancers acting like they should be grateful to put up with their shit.

mediocrity
03-08-2010, 04:13 PM
But Djoser, do you also work for tips, or does the club pay you a salary?

I always tipped my DJ's at least $20! And in some cases, I would get my customers to tip them extra to, in order to keep me offstage. That way, on the ocassional bad day when I only had the $10 to tip them, it was always cool, and the relationship didn't suffer.

I like this, and have always been great buddies with my DJ's.

Yup. I always do two extra dances after I meet my goal: one for the DJ, one for manager tip outs. Unless I have a shit night, then it's all understood, because if I have a great night, it's $40 to each.

chris91
03-09-2010, 07:45 PM
The last thing a good bouncer needs is the dancers acting like they should be grateful to put up with their shit.

And the last thing dancers need is a bunch of bouncers demanding that we give them extra money because they couldn't negotiate a higher wage with their actual employers.

camille27
03-10-2010, 02:37 AM
which is why this tipout system is so problematic. you want $20 a night so you can play a song i like that happens to be popular? i'd rather keep my $20, dance to whatever (which is what happens half the time anyway, especially when there are two dancers on stage), and not play into this game of be-the-dj's-favorite.





What I find vastly amusing are the dancers who used to stiff me for tips on a regular basis (in clubs where tipping was voluntary, or in my present club before the rule was enforced), but then got all bent out of shape if the customers weren't tipping them when they went onstage. How sympathetic do you think I was to their cheap asses? ;D And guess who got the songs all the dancers were fighting over, the ones who tipped me because they knew I was busting my ass, or the ones who stiffed me regularly?

BIGJosh
03-10-2010, 04:13 AM
$70 security shirts? Seriously? My boyfriend is a bouncer (at a regular nightclub) and he gets his shirts around the corner from the club for $10. And he wears a 2x.

And yes, I ALWAYS tip the bouncers at my club-but some get bigger tips because I know they are actually watching my back, while others get a dollar out of politeness because they act like they don't give a fuck and don't pay attention, or refuse to do anything when I ask for help.
My buddy wears a size 4 xl shirt....he has to wear a suit, and a nice dress shirt, is $70 bucks(no bs). He was very frustrated.

2 xl shirts are cheap to begin with. Do me a favor? call a big & tall store, ask how much a size(hypothetical here) 5 xl dress shirt is.....wanna bet they say anywhere between $40 and up?. Now, imagine your boyfriend having to pay that for a shirt, or multiple sirts, he'd be pissed, especially if he makes nothing but a paycheck. The club isn't going to pay this, or, they MIGHT supply them to you, but take it out of your check. most of the time, if you return them, they dont give you the $$$ back they took out.

Your bf's lucky, he doesnt have to pay much for shirts(he shouldnt have to anyways, IMO, the club should supply him with those). Try if he's a big dude? My friend(whos 400+ lbs), is 6'8, so a "2xl" shirt would be like a tube top on him;D. He cant "fit" into anything smaller than a 5XL< and guess what? those things aint cheap dear.


Im just saying that things you feel arenmt so expensive, and might be not as important to you, are important to others, and that clubs basically shit on bouncers in general. No one should "expect" you to tip them, but as a courtesy, you should, even if it's just a few bucks here and there. I always say" You wouldnt like it if someone didnt tip you"? so, why do it to someone else?

Funny that girls got all pissy about "strippers not being the reason why bouncers need to throw guys out", as this past weekend...I was @ Sapphires, and saw 3 girls get highly pissed b/c the customers they danced for, "stiffed them" on their CR dances. Guess who walked away, and had the "lazy/worthless" bouncers "deal with it" and act as if they couldnt be bothered?

One girl went so far as to berate the bouncer b/c he couldnt force the guy to get her $$$ from him, and then called said bouncer a "worthless piece of shit, fucking asshole". So, she wants the bouncer to break a law, and extort $$$ from the guy, so she can get paid, and yet, Im supposed to throw these guys out, and be all smiles about it? That guy leaves, he's now extremely pissed, his friends leave w/him, they want revenge, and guess who has to take them outside, and possibly deal with them, while you gilrs are insaide continuing to make $$$? they fight...because YOU werent smart enough to get the $$$$ upfront, and have the "I couldnt give a shit about anyone but myself" attitude? So, I have to go in therem, get the $$$ to make YOU happy, issue a guy a beating, and work for 7.55 an hour...minus tips and be cheery and waiting(with baited breath) for another incident to happen, so I can "do my job", and the club/dancers/bartyenders/dj's make all the $$$$ and we do not?


Got it. Just wanted to be clear.

BiggCaZ
03-10-2010, 12:14 PM
And the last thing dancers need is a bunch of bouncers demanding that we give them extra money because they couldn't negotiate a higher wage with their actual employers.

Bouncers can't demand shit. Well, anyone can demand anything, but it doesn't mean anyone has to put out. You already know that. Hell, the majority of the time, bouncers don't even get a pat on the back for a job well done.

At the spots I worked in, it wasn't required for us to walk the dancers out to their cars, or talk their game up to customers, but we did. The least any of them could do for doing or job well or extra shit that we aren't required to do is throw a few bucks our way. Or would you rather us just have the same mindstate you have and only be looking out for our best interests?

MarvelGirl
03-10-2010, 05:03 PM
One girl went so far as to berate the bouncer b/c he couldnt force the guy to get her $$$ from him, and then called said bouncer a "worthless piece of shit, fucking asshole". So, she wants the bouncer to break a law, and extort $$$ from the guy, so she can get paid, and yet, Im supposed to throw these guys out, and be all smiles about it? That guy leaves, he's now extremely pissed, his friends leave w/him, they want revenge, and guess who has to take them outside, and possibly deal with them, while you gilrs are insaide continuing to make $$$? they fight...because YOU werent smart enough to get the $$$$ upfront, and have the "I couldnt give a shit about anyone but myself" attitude? So, I have to go in therem, get the $$$ to make YOU happy, issue a guy a beating, and work for 7.55 an hour...minus tips and be cheery and waiting(with baited breath) for another incident to happen, so I can "do my job", and the club/dancers/bartyenders/dj's make all the $$$$ and we do not?


Got it. Just wanted to be clear.

I'm a little confused by your scenario. I've never had a problem with a bouncer but I have had a couple guys thrown out for refusing to pay me. I don't really care if that guy leaves upset because he is a thief.

It sounds like your upset about having to throw out non-paying customers because then they are upset and their buddies are upset too but isn't that your job? I'm asking this respectfully as a person who tips the bouncers but also expects them to protect me.

BIGJosh
03-11-2010, 04:18 AM
I'm a little confused by your scenario. I've never had a problem with a bouncer but I have had a couple guys thrown out for refusing to pay me. I don't really care if that guy leaves upset because he is a thief.

It sounds like your upset about having to throw out non-paying customers because then they are upset and their buddies are upset too but isn't that your job? I'm asking this respectfully as a person who tips the bouncers but also expects them to protect me.

No luv, I(and several other bouncers) are "upset" because so many people(club mgmnt,dancers/dj's/custies/etc) feel as if "well the bouncers dont do shit...blah blah blah". And then alot of girls hear this in ther back, and guess who's now public enemy #1, and doesnt even get a "thank you" from someone for doing something nice for them?

Im not upset @ throwing people out, thats my job...Im "upset" w/dancers who dont think that they cause alot of the problems we have w/custies. I want you all to get paid for your services, just like you'd want me to get paid for mine? B/c a guy doesnt pay you, he's not a "thief", It's up to YOU to get the $$$$ upfront, to try to avoid confrontations at all costs. It happens at times, Im fully aware of that. Also...dont make matters worse by talking shit to guys who dont pay you, that only escalates things, and makes our jobs harder. Just walk away, or tell us, we'll handle it. Again, thats our job.

I guess im just frustrated w/the lack of respect bouncers/doorman have throughout the club from all the other employees. Too often times, we're seen as "lazy/standing around/not doing shit...blah blah blah". Like I said, we're watching...maybe YOU girls dont think we are, but we are. We work hard to make you all feel safe, and secure, and have as much fun(and take alot of $$$ from guys;D), as you can.

Basically, just be good to us, and in return, we'll definitely be good to you. We appreciate all the girls who tip "just a buck" if thats all they can afford, it goes along way and makes us remember that you're thinking of us, we appreciate that.

Just get sick of hearing 'well, you get a paycheck for x amount of money...not up to me to tip you, sorry". Just as much as it costs many of you girls $$$ to buy clothing for your job, it costs us too. Take into account, many of these jobs, we get minimum wage(ever try paying a $275 a month car payment on $7.55 a month? not easy). MW doesnt go very far. Not a case to demand $$$, just a "remember us" thing.

Trust me when I tell you, if you were to go up to any bouncer @ your club(that is any one with an IQ over 5), & ask him to send some custies your way if they have some nice dough, and you take care of him, he'll do it. I've yet to see a girl not tip a guy out for this. Not something they do for all girls.....just the ones who ask and arent demanding of it, and they say "thank you" and take care of them.

Ive had girls come up to me(as a DJ) & purposely give me extra $$$ to bring in special music for them, no one else in the club likes, or gets. Im sure it's that way w/many other clubs, Im just saying. Many times, a girl will come up and say "who is this? can you play this for me next time i go up?" I do and it's "thanks" and walk away. I stopped doing it for girls who dont tip. Im not talking for girls who dont tip me for certain songs, im talking DO NOT TIP...at all. They get the shit music, and the same old stuff everyone else gets.

Sorry, off on a tangent there.


Just saying: be kind to your bouncer(s), they have a very tough gig, and they deal w/100 times the shit you girls deal with on a nightly basis, believe me.

chris91
03-11-2010, 06:55 AM
Bouncers can't demand shit. Well, anyone can demand anything, but it doesn't mean anyone has to put out. You already know that. Hell, the majority of the time, bouncers don't even get a pat on the back for a job well done.

At the spots I worked in, it wasn't required for us to walk the dancers out to their cars, or talk their game up to customers, but we did. The least any of them could do for doing or job well or extra shit that we aren't required to do is throw a few bucks our way. Or would you rather us just have the same mindstate you have and only be looking out for our best interests?

If you'd read the thread, you'd know that I do tip my bouncers. I tip them because I like them. If they acted like some of the guys in this thread, I would stop tipping them and hope they quit.

I don't appreciate the attitude that you are somehow entitled to my money. You are not. That's why it's called a "gratuity" and not a "payment".

MarvelGirl
03-11-2010, 09:16 AM
B/c a guy doesnt pay you, he's not a "thief",

NO. He is a THIEF. If you walked into a restaurant, ordered and ate your meal and then walked out you are a THIEF. The police don't walk in and say "Stupid waitress, you should have gotten your money up front."

Making guys pay up front is viable in some areas but it is NOT viable in other areas.

I think you're just a prick, enjoy being ignored.

BiggCaZ
03-11-2010, 09:35 AM
If you'd read the thread, you'd know that I do tip my bouncers. I tip them because I like them. If they acted like some of the guys in this thread, I would stop tipping them and hope they quit.

I don't appreciate the attitude that you are somehow entitled to my money. You are not. That's why it's called a "gratuity" and not a "payment".

Again, I'm talking about gratuity, and not a payment. If your bouncer does his job well or goes out of his way to accommodate you, then yes, he deserves a tip. He doesn't just because. That was the point of my initial post. A lot of bouncers don't do their jobs the way they were supposed to in the first place, and will usually bitch up when to comes time to. Those that do should get tipped.

You needed to pay attention to that. No where in there did I say that a bouncer deserves your money just because.

MarvelGirl
03-11-2010, 09:39 AM
Again, I'm talking about gratuity, and not a payment. If your bouncer does his job well or goes out of his way to accommodate you, then yes, he deserves a tip. He doesn't just because. That was the point of my initial post. A lot of bouncers don't do their jobs the way they were supposed to in the first place, and will usually bitch up when to comes time to. Those that do should get tipped.


I agree with that 100%. Most of the bouncers I've worked with have been great and I have no problem tipping them. Occasionally, I've encountered one who obviously hates all dancers and refers to us as "stupid, fucking whores" or "greedy bitches".

They can go suck a dick and it will be a cold day in hell before I give some fucking asshole who hates me and laughs when I get robbed or sexually assaulted a dime.

But, I'm not going to start treating the good guys like shit because of a few bad apples.

chris91
03-11-2010, 10:09 AM
No where in there did I say that a bouncer deserves your money just because.

It sure seemed like you were saying that bouncers were entitled to tips because they don't get paid a lot. Maybe I misunderstood.

KS_Stevia
03-11-2010, 12:08 PM
Getting money up front is not the culture over here. You should at least try to get the money owed to the girls from the guys. You don't need to punch them in the head to do it, but a little bit of clever intimidation should work just fine.

Believe me, if you had gotten the girls at least PART of their money, they would have reacted much differently.

If you have such a bad attitude about your job, I'd recommend working elsewhere.

wanderlust08
03-11-2010, 12:23 PM
I always tried to tip the bouncers the best I could with what I made. (Hey it's a rule...and in my place of business I follow rules.) I also didn't bring drama into the club, fight with other dancers, or try to weasel money from people in unsavory ways....

On the flip side though, I also went out of my way to be super sweet to everyone I worked with, and if I had a bad night monetarily speaking, I would explain it to the bouncers/DJ, and usually they would understand. Then whenever I would bank I would tip extra to make up for the crappy night.

I dunno, I kinda have this opinion if a dancer gives the bouncers hell and causes a general ruckus in the club, they should be paid extra to put up with your ass.

I really, truly lucked out at my last club though, I was absolutely cool with everyone on staff. On nights when it was super dead we would close at midnight or one, and then dancers/bouncers/DJ together would go to this one bar we all loved. I was going through super rough shit at that time, dealing with an abusive boyfriend, on very bad terms with my family, boyfriend had chased off all my friends...it was a total escape for me, they became my second family. So OF COURSE I had to tip everyone.

I would STILL to this day do anything for any one of those people if they asked me to.

Cupid213
03-11-2010, 01:17 PM
No I dont think so! Out of my 6 years of working I can count on 1 hand how many times a bouncer has helped me! Take it up with your employer...I hate working at a club where everybody has there hand out!;)

The Mercenary
03-12-2010, 11:03 PM
I think bouncers earn their tips and they deserve it. However tipping DJs is hard to justify. They are nothing more than a glorified jukebox.

camille27
03-13-2010, 12:11 AM
well, a good dj introduces the dancer, is stuck in a booth listening to mediocre music all day, and is the voice of the club. however, i think djs should be paid by the club so that djs do not have to rely on dancer tips because there are too many times when the dj is leaving with more than the dancer. 25 dancers @ $10 tipout a piece is probably above what many dancers are earning on average in this economy.

now, regarding these bouncers who stand around and look intimidating but have less legal authority than a mall cop? please.