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BIGJosh
03-13-2010, 04:13 AM
NO. He is a THIEF. If you walked into a restaurant, ordered and ate your meal and then walked out you are a THIEF. The police don't walk in and say "Stupid waitress, you should have gotten your money up front."

Not the same thing, they have something called "bills" they leave on your table. Yes, you're a thief if you dont pay. If a guy doesnt pay you upfront for your dances, and you dont get the $$$ from him upfront, and he leaves, he thinks it's a freebie. Not every girl is nice to guys, and some girls will try to swindle more out of them.


Making guys pay up front is viable in some areas but it is NOT viable in other areas.

Very good point.


I think you're just a prick, enjoy being ignored.

I think you're just a cheapskate, and trying to find any way to complain and get out of tipping someone, and i couldn't give 2 shits if you "ignore me" or not. Dont threaten me w/a good time.

BIGJosh
03-13-2010, 04:15 AM
No I dont think so! Out of my 6 years of working I can count on 1 hand how many times a bouncer has helped me! Take it up with your employer...I hate working at a club where everybody has there hand out!;)

Looks like you wont be stripping for long.

BIGJosh
03-13-2010, 04:16 AM
well, a good dj introduces the dancer, is stuck in a booth listening to mediocre music all day, and is the voice of the club. however, i think djs should be paid by the club so that djs do not have to rely on dancer tips because there are too many times when the dj is leaving with more than the dancer. 25 dancers @ $10 tipout a piece is probably above what many dancers are earning on average in this economy.

now, regarding these bouncers who stand around and look intimidating but have less legal authority than a mall cop? please.

"Mediocre music" is putting it lightly. They have to endure some of the worst horseshit "music" ever.

BIGJosh
03-13-2010, 04:18 AM
now, regarding these bouncers who stand around and look intimidating but have less legal authority than a mall cop? please.

Sure hope you never need one for anything in the future? dont be surprised if they have that "I cant be bothered" look on their face.

camille27
03-13-2010, 10:06 PM
if it's ever that serious, that's what local police officers are for.

Djoser
03-14-2010, 04:06 PM
which is why this tipout system is so problematic. you want $20 a night so you can play a song i like that happens to be popular? i'd rather keep my $20, dance to whatever (which is what happens half the time anyway, especially when there are two dancers on stage), and not play into this game of be-the-dj's-favorite.

No, I want my minimum required 10$ per girl, because I am not walking with fifty fucking dollars shift pay.

If more than half of the dancers tip me 15-20$ or more, it's because they know I am up there busting my ass for them, and for the entire club.

Sometimes this means playing the shittiest poptop40 cheezy schlock ever, because 7 girls are all demanding the same shitty songs at once. If I have to play vile, execrable songs once or twice a night, because the radio is playing the fucking songs 40-50 times a day for the ignorant masses, goddamned right the vile songs are going to the top bidders.

If you were ever to work with me, you would not 'dance to whatever', unless you seriously disrespected me. You'd dance to the best possible songs to enhance your performance that I was allowed to play.

And I don't have a problem leaving the club with more than some of the dancers, because some of the dancers are sitting on their ass all night, or getting drunk, while I am busting my ass and never, ever drink on the job. Not to mention some of the dancers have no business being on any stage whatsoever, and are only there because the owners of the clubs want another house fee. The good-looking professionals consistently make more than the DJs in my club. The lazy dancers and the unattractive dancers often don't, but that's not my problem.

Djoser
03-14-2010, 04:45 PM
I think bouncers earn their tips and they deserve it. However tipping DJs is hard to justify. They are nothing more than a glorified jukebox.

I work with real live ex-mercenaries, not guys who call themselves that to sound cool on the internet.

The bouncers in my club do deserve every penny they get from the dancers, but I have worked with many bouncers in many other clubs who weren't fit to tie my shoes. Goes to show you, you can't always generalize.

Fortunately not all customers are ignorant dipshits, talking out their asses (see quote above). But unfortunately some of them are, and some of them need to get thrown out. Waiting for the cops to arrive is not an option in most of the clubs I have worked in.

The Mercenary
03-14-2010, 05:19 PM
I work with real live ex-mercenaries, not guys who call themselves that to sound cool on the internet.

The bouncers in my club do deserve every penny they get from the dancers, but I have worked with many bouncers in many other clubs who weren't fit to tie my shoes. Goes to show you, you can't always generalize.

Fortunately not all customers are ignorant dipshits, talking out their asses (see quote above). But unfortunately some of them are, and some of them need to get thrown out. Waiting for the cops to arrive is not an option in most of the clubs I have worked in.

Usually I pride myself on hitting the G-Spot but it seems like this time I have hit the nerve instead. :)

No mercenary worth his salt will hang out with a DJ.

Bouncers do deserve every penny but DJs don’t. I would strongly suggest that dancers keep their hard earned money and not give it to some DJ who does not want to get a real job and instead wants to live off handouts.

Djoser
03-14-2010, 05:44 PM
Wow, you really are an ignorant cocksucker, aren't you?

One of the best DJs I know is an ex-mercenary who lost his lower leg to an Iraqi bomb. He doesn't have all the music down, since he hasn't DJed in a few years, but he has one of the best voices I have ever heard.

He's still a badass, looks like a big huge fucking Viking with a little bit of a limp. I wouldn't fuck with him, and I'm not scared of many people.

He was also a kickass bouncer, incidentally--but now he's the manager of my club. I love giving him the mike to play on, and I never do that with anyone else.

The Mercenary
03-14-2010, 09:27 PM
Wow, you really are an ignorant cocksucker, aren't you?

One of the best DJs I know is an ex-mercenary who lost his lower leg to an Iraqi bomb. He doesn't have all the music down, since he hasn't DJed in a few years, but he has one of the best voices I have ever heard.

He's still a badass, looks like a big huge fucking Viking with a little bit of a limp. I wouldn't fuck with him, and I'm not scared of many people.

He was also a kickass bouncer, incidentally--but now he's the manager of my club. I love giving him the mike to play on, and I never do that with anyone else.

You are afraid of a mercenary with no lower legs! You are a pussy. :)

As the Chinese guy from the downtown San Francisco would say. "Be a man. Get a real job." }:D

Djoser
03-14-2010, 11:50 PM
No, you fucking dumbass, he has part of one lower leg missing. Can you read? Never mind, don't bother to answer, I have a better idea.

BIGJosh
03-15-2010, 03:47 AM
I would strongly suggest that dancers keep their hard earned money and not give it to some DJ who does not want to get a real job and instead wants to live off handouts.

You've pretty much said the same thing about dancers too then right? They dont want to get a "real job"? "real jobs" don't pay as much as dancing jobs, or else there'd be many more "real job" havers than dancers?

Dancers, in essence(according to YOUR logic) "live off hand outs" from strangers? so, there "job" is no different that that of a Dj's?

BIGJosh
03-15-2010, 03:49 AM
if it's ever that serious, that's what local police officers are for. When they seem to be "standing around" too, dont complain about their pay, or lack there of?

Athenathefabulous
03-15-2010, 04:24 AM
B/c a guy doesnt pay you, he's not a "thief", It's up to YOU to get the $$$$ upfront, to try to avoid confrontations at all costs. It happens at times, Im fully aware of that. Also...dont make matters worse by talking shit to guys who dont pay you, that only escalates things, and makes our jobs harder. Just walk away, or tell us, we'll handle it. Again, thats our job.



Wow, im a girl who treats the bouncers well typically. I tip the guy who walks me to my car at least 5$, more if im feeling in a good mood and its a longer walk. If they direct me to a high roller i tip them. if they interact with the high roller in a way that sways the high roller to drop money on me, then i tip them more. I give credit where credit is due. and i feel like tipping the bouncers is almost like having insurance-- you tip 5$ each time so when shit does go sour then you have your protection.

HOWEVER, if a bouncer ever decided to tell me that he didnt think a customer was a thief for not paying us, his tips would very quickly be drained. I have had bouncers tell me that they will try but in reality there is nothing they can do other than kick the customer out if he refuses to pay, but i have NEVER had a bouncer act like a customer was in the right for not paying for services. and yes, that is like dining and dashing.




Just saying: be kind to your bouncer(s), they have a very tough gig, and they deal w/100 times the shit you girls deal with on a nightly basis, believe me.

Im sorry, has any customer tried to stick their finger up your butt?


Maybe you have to deal with a larger quantity of drunken obnoxious douchebags, but we have to deal with them on a more upclose level. We are the ones who have to deal with the sexual assault, not you. And in some clubs the sexual assault factor is not a huge issue, but in others it is-- especially if nude lapdances where 2 way contact is permitted are involved. i worked at one club wehre it seemed like every guy was trying to stick his finger up my pussy. That gets to you after a while... I actually started having really bad nightmares because of it. Has being a bouncer given you really bad nightmares? Im not talking nightmares where you just hate your job, but ones that leave you waking up in the middle of the night in a sweat.

Honestly? Im not one of those girls who is going to try to pity hustle the bouncers. its inappropriate for me to tell them that my job is harder than theirs. Yet here you are, trying to win a prize for who has the hardest job. Is this the way you interact with dancers at your club? If some bouncer treated me with a "my job is sooo much more important and difficult than your petty job" attitude like you are using now, then i would be a lot more tight fisted with my wallet-- i am more likely to tip people who i feel respect me. Its stupid... pardon the cliche, but comparing whether a job as a bouncer or whether a job as a dancer is harder is like comparing apples and oranges. They are two totally different jobs.

Really, i cant believe you are actually dense enough to say that you deal with 100x more bullshit than us. Especially since a lot of dancers end up with some form of PTSD. I dont think that PTSD is a common side effect from being a bouncer.

chris91
03-15-2010, 10:24 AM
Usually I pride myself on hitting the G-Spot but it seems like this time I have hit the nerve instead. :)

No mercenary worth his salt will hang out with a DJ.

Bouncers do deserve every penny but DJs don’t. I would strongly suggest that dancers keep their hard earned money and not give it to some DJ who does not want to get a real job and instead wants to live off handouts.

troll.

chris91
03-15-2010, 10:29 AM
Really, i cant believe you are actually dense enough to say that you deal with 100x more bullshit than us.

Amen to this. I could see a regular dude saying something stupid like this, but certainly not a guy who works in clubs. You have to be a major clueless asshole to compare getting your shirt ripped to sexual assault. I'd take a punch in the face over a finger in the ass any day.

Lola_sinn
03-15-2010, 03:06 PM
Im sorry, has any customer tried to stick their finger up your butt?

This is exactly what I thought when I read his post!

BIGJosh
03-16-2010, 05:02 AM
HOWEVER, if a bouncer ever decided to tell me that he didnt think a customer was a thief for not paying us, his tips would very quickly be drained. I have had bouncers tell me that they will try but in reality there is nothing they can do other than kick the customer out if he refuses to pay, but i have NEVER had a bouncer act like a customer was in the right for not paying for services. and yes, that is like dining and dashing.

Where did I say I would tell a girl this? I didnt. I simply said that bouncers, no matter how hard they try, cant force a custie to give the girls $$$, even if "owed" to them. Thats strong arm robbery/extortion. I would never act as if a "customer is in the right", I would simply kick them out. I strongly believe though, that girls should ask the guy upfront for their $$$ for their LD/CR experiences. Im not sure how other bouncers would handle it...but IMO, the customers ALWAYS @ fault when it comes to anything dealing w/the girls. However, that doesnt give the girl(s) free reign to talk shit to them, make matters worse, if they're involved in a situation.




Im sorry, has any customer tried to stick their finger up your butt?

No, and I can only imagine that would be terrible. Tell the bouncer/mgr when this occurs? we'll handle it from there. No "second chances", they're out the doorski. Unfortunately, you have to take the good w/the bad. If it bothers you that much, you can always switch to a new line of work?



Maybe you have to deal with a larger quantity of drunken obnoxious douchebags, but we have to deal with them on a more upclose level. We are the ones who have to deal with the sexual assault, not you. And in some clubs the sexual assault factor is not a huge issue, but in others it is-- especially if nude lapdances where 2 way contact is permitted are involved. i worked at one club wehre it seemed like every guy was trying to stick his finger up my pussy. That gets to you after a while... I actually started having really bad nightmares because of it. Has being a bouncer given you really bad nightmares? Im not talking nightmares where you just hate your job, but ones that leave you waking up in the middle of the night in a sweat.

Then luv...may I suggest you find another line of work? or take some time off? Im not saying to give into them, but everyone needs a "break" from time to time. If your current club wont do anything about the contact/sa, then you shouldnt be working there , as they simply dont care about their employees, and are pieces of shit IMO. YOU bring the custies to us, YOU make them $$$, you'd think they'd have a better way of making sure you're safer? I agree w/you that no one deserves that. Bouncers can only do so much in that aspect.



Honestly? Im not one of those girls who is going to try to pity hustle the bouncers. its inappropriate for me to tell them that my job is harder than theirs. Yet here you are, trying to win a prize for who has the hardest job. Is this the way you interact with dancers at your club? If some bouncer treated me with a "my job is sooo much more important and difficult than your petty job" attitude like you are using now, then i would be a lot more tight fisted with my wallet-- i am more likely to tip people who i feel respect me. Its stupid... pardon the cliche, but comparing whether a job as a bouncer or whether a job as a dancer is harder is like comparing apples and oranges. They are two totally different jobs.

No no, Im not trying to win any "prize", Im simply trying to explain that on the contrary, many folks think we "sit around all day and night and dont do a thing", when in reality, ALOT of us do, and quite a number of us are there to keep YOU(and other girls & the rest of the employees/custies) safe. I was also trying to point out that we "bouncers" have to deal with just as much shit as you do. Maybe not on a close enough, 1 to 1 level, but we do. I think you misintepreted my post?



Really, i cant believe you are actually dense enough to say that you deal with 100x more bullshit than us. Especially since a lot of dancers end up with some form of PTSD. I dont think that PTSD is a common side effect from being a bouncer.



I think we both deal with an enormous amount of shit, and I'd give the edge to security, as they do indeed deal w/quite enough shit. Not saying you dont, Im simply trying to diffute any "all bouncers are lazy and dont do shit" responses, that so many of you girls here like to use. We do not. Maybe the bouncers @ YOUR clubs are that waY, and may I suggest, if anyone feels so strongly about it, talk to the owner/gm/mgr of your club? go to another club?

I gave an earlier example of how, even though the bouncers were right in that situation, the girls involved, treated them like complete dogshit, and didnt care about anything but getting their $$$. Not all girls are that way of course, just like not all bouncers are "lazy"etc. Too often times though, it seems to be the dancer blames the bouncer for stuff, or if we can't get their $$$ for them, it's somehow our fault? We feel like shit b/c we cant force them to give it to you, and of course, want you all to make all of the $$$ you can.

Just sayin: take a closer look/walk in a bouncers shoes for a night/week, observe us, see what we do. I'll bet many here would have a change of opinions on bouncers and their functions? We're not all "lazy", we're here to help YOU. So, in the immortal words of the great Tom Cruise(From Jerry Mcguire): "Help us...help you";D On a slow night in your club next time...take a look around, sit @/near the door, see what WE have to deal with. I've seen what you girls have to deal with, so I already know how hard it is. We have mgr's on our asses about every little stupid thing.

BiggCaZ
03-17-2010, 10:07 AM
It sure seemed like you were saying that bouncers were entitled to tips because they don't get paid a lot. Maybe I misunderstood.

Its cool.

I've worked with bouncers that felt that way, though. More that didn't feel that way, actually, so I can understand why you might've thought that's where I was coming from. Like just them standing there deserves a tip. That shit isn't cool. A lot of fucked up things can happen at a strip club, and there's no reason tips should be given to a bouncer that doesn't reinforce the dancers' safety beyond reasonable doubt. It makes for a better work environment and significantly happier dancers, and a happy worker is a much more productive worker.

luckischalk
07-11-2010, 09:47 PM
Unless they specifically do something to make you money, hell to the no.

Elvia
07-11-2010, 10:14 PM
Using your logic, we should pay you minimum wage and make you dance for that and only that. After all, it is in your job description and if we went to minimum wage your employer would be paying you to do it. Think what a benefit that would be for me a paying customer. My drink prices would go down and they could charge less for dances!

Seriously, a bouncer SHOULD be tipped.

No one receiving a tip has ANY RIGHT to EVER ask for a tip. Thats why its called a TIP!

The club doesn't pay me minimum wage you moron because the club doesn't pay me SHIT. I'm an independent contractor and I pay THEM. That's the fucking trade off. I wouldn't dance for minimum wage. But when I was EMPLOYED at jobs that paid me a wage I didn't refuse to get off my ass and do my job unless people also tipped me for it.

MsChaos
07-11-2010, 10:33 PM
I try to tip the bouncers for walking me to my car, but they don't let me. Most at my club are just fucking awesome like that.

Elvia
07-11-2010, 10:45 PM
Not the same thing, they have something called "bills" they leave on your table. Yes, you're a thief if you dont pay. If a guy doesnt pay you upfront for your dances, and you dont get the $$$ from him upfront, and he leaves, he thinks it's a freebie. Not every girl is nice to guys, and some girls will try to swindle more out of them.


WTF?

So if I go to a restaurant and leave BEFORE the waiter brings me the bill, I don't have to pay? I'm not a thief, and I could just reasonably assume it was a freebie? Seriously?

Honestly, it sounds like it's YOU who doesn't respect what we do. Maybe you should take your own damn advice and switch careers.

Elvia
07-12-2010, 03:51 PM
I would just like to add that I DO feel for people who make minimum wage. And If I'm doing well, and someone who isn't making a fair wage is treating me well and doing a job that helps me, I'm happy to tip a reasonable amount. But it does bother me when people act like they are entitled to money just by virtue of being in the vicinity of money, or that they shouldn't have to do their job at all if they aren't getting tipped a certain amount, or if they don't respect what I do for a living but then hold their hand out to me at the end of the night.

I remember at the beginning of this recession things in my neck of the woods got REALLY bad for dancers. We tip out the bartenders at my club, and I did think this seemed unfair when they were consistently making so much more than us already for so long, and had a guaranteed income while I was sometimes struggling to make tip out and cab fare home.

dirtycash
07-19-2010, 05:56 PM
"Be a man. Get a real job." }:D

Why the fuck would I want to do that? but your jealousy is delicious.


So if I go to a restaurant and leave BEFORE the waiter brings me the bill, I don't have to pay? I'm not a thief, and I could just reasonably assume it was a freebie? Seriously?


Not directed at Elvia but I've seen this analogy used a few times in this thread so I'll say: If you go into a restaurant and the waiter brings you your bill and you thought he did a lazy job, do you not tip? or do you just tip the minimum? If you work for tips and don't tip anyone then you deserve the financial karma you get.

No, those doormen shouldn't have been demanding ANY tip, much less $20, but that's on them. I tip our doormen and I'm a DJ. I don't tip much but they love me for it. If you really are strippin your way through college then fine, whatever, don't tip anyone, but if you're a 10 year type girl then you should know better. From my experience, the veteran girls DO know what's up so I'm probably preaching to the choir.

and I only make $2.13 an hour so you better believe if a girl thinks I'm a glorified jukebox (not saying those guys don't exist) and tips as such then she will get just that while I make other girls money. On the other hand, I've had girls start out at the $10 minimum and now tip over $30 and I do everything in my power to make them not regret it.


I've said it before and I'll say it again: if you want to make sex worker money, be a sex worker.

agree with this 100%.

Naida
07-20-2010, 04:53 AM
I've always been of the opinion that a person should get what they deserve.

DJs- I now keep a flash drive with music that I like to dance to on it. I give it to the DJ every night so that I don't have to dance to the same crap music that other girls in my club like to dance to. If the DJ just plays whatever and ignores my request to work with music that I GAVE him (which is an attempt to do better by myself and make his job easier) I'm not going to tip shit. If he acts like a "glorified jukebox" and just sticks to whatever is on my flash drive like I asked him to, he'll get his minimum tip out, maybe (if I'm feeling generous on a good night) a few dollars more. But if a DJ does what a PROPER DJ should do (ie- announces me well, offers a discreet reminder to tip, plays with my lighting a little to enhance the show [DJs control stage and floor lights in my club], works with me during sound checks by suggesting an awesome new song or giving me new ideas for song pairings, etc) then I'll be damned if I don't tip him as much as I feel he deserves/I can manage to tip, which on some really good nights has been as much as $50.

Bouncers- These are a little trickier, because we depend on these guys to keep us safe if a situation does arise. If he generally acts like an asshole and offers little to no support when I need his help, I won't tip jack- on THAT night. The next night, when I first arrive, I'll offer an apology and gently explain why I didn't tip him, which usually sorts out any problems and minimizes any animosity. Nights that they don't really do anything because there are no situations and they treat me with general politeness/respect, I'll tip them the minimum and maybe a few dollars more if it's been a decent night. Again, if he does an outstanding job (ie- a situation arises and he responds appropriately, discreetly checks in on my longer private dances to be sure everything is okay, lets me handle mild situations [I ask this of bouncers because it makes their job easier and customers generally respond better to my reprimands than a bouncer's], overlooks small infractions I allow by my regulars, etc) I'll tip as much as I think he deserves/the night's pay lets me.
It also helps his case a lot if lends a little bit of intimidation factor when dealing with customers who have a problem with paying me. It's a rare occurance, and I don't mean get in the guys face or take him out back and beat the money out of him; I mean let his body language be a little intimidating while he politely tries to talk the guy into paying me. Customers will usually pay up, but I understand wholeheartedly and will still tip the bouncer extra if the customer doesn't and he has to throw the guy out.

What it all boils down to is how well they perform their job, just like any other job that works on a supplementary tip system. Most of these guys barely make minimum wage, if even that. So remember to try and be as respectful to each other as you can and, if you just can't pay them what they deserve on a bad night, offer a small apology for not being able to give them a larger tip. Trust me, it makes a huge difference when you treat staff with kindness. And, unlike that waiter who gave you bad service at IHOP, you interact with these people on a day to day basis. Some people just have a bad day and it helps if you talk with them and figure out why they're not up to snuff on a particular night.
I've had an otherwise very good DJ do a shitty job for a couple of nights in the past, but I still tipped him a little over minimum because I knew that he was just having trouble in his personal life that sorely affected his mood and enthusiasm to do a good job. After a couple of days, it blew over and he was back up to his par and getting great tips again, and it made our professional relationship all the better because I had the decency to talk to him about the problem and continue tipping him while other girls couldn't have cared less.