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erotictonic
11-14-2009, 04:27 PM
I didn't say in retrospect it should have been avoided, I just stated what I had experienced.

In your defense, when I was 14, I would have loved to have had an 18 year old bf, but I didn't even have boobs yet lol. If things would've worked out and my parents didn't stop it, I sure would have.

Yes, it's the parents responsibility in that scenario. Different strokes.

People do things all the time that are what other people think are wrong (strippers especially). That's your prerogative.

If one is going to stand for anti-judgmental (inside the law, of course), then stand for anti-judgmental. But, then again, we all choose what we judge, don't we? Just making a point.

Laurisa
11-14-2009, 04:49 PM
In your defense, when I was 14, I would have loved to have had an 18 year old bf, but I didn't even have boobs yet lol. If things would've worked out and my parents didn't stop it, I sure would have.

Yes, it's the parents responsibility in that scenario. Different strokes.

People do things all the time that are what other people think are wrong (strippers especially). That's your prerogative.

If one is going to stand for anti-judgmental (inside the law, of course), then stand for anti-judgmental. But, then again, we all choose what we judge, don't we? Just making a point.
In retrospect I would not allow my 14-year-old son or daughter to date anyone, regardless of their age. In my state 16-years-old is the age of consent for sexual activity, and there are no age restrictions on that law. I've looked it up in our state's penal code several times to be certain.

What my ex did was illegal and wrong, looking back I do not think we should have dated and I think my mom was wrong to allow it. I did however date him for a few short months into being 16, and did not change my mind even once I was 'legal' so perhaps it wasn't so wrong after all.

In regards to the 27-year-old, he did nothing wrong in regards to the laws in my state. He isn't a pedophile and no one can touch him for what he did. Now that I'm an adult it's different and I'm free to marry and date anyone of my choosing. Is that always the best thing? No. Is that reality? Yes. Sometimes people have to dig their graves and lie in them for a bit to wise up, I just haven't had to do that yet.

princessjas
11-14-2009, 05:30 PM
You know, I think that age can be just a number. In my state 16+ is legal so I don't consider it 'creepy', the state doesn't either.

I don't think I'm fucked up from anything I've done, and I'm old enough to make my own choices now so if I am 'damaging' myself then I'll learn the hard way. Many people argue that stripping is detrimental to the psyche though so don't be so quick to judge.

Not illegal doesn't equal not creepy. If you were 16 and say he was 19 or maybe even 20, I wouldn't think it was a big deal though, it's the HUGE age difference, while you are still growing that is disturbing. Oh, and I wasn't judging you, I was judging him. Considering the logic/decision making center of the brain isn't even fully developed till the early 20's, I don't consider it in any way appropriate for someone significantly older than someone in that age range to date them (this was the major reason I didn't date older men at that age). Not saying they belong in jail (although if you were 16 in my opinion he does), just that I wouldn't allow it if it was my child and I choose not to associate with those (male or female) who date teenagers that are more than a few years younger than them.

Although I try not to judge others, things that in some way harm or take advantage of another person always set off my moral compass and I avoid those that engage in these actions.

BTW - Before any men jump in here, I'm done with this topic and not getting into it again. I just wanted to make it clear that I'm not judging HER in any way.

Athenathefabulous
11-14-2009, 05:46 PM
Funny thing is when y'all are 33 married with kids you'll see my point. I promise. Stripping at 18 is waaaaaaaay different when u look back 10 years later. There's right and wrong ladies and showing your uterus for 4 quarters is wrong. Imitating sex is wrong. Lap dance grinding is wrong. Y'all will see. Good luck and don't let the club swallow u up

Wow! I never thought of it that way! Now, after reading this post i have just had a revelation and i will stop my evil ways of showing my uterus for quarters! Im gonna be a changed woman, you know, with panties and everything after readng this. Thank you, Captain-Save-A-Ho.

/sarcasm

Elvia
11-14-2009, 06:59 PM
Laurisa, I used to be the same way all through my teens, and I understand the appeal of older men, even when you're very young. Having said that, I very much doubt that by the time you're in your late 20's you'll be anything but grossed out by men your same age who date high school aged girls.

erotictonic
11-14-2009, 07:19 PM
My brother did this, btw. Except he was 37 dating an 18 yo. /gag

mediocrity
11-14-2009, 07:21 PM
I agree 100% but I do have to say, just to play devils advocate for a sec... up until very recently, it was acceptable to marry off your 14 yr old daughter and for her to start having babies instantly bc of a persons life expectancy being so low. It's only the last 100 yrs (not even) that this became "creepy". Sometimes it's hard to shut off the "animal" side of the brain.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS ACCEPTABLE OR THAT I AM OK WITH THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR. I CONSIDER IT PEDOPHELIA. Im simply stating the other (factual) side of the coin.

Yeah. I consider it pedophilia too. I'd be all son- why are you picking up girls at the middle school when your ass is graduated?! Go to college.

People need to talk to their kids man. For real.

I have a 48 year old man chasing me right now. That's 21 years older. He is four years younger than my FATHER.

No way.

princessjas
11-15-2009, 10:32 AM
Yeah. I consider it pedophilia too. I'd be all son- why are you picking up girls at the middle school when your ass is graduated?! Go to college.

People need to talk to their kids man. For real.

I have a 48 year old man chasing me right now. That's 21 years older. He is four years younger than my FATHER.

No way.

Agreed! I'd smack the crap out of my boys if they even thought of dating a 14 year old when they were 18+ or a 16-17 yr old in their mid-late 20's.... pretty much any of those Creepy McCreeperson moves are gonna get Mommy to knock some sense into them.

They just aren't behaving that way...no way in hell! :no: I feel it's my responsibility to make sure they don't prey on others, and it PISSES me off that other parents don't take more responsibility for their kids actions...Your job is not magically done when they turn 18, they are still kids and you still have a MAJOR influence in their lives...they need guidance damnit! :beat:

As for the other...can't say much there. I have no issues with men that are 10-20 years older than me if we match up well and they don't chase young girls (it's obvious if they don't, they'll do stuff like remind you over and over that they are older when you first meet..hehe, it's really cute). A lot of guys in their 30's try to impress me with money or are super arrogant/into themselves, older guys seem to thankfully be over that BS. (I am in my mid-30's now, so I feel like as long as I am cognizant of the differences in maturity level, it shouldn't be a biggie like it was 10 years ago, but meh, I realize many will disagree with me.)

erotictonic
11-15-2009, 12:37 PM
The boys probably aren't telling their parents.

No, I think it's something I'd rather not judge for others without hearing their side, if it's legal. Doesn't mean I would let it go on in my own household. (No way jose).

My bro left a woman his age for an 18 year old at 37. His story was that the girl chased him down, he thought about it, and ended up believing they had a chance. So he cheated.

He was her manager in a seafood restaurant. I just think his gf is obese, and she was a cute 18 year old, and he just said wtf. After the fact, his gf came back to him anyways, even after he told her he wasn't sure he wouldn't do it again. They've been together for like 20 years and have never tied the knot. Can we say horrible self-esteem? We even met this 18 year old, so I think he wanted something serious with her.

Yes, he's insane. He's whacked. I wouldn't doubt that he has serious character flaws; his father was a horrible mother fucker who went around pregnating as many women as he could and bailing. But my mother never said a thing to him. She's a co-dependent, a doormat, and she's scared of her shadow. He gave her some sob story.

MsClaireVoyant
11-15-2009, 12:51 PM
In most cases I can't see why someone going on thirty would be interested in a teenager for reasons other than sex, but it would be narrowminded to say it's always necessarily that they are a creep. People don't fit into boxes. Not all 18 year olds are the same and I've met some 18 year olds who have it more together than some 40 year olds I know. So while if a 28 year old man makes a HABIT of only dating 17-18 year olds, yes that says something about him... but if he just happens to click with and fall for a certain special girl who just happens to be young and they truly are compatible, I don't think it means he is a creep. Sometimes it just goes down that way, I've seen it happen.

erotictonic
11-15-2009, 12:53 PM
In most cases I can't see why someone going on thirty would be interested in a teenager for reasons other than sex, but it would be narrowminded to say it's always necessarily that they are a creep. People don't fit into boxes. Not all 18 year olds are the same and I've met some 18 year olds who have it more together than some 40 year olds I know. So while if a 28 year old man makes a HABIT of only dating 17-18 year olds, yes that says something about him... but if he just happens to click with and fall for a certain special girl who just happens to be young and they truly are compatible, I don't think it means he is a creep. Sometimes it just goes down that way, I've seen it happen.

Yes, I think that too. It just depends on the people involved.

princessjas
11-15-2009, 01:38 PM
^^I was actually going to post something similar right after erotictonics post about her brother....but then I thought about it a bit and realized that although I DO believe sometimes it does happen that people mysteriously connect with someone innapropriately young, there is a BIG difference in how people handle it. I think this separates the creeps from the good guys.

I have seen it several times, but with the 2 guys that were decent men, both waited a couple of years till the girl was a bit older. They let her grow up a bit and also made sure it was really what she wanted and it wasn't a "daddy" issue. Both worked out long term, too....well, one was my grandparents and they were happy until my grandmother passed away about 20 years later, one was a neighbor and they have been married roughly 10 years now...so at least sorta long-term.

MonicaF
11-15-2009, 06:00 PM
That's your past - not your present. If he can't "get over it" then he has a lot of growing up to do and most likely he needs to stop being a f*ing hypocrite because most likely he's done PLENTY of things in the past privately/secretly that he probably doesn't want you or others to know about that he may not have the balls to admit to. Just a thought...

Laurisa
11-15-2009, 06:05 PM
The boys probably aren't telling their parents.

You're right, they don't tell their parents. Why? Because anyone I have dated since I was 14 has been an adult. Regardless of anyone's opinion, I do not believe that an 18-year-old dating someone 10 years their senior is 'creepy' or inappropriate, I'm an adult just as much as someone in their thirties is, the only exception to my rights is that I cannot drink until I'm 21 or run for president until I'm 35. In Michigan, as I said, age of consent is 16. The only person who has violated any laws is my ex that dated me when I was 14, but he made a choice and so did I. Am I saying he was in the right? No. Do I think he should go to jail for what we did? Not at all.

I understand that as I get older I will likely be creeped out by men dating younger women, but all the same they aren't doing anything illegal and morals are separate from the law. I appreciate your feedback though, I'll be sure to keep it in mind in the future. Right now I'm dating someone who isn't even 2 years older than me, so I'm steering clear of the 'creepers' for ya for now. ;)

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 10:02 AM
Guys perspective here - First of, I've never dated anyone more than 2 years younger, except for a year ago when I dated a couple of girls (at different times) in their 20s (I'm in my 30s). In fact, I've usually dated older women.

But, I need to point out that women disguise themselves to look younger or look older all the time, and guys can't always figure out the correct age - "I knew she was young, but not that young!" As soon as a woman gets her boobs, she can add high heels, makeup, a smart dress and look like a 20-something. Add the alcohol and dim lights of a dance club (which they got into with fake IDs), and yeah, guys in their 30s will be trying to take them home.

If she dresses and acts like a child and this attracts older men - yes, they are obviously perverts. No issue there.

Then, you also have to keep in mind the jailbait girls. They are young women with lots of sexual experience who dress "cute", but in an overtly sexual and tantalizing way. Just go to any mall on a weekend night and you'll see them. Older guys who fall for them become perverts, but they did not start out that way.

CKXXX
11-16-2009, 10:35 AM
^^Kari is 23. So you are blaming porn for this now? Even though it CLEARLY states (by law it has to) that everyone in the film is over 18?

princessjas
11-16-2009, 12:23 PM
^^Yeah, I've never seen anyone at the mall dressed like that either. At the SC, sure, in porn, you betcha, but not out irl except maybe on Halloween.

Oh, and just ime, guys can watch porn with the schoolgirl look and never think of actually going after a girl that age. I know someone like that actually, who loves that look, but irl often calls women in their early 40's "girls." So, I really don't think the outfit is somehow making these men decide to date young girls...stare at em sure, but date, nah, they'd have to already be okay with that for the outfit be it in porn or the SC to have any sway whatsoever.

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 12:25 PM
^^ I'm glad she's 23, but she could be 18. There are 17 and 18 year old that dress like. I'm not judging them,... I'm just saying - men of all ages will be tantalized.

I didn't say anything about porn. I like Kari.

The role of porn in society is too complex - its a whole other thread. To say it as simply as I can, I think porn are like guns, whether its "good" or "evil" in society depends on the end-user and how the end-user uses it. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Porn doesn't sexually assault people. People sexually assault people.

Obviously, porn has helped a lot of people to expand their notions of "normal" sex and try very exciting things.

When it comes to age - yes, there is a lot of teen porn (young women disguised as teens), but there is also a lot of MILF porn and even mature "grandma" porn.

erotictonic
11-16-2009, 12:29 PM
It is definitely around, more or less. It just depends on the area.

Where I used to live, Myrtle Beach, is full of young girls that look like little sluts.

When I was 16/17, I dressed like a slut sometimes too.

princessjas
11-16-2009, 12:50 PM
**I wrote this up earlier but decided against posting it, but meh, I think everyone should hear it. I've nearly posted some of these details numerous times, but figured I'd be flamed.**


For anyone that wonders why I take such a hard line on this issue, there are many reasons, but I never really gave a shit until a few years ago, right after my shitty brother in law that stole from us moved out of our house.

He immediately started dating a 16 year old when he was 38 at the time...He lied about his age to get her to go out with him, then fucked her over repeatedly till she started attempting suicide.

After he deliberately knocked her up and then left her, she actually did kill herself. He had blamed the pregnancy on her after he convinced her he'd leave her if she didn't have his baby. This was a huge shock to her family because she was a good-girl with straight A’s and no prior emotional issues.

His parents knew about everything, including the fact that he was trying to knock her up, and supported him, even though he has two kids, one he hasn’t seen in 10 years, one he’s never seen. He was actually living with his parents at the time (he's never out of prison long, and still can’t support himself, although he is a con man who is well-spoken and doesn't come across as a felon at first.) His mother actually said it was a more appropriate relationship than my marriage with Mike...She says I'm too old for him, cause yanno, I'm only about 9 mos YOUNGER than him. Such a fucked up evil woman and an even worse son.

Right now my baby cousin is married to a man that is 20 years her senior. She met him in her late teens and he got her started taking pills. A few years ago, they were both stoned and driving while another drunk driver hit their car, killing his youngest daughter, the day before her 7th birthday. They are now crazy druggies and their son was born with Gastroschisis (exposed intestines) and several other delays and birth defects. Not saying her guy caused her drug use, but she was clean before him.

I guess I see nearly all adult men that date teenagers like Jimmy (He is also the dipshit that stole my convertible and 18k then tried to run over Tyler and I.) I could seriously tell you about 10 stories similar to this one. Most end in drug use, pregnancy, excessive drinking and partying or attempted suicide, it's ruined potential and often a ruined life. Nearly all of the girls I knew in school who dated older men ended up with accidental pregnancies derailing college plans, it’s one of the big reason I shied away from my attraction at the time. I just can't see this as coincidental.

BTW – I wrote this up earlier and have decided not to post it numerous times, because usually the guys get involved and the thread turns into a flame fest and well, I didn’t want my families personal issues aired when that was going on. This is just something I’ve noticed over and over again. What I wonder is which came first, the chicken or the egg so to speak. These girls lives are obviously on a rapid downward spiral, is the older man attraction the trigger or has it already begun and this is just the first visible symptom. I’m not claiming to know the answer, but I’ve heard tale of this scenario probably 30 times or more (Mom’s a huge busybody in a small town) with only 3 or 4 remotely positive outcomes other than the two I posted about before.

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 12:58 PM
^^Yeah, I've never seen anyone at the mall dressed like that either. At the SC, sure, in porn, you betcha, but not out irl except maybe on Halloween.

Okay, maybe not exactly like that, but darn close - mini skirts, high heels, tank tops, etc.

And I have to be very careful here - I'm not saying that a young woman is a jailbait just because she dresses sexy, obviously that's just one component - the other components are: (1) very sexually experienced, (2) sexually aggressive and (3) flirts with older men.

Here's "teen sensation" Miley Cirrus, who is idolized and imitated by very very young teenagers (13+): 22563

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 01:07 PM
Princessjas, I'm sorry you've been through all that and I'm sorry about those victims. Guys like that deserve to rot and be raped in prison.

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 01:33 PM
So you are blaming porn for this now?

I've thought about it some more - if there is any group to blame for little girls being oversexualized and taught that slutty at 13+ = cool & glamorous, it has to be the music industry... Slutty outfits, stripper poles and stripper dance moves are taught to very very young girls (13+) by teeny-bopper female rock stars. That's the female side of the equation.

On the male side of the equation are idiots and losers with no morals, no intelligence, insecurity and lack of self-control.

erotictonic
11-16-2009, 01:41 PM
LORD, this sounds like where I grew up haha (NC).

No wonder you are against it, Princess. That is a nightmare.

My brother did this too, but I don't think he is THAT bad. He's never been in jail or anything (to my knowledge, maybe when he was younger for running a stop sign or something lol), and he has always retained jobs. He's only had 2 in his whole life. Yea, he's got some problems character-wise, but he's no real criminal.

In other words, yea he might be a cheating bastard and a disgusting puke (liar), but I don't think he would actually put anyone else in danger or steal from them. He's responsible, to a certain degree, not to the degree I like, but..... He doesn't have any kids either.

princessjas
11-16-2009, 02:11 PM
LORD, this sounds like where I grew up haha (NC).


Haha. I grew up in WV and currently reside in NC. lol Moving soon though! ;D Damn, just relaying a few of my life experiences (sexism and lowlifes) makes it WAYYY to easy to locate me! :rotfl: Says a lot about the South, huh?

Laurisa
11-16-2009, 03:15 PM
I think there's a big difference between Miley Cyrus and an of-age porn star. Miley Cyrus can slut it up all she wants, but only porn stars really bring it to the table. ;) Sex sells nowadays, what do you expect? Little good girls don't usually make it with that image past 12 in the entertainment industry anymore, even on the Disney Channel.

PJ - I'm sorry to hear that happened to you and your family. I can empathize with you and understand your adversity to older men dating younger women completely, because I am similar with alcohol. What I mean is that I get irritated when someone drinks, even socially, and automatically want to label them an alcoholic because of my mom's alcoholism. It makes me want to push them away, which is why I'm glad that I'll be starting off working a juice bar. I understand the negative feelings associated with older male, younger female relationships completely after what you said.

All the same, if you don't like your state's age of consent laws then write to your congressmen and tell them the laws need to be changed. Other than that, it is a moral debate, because the laws are clean cut in every state.

CKXXX
11-16-2009, 04:10 PM
but there is also a lot of MILF porn .
No kidding..thats what I do.::)

Earl_the_Pearl
11-16-2009, 04:16 PM
BTW - Before any men jump in here,...
Not many MEN post anymore.

princessjas
11-16-2009, 04:20 PM
^^I don't have any issues with the laws, I just personally choose not to associate with those who do such things because they always seem to have other horrible character flaws. I honestly have no issue with large age differences though, as long as both partners are somewhat equal. I tend to be attracted to men much older than I am...like say 50ish. ;)

The police actually tried to prosecute Jimmy, but her parents didn't make the complaint till months after her death and then refused to have her body exhumed. He'd be serving life in prison right now if they would have reported him earlier, because it would have been his first felony since the 3 strikes law was implemented.

ArmySGT.
11-16-2009, 04:26 PM
^^Yeah, I've never seen anyone at the mall dressed like that either. At the SC, sure, in porn, you betcha, but not out irl except maybe on Halloween.

I have in Colorado. In Denver and Colorado Springs. Course mothers with "prostitots" can be annoyingly bad here too.

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 04:59 PM
No kidding..thats what I do.::)

Just curious,... is the largest group of your audience young, middle-aged or older? I'm guessing younger guys, but that's just a guess.

Do you give out your website on this forum?

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 05:06 PM
I think there's a big difference between Miley Cyrus and an of-age porn star. Miley Cyrus can slut it up all she wants, but only porn stars really bring it to the table. ;) Sex sells nowadays, what do you expect? Little good girls don't usually make it with that image past 12 in the entertainment industry anymore, even on the Disney Channel.

Yeah, but little girls (13+) are slutting it up to imitate tiny-bopper female rock stars, not porn stars. They are protected from porn, but not from the music industry.

BTW - I like Avril Lavigne and I went to her concert a few years ago, I felt really old. Most of the girls (donning little skirts and fishnets stockings) were 13-17.

erotictonic
11-16-2009, 06:39 PM
OMG all those little girls around the pole.... that's just disturbing after I've seen strippers use it for years. Ugly ugly ugly. Ewwww.

I never thought I would see this day :D.

CKXXX
11-16-2009, 07:29 PM
Just curious,... is the largest group of your audience young, middle-aged or older? I'm guessing younger guys, but that's just a guess.

Do you give out your website on this forum?
My fans are a pretty even mix of ages. My personal site is cameronkeys.com but its in its baby stage right now until I shoot enough content to launch my members section.

But you can google me and find my work

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 07:40 PM
My fans are a pretty even mix of ages. My personal site is cameronkeys.com but its in its baby stage right now until I shoot enough content to launch my members section.

But you can google me and find my work

Wow! Count me as one of your fans! Nice work!

KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-16-2009, 07:44 PM
OMG Jas, that's awful! Thank you for sharing your story, must have been so tough.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-16-2009, 08:06 PM
My fans are a pretty even mix
I find it interesting that women I am too old to date are MILF's.

Cameron Keys Salutes
The Troops!

Here she is on a Huey Chopper that saw action in the Vietnam War.
http://cameronkeys.com/images%20Cameron/cameron-keys-copter1sm.jpg

Earl is like that chopper. :wave:

jack0177057
11-16-2009, 08:36 PM
I find it interesting that women I am too old to date are MILF's.

Yeah, I always imagined a MILF as a little bit older -

http://www.amazingastrid.com/images/previewpics/aa204/aa204077.jpg

http://www.amazingastrid.com/images/previewpics/aa204/aa204049.jpg

Jessie_tinydancer
11-16-2009, 08:40 PM
^Jack I think that lady could be a GILF... I mean she looks great but once your hitting late 40's, early 50's your kids are already grown up and havin their own babies hehehe

Earl_the_Pearl
11-16-2009, 09:36 PM
^Jack I think that lady could be a GILF... I mean she looks great but once your hitting late 40's, early 50's your kids are already grown up and havin their own babies hehehe
It is the circle of life. So you are an ageist?

jack0177057
11-17-2009, 09:02 AM
^Jack I think that lady could be a GILF... I mean she looks great but once your hitting late 40's, early 50's your kids are already grown up and havin their own babies hehehe

I'm not so sure. I see more and more women waiting until late 20s or early 30s just to start having children. This means that by the time your son is 16 and his horny pals are checking you out, you're already in your 40s.

Of course, porn distorts everything, so I guess even an 18 year old could be a MILF, since she is old enough to be a mother.

The classic MILF movie (at least for my generation and the one before me - I'm 37) is the Graduate.

http://50anosdefilmes.com.br/wp-content/uploads/1985/08/agraduateosdois.jpg

http://entimg.msn.com/i/gal/Bad_Mommies/graduate_502.jpg

Jessie_tinydancer
11-17-2009, 09:31 AM
It is the circle of life. So you are an ageist?

Earl...have u already forgotten Im the chick that would F--- Heff for free? I am no ageist. :P Well actually I'm yet to be with a guy younger than me. I have been with a few younger women however...

Trem
11-17-2009, 09:46 AM
I think the term "MILF" pretty damn meaningless anymore, when you see 40-50 year olds calling 20 somethings milfs just because they happen to have a kid you know they are missing the point. What a MILF should really be is a woman old enough to be YOUR mother, not just any random chick with a kid.

CKXXX
11-17-2009, 10:05 AM
MILF in porn is pretty much anyone too old to be "barely legal". So at 36...I def qualify. (even though I dont have kids)

jack0177057
11-17-2009, 12:19 PM
What a MILF should really be is a woman old enough to be YOUR mother, not just any random chick with a kid.

I agree - that's the fantasy behind MILF - i.e. doing your mom's best friend, your best friend's mom or your GF's mom (all of which are old enough to be your mom).

A boy would have to be about 15 for the 30-something MILF to be old enough to be his mother.

CKXXX, you're too young to be my MILF, but I do enjoy your work. ;) So, what do you call someone about your same age ILF?

laurcon
11-19-2009, 03:38 PM
I think the term "MILF" pretty damn meaningless anymore, when you see 40-50 year olds calling 20 somethings milfs just because they happen to have a kid you know they are missing the point. What a MILF should really be is a woman old enough to be YOUR mother, not just any random chick with a kid.

i totally agree! it annoys me when a young chick gets pregnant and now she's a "MILF". i'm like "she's just a normal 20 yr old, of course you'd fuck her".

but that one chick seriously has to be like 60. total GILF.