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Earl_the_Pearl
11-09-2009, 11:18 AM
most of the dancers in jersey are here illegally from russia anyway. and if not, according to you, they're all making money by illegally prostituting themselves anyway. so how are they supposed to pay taxes when they don't make any money from actually dancing?
They still make money. A local club was busted and a dancer was sent to immigration for being here illegally. Nothing happened to the owner who hired her. His ass should be in jail too. I guess I'm going to have to start issuing 1099.
P was turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement for having a deportation warrant, Zarro said.
yoda57us
11-09-2009, 11:45 AM
I had just assumed (incorrectly) they had gone out of business as a whole when they closed up shop around here. It's been many years since I last patronized a Sizzler. Should I happen upon one in my future travels, would it be worth it to try it out again?
I have actually never been inside a Sizzler Bob. They are not too common in my neck of the woods. I do see them when I work on the west coast however. The reason for my Sizzler reference was because Johnny Carson used to joke with Ed McMahon about a trip to the Sizzler being a big night out...
OK, I am showing my age a bit here...
Pretty_Penny
11-09-2009, 12:33 PM
LADIES:
As much as it may pain me to say it, Earl has every right to voice his opinion in this forum. It is the "customer conversation" forum afterall. You may not like his opinion, but so long as he isn't personally attacking anyone (which he has, but so have plenty of you, towards him) I don't think there's much "we" can do about it.
Besides, like it or not, Earl represents a large portion of the strip club customer population. I mean, just about everything he says and everything he lists as something he "looks for" in a dancer is extremely common customer behavior/preference. My advice to you, is that if you don't like what he has to say, ignore him.
He seems to be one of those guys that "gets off" on getting girls all pissed off anyway, so why keep letting him do it? He's playing a game he thinks he's already won because he "knows" how things are. Even if you don't agree with him, you aren't going to change it. So what's the point?
Personally, I know I deal with enough BS at work that when I'm sitting here on SW the last thing I want to do is bicker with a customer who wouldn't spend a dime on me if he were in my club anyway.
mediocrity
11-09-2009, 12:44 PM
^^ I see your point, but it doesn't make him any less revolting.
Pretty_Penny
11-09-2009, 12:47 PM
^^ I see your point, but it doesn't make him any less revolting.
Agreed, but it wasnt supposed to. We all meet guys like Earl doing what we do. I meet tons of "Earls" all the time. We, unfortunately, can't stop that from happening. Here or in the club.
laurcon
11-09-2009, 01:01 PM
What the fuck is a door girl? If I tip her she better grab my penis.
Gladly if she does a good job; that is what women at SC are there for.
Agreed, but it wasnt supposed to. We all meet guys like Earl doing what we do. I meet tons of "Earls" all the time. We, unfortunately, can't stop that from happening. Here or in the club.
the thing is... i don't meet guys like earl ever! i don't want him thinking that his nasty type is so common that he's a good guy comparably.
well whatever, he's going to think what he thinks and i'm not going to make a difference. you're right penny. its just such a shame to see this site go to shit because customers constantly call us whores who are just "wet holes". i just don't think we need that kind of input from customers on a support site. but i don't run it, so if that's how people prefer it, i heard there's a site for dancers only i'm going to check out.
Christyismyalias
11-09-2009, 01:59 PM
I don't think it's rare. I've worked at three clubs, and two of them reported our income.
If I didn't pay taxes I wouldn't be able invest or buy a car or house without raising suspicion. Actually, I don't think that I'd be able to buy a car or house at all without proof of income.
Agree. Most legit clubs require girls to claim income.. And most girls who treat the job professionally claim anyways b/c we do treat it as a business and yes--the IRS scares me too! lol
mediocrity
11-09-2009, 02:06 PM
the thing is... i don't meet guys like earl ever! i don't want him thinking that his nasty type is so common that he's a good guy comparably.
well whatever, he's going to think what he thinks and i'm not going to make a difference. you're right penny. its just such a shame to see this site go to shit because customers constantly call us whores who are just "wet holes". i just don't think we need that kind of input from customers on a support site. but i don't run it, so if that's how people prefer it, i heard there's a site for dancers only i'm going to check out.
I dont meet many men like Earl either- on the whole my customers are all sweet. Plus if I ever have a dude like him, I get my manager to kick him out, even for talking nasty. Disrespect and abuse is disrespect and abuse: physical or emotional.
I feel sorry for the guys! Relying on the generosity of "strippers" to make a living LOL!
Seriously this is an industry & if you think different then its not for you. Everyone can make very decent livings at well attended clubs.
If a bouncer introduces you to a client tip him 10 -15% of what you make from that customer he will soon be working harder to find you better paying customers.
The DJ is one of the most important people in the club his stage introduction alone can get you attention & subsequent tips & dances + if your a little sneaky he may help get your competition on stage when you most need it!
Phil-W
11-09-2009, 04:32 PM
Besides, like it or not, Earl represents a large portion of the strip club customer population. I mean, just about everything he says and everything he lists as something he "looks for" in a dancer is extremely common customer behavior/preference...
Substitute 'significant' for 'large' and unfortunately I have to agree with you. Over the last 10 years I have seen the customer demographic change in a strip club.
Once upon a time customers came in to look - because nudity had a rarity value. Now they come in to touch. And that's changed the clientele.
The wider male population would probably equate 'looking' as erotic entertainment. They would equate touching of the more intimate parts of a dancer with seediness. And that automatically impacts on the percentage of the total male population that is willing to come into strip venues.
More men would be prepared to come into a place offering 'erotic' as opposed to 'seedy' entertainment. So I think higher contact levels are killing stripping as a form of entertainment.
A few nights ago I went to a venue that is still a traditional strip venue. The couple that run it have run it for >20 years and it has remained a very clean establishment. The dancers have very strict rules to obey and the private dance booths are very closely watched on CCTV. There is very little contact and absolutely no extras in the place.
And guess what: the place is busier than the high contact places a 30 minute drive away - because it's regarded as a fun place to go to, rather than a sleazy one.
Phil.
Elvia
11-09-2009, 04:40 PM
LADIES:
As much as it may pain me to say it, Earl has every right to voice his opinion in this forum. It is the "customer conversation" forum afterall. You may not like his opinion, but so long as he isn't personally attacking anyone (which he has, but so have plenty of you, towards him) I don't think there's much "we" can do about it.
Besides, like it or not, Earl represents a large portion of the strip club customer population. I mean, just about everything he says and everything he lists as something he "looks for" in a dancer is extremely common customer behavior/preference. My advice to you, is that if you don't like what he has to say, ignore him.
He seems to be one of those guys that "gets off" on getting girls all pissed off anyway, so why keep letting him do it? He's playing a game he thinks he's already won because he "knows" how things are. Even if you don't agree with him, you aren't going to change it. So what's the point?
Personally, I know I deal with enough BS at work that when I'm sitting here on SW the last thing I want to do is bicker with a customer who wouldn't spend a dime on me if he were in my club anyway.
Maybe you didn't see what he wrote before he cleaned it up, but he called us all leeches. Yes, people do attack him personally too, but rarely without a hell of a lot of provocation.
I very rarely meet guys like Earl in the club, probably because people like him have to hide behind the anonymity of the internet and would never have the guts to behave in person the way he does here.
This may be CC but that shouldn't mean anything goes. This site is still a support forum for dancers, and there was a time when people who's contributions habitually undermined that objective were banned. I have no idea why the mods have decided to do away with a system that worked so well to make this a place that was indeed supportive where we didn't have to put up with having stereotypes constantly being thrown in our face and being called names just for being dancers.
Yeah, he obviously does get off on pissing people off and degrading dancers, and such people are called trolls. I don't really see why trolls need to be tolerated.
Elvia
11-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Update: Ok, I've just heard that Earl has been banned. Speaking for myself, I'd like to thank the mods, and apologize for suggesting that they didn't care about disruptive trolls.
mediocrity
11-09-2009, 04:51 PM
ME TOO.
Cyril next please? That's all I ask. No one else.
laurcon
11-09-2009, 04:52 PM
shut up really? finally!! i was just posting this to bitch about how i got an infraction and yet earl's degrading posts are fine. NM, i'll take my infraction if he's banned!! ;D
is it wrong to want to throw a party? like i literally feel like celebrating, like we got this board back. i can't believe how much one person really effed up the whole flow. it was really hard not to let his posts upset me sometimes :(
cyril i can deal with with the ignore feature.
Elvia
11-09-2009, 04:53 PM
^^^ I wish there was some way to start a petition.
Christyismyalias
11-09-2009, 06:11 PM
So I think higher contact levels are killing stripping as a form of entertainment.
Phil.
Well said. Well said.
Phil~Can I use this as my signature?
velvet
11-09-2009, 06:34 PM
LADIES:
As much as it may pain me to say it, Earl has every right to voice his opinion in this forum. It is the "customer conversation" forum afterall. You may not like his opinion, but so long as he isn't personally attacking anyone (which he has, but so have plenty of you, towards him) I don't think there's much "we" can do about it.
Besides, like it or not, Earl represents a large portion of the strip club customer population. I mean, just about everything he says and everything he lists as something he "looks for" in a dancer is extremely common customer behavior/preference. My advice to you, is that if you don't like what he has to say, ignore him.
He seems to be one of those guys that "gets off" on getting girls all pissed off anyway, so why keep letting him do it? He's playing a game he thinks he's already won because he "knows" how things are. Even if you don't agree with him, you aren't going to change it. So what's the point?
Personally, I know I deal with enough BS at work that when I'm sitting here on SW the last thing I want to do is bicker with a customer who wouldn't spend a dime on me if he were in my club anyway.
well that may be YOUR opinion, but guys like earl are why so many left this site and have not returned.
Pretty_Penny
11-09-2009, 06:44 PM
For the love of god, I wasn't defending him.
I'm merely stating that the way the site is run at this moment, he has every right to voice his opinion. This is the reason the dancer and customer forums were divided a couple years back. It's why customers can't post in the top forums on this board.
If you don't like it, go to the other site.
I don't like it it either, I'm just saying... What good is arguing with him going to do? THAT is the only point I was trying to make. You are giving him what he wants.
Elvia
11-09-2009, 06:49 PM
^^^actually, I think making a fuss about it did help. If no one had ever expressed anything that suggested they felt it was inappropriate, I doubt he would have been banned.
I don't think anyone said you were defending him. But I also don't think CC should mean anything goes. There's a lot of guys who's contributions I really enjoy and would like to hear more of, and it sucks that I have to forgo that and go to ladies only section if I'm not in a place to stomach being called names, degraded, or hear someone talk about he's getting off on desperate girls resorting to extras. We're better off without that.
Pretty_Penny
11-09-2009, 07:56 PM
I agree. I'm glad he was banned. I didn't think that would happen though, which is why I said what I said. I still think it's better just to complain directly to the moderators than argue with someone like him though.
This has become another discussion of certain members. Please stop it.
Back on topic, I see DJ's spinning songs trying to keep straight which dancer likes what type of music and bouncers hopefully keeping an eye out for the dancers safety. And even the bar backs bringing up the right cases of beer to keep up with customer demand. But, you know, I can't help from getting creeped out by those bathroom trolls. I mean, what kind of guy would want to make a living doing that?
FBR
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-09-2009, 10:05 PM
I think bathroom trolls are usually very unfortunate people. The guys I've seen have tended to be elderly and minority. Perhaps they do not have many marketable skills, and spent most of their lives in rather deplorable conditions, maybe even prison. Maybe they are disabled, but lost benefits and have to go back to work.
I always tip bathroom trolls, no matter how annoying they are. Yes, ladies have them too in some places, usually regular night clubs. In parts of Europe, all restrooms have a bathroom troll, and you must tip her on your way in or out. But its only like 50 cents, and they keep the bathroom really clean all night.
Actually, the BR trolls I have encountered were far from retirement. They seemed pretty agile when offering the hand soap and paper towels. But those toothy smiles (considering we were in the mens room for God's sake) were creepy. Plus, I couldn't help but wonder why they didn't have a real job to report to.
FBR
laurcon
11-09-2009, 10:28 PM
why do you call them bathroom trolls and not attendants? i don't get it. i can't stand when a place doesn't have an attendant and the bathroom is gross. they keep it so clean and nice, and have lots of things to help you, like gum or hairspray, or ciggs if i smoked them. i have no problem tipping them a dollar or two, or more. and i'm pretty sure they have a day job.
Elvia
11-09-2009, 10:31 PM
Plus, I couldn't help but wonder why they didn't have a real job to report to.
Wow, that seems pretty judgmental. I'm sure there's a lot of people who'll take whatever work they can get right now.
Wow, that seems pretty judgmental. I'm sure there's a lot of people who'll take whatever work they can get right now. It was judgmental but I'm just fine with taking a whiz, washing my hands and heading back out to the floor. On my own.
FBR
why do you call them bathroom trolls and not attendants? . I am old school. But if it makes you happy, in the future I will refer to them as attendants.
FBR
audrey_k
11-10-2009, 03:46 AM
The point here is not individual DJs but the nature of a profession which relies on taking cuts from women who have to take their clothes off for money. How do these men rationalize what they do? Majority of men that I know will have problem with taking cuts from a woman who made her buck in a very vulnerable condition - hustling nude.
Men are conditioned to give money to women not take from them. This is what makes me curious about the psyche of these men who work as DJs and bouncers at strip clubs.
Is this 2009 or are we back in the 1950s? Men are not ""conditioned to give money to women".... I sincerely hope we've moved above that. I can take care of myself better than any man can, thank you, and I don't appreciate what you're insinuating.
I anwsered your question Cyril; perhaps you are to dense to understand my response so allow me to explain. My bouncers and DJs provide me with services for which I tip them; these services allow me to do my job better and they assure my safety for which I am appreciative. And so no, it doesn't bother me if the person I am handing my dollars to has a penis or a vagina, only if they did their job well... which is why I stated that it would depend on the bouncer or DJ in my orignal post.
I find your "defense" to dancers quite insulting. You "speak" like dancers are poor defenseless little women when in fact I don't do anything I don't want to do, whether that's taking my clothes off or handing someone a tip. This is 2009 and I want to be seen and treated as equal to any man, and I will give the same in return... which means tipping someone for services rendered, no matter what their gender.
Laurisa
11-10-2009, 09:07 AM
Amen, audrey_k said it all. Strippers are not helpless and defenseless women, no one picked them up off the street and "sold them" to a club. They are there by their own accord.
Phil-W
11-10-2009, 10:11 AM
Phil~Can I use this as my signature?
Be my guest - I only wish I'd said something more profound.....
Phil.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 06:57 PM
The customers tip the door girl.
How do you feel about toilet trolls Cyril?
I do not have a strong feelings about them at the moment. That is why I did not include them in my scenario. They are certainly not a power-broker in the strip club. So, their existence is pretty much neutral unless some information emerges to contradict this.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 06:59 PM
Cyril, Ur a REAL dork, ya know that? You don't exactly know where any of us are coming from (DO YOU?) and really don't belong on this forum........when you get experience either dancing on stage and entertaining OR helping us out AND WORKING WITH US-, as a D.J or bouncer or manager does, then maybe you will have the intelligence to know that of which you speak about. ENOUGH SAID........
All right. Let us hear where you are coming from. Thanks!
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:14 PM
The manner they chose to make their living? A job is a job. They work hard they get paid, end of discussion. People say this type of thing about dancers and I say the same thing. Why is a male in a SC any different than any other job. What's wrong with it?
I give respect to those who deserve it, regardless of their job.
1- Most places tip out in a DJ booth or in the club, never ever in some shady parking lot scenario..
2- I made my money, and yes I worked hard for it, but without those male employees/the building itself I would not have had the opportunity to make that money. So I don't think anything when I tip them out, except that it is like a tax for my being able to use the club to get MY money.
You would never feel comfortable what? Coming into work, working hard, and getting paid for it?
I have never thought anything along these lines after working in this business 5 years, I've never felt the need to "rationalize such professions"... They work hard, I work hard, everyone works together and we all get paid.
And to add-- I never quite understand when the men on this site act like the people (male or female) in the business are doing something "wrong" and feel the need to rationalize everything... You are on a stripper support website on a frequent basis.. Look in the mirror before you start questioning/judging others.
There is a big difference between a male employee of a strip club who makes his living from tips outs and a CEO of a company; Society considers one dishonorable and another honorable respectively. I did not come up with this view. And, this is of not my creation.
I feel comfortable coming to the work I do. I work hard. I get paid. But I will not feel comfortable working as a DJ or a bouncer of a strip club. I can harden myself to face the infamy and social ridicule but I do not think I can ever bring myself up to taking cuts from women who have to take their clothes off for a dollar.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:20 PM
She did not like the color of my date. She got a nickle. I will not be extorted if they don't like it do something about it; please do try. I like to roll in the mud, the blood and the beer. It makes me feel alive.
Racism is a bad thing. Therefore, I commend you for standing up for your colored girl friend. Good job!
mediocrity
11-10-2009, 07:23 PM
Who says we HAVE to, Cyril? I chose to. It was the most expedient way for me to get money for my education. I'm out in five months- and will be getting a civilian job.
HAVE to implies no other options. I had/have options. This is just the most profitable one.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:25 PM
ME TOO.
Cyril next please? That's all I ask. No one else.
In my humble opinion. You deserve the disciplinary action more than Earl or anyone else.
Elvia
11-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Who says we HAVE to, Cyril? I chose to. It was the most expedient way for me to get money for my education. I'm out in five months- and will be getting a civilian job.
HAVE to implies no other options. I had/have options. This is just the most profitable one.
He knows that. He's just bitter and trying to put dancers as a whole down for having so thoroughly rejected him. You should have seen him yesterday before the mods deleted it.
Racism is a bad thing. Therefore, I commend you for standing up for your colored girl friend. Good job!
Haha, "colored."
Bad news about your buddy, BTW Cyril.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:28 PM
shut up really? finally!! i was just posting this to bitch about how i got an infraction and yet earl's degrading posts are fine. NM, i'll take my infraction if he's banned!! ;D
is it wrong to want to throw a party? like i literally feel like celebrating, like we got this board back. i can't believe how much one person really effed up the whole flow. it was really hard not to let his posts upset me sometimes :(
cyril i can deal with with the ignore feature.
You are implying that you could not resist Earl but you could resist me.
My feelings are hurt.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:32 PM
For the love of god, I wasn't defending him.
I'm merely stating that the way the site is run at this moment, he has every right to voice his opinion. This is the reason the dancer and customer forums were divided a couple years back. It's why customers can't post in the top forums on this board.
If you don't like it, go to the other site.
I don't like it it either, I'm just saying... What good is arguing with him going to do? THAT is the only point I was trying to make. You are giving him what he wants.
In my opinion, you are perhaps one of the sweetest stripper on this forum. I hope nothing forces you change your heart. You are a good example of physical and spiritual beauty.
WiseGuy_TX
11-10-2009, 07:34 PM
There is a big difference between a male employee of a strip club who makes his living from tips outs and a CEO of a company; Society considers one dishonorable and another honorable respectively. ...societies view of strip clubs has no bearing on a male employee getting paid for his work or a CEO getting paid for his work. They work, they get paid. Its irrelevant.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:35 PM
Actually, the BR trolls I have encountered were far from retirement. They seemed pretty agile when offering the hand soap and paper towels. But those toothy smiles (considering we were in the mens room for God's sake) were creepy. Plus, I couldn't help but wonder why they didn't have a real job to report to.
FBR
Now that I can recall, I remember in the pink of my youth when I used to frequent nightclubs in Los Angeles, these guys did have a weird smile; it always made me feel very uncomfortable. But since these guys do not exploit women in the strip clubs, I will leave them alone.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:36 PM
why do you call them bathroom trolls and not attendants? i don't get it. i can't stand when a place doesn't have an attendant and the bathroom is gross. they keep it so clean and nice, and have lots of things to help you, like gum or hairspray, or ciggs if i smoked them. i have no problem tipping them a dollar or two, or more. and i'm pretty sure they have a day job.
You do have a kind side. It just gets burried, I guess in the heated posts of yours.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:46 PM
Is this 2009 or are we back in the 1950s? Men are not ""conditioned to give money to women".... I sincerely hope we've moved above that. I can take care of myself better than any man can, thank you, and I don't appreciate what you're insinuating.
I anwsered your question Cyril; perhaps you are to dense to understand my response so allow me to explain. My bouncers and DJs provide me with services for which I tip them; these services allow me to do my job better and they assure my safety for which I am appreciative. And so no, it doesn't bother me if the person I am handing my dollars to has a penis or a vagina, only if they did their job well... which is why I stated that it would depend on the bouncer or DJ in my orignal post.
I find your "defense" to dancers quite insulting. You "speak" like dancers are poor defenseless little women when in fact I don't do anything I don't want to do, whether that's taking my clothes off or handing someone a tip. This is 2009 and I want to be seen and treated as equal to any man, and I will give the same in return... which means tipping someone for services rendered, no matter what their gender.
Well, see what happens when one night you do not tip your DJ. He will chase you to the parking lot and corner you. So, the point I am making is I am against forced tip outs. If a stripper voluntarily wants to to tip a DJ or bouncer then that is fine but they should not be forced to part with the money they earned under very vulnerable condition. A naked woman is going to be vulnerable. There is no doubt about it. Plus, she is going to be under stress while she remains naked. To make the matters worse, she will also have to deal with other emotional factors such as rejection, harassment, etc. A stripper's job is basically a collection of everything that could go wrong with a job.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:49 PM
He knows that. He's just bitter and trying to put dancers as a whole down for having so thoroughly rejected him. You should have seen him yesterday before the mods deleted it.
Haha, "colored."
Bad news about your buddy, BTW Cyril.
I guess this will be a collective accomplishment of this forum, the day you will learn that SW forum is not a high school.
WiseGuy_TX
11-10-2009, 07:52 PM
Well, see what happens when one night you do not tip your DJ. He will chase you to the parking lot and corner you. So, the point I am making is I am against forced tip outs. If a stripper voluntarily wants to to tip a DJ or bouncer then that is fine but they should not be forced to part with the money they earned under very vulnerable condition. A naked woman is going to be vulnerable. There is no doubt about it. Plus, she is going to be under stress while she remains naked. To make the matters worse, she will also have to deal with other emotional factors such as rejection, harassment, etc. A stripper's job is basically a collection of everything that could go wrong with a job....there are about 1000 hollywood movies with that plot line.:D
WiseGuy_TX
11-10-2009, 07:53 PM
I guess this will be a collective accomplishment of this forum, the day you will learn that SW forum is not a high school....nor a place for you to insult SW dancers.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 07:55 PM
...societies view of strip clubs has no bearing on a male employee getting paid for his work or a CEO getting paid for his work. They work, they get paid. Its irrelevant.
What are you trying to say?
All I am saying is this:
Society does not respect men who make their living off of sex workers. They are not regarded as successful men. They will not be given public accolade. Etc.
Would your mom and dad want you to become a DJ of a strip club?
Cyril
11-10-2009, 08:08 PM
Amen, audrey_k said it all. Strippers are not helpless and defenseless women, no one picked them up off the street and "sold them" to a club. They are there by their own accord.
It does not matter how a woman gets to a strip club. The point is, once she gets there she is vulnerable. She is controlled by powerful men such as DJs, bouncers and managers. These men are in a position to exploit strippers and many of them do.
I have read enough on this site to know that following happens in lots of strip clubs:
- Forced tip outs
- Forced sexual favors
Elvia
11-10-2009, 08:10 PM
^^^ forced sexual favors? I must have missed those posts.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 08:11 PM
^^^ forced sexual favors? I must have missed those posts.
I am not talking about overt physical force. I am talking about covert coercion.