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Elvia
11-10-2009, 08:15 PM
^^^ I must have missed those posts.
Cyril
11-10-2009, 08:16 PM
^^^ I must have missed those posts.
I guess you have missed a lot of things.
Elvia
11-10-2009, 08:18 PM
Or perhaps you're confused. As per usual ("colored"? really?)
WiseGuy_TX
11-10-2009, 08:19 PM
I am not talking about overt physical force. I am talking about covert coercion....but can you prove it?
WiseGuy_TX
11-10-2009, 08:21 PM
What are you trying to say?
All I am saying is this:
Society does not respect men who make their living off of sex workers. They are not regarded as successful men. They will not be given public accolade. Etc.
Would your mom and dad want you to become a DJ of a strip club?...this is what i'm saying: "societies view of strip clubs has no bearing on a male employee getting paid for his work or a CEO getting paid for his work."
laurcon
11-10-2009, 09:07 PM
...I do not think I can ever bring myself up to taking cuts from women who have to take their clothes off for a dollar.
this kind of moronic thinking is exactly what causes the dollars put on our club stage to stay there.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-10-2009, 10:46 PM
Well, see what happens when one night you do not tip your DJ. He will chase you to the parking lot and corner you.
That doesn't happen, I have never seen that happen. DJ is busy corralling the girls, getting the customers out, shutting down his system...no one chases anyone.
I have walked out of MULTIPLE clubs without paying anyone a cent when I feel that I have been slighted, and no one chased me for anything. I even came back to one of the clubs the next day, and they let me work, no questions asked. I just sheepishly apologized to the manager for having a temper tantrum over nothing. And they didn't ask me to pay for the night before.
However I DID work at one club that I considered exploitative (hint hint, it was owned by a little tiny company called Deja Vu ::)) And I showed my disdain by no longer giving them an opportunity to take my money, took mah business elsewhere.
So yes, there are exploitative clubs out there, just like in any industry, some companies treat their workers better than others.
ALSO, CALLING PEOPLE COLORED IN THIS DAY AND AGE IS OFFENSIVE. ITS LIKE CALLING AN ASIAN INDIVIDUAL "ORIENTAL". ARE YOU 70 OR SOMETHING?
Also, quick question you probably won't answer since its invasive...do you suffer from Aspergers or some type of autism?
Perry
11-11-2009, 07:27 AM
OMG :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I so want to tell the DJ, "Gotta catch me first!!" and take off sprinting!
They wouldn't chase me, but I've got this great mental picture of how crazy it would be. Almost as crazy as Cyril sounds.
yoda57us
11-11-2009, 07:39 AM
I am not talking about overt physical force. I am talking about covert coercion.
I hate to break this to you Cyril but covert sexual coercion goes on in the workplace all over the world all the time. If anything it is probably less prevalent in the strip clubs. Since they work in an overtly sexual environment dancers are far less likely to put up with this sort of subversive BS.
I know you don't go to strip clubs Cyril but sometimes I wonder if you have ever actually gone outside...
laurcon
11-11-2009, 09:59 AM
OMG :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I so want to tell the DJ, "Gotta catch me first!!" and take off sprinting!
LMAO! i love it.
I hate to break this to you Cyril but covert sexual coercion goes on in the workplace all over the world all the time. If anything it is probably less prevalent in the strip clubs. Since they work in an overtly sexual environment dancers are far less likely to put up with this sort of subversive BS.
I know you don't go to strip clubs Cyril but sometimes I wonder if you have ever actually gone outside...
:highfive:
Laurisa
11-11-2009, 10:15 AM
However I DID work at one club that I considered exploitative (hint hint, it was owned by a little tiny company called Deja Vu ::)) And I showed my disdain by no longer giving them an opportunity to take my money, took mah business elsewhere.
Why have several of the girls on here said that Deja Vu is an exploitative chain that takes too much money? It is the only clean club I've found around my area and I've been excited to audition, but now I'm wondering about how bad it might be. The girl I spoke to that currently works at Deja Vu in Ypsilanti, MI said that they take 1/3 of your lap dance fees and you keep all your tips. There aren't any mandatory tip outs. You have a $5 base rent fee as well. (Sell 5 dances on $15 dance night and you owe them $30, etc).
The VIP room prices are pretty reasonable and you keep way over half. I don't see what is so bad about that system? If every club takes a percentage of your LD and VIP fees anyway then what is Deja Vu doing that other, smaller clubs aren't? It sounds like a decent deal, you pay a percentage of what you've made but there isn't a ridiculous $60 house fee just to walk in there.
Am I missing something?
xdamage
11-11-2009, 11:48 AM
Cyril, did you read this?
Who says we HAVE to, Cyril? I chose to. It was the most expedient way for me to get money for my education. I'm out in five months- and will be getting a civilian job.
HAVE to implies no other options. I had/have options. This is just the most profitable one.
Our society is slowly, thankfully, evolving past the point of seeing women as 1/2 adults, able to make decisions, but not really really.
Women in our society (in the USA) are adults. Sans physical violence of course, they make decisions about that they think is best the same as we guys do. With that comes owning the decision, the good of it, the bad of it, just like we expect of guys. You keep painting these images of women unable to make choices, that nefarious men trick them into what to think. It is incredibly insulting since it requires assuming that they are not really quite as capable of choosing as men are, that men are super smart and always 100% in control, women are weak frail things that can't choose. We're trying to move past that old thinking.
Likewise, if you felt quandaries working in SCs then you shouldn't do it. Some people won't work in Casinos, or at Hooters, or selling guns, or sell cigarettes, etc., for various moral reasons. That is fine. You should choose as you see fit, but the SC employees made their choices. They don't feel any such quandary apparently or not enough to swing their choice to work in a SC. Their decision is made. Trust them as adults to be able to reverse it if they weigh the matter differently in the future.
Phil-W
11-11-2009, 12:43 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, the big fight of the night is here. In the blue corner we have Cyril and in the pink corner we have Reality.
Are you ready to RUMBLE..........
Ding, Ding - round 1.
And the contestants come out and touch gloves. And it's Reality punching first - a stiff jab of truth.....but no, Cyril's slipped it - smart footwork from the challenger. And now Cyril's punching back - a wild uppercut, but it's caught Reality unawares. Reality is looking a little dazed, maybe slightly out of touch with the real world.....
Continues for a further 10 rounds.....
Ding, Ding - 12th and final round.
And Cyril's up from his stool. A little bloodied and bruised maybe, but still grimly refusing to give into Reality. We're waiting for Reality to come to the centre of the ring and touch gloves for the last round.
Oh, my God, it's sensational - REALITY HAS THROWN IN THE TOWEL!!!!!
We have a new champion because Cyril has worn Reality down. You have to give Cyril credit for a bravura performance - what ever Reality threw at him, he was able to shrug off and keep coming back with blows of his own.
So lets hear it for the new champion - CYRIL!!!!!!!
Phil. }:D
JayATee
11-11-2009, 01:15 PM
Hey... here's a thought, stop asking us stupid questions bc if you knew ANYTHING at all about SC's you wouldn't have to ask. God, ignorance is bliss in your case isn't it?::)
yoda57us
11-11-2009, 02:21 PM
OMG :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
I so want to tell the DJ, "Gotta catch me first!!" and take off sprinting!
They wouldn't chase me, but I've got this great mental picture of how crazy it would be. Almost as crazy as Cyril sounds.
This should go into the stripper Olympics thread!
Christyismyalias
11-11-2009, 04:49 PM
Be my guest - I only wish I'd said something more profound.....
Phil.
you just put it so well. And coming from a man.. :)
Christyismyalias
11-11-2009, 04:56 PM
There is a big difference between a male employee of a strip club who makes his living from tips outs and a CEO of a company; Society considers one dishonorable and another honorable respectively.
Society is also very hypoctritical, so "society's" opinion doesn't matter much to me...
I feel comfortable coming to the work I do. I work hard. I get paid. But I will not feel comfortable working as a DJ or a bouncer of a strip club. I can harden myself to face the infamy and social ridicule but I do not think I can ever bring myself up to taking cuts from women who have to take their clothes off for a dollar.
Yet you are on a stripper website having discussions with these poor women and the evil men who take money from them..... Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Laurisa
11-11-2009, 05:52 PM
There is a big difference between a male employee of a strip club who makes his living from tips outs and a CEO of a company; Society considers one dishonorable and another honorable respectively. I did not come up with this view. And, this is of not my creation.
I feel comfortable coming to the work I do. I work hard. I get paid. But I will not feel comfortable working as a DJ or a bouncer of a strip club. I can harden myself to face the infamy and social ridicule but I do not think I can ever bring myself up to taking cuts from women who have to take their clothes off for a dollar.
I think a better way to phrase your initial sentence would be:
There is no difference between a male employee of a strip club who makes his living from tips outs and a CEO of a company; religion and overbearing Americans just happen to consider one dishonorable and another honorable respectively.
I'm fairly certain that the dancers on this forum and across clubs nationwide are comfortable going to work, if they weren't they probably wouldn't last long. They work hard and get paid, and I'm sure they don't care if you would ever consider being a DJ or a bouncer at a strip club. I also do not believe that these women take their clothes off "for a dollar", it is a far different principle than how simplistic you've made it seem. These women are selling a service, and that service is their time which typically involves some type of nude dance.
I think the only person that I have been in contact with today who viewed stripping and strip club employees as 'dishonorable or shameful' was you.
velvet
11-11-2009, 08:18 PM
For the love of god, I wasn't defending him.
I'm merely stating that the way the site is run at this moment, he has every right to voice his opinion. This is the reason the dancer and customer forums were divided a couple years back. It's why customers can't post in the top forums on this board.
If you don't like it, go to the other site.
I don't like it it either, I'm just saying... What good is arguing with him going to do? THAT is the only point I was trying to make. You are giving him what he wants.
yeah you kinda were defending him in a way.i dont argue with these trolls so maybe your post was half directed at me (if i dont like it go to the other site, nice attitude btw) and the other half was directed at the ones that dont feel like being abused in a place that is supposed to be for dancers.
Cyril
11-11-2009, 08:29 PM
Yet you are on a stripper website having discussions with these poor women and the evil men who take money from them..... Don't you have anything better to do with your time?
Why would I not want to have discussion with strippers? In my world, they have done nothing wrong. I think you must be missing the point of this thread.
Let me summarize.
Strippers in a strip club are not the power brokers. The power brokers in strip clubs are managers, bouncers and DJs. Managers can fire you if they do not get what they want. Bouncers are physically strong; they can refuse to protect you if they do not get what they want. DJs can mess up your stage rotation negatively if they do not get what they want.
What they want could be money (tip outs) or sex (this is where the coercion comes in).
So first, strippers are exploited by customers who watch them for free because many customers may have nothing left after paying entrance fee, then they are exploited by male employees of strip clubs. Of course all customers and male employees are not leeches. Many of them have a sense of fair play.
The way strip clubs operate today is bad for strippers. Their interests are not protected and many of them do not even realize this.
Elvia
11-11-2009, 08:33 PM
thank god the man who never goes to strip clubs is here to enlighten them.
Cyril
11-11-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm fairly certain that the dancers on this forum and across clubs nationwide are comfortable going to work, if they weren't they probably wouldn't last long.
Yes. Dancers would feel comfortable going to work. But how about DJs or bouncers?
Are you denying that there is a social stigma attached to men who make their living from women sex workers?
How many DJs do you know who would proudly admit in a social gathering that he is a DJ at a strip club? I am certain large number of them keep it under the hood.
Let me ask you this.
Would you prefer your son become an astronaut or a strip club DJ?
Bob_Loblaw
11-11-2009, 08:46 PM
I am not trying to judge anyone
Sorry Cyril but you've made it abundantly clear through this thread alone that you are ignorant, uninformed, and allow your thinking to be ruled by stereotypes. For example:
What goes through your mind when you have to give your hard earned wrinkled dollars in the dark of a strip club’s parking lot to a DJ or a bouncer?
DJs simply change the CDs.
Men are conditioned to give money to women not take from them.
I am one of those men who feel they have to stick up for weak.
...
I feel there is something very unfortunate about strippers.
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exploitation of vulnerable women
What is a funny money?
Knowledge is power.Did you really just state that?!
Racism is a bad thing. Therefore, I commend you for standing up for your colored girl friend. Good job!
Well, see what happens when one night you do not tip your DJ. He will chase you to the parking lot and corner you.
...
A stripper's job is basically a collection of everything that could go wrong with a job.
She is controlled by powerful men such as DJs, bouncers and managers. These men are in a position to exploit strippers and many of them do.
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- Forced sexual favors
Despite claiming to be open minded, you continually disregard and scoff at the opinions and facts provided by those most qualified to comment. When you are the lone voice out of one hundred, at what point do you start to consider the possibility that it is in fact you that has a flawed perspective of reality? All you're doing is pissing into the wind and getting it all over yourself. Clean yourself up.
Cyril
11-11-2009, 08:48 PM
I hate to break this to you Cyril but covert sexual coercion goes on in the workplace all over the world all the time. If anything it is probably less prevalent in the strip clubs. Since they work in an overtly sexual environment dancers are far less likely to put up with this sort of subversive BS.
I know you don't go to strip clubs Cyril but sometimes I wonder if you have ever actually gone outside...
If you are saying that exploitation of women strippers at a strip club is comparable to exploitation of women employee at a bank then you are in serious error.
There are many legal and procedural constraints to ensure that exploitation of female employees of bank do not occur. But the most curious aspect of this scenario is people's expectation; people do not expect to receive sexual favors from normal civilian women, which is not true for strippers.
Cyril
11-11-2009, 08:55 PM
When you are the lone voice out of one hundred, at what point do you start to consider the possibility that it is in fact you that has a flawed perspective of reality? All you're doing is pissing into the wind and getting it all over yourself. Clean yourself up.
The statement above may be true for many scenarios but not this one. The majority can be and is often wrong. It is not worth my time to be resonating what everyone else is saying on this board. I am trying to come up with new ideas and thoughts.
yoda57us
11-11-2009, 09:18 PM
There are many legal and procedural constraints to ensure that exploitation of female employees of bank do not occur. But the most curious aspect of this scenario is people's expectation; people do not expect to receive sexual favors from normal civilian women, which is not true for strippers.
Cyril what the fuck are you talking about? Huge national and international corporations have entire departments devoted to identifying sexual harassment in the work place, training women to deal with it and ultimately trying to prevent it. If it was not a problem companies would not invest in time and manpower to deal with it. Furthermore, any woman in any occupation is protected from sexual harassment in the workplace by our legal system. The misguided expectations of some customers do not make strippers exempt from protection under the law.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-11-2009, 09:43 PM
Why have several of the girls on here said that Deja Vu is an exploitative chain that takes too much money? It is the only clean club I've found around my area and I've been excited to audition, but now I'm wondering about how bad it might be.
Each and every Vu is different, its a franchise enterprise, so whoever runs the club can conduct business as he sees fit. NOTHING, AND I MEAN NOTHING, is consistent in the strip club industry. Clubs are night and day depending on region and local laws. There is no national ANYTHING. The only thing that SC's have in common is that there will be ladies, in various stages of undress, dancing somewhere at some point or other.
I've worked at 2 or 3 Vu clubs, and only walked out of one of them. It was relatively clean, but I don't so much care about a club being super clean. I care about management not making me put all of my money in a little mini-lock box purse, then pulling out as much as they see fit at the end of the night.
I'd rather walk into a club and pay them $40 house fee...then have some asshole decide how much he wants to charge me at the end of the night, based on his whim. Especially when its really tough to make money at this place. Dirty clubs are no problem for me, I'm tough stuff.
Laurisa, darling, you really need to experience some clubs firsthand and stop relying on Stripperweb so much. Otherwise, you will be in for a HUGE shock when you start.
I guarantee it, plz, take my advice.....
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-11-2009, 09:49 PM
Why have several of the girls on here said that Deja Vu is an exploitative chain that takes too much money? It is the only clean club I've found around my area and I've been excited to audition, but now I'm wondering about how bad it might be. The girl I spoke to that currently works at Deja Vu in Ypsilanti, MI said that they take 1/3 of your lap dance fees and you keep all your tips. There aren't any mandatory tip outs. You have a $5 base rent fee as well. (Sell 5 dances on $15 dance night and you owe them $30, etc).
The VIP room prices are pretty reasonable and you keep way over half. I don't see what is so bad about that system? If every club takes a percentage of your LD and VIP fees anyway then what is Deja Vu doing that other, smaller clubs aren't? It sounds like a decent deal, you pay a percentage of what you've made but there isn't a ridiculous $60 house fee just to walk in there.
Am I missing something?
EDIT: wait, its only $5 total base rent....never mind. Oops. Vu still sucks. Wait until you have to dance to "Girls, Girls, Girls" 9 times a night, for half-price, and you have to sell custies lame t-shirts. And if you don't sell them you have to buy them yourself.
And don't even get me started on cattle calls to the stage..
Finally, its always good to build the "social capital" at your club, so the manager will waive your house fee if you had a bad night.
Elvia
11-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Why have several of the girls on here said that Deja Vu is an exploitative chain that takes too much money? It is the only clean club I've found around my area and I've been excited to audition, but now I'm wondering about how bad it might be. The girl I spoke to that currently works at Deja Vu in Ypsilanti, MI said that they take 1/3 of your lap dance fees and you keep all your tips. There aren't any mandatory tip outs. You have a $5 base rent fee as well. (Sell 5 dances on $15 dance night and you owe them $30, etc).
The VIP room prices are pretty reasonable and you keep way over half. I don't see what is so bad about that system? If every club takes a percentage of your LD and VIP fees anyway then what is Deja Vu doing that other, smaller clubs aren't? It sounds like a decent deal, you pay a percentage of what you've made but there isn't a ridiculous $60 house fee just to walk in there.
Am I missing something?
Don't forget to ask about the fines. They're notorious for fining dancers for every little thing.
WiseGuy_TX
11-11-2009, 10:51 PM
The way strip clubs operate today is bad for strippers. Their interests are not protected and many of them do not even realize this....irrelevant due to your lack of experience, understanding or reality.
I am certain large number of them keep it under the hood....another baseless opinion. No proof or qualifications whatsoever to make that claim.
people do not expect to receive sexual favors from normal civilian women, which is not true for strippers....another baseless opinion. No proof or qualifications whatsoever to make that claim.
It is not worth my time to be resonating what everyone else is saying on this board. ...but its worth your time to insult and harrass SW members who have the experience and understanding you lack.
Johnny Wood
11-12-2009, 12:44 AM
To all the members of this website who want Cyril to go away or be banned please read:
This guy is pretending to be ignorant, uninfromed or naive. If you read his posts carefully it is obvious that he takes a great deal of time and thought into thinking up the most antagonistic and ridiculous statements that will illicit the most response possible.
I readily admit I was caught off guard, and responded with logic and my own personal knowledge of strip clubs to try and educate this individual. Many of you have done the same and as you can see from his numerous posts, this is pointless.
This strange and curious person derives immense pleasure from getting any response to his ridiculous posts, to indulge him only encourages this behavior. He is too clever to use outright profanity or excessive insults to get banned from this site.
We are wasting valuable time and energy trying to enlighten someone who would never admit to being wrong, even when it is obvoius that he is.
So how do we make this problem better... easy JUST IGNORE HIM.
That's right, simply refuse to respond to his posts.
My guess is if we all actually ignored him he would probably lose his mind.
Join me in the Ignore Cyril Campaign.
Thank you for listening.
laurcon
11-12-2009, 02:41 AM
To all the members of this website who want Cyril to go away or be banned please read:
This guy is pretending to be ignorant, uninfromed or naive. If you read his posts carefully it is obvious that he takes a great deal of time and thought into thinking up the most antagonistic and ridiculous statements that will illicit the most response possible.
I readily admit I was caught off guard, and responded with logic and my own personal knowledge of strip clubs to try and educate this individual. Many of you have done the same and as you can see from his numerous posts, this is pointless.
This strange and curious person derives immense pleasure from getting any response to his ridiculous posts, to indulge him only encourages this behavior. He is too clever to use outright profanity or excessive insults to get banned from this site.
We are wasting valuable time and energy trying to enlighten someone who would never admit to being wrong, even when it is obvoius that he is.
So how do we make this problem better... easy JUST IGNORE HIM.
That's right, simply refuse to respond to his posts.
My guess is if we all actually ignored him he would probably lose his mind.
Join me in the Ignore Cyril Campaign.
Thank you for listening.
done! :highfive:
Cyril
11-12-2009, 07:53 PM
Cyril what the fuck are you talking about? Huge national and international corporations have entire departments devoted to identifying sexual harassment in the work place, training women to deal with it and ultimately trying to prevent it. If it was not a problem companies would not invest in time and manpower to deal with it. Furthermore, any woman in any occupation is protected from sexual harassment in the workplace by our legal system. The misguided expectations of some customers do not make strippers exempt from protection under the law.
That is correct; there are many companies that have created departments to deal with sexual harassment. Have you seen a single strip club which has department for dealing with sexual harassment?
I am not saying it is legal but people do expect loose behaviors from strippers - especially the power brokers at strip clubs.
Cyril
11-12-2009, 07:57 PM
...irrelevant due to your lack of experience, understanding or reality.
...another baseless opinion. No proof or qualifications whatsoever to make that claim.
...another baseless opinion. No proof or qualifications whatsoever to make that claim.
...but its worth your time to insult and harrass SW members who have the experience and understanding you lack.
None of your rebuttal is valid because I have not seen even a single member of this website who would rather his son become a DJ than an aerospace engineer?
So, I am on a solid ground. It is you who is on a flimsy ground.
Let me ask you again. Would your mom and dad be proud of you if you were a strip club DJ?
Cyril
11-12-2009, 08:04 PM
To all the members of this website who want Cyril to go away or be banned please read:
This guy is pretending to be ignorant, uninfromed or naive. If you read his posts carefully it is obvious that he takes a great deal of time and thought into thinking up the most antagonistic and ridiculous statements that will illicit the most response possible.
I readily admit I was caught off guard, and responded with logic and my own personal knowledge of strip clubs to try and educate this individual. Many of you have done the same and as you can see from his numerous posts, this is pointless.
This strange and curious person derives immense pleasure from getting any response to his ridiculous posts, to indulge him only encourages this behavior. He is too clever to use outright profanity or excessive insults to get banned from this site.
We are wasting valuable time and energy trying to enlighten someone who would never admit to being wrong, even when it is obvoius that he is.
So how do we make this problem better... easy JUST IGNORE HIM.
That's right, simply refuse to respond to his posts.
My guess is if we all actually ignored him he would probably lose his mind.
Join me in the Ignore Cyril Campaign.
Thank you for listening.
I consider your response to be truly unfortunate and counterproductive to the issue at hand.
If you are a club DJ, it is a good time for you to construct some brilliant posts that can serve as an apology towards your profession.
Why is the profession of strip club DJs or bouncers not respected by the society? Will you proclaim in a social gathering that you work as a strip club DJ?
My point lies in the questions that I have asked you and WiseGuy.
A piece of advise for you:
Be brave and learn to face the adversary fair and square.
WiseGuy_TX
11-12-2009, 11:00 PM
To all the members of this website who want Cyril to go away or be banned please read:
This guy is pretending to be ignorant, uninfromed or naive. If you read his posts carefully it is obvious that he takes a great deal of time and thought into thinking up the most antagonistic and ridiculous statements that will illicit the most response possible.
I readily admit I was caught off guard, and responded with logic and my own personal knowledge of strip clubs to try and educate this individual. Many of you have done the same and as you can see from his numerous posts, this is pointless.
This strange and curious person derives immense pleasure from getting any response to his ridiculous posts, to indulge him only encourages this behavior. He is too clever to use outright profanity or excessive insults to get banned from this site.
We are wasting valuable time and energy trying to enlighten someone who would never admit to being wrong, even when it is obvoius that he is.
So how do we make this problem better... easy JUST IGNORE HIM.
That's right, simply refuse to respond to his posts.
My guess is if we all actually ignored him he would probably lose his mind.
Join me in the Ignore Cyril Campaign.
Thank you for listening......
yoda57us
11-12-2009, 11:20 PM
I am not saying it is legal but people do expect loose behaviors from strippers - especially the power brokers at strip clubs.
And I'm saying that what people expect is irrelevant. Furthermore, what a dancer does with a paying customer to make a living is not the same thing as being pressured or harassed by a club employee or manager.
You keep trying to claim some sort of moral high ground yet all you are doing here is promoting another stereotype. You seem to be really good at that...
bem401
11-13-2009, 06:43 AM
That is correct; there are many companies that have created departments to deal with sexual harassment. Have you seen a single strip club which has department for dealing with sexual harassment?
I am not saying it is legal but people do expect loose behaviors from strippers - especially the power brokers at strip clubs.
And you know this because of your extensive experience in strip clubs I suppose? I was discussing this very topic with one of my dancer friends who is wired into everything that goes on at the club I visit and she laughed at the the thought of it. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere but I think you've watched one too many episodes of The Sopranos or seen too many TV movies.
To a certain extent, the girls know to expect some sexual harrassment from the customers but that is the nature of the business and doesn't constitute coercion.
As far as people's expectations are concerned, we ( well, everyone but you ) all face stigmatization by virtue of the fact that we have involvement in this industry either as a worker or a patron. None of the dancers with whom I associate fit the societal stereotypes of dancers, at least not when they are outside the club. You would be surprised how ordinary ( and sometimes boring ) their lives are outside the club.
Perry
11-13-2009, 06:47 AM
Just swing the ban hammer already!
audrey_k
11-13-2009, 10:07 AM
Well, see what happens when one night you do not tip your DJ. He will chase you to the parking lot and corner you. So, the point I am making is I am against forced tip outs. If a stripper voluntarily wants to to tip a DJ or bouncer then that is fine but they should not be forced to part with the money they earned under very vulnerable condition. A naked woman is going to be vulnerable. There is no doubt about it. Plus, she is going to be under stress while she remains naked. To make the matters worse, she will also have to deal with other emotional factors such as rejection, harassment, etc. A stripper's job is basically a collection of everything that could go wrong with a job.
That motherfucker can chase me all he wants, I’ll just ask the bouncer who walks me to my car and is twice his size to kick his ass for me.
This is something from a cartoon, Cyril. DJs chasing girls to their cars??? Are you fucking kidding me?
No club is going to FORCE a stripper to tip, that’s why it’s a tip, not a FEE. They are not going to chase you to your car. They are not going to leave you threatening voicemails or send you hate mail. They are not going to leave dirty g-strings and condoms outside your front door.
I am not a vulnerable woman at work and once again that is SO FUCKING INSULTING. I have never felt a demeaned by ANY male employee as your posts make me feel. Do you really think I am that weak of a person? Because if you do, you are sorrily misinformed. I am not vulnerable at work, being naked does not make me vulnerable. Strippers are STRONG WOMEN, not weak vulnerable defenseless little girls being forced to take their clothes off and do sexual favors for customers. Strippers put up with more bullshit than your ass ever could and we’re not retarded, if we didn’t like our jobs we would QUIT and do something else. Seriously, do you realize how insulting your posts are?
I honestly don’t even know why you post on this board, you should just go on a blog and write out your shit there. You don’t want tto engage in discussion—you make this post spouting this opinion but not ONE girl on this board has even come close to agreeing with you… everyone is telling you you’re wrong and they don’t feel the way you’re telling them they should, and you just keep saying the same fucking thing and not even taking into CONSIDERATION that you just might be even a LITTLE OFF. It’s annoying and just insulting Cyril, the rest of us live in this industry and you’re going to tell us we’re wrong and don’t know what we’re talking about? I’m at a strip club five nights out of the week dude, when was the last time you walked into one?
Cyril
11-14-2009, 12:17 PM
To a certain extent, the girls know to expect some sexual harrassment from the customers but that is the nature of the business and doesn't constitute coercion.
You have grabbed the wrong end of the tail. The issue we are discussing on this thread is exploitation of strippers by male employees of a strip club. PLs do not exploit strippers the way male employees of strip clubs do. The worst that PLs can get away with is watching a free show. And, even that is not free form the PL's perspective.
Who are the power brokers inside a strip club?
They are managers, DJs and bouncers.
Cyril
11-14-2009, 12:30 PM
That motherfucker can chase me all he wants, I’ll just ask the bouncer who walks me to my car and is twice his size to kick his ass for me.
This is something from a cartoon, Cyril. DJs chasing girls to their cars??? Are you fucking kidding me?
No club is going to FORCE a stripper to tip, that’s why it’s a tip, not a FEE. They are not going to chase you to your car. They are not going to leave you threatening voicemails or send you hate mail. They are not going to leave dirty g-strings and condoms outside your front door.
I am not a vulnerable woman at work and once again that is SO FUCKING INSULTING. I have never felt a demeaned by ANY male employee as your posts make me feel. Do you really think I am that weak of a person? Because if you do, you are sorrily misinformed. I am not vulnerable at work, being naked does not make me vulnerable. Strippers are STRONG WOMEN, not weak vulnerable defenseless little girls being forced to take their clothes off and do sexual favors for customers. Strippers put up with more bullshit than your ass ever could and we’re not retarded, if we didn’t like our jobs we would QUIT and do something else. Seriously, do you realize how insulting your posts are?
I honestly don’t even know why you post on this board, you should just go on a blog and write out your shit there. You don’t want tto engage in discussion—you make this post spouting this opinion but not ONE girl on this board has even come close to agreeing with you… everyone is telling you you’re wrong and they don’t feel the way you’re telling them they should, and you just keep saying the same fucking thing and not even taking into CONSIDERATION that you just might be even a LITTLE OFF. It’s annoying and just insulting Cyril, the rest of us live in this industry and you’re going to tell us we’re wrong and don’t know what we’re talking about? I’m at a strip club five nights out of the week dude, when was the last time you walked into one?
You wrote a post which is basically one mile long telling me that I am wrong. But you never bothered to tell me what I am wrong about.
OK. You may not be vulnerable for some reason. Although I do not know what that reason could be. But let us assume that you are not vulnerable. Does this mean every stripper out there is not vulnerable? Women are at disadvantage in terms of sexual vulnerability. You ladies feel stressed out about getting naked. You ladies feel stressed out about people touching your boobs. I mean the list is long. And, yet you are saying that you do not feel vulnerable. I have hard time buying that contention.
Cyril
11-14-2009, 12:35 PM
And I'm saying that what people expect is irrelevant. Furthermore, what a dancer does with a paying customer to make a living is not the same thing as being pressured or harassed by a club employee or manager.
You keep trying to claim some sort of moral high ground yet all you are doing here is promoting another stereotype. You seem to be really good at that...
I am not advancing any stereotypes.
I have recognized following issues:
- Male employees of strip clubs such as DJs are not respected by the society because they survive on getting cuts from vulnerable sex workers
- There are three main power brokers inside a strip club - Manager, DJ and Bouncer
- The way strip clubs are modeled provides for perfect exploitation of strippers
Those are valid issues worth discussing.
yoda57us
11-14-2009, 02:04 PM
I have recognized following issues:
- Male employees of strip clubs such as DJs are not respected by the society because they survive on getting cuts from vulnerable sex workers
- There are three main power brokers inside a strip club - Manager, DJ and Bouncer
- The way strip clubs are modeled provides for perfect exploitation of strippers
Those are valid issues worth discussing.
LMOA! Cyril, what you have done is made three assumptions that are not realities any place other than in your very fertile but clueless imagination...
Again, if you actually went in to a strip club you might understand this but why bother with reality when your imagination serves you so well....
Cyril
11-14-2009, 02:35 PM
LMOA! Cyril, what you have done is made three assumptions that are not realities any place other than in your very fertile but clueless imagination...
Again, if you actually went in to a strip club you might understand this but why bother with reality when your imagination serves you so well....
Let us pick one of the points I made - Manager, DJs and Bouncer form an axis of power brokers inside a strip club.
On what ground do you disagree with me? Who are the power brokers inside a strip club if not those three?
Phil-W
11-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Cyril,
Your strictures on strip clubs are about as useful and as well informed as a virgin describing his/her favourite sexual position.
Phil.
Cyril
11-14-2009, 03:10 PM
Cyril,
Your strictures on strip clubs are about as useful and as well informed as a virgin describing his/her favourite sexual position.
Phil.
Your post is absurd.
Here is why:
You are not tackling the issue. You are tackling Cyril.
Earl_the_Pearl
11-14-2009, 04:02 PM
You are not tackling the issue. You are tackling Cyril.
Argumentum ad hominem
Cyril
11-14-2009, 04:14 PM
Argumentum ad hominem
Welcome back. Glad to see you are alive and well.
By the way, Argumentum ad hominem does not hold true in this case because whether I go to a strip club or not has no bearing on who the power brokers of a strip clubs are.
So, far no one has presented the alternatives to what I have presented.
Managers, DJs and bouncers are the axis of power brokers at a strip club. If you do not agree then present an alternative.
WiseGuy_TX
11-14-2009, 05:48 PM
Managers, DJs and bouncers are the axis of power brokers at a strip club. If you do not agree then present an alternative....you are imagining what your dream girls employees are like and which you would have no control over. You dont have the intellect to prove your "power broker" opinion to us, btw.:D