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Cyril
11-14-2009, 08:18 PM
...you are imagining what your dream girls employees are like and which you would have no control over. You dont have the intellect to prove your "power broker" opinion to us, btw.:D

The issue here is you lack intellect to understand the theory of power brokers and its potential for exploitation of vulnerable strippers. Now, wipe that grin, par favor. It is a serious thread.

WiseGuy_TX
11-14-2009, 08:25 PM
The issue here is you lack intellect to understand the theory of power brokers and its potential for exploitation of vulnerable strippers. Now, wipe that grin, par favor. It is a serious thread....you failed to prove your opinion which is understandable. I had such hope.

Cyril
11-14-2009, 08:27 PM
...you failed to prove your opinion which is understandable. I had such hope.

Are you trying to disrupt the thread? If so, I would request that admins take appropriate action against you. I would kindly request that please do not derail the forum. If you do not have anything constructive to say, stay out.

I am in the process of summarizing the issue and you are distracting me.

WiseGuy_TX
11-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Are you trying to disrupt the thread? If so, I would request that admins take appropriate action against you. I would kindly request that please do not derail the forum. If you do not have anything constructive to say, stay out.

I am in the process of summarizing the issue and you are distracting me....so says the master thread derailer and SW dancer insulter.

yoda57us
11-14-2009, 09:48 PM
Let us pick one of the points I made - Manager, DJs and Bouncer form an axis of power brokers inside a strip club.

On what ground do you disagree with me? Who are the power brokers inside a strip club if not those three?

There are no "power brokers" Cyril. Managers, DJ's and bouncers all have a job to do just as barmaids, waitresses and dancers do. Your imaginary pyramid of power is meaningless as you insist on portraying dancers as something they are not-weak and powerless.

All of your arguments are pointless because you are basing them on what you perceive to be reality, not what actually goes on inside of a strip club.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-14-2009, 09:53 PM
...so says the master thread derailer and SW dancer insulter.
And who in your opinion would be the Grand Master? ::)

Earl_the_Pearl
11-14-2009, 09:55 PM
There are no "power brokers"
Then why do owners and managers get free BJs in the office?

yoda57us
11-14-2009, 11:40 PM
Then why do owners and managers get free BJs in the office?

You hanging out at the Badda Bing Earl?

chris91
11-14-2009, 11:47 PM
How many DJs do you know who would proudly admit in a social gathering that he is a DJ at a strip club? I am certain large number of them keep it under the hood.

You are wrong. Every dj that I have ever known has been proud of his job, and would shout it from the rooftops if he could.

Men are not generally looked down upon by society for working in strip clubs. That's why you don't see tyra banks doing shows about strip club djs. It would be too difficult to edit the footage and make them look stupid or weak.

Djs also do not have any real power over the dancers. Some of them think they do, but they don't. They have power over my music sure, but I have power over their income. That balances things out nicely.

Have you ever met a strip club dj? Of course not. Maybe djoser will show up and school you on this issue. I seriously doubt that he has ever chased a girl into a dark parking lot. If a dj did that to me, he would only not notice the pepper spray in his eyes because of the pain in his kicked nuts. I am no delicate flower, my friend.

bem401
11-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Managers, DJs and bouncers are the axis of power brokers at a strip club. If you do not agree then present an alternative.

Again, how do you know this? The only undisputable power player in a club is the owner, and sometimes even they answer to someone. I know of one dancer who didn't like the "new" dance pricing policy at her club a few years ago. She told them she was leaving. They changed it back to placate her and maybe a few others I suppose. I also had a bouncer once try to throw me out only to have the manager tell him no, so apparently he had less power than you think or there was less of an axis of power than you think.

As I said earlier, you've watched too many movies.

SerenaSin
11-16-2009, 10:46 AM
Ladies,

What goes through your mind when you have to give your hard earned wrinkled dollars in the dark of a strip club’s parking lot to a DJ or a bouncer?


HAHAHA. What goes through my mind? "Hey WTF am I doing handling cash in a dark parking lot late at night this is probably a bad idea"




Do you do the tip outs right in front of customers in the club? Please describe how do you carry out the tip outs?

Um I hand him the cash while he's sitting in the DJ booth. Or near the bar/near the front desk chatting w/ other employees in between songs. Or when he's in the DR. Or when he's out on the floor. Who cares where one does it? It's no secret some of our money goes to the house. I tell customers about it. The DJ tells the crowd about it. On weekends a customer hands me $ from a dance and I take $7 or $8 out of every dance I did and hand it over directly to the manager who sits outside the VIP area and he counts the cash and writes it in the book. In fact I like the fact that all this is visible so it makes it obvious to customers that yes we do pay to work here, and we tip out other staff members, so customers gain a sense of appreciation for our work and tip us extra for dances.



Do you feel resentment towards DJs and bouncers whom you are forced to tip?

No.




In the case of bouncers, they keep you safe but DJs simply change the CDs.

My club DJ works his ass off for me, he deserves everything I give him. I often overtip him in fact.




Do you feel blackmailed by DJs? Meaning, if you do not tip them the kind of amount they want, they do not play the kind of music that will make you money.

I think the waitress metaphor is an apt one. I don't feel blackmailed into tipping a waitress w/ the threat of her spitting in my food next time.





But no, I don't actually think too highly of the tip out system. I think the club should just pay their staff a living wage, as I think all industries should.

I'm also against the house fee, and I think dancers should be paid a wage and be allowed to keep all our tips.

I agree with all this.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-16-2009, 07:07 PM
You hanging out at the Badda Bing Earl?
There is a bar that is small and tucked away in rural New Jersey. The owner is old and not in good health. His son now 98% runs it. This son could not hold a job as a labor but now he runs a go-go bar. It is well known that the dancers that go into his basement office get the best bookings; no bookings are now paid BTW, and can extend their time in private dance without having to give the house a cut.

Earl_the_Pearl
11-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Men are not generally looked down upon by society for working in strip clubs. That's why you don't see tyra banks doing shows about strip club djs. It would be too difficult to edit the footage and make them look stupid or weak.


She doesn't do shows on PLs ether because if one is a PL in a SC :highfive:; it is our birthright.

Lola_sinn
11-17-2009, 01:05 AM
What goes through your mind when you have to give your hard earned wrinkled dollars in the dark of a strip club’s parking lot to a DJ or a bouncer?

I know everyone says this is shady but at my club many of us will tip the bouncer who walks us to our car at the end of the night a couple dollars. However we have a separate employee lot which customers cannot access and if you are leaving before the club closes they actually have to open the gates so you can leave so I feel it is fair and also much safer than in a typical setup. Also, there is no mandatory tipout for bouncers and I know they do not get paid much so I don't feel bad at all about tipping them.

chris91
11-17-2009, 02:22 AM
She doesn't do shows on PLs ether because if one is a PL in a SC :highfive:; it is our birthright.

Come on Earl. You can do better than this.

mediocrity
11-17-2009, 02:41 AM
Hey Bob_Loblaw- your avatar is cracking me up.

Elvia
11-17-2009, 02:15 PM
It is well known that the dancers that go into his basement office get the best bookings; no bookings are now paid BTW, and can extend their time in private dance without having to give the house a cut.

Funny how there are a few guys on this forum who get more absorbed in the rumor mill than most dancers I know.

audrey_k
11-18-2009, 10:42 PM
You wrote a post which is basically one mile long telling me that I am wrong. But you never bothered to tell me what I am wrong about.

OK. You may not be vulnerable for some reason. Although I do not know what that reason could be. But let us assume that you are not vulnerable. Does this mean every stripper out there is not vulnerable? Women are at disadvantage in terms of sexual vulnerability. You ladies feel stressed out about getting naked. You ladies feel stressed out about people touching your boobs. I mean the list is long. And, yet you are saying that you do not feel vulnerable. I have hard time buying that contention.

I have explained to you not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES why you are completely full of shit. I am not going to waste my time explaining to you a fourth time. You are either so incredibly stupid that your IQ would battle that of a lobotomy patient, or you are feigning false ignorance so that you do not have to respond to any of my points. My money is on the second, since you have demonstrated several times that you do not have the mental capacity to engage in a debate, you can only repeat the same statements over and over again like a wind up doll that can type.

I do however have to point out the sheer irony of your response to me. You say you are so concerned with us poor little strippers, being degraded and demeaned at the work place. I tell you that I feel you are demeaning me and treating me with no respect... and what is your response to me?

Seriously, look at your own behavior towards women and strippers before going on a rampage against male employees at strip clubs. People living in glass houses should not throw stones asshole.

Bob_Loblaw
11-19-2009, 12:40 AM
Hey Bob_Loblaw- your avatar is cracking me up.
Ha ha! Yay! I'm glad someone else besides me found some amusement in my new avatar which I swear was pure coincidence and not directed at anyone in particular. http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_neiner.gif

Cyril
11-29-2009, 07:56 AM
I do however have to point out the sheer irony of your response to me. You say you are so concerned with us poor little strippers, being degraded and demeaned at the work place. I tell you that I feel you are demeaning me and treating me with no respect... and what is your response to me?



My response to you is it is unfortunate that you feel this way.

I always treat others with respect. I am not demeaning you. Why do you think that I am demeaning you? Why do you think that I am not treating you with respect?

WiseGuy_TX
11-29-2009, 08:11 AM
...why stir personal crap up with dancers over 10 days old? Sadly, your second banning taught you little it seems.

Cyril
11-29-2009, 08:17 AM
...why stir personal crap up with dancers over 10 days old? Sadly, your second banning taught you little it seems.

Banning me will be the loss of SW not mine. I am working without any tips. What could be more noble than that? Strippers should be the first group of people to understand that.

Cyril
11-29-2009, 08:21 AM
And who in your opinion would be the Grand Master? ::)

That would be UnwiseGuy_TX. :D

WiseGuy_TX
11-29-2009, 09:00 AM
I am working without any tips. ...agreed.

chris91
12-01-2009, 12:30 PM
For the record, I vote that Cyril not be banned. I find him hilarious.

Phil-W
12-01-2009, 02:46 PM
For the record, I vote that Cyril not be banned. I find him hilarious.

I fear Cyril is a zombie, for every time I think someone has driven a stake through his heart he rises from the dead.....

Phil }:D

Earl_the_Pearl
12-01-2009, 08:32 PM
I fear Cyril is a zombie, for every time I think someone has driven a stake through his heart he rises from the dead.....

Phil }:D
Actually that would be a vampire; one kills a zombie with a shot to the head. It doesn't have to be a silver bullet though like with a werewolf.

chris91
12-03-2009, 12:15 AM
Actually that would be a vampire; one kills a zombie with a shot to the head. It doesn't have to be a silver bullet though like with a werewolf.

If it's a rage zombie then you can kill them with a stake to the heart. ;D