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kittygirl
11-24-2009, 11:19 PM
How snide, "the obvious".
I don't have borderline anything. I'm just me and sometimes I drink - or you can read about real human personalities in the great nerd sociopath manuals (aka psych textbooks).
People who go into psych fields are the biggest wackos I've ever met, even on college campuses they tend to be the nutjobs who want to figure out their own perceived problems. I don't buy any of it. Other people can of course but save the diagnosing for yourself and not an internet forum.
I do appreciate the people who have actually tried to help me understand my interaction with this guy. Your opinions have helped me see things I didn't realize before.
I don't think I'm some diagnosis to be figured out. I'm happy to be me problems and all - far better than trying to be someone else that Western psych says we all should be.
I still say, people who had a rough life have issues more often than not, and stability creates happiness. You can have a different opinion but don't act like you know better than me, about me.
Tit for tat - you strike me as a very unhappy person who hangs around internet sites far too much acting like you know more than other people because it's the only thing you have that makes you feel better about your unhappy life, you claim to have had breakdowns and "mental" issues yet think you know who is "sane"/"not borderline" - end being like you, back to me.
erotictonic
11-24-2009, 11:51 PM
How snide, "the obvious".
I don't have borderline anything. I'm just me and sometimes I drink - or you can read about real human personalities in the great nerd sociopath manuals (aka psych textbooks).
People who go into psych fields are the biggest wackos I've ever met, even on college campuses they tend to be the nutjobs who want to figure out their own perceived problems. I don't buy any of it. Other people can of course but save the diagnosing for yourself and not an internet forum.
I do appreciate the people who have actually tried to help me understand my interaction with this guy. Your opinions have helped me see things I didn't realize before.
I don't think I'm some diagnosis to be figured out. I'm happy to be me problems and all - far better than trying to be someone else that Western psych says we all should be.
I still say, people who had a rough life have issues more often than not, and stability creates happiness. You can have a different opinion but don't act like you know better than me, about me.
Tit for tat - you strike me as a very unhappy person who hangs around internet sites far too much acting like you know more than other people because it's the only thing you have that makes you feel better about your unhappy life, you claim to have had breakdowns and "mental" issues yet think you know who is "sane"/"not borderline" - end being like you, back to me.
I'm recovered, and I'm knowledgeable concerning the condition I had. If I wasn't, I would be acting like you. :P But there is some truth to what you say. A little. I'm working to correct the last of my issues now - which includes my career. The rest is done, including my relationship. I can handle the truth about me; that's one difference between me and a non-recovered borderline. The reason why I am on the net so much is because I am working on the computer and I post on sites some, as well as play video games some. No, I didn't give you a diagnosis, I just said you are acting just like one. Entitled to be a complete prick to everyone else, but when they say anything back, you don't understand why and you RAGE. Borderlines have themselves trapped in places where help is out of their reach because they won't accept any of it, or take any responsibility for anything that happens to them in life.
Don't buy any of it, but the ones who accept help find it to be useful, and it changes their lives. I used to be a lot like you.
The thing is, people are giving you back a little of what you've dished out on this site. I couldn't care less, but yea, you just said my brain was "defective", that girls on this site like to be bitches, that I need to do more drugs, that others went to podunk university etc. etc. Not to mention the night you said you used to live with crack dealers, they were decent people, and that you didn't like white perverts. Yes, I am a bit harsh here and there, but the difference is, I'm not doing it for the reasons you are. You're leading people to insane places. And seeing that I went to "podunk" university while you went to Berkeley, honestly doesn't rub me very well, after I see the way you are acting. A degree wasted, when someone else could've been given the chance and actually cared to do something with it. (I said that because you dissed on me, saying I went to podunk university, when I honestly did the best I could at the time. How the fuck does it feel now? Talk about a lack of empathy for other people's situations.)
I do agree with you that stability creates happiness, and stability is one thing most borderlines didn't see much of. Why not try the stability thing sometime?
I also disagree that a psych major who wants to figure out their own issues is a "nutjob". They're interested in psych, so of course, they apply the information to themselves. WTF is nutty about that? So Western Psych is "all bad", eh? No, things are generally a mixture of good and bad. I've noticed that you write a lot of things off to be "all bad" and virtually useless, another indication of bpd. Also, there is always some reason for your failures other than you, like you are in a minority race, or a woman, or anything else you can dig up. That's another indication.
Any diagnosis is basically just a set of actions with a name slapped on it. It's not that big of a deal. It's just sets of actions people use to try to create understandings more easily when they need them. There are 256 varieties of bpd; it's still very specific to the individual, but it's a good starting place for understanding. I am not saying you have any kind of mental illness, but at the least, I am definitely wondering lol.
And you fucking wonder why you couldn't get a job.....
I just did a little reading as well, and earlier, you were posting about your insane family. Apparently, your mom is mentally ill, your brother was on some serious drugs, and your dad is violent. Your mom and brother I think, were both 5150. So yea, mental illness appears to run in your family. I'm very sorry. If I were you, I would be trying to figure it all out now instead of embracing it.
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 10:28 AM
So now I am your chew toy.
You seem to like to be an abusive person. Much like real life abusers you hide behind a lot of how it's my fault that you can say all these things about me.
I post here if I'm having a problem, much like other people. You can pull all those problems together and think you know where my life is at, you don't.
Part of it's is humor, part sadness, and part debate. Call it whatever you want this an internet forum almost like a priest's confessional - i have seen people post some major weird shit and then we all move on. Let's see, like a place to vent.
I would never want to meet you in person no matter how recovered you claim to be. You don't seem to have any tolerance or ability to live and let live.
Find someone else to abuse (and yes it is abuse hidden behind some jargon - in this thread i never asked you to research my posting history and tell me who you think i am, you just want to be a jerk), I'm not responding anymore so I guess I'll find the next thread you get your kicks from.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-25-2009, 12:01 PM
I think ET is spot on. My best friend is bordeline. I had to stop talking to her for some years because she was wonderful one minute, and lash out on me the next. It was really stressing me out and affecting my self-esteem. She went through years of therapy and is MUCH better now. Frankly I am shocked at the great level of her progress. There are still things that come out, she can get really cranky all of a sudden, and blame me over something I had nothing to do with..but now she knows to be quiet, sulk for a bit, gather her thoughts, and apologize.
There is hope, all I'm saying.
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 01:13 PM
What you call borderline is pretty much how most human beings are at one time or another. Yourself excluded I'm sure.
You guys are describing occasioinal not being happy or being upset or being sad moments as somehow a personality disorder.
Then that includes pretty much everyone I've ever met in my life.
If you are so perfect and have never had a fight with loved ones or friends, have never stuck up for yourself, or cried. Good for you. Sounds like that expectation of a human is pretty mental to me.
ET is abusive. As she did, I looked at her other posts. This is the only way she seems to enjoy functioning and Christ she must have a lot of time to play with people and re-edit her posts.
A hypocritical abuser at that when did I ever seek her out and ask what she wants to diagnose me with, uh, never.
Around here cliques tend to form and gather around one person to be bitchy to. I've never done that. Thank you, I can stand on my own and express my own opinions on this internet forum.
The only time I will debate is when I don't like your ideas, not because I want to dig at you as a person. Some people prefer personal fighting - that's so "borderline".
What a joke.
PS - You guys are messing up my thread. Make a new one where you can discuss my "borderline personality disorder".
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 01:20 PM
Or one where we can discuss what I call "chronic bitch disorder" where some people obsess over other peoples' personalities to the point of wasting their time and acting immature. At least call me out on my ideas that you disagree with.
Ever notice how the people here that everyone respects don't get involved in this kind of crap.
I have hope that you guys will change for the better. But, somehow I doubt it.
It takes all kinds...
erotictonic
11-25-2009, 02:40 PM
Why is kittygirl not banned, mods? I am 100% tired of her mess. She has been banned before.
She has proven to me time and time again that she is here to cause a ruckus and fuck with people.
erotictonic
11-25-2009, 02:44 PM
I think ET is spot on. My best friend is bordeline. I had to stop talking to her for some years because she was wonderful one minute, and lash out on me the next. It was really stressing me out and affecting my self-esteem. She went through years of therapy and is MUCH better now. Frankly I am shocked at the great level of her progress. There are still things that come out, she can get really cranky all of a sudden, and blame me over something I had nothing to do with..but now she knows to be quiet, sulk for a bit, gather her thoughts, and apologize.
There is hope, all I'm saying.
She will stop doing it totally at some point, and be "normal". Thanks for being there for her. :) Borderlines are not the easiest people in the world to deal with. That's a nice story.
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 02:59 PM
Why am I not banned. Probably for the same reason you aren't.
I see posts where you have been called rude and inconsiderate numerous times by people other than me.
Maybe you should stop trying to cause drama yourself. Note that this thread was started in an effort to understand a guy I'm dating.
However you consider my behavior towards him it was not an invitation to insult or belittle me. An analogy would be is it OK to call someone "fat" because I then say well I'm fat so it's OK to call other people that. Same for your "borderline" theory. I never asked for a mental health diagnosis, that's just rude.
Please find another thread to play in.
I hope other people see how you really behave and keep it in mind.
I have never called for anyone to be banned. Or even complained about anyone to the mods. I am old enough to take care of myself on the internet and can leave threads I don't like. Like this one...
erotictonic
11-25-2009, 03:07 PM
Why am I not banned. Probably for the same reason you aren't.
I see posts where you have been called rude and inconsiderate numerous times by people other than me.
Maybe you should stop trying to cause drama yourself. Note that this thread was started in an effort to understand a guy I'm dating.
However you consider my behavior towards him it was not an invitation to insult or belittle me. An analogy would be is it OK to call someone "fat" because I then say well I'm fat so it's OK to call other people that. Same for your "borderline" theory. I never asked for a mental health diagnosis, that's just rude.
Please find another thread to play in.
I hope other people see how you really behave and keep it in mind.
I have never called for anyone to be banned. Or even complained about anyone to the mods. I am old enough to take care of myself on the internet and can leave threads I don't like. Like this one...
I figured I would try before I completely wrote you off and wanted you banned. I generally give people multiple chances before I draw the line; it's mainly what I think is right and done in good conscience. Most of your stuff I think is made up and posted in order to spread hate and cause a ruckus. You get some sort of jolly out of doing so.
laurcon
11-25-2009, 03:10 PM
^ some people just prefer to talk about their issues before fighting when drunk and i don't think that's boring.
i'm not judging you at all. i was pretty emotionally unstable when i was younger. i ended up very depressed though and in the hospital twice. i went to lengthy outpatient programs and learned a ton about how to think and cope.
i mean, there is no one right way, and that's if you're completely happy with the way that you are now and totally at peace, then it must work for you and continue it. if, however, you don't feel that you're happy with your life now, perhaps you should make some changes, since this way clearly isn't working for you.
i think once you're healthy and happy yourself, you'll attract people in your life that are also healthy and happy. emotional rollercoasters don't sound like a very fun ride. i'm so grateful for the peace in my life.
you seem like a good person kitty and i'm sure you are, i just think you need to open your mind a little and believe in yourself more.
i feel like i spent some time writing this post, trying to be delicate.
i think maybe ET didn't handle you with kid gloves, but what she was saying was not out of line, nor off base. its pretty obvious from your posts in this thread alone that you are unhappy with your life as a whole. if you are unwilling to change anything, you will continue to get what you've always gotten... shit. so have fun wallowing in it kittygirl.
the rest of us will be over here :wave:
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 03:18 PM
Laurcon, I do feel you were being tactful, even if I don't totally agree with you. There is a way to point things out to a person without being mean, which you did by not personally insulting me. (Of course until this last post, but I'm not tripping.)
However, I don't think it's true that ET is not out of line.
She could have left one post and had her say but she keeps coming back to say it over and over while microanalyzing everything I say.
It is rude to diagnose people as being mentally ill. It's just inappropriate.
No one does that in the real world or they wouldn't have many friends. Unless someone asks, it's probably best to keep your opinions short sweet and tactful.
ArmySGT.
11-25-2009, 03:19 PM
Why am I not banned. Probably for the same reason you aren't.
Oh, but you have been Banned before.
Did you think anyone forgot your behavior and threads like this before Member Boards was closed?
Don't play the "woe is me" troll archetype. You create these threads, insult anyone that joins the thread; then when everyone calls you on it, you proclaim we are all evil, mean, and just don't understand you.
erotictonic
11-25-2009, 03:34 PM
Oh, but you have been Banned before.
Did you think anyone forgot your behavior and threads like this before Member Boards was closed?
Don't play the "woe is me" troll archetype. You create these threads, insult anyone that joins the thread; then when everyone calls you on it, you proclaim we are all evil, mean, and just don't understand you.
EXACTLY. Thank you. I don't know much about trolls... but yea, sounds like this archetype was modeled after a borderline lmao.
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 03:54 PM
Banned? When? I guess I missed it and I did not insult anyone who joined this thread.
Those who make personal attacks, like you, well that might be different.
It's always the same group of people. The mob mentality if you will.
You same people please go start the "let's talk shit about kittygirl" thread.
I would start it for you but that might be considered "borderline".
ET starts off her constructive comments with "she is the female version of Cyril". So constructive. So not a personal attack (no offense to Cyril).
Some trolls just never leave I guess.
Seems like someone is just fishing for a fight to feel good. Please get your fix in real life it might last longer.
ArmySGT.
11-25-2009, 04:47 PM
Do a little dance?
The definitive guide to Trolls
In response to this thread I decided it was time to sit down and compile a clear definition of a troll followed by some examples, links and ways to deal with them. Please feel free to add your thoughts. I am not the original author of much of this material, in fact most of it is blatently borrowed from the sites linked at the bottom. I am merely the one who compiled the information for this thread.
----Definition----
An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Trolls delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.
A classic troll tries to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. A troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.
While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate.
He (and in at least 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.
Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.
Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. Ubuntuforums moderators usually move troll messages to the jail and may even ban trolls after a few unheeded warnings. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.
Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.
When trolls are completely ignored they sometimes step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a moderator is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, we have to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself. For this reason the staff here often intervene, either with a warning in a thread, jailing one or more posts, sending private messages to offenders, and even banning people--temporarily or permanently--from these forums.
As an idea, the next time you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, maybe you could just write a follow-up message in the thread entitled "Troll Alert" and type something like this:
Quote:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.
The goal of the Ubuntuforums is to provide a place where people wanting to share experiences using Ubuntu or Linux in general can do so as well as give and receive technical assistance in a friendly, pleasant environment. Trolls disturb and disrupt community and are neither welcomed nor tolerated. There are lots of "free speech" forums available for political, religious, "not safe for work" and family-unfriendly sorts of interactions. If you feel the need to troll, please seek out one of these places.
----Troll Spotting----
Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:
1. Low post count. Trolls usually do not last long enough on a forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be causing trouble.
2. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses identical to that of the TiQ.
3. Suspicious E-mail Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows multiple usernames for a single account.
4. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will display traits similar to that of the TiQ.
----Links/sources----
These links are the source of much (almost all) of what is contained here. They also go into much greater detail than I have.
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ArmySGT.
11-25-2009, 04:52 PM
Part 2...
----Humorous descriptions of various troll types----
THE MAJOR BREEDS
The Vulgar Troll. These, the crudest of all trolls, make no attempt to hide their species. Often, they make racist comments, or they may post porn and other spam. Vulgars usually confine their comments merely to primitive, profane, off-topic observations. When you log into the Really Profound Serious Philosophical Discussions board and see the post, "I smell my farts," you've spotted the Vulgar Troll. Other species of troll sometimes revert to this form when cornered.
The Deceptive or "Classic" Troll. More sophisticated but often easily identified and exposed, the Classic Troll gratifies his ego by pretending to be someone or something he or she is not. Classics make up elaborate stories about themselves, sometimes weaving some amounts of truth into their lies. As a web of lies is difficult to build with consistency, however, Classics are often "outed" by other forumites. When this happens, Classic Trolls have a bag of tricks to which they turn:
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 1: If the heat gets too much for you, claim it was all "a joke." In this way you can excuse any and all deceit by claiming people just weren't smart enough to "get" the humor of it.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 2: Create another account, and log on pretending to be someone else, in order to show support for the Troll in Question (TiQ). These puppet accounts sometimes claim to be disinterested third parties. At other times they pretend to be "friends" of the TiQ.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 3: When your lies paint you into a corner, claim that your little brother, or some unnamed friend, has commandeered your account and made you look foolish. This technique can also be applied in claiming that the puppet account(s) you created may not, in fact, be disinterested third parties or friends, but that they are your relatives ("little brother" is most common) only trying to help support you.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 4: When nothing else works, claim that now, finally, you're telling the truth about all the lies you told before. Make up a fresh set of lies, and throw yourself on the mercy of the forumites.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 5: When all else fails, claim to be leaving forever. Trolls who claim they are leaving never do, of course; you can bet that anyone who proclaims, "I'm never coming back here," will most certainly at least check back for responses, and probably will not be able to resist posting again.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 6: Have a tantrum. When all their other tricks are exhausted, Classic Trolls will become angry and start shouting. Often they revert to Vulgar Trolls when this happens.
– Classic Troll Tactic Number 7: The insincere apology. Similar to Tactic 4, this involves pretending to repent for one's trolling and is accompanied often by great melodrama. Insincere troll apologists hope that they'll be forgiven if only they act disgusted enough with their own behavior.
The Contrarian Troll. A sophisticated breed, Contrarian Trolls frequent boards whose predominant opinions are contrary to their own. A forum dominated by those who support firearms and knife rights, for example, will invariably be visited by Contrarian Trolls espousing their beliefs in the benefits of gun control. It is important to distinguish between dissenters and actual Contrarian Trolls, however; the Contrarian is not categorized as a troll because of his or her dissenting opinions, but due to the manner in which he or she behaves:
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number One: The most important indicator of a poster's Contrarian Troll status is his constant use of subtle and not-so-subtle insults, a technique intended to make people angry. Contrarians will resist the urge to be insulting at first, but as their post count increases, they become more and more abusive of those with whom they disagree. Most often they initiate the insults in the course of what has been a civil, if heated, debate to that point.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Two: Constant references to the forum membership as monolithic. "You guys are all just [descriptor]." "You're a lynch mob." "You all just want to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you."
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Three: Intellectual dishonesty. This is only a mild indicator that is not limited to trolls, but Contrarians display it to a high degree. They will lie about things they've said, pull posts out of context in a manner that changes their meanings significantly, and generally ignore any points for which they have no ready answers.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Four: Accusing the accusers. When confronted with their trolling, trolls immediately respond that it is the accusers who are trolls (see Natural Predators below). Often the Contrarian will single out his most vocal opponent and claim that while he can respect his other opponents, this one in particular is beneath his notice.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Five: Attempts to condescend. The Contrarian will seek refuge in condescending remarks that repeatedly scorn his or her critics as beneath notice – all the while continuing to respond to them.
– Contrarian Warning Sign Number Six: One distinctive mark of Contrarian Trolls is that every thread in which they dissent quickly devolves into a debate about who is trolling whom. In the course of such a debate the Contrarian will display many of the other Warning Signs mentioned above.
The YerATroll. YerATrolls are those whining forumites who devote a tremendous amount of time and energy complaining about the tremendous amount of time an energy expended by Troll Bashers and Angry Forumites on the practice of troll-hunting. A self-righteous and hypocritical breed, YerATrolls spend all their time pointing fingers at everyone but trolls, petulantly demanding that their opinions be granted the significance the YerATroll believes they deserve. YerATrolls often start threads excoriating others for troll-hunting, all the while completely oblivious to the fact that they're engaging in trolling by picking fights with everyone else. One of the most ill-tempered of troll species, YerATrolls are characterized by a childish need for attention disguised as cynical nobility and pretensions of being "above it all."
The Agenda Troll. Agenda trolls are those participants who join a forum specifically to pursue an agenda of their own – often a feud or grudge with another member, or perhaps a dispute with some party not participating in that forum. When a flame war erupts on another board, for example, Agenda Trolls will follow their opponents to other forums in order to continue the spat.
– Some Agenda Trolls are subject-matter oriented. An Agenda Troll who thinks Self-Defense Instructor X is a fraud, or who feels he has been ripped off or otherwise dealt with unfairly by Instructor X, will visit forums devoted to self-defense and martial arts in order to spread his or her negative opinion of Instructor X.
– Agenda Trolls may also be of the milder Spam Agenda subspecies; these are Trolls who join a board specifically to advertise some venture of their own. They are not often troublesome, though their shameless plugging is met with varying degrees of irritation.
The Sophist Troll. Sophist Trolls, or "philotrolls," fancy themselves Enlightened Philosophers or Learned Experts of the highest order. Often well educated, Philotrolls are capable of speaking intelligently on a number of topics, and when the spirit moves them they can be worthwhile forum participants. Unfortunately, Sophist Trolls are an extremely hostile and intolerant species.
When confronted by opinions with which they do not agree – particularly when they do not see any means of successfully arguing their contrary views – Sophists resort (repeatedly) to a variety of intellectually dishonest tactics. Most often, this is characterized by an overly snide, condescending, patronizing attitude. Philotrolls consider anyone with whom they do not agree to be "immature," and are fond of quoting that old saw that "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
When cornered they are quick to resort to personal attacks. A philotroll's bag of rhetorical tricks includes a variety of transparent ploys, such as willfully misinterpreting the opponent's words, committing Straw Man fallacies, accusing his or her opponents of engaging in the very tactics used by the philotroll, and so forth.
When engaging in their sophistry, philotrolls are among the most hypocritical and aggravating of trollkind.
The Affected Profundity Troll. A mutant subspecies of Sophist Trolls, Affected Profundity Trolls post endless pages of pretentious drivel that is intended to appear wise, but which generally makes little sense (if any). Affected Profundity Trolls enjoy asking themselves questions, sometimes answering them and sometimes leaving them hanging, for they believe this looks intelligent and lends an aura of mystery to their incoherent ramblings. Affected Profundity Trolls aspire to become Sophist Trolls, but lack the intelligence necessary to make the leap.
The Don King Troll. Related to Affected Profundity Trolls, Don King Trolls spout gibberish in the hope that they'll either bore or confuse to death those with whom they disagree. The average Don King Troll is "a pursuitist who gromulates his adversarial computerists with height defining formulations to the disinterestingest adjunct."
The Artistic Troll. A higher species of Classic Troll, Artistic Trolls are intelligent individuals who understand the subtle art of trolling, and who do what they do specifically to make others look foolish. Often employing the techniques of Deceptive Trolls, Artistics will string forumites along until some point in time designated by their own desires, at which point they will reveal the ploy, admit that it was a ploy, and laugh at everyone for being stupid enough to fall for it. Artistic Trolls delight in sowing discord, but do it in a highly developed and fully aware manner. They do not care if they are despised, and do not seek the approval of forum participants. Chaos is their only goal, and preferably chaos with a humorous bent to it. Without a doubt, this is the most dangerous species.
The Bitter Troll. Bitter Trolls are a curious cross-species. They can be trolls of any breed in their larval stages, but become Bitters after their previous activities are seen for what they were. What sets these trolls apart from other classifications is their behavior after they have been spotted and labeled as trolls. Angry, frustrated, and resentful about being "outed," the Bitter Troll will wage a campaign of indignant complaints intended to focus attention away from the troll and on whomever is responsible for identifying the creature. Often, a troll mutates into a Bitter just prior to becoming a Vulgar.
The Bustr. Bustrs are obsessive Bitters by whom you could practically set your watch. A Bustr never forgets, never forgives, and holds a grudge until the day it dies. Also a variant of Agenda trolls, Bustrs typically move from forum to forum complaining about the objects of their ire, often cutting and pasting age-old diatribes that have little meaning to most of their audiences. Most Bustrs are relatively incoherent, though a few of the more lucid ones are potentially dangerous stalkers.
The Mutt. Alternatively known as Dogs or Yapping Dogs. Mutts are pack animals characterized by their loud barking – vociferous, repetitive, usually ignorant and irrational criticism of anything and anyone they do not like. Mutts frequently become obsessed with a few or even a single poster with whom they disagree, often for purely personal reasons. Like a dog gnawing at a bone, the Mutt will attack the object of its ire over and over again, making a fool of itself in the eyes of those who understand such childish behavior for what it is. Often one Mutt in a group of Yapping Dogs will act as the alpha of the pack, while the others chime in to voice their mindless (but loud) support for their leader's opinions.
The Holy Misroller (HM). Holy Misrollers are those online forum participants who give Christians (or other religious adherents) a bad name. The HM believes himself or herself to be a Christian (etc.) and will generally tell anyone who'll listen about his or her faith in God and in Jesus. At the same time, however, the HM will display decidedly un-Christian behavior, frequently making an *** out of him- or herself. The HM is often characterized by a great deal of anger and hostility. The breed tends to lash out at anyone and anything not in keeping with its incorrectly narrow worldview. The saddest part about HMs is that they do not truly understand Christianity at all.
The Marketing Genius. A Marketing Genius is absolutely convinced that you are profiting from your participation in an Internet forum. If you have a link or a graphic block in you signature, the Marketing Genius just knows that this is your subtle attempt to assert your hypnotic powers on other bulletin board participants, luring them with the siren song of your complex and inscrutable advertising of your site. It does not matter to the Marketing Genius that forum members have been placing links and pictures in their signatures since the ability to do so was first created. Having never created anything of value themselves, Marketing Geniuses have only their bitter envy and their firm belief that you are a Dot Com Billionaire to motivate and occupy them.
The Honorable Nitwit. Honorable Nitwits absolutely love to speak about honor. This breed invokes the concepts of honor, integrity, humility, and other traits straight from the Boy Scout Oath more often than a Klingon warrior on anti-depressants. Honorable nitwits are convinced that everyone around them suffers from a lack of honor – an idea they thoroughly fail to understand in attempting to use its lack to smear others.
The Old Warrior. The Old Warrior has been there and done that. He has little time to spare for those who have not been there and done that. The Old Warrior has been there and done that to such an extent, in fact, that he is always right. Anyone who disagrees with him, therefore, is wrong by definition and should shut the hell up. Old Warriors place a very high premium on one's credentials relevant to the subject matter discussed – failing to understand the logical fallacy of appeals to authority.
ArmySGT.
11-25-2009, 04:53 PM
The Forum Cultist. Forum cultists are extremely proud of the incredible Internet communities to which they belong. They pride themselves on the exclusivity of those communities and actually believe that "it can't happen to them" – "it," of course, being their own banishment. Forum cultists place a very high premium on groupthink and generally react to differing opinions with outrage, banning all who dare to speak them.
The Pretend-novice: Has an agenda to push but pretends to not to understand arguments against said agenda in order to push the agenda further. By appearing to be a new user, she can get away with combativeness without appearing aggressive or hostile and can always excuse any poor arguments as ignorance or genuine inquiry.
kittygirl
11-25-2009, 07:37 PM
Do my words really threaten you that much that you waste so much time?
Army SGT, my guess is you don't like that I disagree with sociobiology that was inappropriately brought up in a thread about a 15 year old getting raped.
That's the only thing I can think of. I've never talked to you, but I certainly heard from you after that. Why are saying I've been banned before? Do you think lying is making your case?
Wow, this thread is getting so many views. Drama, drama.
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 10:02 AM
Anyway.
Back to the point of this thread.... for anyone who wants to read.
He made plans for this past Sunday and kept saying "it's definite right?" a couple of times and wanted me to bring my Trivial Pursuit game which made me scream with delight.
He made it seem like he really wanted to hang out and said he'd call after work at 5pm.
He texted at 530 that he was too drunk to hang ouot and could we please do it Monday.
Crack open the bottle of wine I got for us and wait to text and then tell him sorry I'm busy Mon Tues Wed at DUI classes. (Is this troll bait, probably)
The he's like "next sunday night" and I said no do whatever you're doing Fri and Sat.
I made some comments about how he must be busy working weekend nights and he finally (probably after his other booty call) blurts out he's working and other bullshit.
I was nice enough to say "thanks for making it a priority" Fast forward to the next day when I drunk texted him a bunch of stuff.
He reads them all.
Then at 230am he blocks my number, but unblocks it in the morning. What? Just keep it blocked if you arent interested, so another can of worms emotionally.
My mom thinks he likes to see me upset or in pain. She thinks he's a sadist.
Any responses would be appreciated. What kind of guy does this?
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 10:33 AM
Ok, with risk of being totally flamed by you...I shall post.
I think one of two things are going on here.
1-You both have a personality/mental illness. (so does half of America, IT DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE A WIERDO/FREAK/CRAZY whatever. It simply means that some chemicals in your brain are off, too much of one, not enough of the other.
2-You guys are just doing way too much drugs, thus effecting your lives.
I will bet on number 1, simply b/c I've been there and so has many in my family and personal relationships. I think the drugs and alchohol are simply you guys self medicating.
I think given your life as a child or what not and family history (genes) has put you in a bad mental state and you should seek help. God, please don't get upset. I'm actually talking from expierence and trying to be as delicate as possible.
I think he probally likes drama, some people thrive on it, need it.
I think you should just cease all communication with this guy and move forward, notice I said FORWARD, not on. Moving forward will greatly help you and how you feel on a daily basis.
I know shit sucks.....I know. But toxic people are just not good for anyone, especially those who are mentally fragile.
I desperatly needed to be on depression meds for years, YEARS. But I REFUSED. I would tell my SO and parents that I'm fine, I don't need meds to be happy...yada yada yada. One day my SO sat me down and said "Honey, there is nothing wrong with taking medication. If a person has high blood pressure what does he do to control it? TAKE MEDS. Same thing here. You need it, so what!" This really clicked for me! I GOT IT! It's not that the drugs were making me "different", they were allowing me to be ME! Happy go lucky, full of joy, ME! I'm so thankful!
Anywho, not sure if this makes sense to you. But I think you should ditch him and seek out some help for yourself. You deserve to be happy! :)
Also, I can be a raging bitch. Don't get me wrong. The meds don't make me walk on gold paved roads with a dozen roses everyday. But I can handle stressful situations A LOT better! :)
Good luck babe!
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 11:24 AM
I don't flame people, but I do appreciate what you said.
In some ways I agree. I do self-medicate, weed is my drug of choice. But because of the DUI classes I get piss tested so it's become alcohol.
I'm just scared of the drugs. I think they warp your brain.
And how could so many people naturally need chemicals, isn't that why god put weed on the planet? j/k Or maybe we need more sunlight. It just doesn't make sense.
Also, dude smokes weed. He once told me he thought it was good I quit and hopefully never start again, speaking from his own experience.
Those drugs always fuck with me and I think everyone has a right to be here. I just can't believe humans need chemistry to exist. What happened before 1980?
And also the mental health profession is evil. I was in the psych ward for anorexia, they had an older woman about to get electroshock. I couldn't believe it still existed, so I was like don't do it and they locked me in my room.
Just saying I feel like there's a more natural answer for unhappiness - it's called love and respect. Before medication for me I would hope others learn to treat people how they would want to be treated. I'm Catholic go figure.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 11:42 AM
^^^ I totally agree! 110%!!! Seriously! Once I left a bad situation my outlook on life changed and I was happier *in general*. I still to this day don't get why we humans need medication to be "normal", as I put it, but I've learned to ACCEPT it, not AGREE with it. If that makes sense.
I think it's not all chemical but a lot enviormental. I also think that parents that create these hellish enviorments for the kids have themselves a chemical imbalance. So between the fact that the kids are in hell situations PLUS heridity giving them an imbalance, well, it's a recipe for disaster.
I also don't think doctors fully understand the realm of mental illness. Sorta like PTSD. That can make one CRAZY, who was perfectly normal before. That just goes to show that situations can effect ones mental stability. I beleive it's a little of everything. I'm only discussing this instead of the actual guy in the original post b/c I think he's like a drop in the bucket of the big picture. I know that's how things were for me anyways. Once I worked on myself, and I hate to say it but I didn't even start to work on myself til my 30's!, then I felt better and could handle situations with a more clear head.
I wish shit was just different. I wish I wasn't so moody and shit, but hey, whatever. IDK really what to say. I understand totally. And feel your pain. We tend to let others sway our mood and stuff. When really we should be like "Um, ok nutty mcnutty, go about your business with that crazy shit"! lol! Instead, for me anyways, I take shit to heart and analyze EVERYTHING to death. Like EVERYTHING has SOMETHING to do with me. And it don't. It's a reflection of themselves.
So if nothing else. I'd igg this guys texts and/or calls and find something better to occupy my time with. Even if it's smoking weed. Cuz um...dare I say...but I like my blunts too! ;)
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 11:43 AM
As far as he goes, I do think he likes drama - bad childhood? I don't know.
He obviously unblocked and reads all texts ( I can tell on my phone) for a reason,
It just makes me sad. He has so much to offer: I think he's hot even though he's 13 years older, he's funny, he's smart, and he remembers little things about me that make me feel so good (and I've had relationships where they didn't care).
Why can't he just reach out in a way. I know he's lonely at times. So am I as I've said living in the country could get to you. It's beautiful but people are attached for a reason.
Just sad. I really liked this guy intellectually and sexually.
I wish there was a better answer than move on.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 11:46 AM
I know. I've so been there. It's like WHAT THE HELL, huh?!? But I think sometimes we find the good in the bad and it's what we hang on too. I think he pry might be a decent guy. But he might be wrong for you. God can work in mysterious ways. Maybe the two of you will meet later on in life and will fall head over heels for one another. Ya know! :)
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 11:53 AM
Yeah I've been "diagnosed" with PTSD due to several rapes. You never think it could happen twice, but guys read you and they drug you more.
I do think unhappiness is environmental. I remember who I was before I was raped or molested.
I was so positive about life, I had so much going for me.
That shot it to hell, I'm a shell of who I used to be. I see people as not worthy of trust, which may have caused the initial problems with this guy.
Once you've been treated like garbage, it's very hard to come back or to be "normal". I know they were losers but I still can't enjoy life like I used to - sociobiologists are you listening? This doesn't bode well for procreation. And it's nothing about genetics.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 11:57 AM
This may sound corny as hell but at night, every night, I listen to Dalila on the radio. She is on in a lot of cities so you may have heard of her. Anyways, there are tons of people who call in and tell these crazy yet amazing stories of how they met someone YYEEAARRSS ago but it just didn't work out or they didn't "click" for whatever reason. Then they ran into eachother later on in life and they clicked and got married in 48 hours! lol Well, maybe not the 48hrs things but seriously. Ya never know, ya just never know.
I have a saying that I SWEAR by. "Sometimes God puts people in our life for a reason and sometimes just for a season". The saying varies but that's how I say it. It lets me know that not everyone I meet, wonderful or not, is meant to be in my life forever. Maybe they are just brought into my life temporarily for some REASON. :)
I'm also a major firm believer that everything happens for a reason, good bad or indifferent. So shit, if nothing else maybe he was in your life so you could come here to discuss it and then you got some really great outlooks on life, love and yourself in general and you might make some great change because of it. Not that you need to change, that's not what I'm saying. But I think you get what I mean! ;)
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 11:59 AM
Yeah I've been "diagnosed" with PTSD due to several rapes. You never think it could happen twice, but guys read you and they drug you more.
I do think unhappiness is environmental. I remember who I was before I was raped or molested.
I was so positive about life, I had so much going for me.
That shot it to hell, I'm a shell of who I used to be. I see people as not worthy of trust, which may have caused the initial problems with this guy.
Once you've been treated like garbage, it's very hard to come back or to be "normal". I know they were losers but I still can't enjoy life like I used to - sociobiologists are you listening? This doesn't bode well for procreation. And it's nothing about genetics.
I'm not goin to go into too much detail...but, I understand this post. 100% :)
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 12:13 PM
I just had to say thank you, it kind of made my Thanksgiving.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 12:15 PM
No problemo! PM me anytime if you like. If you lived closer I'd roll us a phatty!! haha! Have a fab rest of the day!!!
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 12:23 PM
Last response. You are a cool chic and I appreciate that you took time out of this day to help me.
Human to human, you're just cool. Happy Thanksgiving, I'm sure you'll have a good one.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-26-2009, 12:41 PM
And also the mental health profession is evil. I was in the psych ward for anorexia, they had an older woman about to get electroshock. I couldn't believe it still existed, so I was like don't do it and they locked me in my room.
Of course they locked you in your room. Its not your business how the women received treatment. If all you know about electro-therapy is what you've seen in the movies, then you only know a portion of what you see.
Fuck the psych ward though, that place sucks.
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 12:56 PM
Do you know these people are given muscle relaxers so strong so their bones don't snap during treatment.
I think it's sick.
My brother's ex's mother had it done and can't remember her whole life basically.
How does this help people.
I'm still proud I spoke out about it, unless you're lining up to be electrocuted. My guess you aren't. Why would you do that to anyone, especially since there is no science to back this treatment up.
Fuck, you shock me I'll say I'm happy just to avoid it.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
11-26-2009, 01:02 PM
I also met a guy who had it done in the psych ward, I was only there for two days, couldn't stand it, they stopped giving me meds, and I was miserable, but refused to say I was suicidal because I didn't want to be strapped down....I thought he was an asshole at first, he said something kind of rude earlier in the day. Later, we were the only two awake, and got to talking. He had been so severely depressed, and acting out violently against himself and others. He had been in the psych ward a month, and had it done. He was definitely a shell of a person, I felt bad for him, he was nice, just was incapable of conveying emotion very well anymore, so he seemed like a dick at first.
But that's the only person I met who had it all. All I'm saying is, of course the hospital staff are going to try and keep you from disrupting her treatment. They can't lose control of their ward. I was crying uncontrollably, not hurting anyone, just couldn't stop crying, like, for hours. The nurse kept threatening to commit me because I was weeping, alone, silently...instead of giving me any meds. It was awful.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 01:05 PM
FTR - They used the electro shock on my Mom, many times over. It did not help. It's more of a barbaric procedure than you would even imagine.
Also, they do not lock people in thier room b/c it's "none of thier business". They lock you in your room for safety precautions.
Yea, psych wards are wierd. They never seem to help, only hurt. I wish more mental health professionals cared enough to research things and make progress in this field.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 01:10 PM
On a lighter note. Just want to say that I hope for the day atleast, you all feel peace and happiness within. Life is tough...no doubt. Go stand in front of the mirror and make monkey faces! You won't be able to help but to laugh at yourself. (lol) TTYL!
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 01:14 PM
Thanks for sharing your experience.
They do what they are told. The same reason I think psych docs are nutjobs.
Some people don't understand how deep it gets. Keep saying you're sad and you might face these horrors,
The worst I got was a shot of anti-psychotic drugs ( I was just homeless and mad cause some stole my money broken wrist and I ran into a nurse who stole my painkillers before my appendectomy). I got shot up till I couldn't function.
The mental health world is evil as far as I've seen. I tell my brother(with both experiences) that it's worse than jail. At least in jail you're allowed to have your own feelings.
incognito.dancer
11-26-2009, 06:12 PM
OMG! I had to share this!
I *just now* turned on Dalilah and a lady was telling a story of how she and this man met when they were in their younger years and it really didn't work out and then she contacted him YEARS later and they GOT MARRIED the very next day after meeting again! Just goes to show ya hun...ya just never know!! Good Luck Babe!
Hope your day was really nice.
Djoser
11-26-2009, 07:34 PM
The problem you have with this guy is that he told you to kill yourself, told you how to do it, and you are still having any form of communication with him whatsoever.
I understand lonely. I understand sexual dry spells. I've dealt with both, far more than some of the women I hear bitching about not getting laid for two weeks or whatever. But I'd rather fuck my own hand or a melon maybe lol...anyday, than a woman who showed me such blatant disrespect. No matter how hot she was or how horny I was.
Of course I have noticed an amazing number of women like guys who treat them like shit, which is why you have guys like 'Magic' teaching geeks to get laid, hopefully, by telling women their calves are too thin, etc.
But a guy telling you to kill yourself, for any reason, is not a guy you need to do anything with, much less reward his ass by fucking him for it.
Learn to love yourself, and you will never need another abusive, fucked-up prick like this guy again.
kittygirl
11-26-2009, 07:51 PM
I guess I just forget about it and forgave him.
I know it sounds stupid.
I don't have a thing for assholes, but I'm not attracted to most guys and I guess I blamed it on myself and figured I pissed him off that much.
Lonely is two years without a date even. I'm a normal person at work and used to waitress, still nothing cause everyone around here is married -seriously.
Before that I was with a sweet gay homeless guy for four years who I just could not get rid of, but he was a good friend. We quit having sex after 6 months.
Even just hanging out with this guy a couple hours helped out the loneliness on some level. He was always respectful in person.
Most men don't respect women as far as I've seen, and the ones that do certainly aren't available around here.
Elvia
11-26-2009, 08:11 PM
It's funny how you lay everything on him and don't take any responsibility yourself. You've said in other posts you blow him off and call him names too. You continue to get drunk and call him, even after you've acknowledged what a bad idea that is and that you need to stop. You act like it's ridiculous for him to block and then unblock your number, as if you haven't been doing the back and forth with him either (and why are you continuing to call someone who's blocked your number?). You say he's caught up in drama, but you clearly are as well. Sounds like you two have a lot in common. Maybe that's why his behavior bothers you so much and makes you so obsessive.
HumptyBrahh
11-26-2009, 11:25 PM
Jesus Mary and Joseph you're crazy. Grow the hell up. I'm 21 and wouldn't put up with half the shit you do. Stop playing games with this guy. The whole OP made me rage.
Most men don't respect women as far as I've seen, and the ones that do certainly aren't available around here.
And then this. Have you ever thought that maybe it's not that we don't respect women, it's that we don't respect manipulative, mindfucking nutjobs like you?
It's like the guys that fuck a girl with a bf and then date her when she dumps the first guy, and then when she cheats on him they say all women cheat. No, they don't, it's just the ones you're choosing to be involved with!
Elvia
11-27-2009, 12:04 AM
In some ways I agree. I do self-medicate, weed is my drug of choice. But because of the DUI classes I get piss tested so it's become alcohol.
I'm just scared of the drugs. I think they warp your brain.
uh...news flash. alcohol messes with your brain too. Do you really think it's better to "self medicate" than to talk to a therapist?
mediocrity
11-27-2009, 07:01 PM
I guess I just forget about it and forgave him.
I know it sounds stupid.
I don't have a thing for assholes, but I'm not attracted to most guys and I guess I blamed it on myself and figured I pissed him off that much.
Lonely is two years without a date even. I'm a normal person at work and used to waitress, still nothing cause everyone around here is married -seriously.
Before that I was with a sweet gay homeless guy for four years who I just could not get rid of, but he was a good friend. We quit having sex after 6 months.
Even just hanging out with this guy a couple hours helped out the loneliness on some level. He was always respectful in person.
Most men don't respect women as far as I've seen, and the ones that do certainly aren't available around here.
You fucked a homeless gay dude? Whoa.