View Full Version : So, what? Dollar Den now all Politics?
Paris
11-19-2009, 11:48 AM
A. I obviously disagree ! Many of my OP threads, such as 'where the money isn't', 'straightforward analysis', 'interest rates / inflation' etc. are indeed of direct relevance to dancers. Same is true of many of Eric's OP threads, such as 'muni bonds', 'land of opportunity' etc.
B. There is absolutely no 'choking out' of other discussions. Everybody ( including you ) is welcome to initiate new threads as long as they contain some element of economic content. In fact, I often avoid starting OP threads myself in hopes that someone else will do so.
C. The US economy is not run as a democracy (yet), and therefore neither is Dollar Den.
Where in the description of dollar den is the economic discussions? Economic discussions almost always are theoretical unless it is an exploration of history. You know, just like politics.
And of course Dollar Den is not democratic as that is as it should be. I am getting the impression that the personal interests of the Mod are taking precedence over the relevance of the subject matter to the primary membership of the community.
:banghead:
Blog! Blog! Blog! I know you know how to use it: http://forum.stripperweb.com/blog.php?u=15380
Deogol
11-19-2009, 11:58 AM
Where in the description of dollar den is the economic discussions? Economic discussions almost always are theoretical unless it is an exploration of history. You know, just like politics.
And of course Dollar Den is not democratic as that is as it should be. I am getting the impression that the personal interests of the Mod are taking precedence over the relevance of the subject matter to the primary membership of the community.
:banghead:
Blog! Blog! Blog! I know you know how to use it:
It's easy.
CONTRIBUTE A NEW THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING RELEVANT TO YOUR INTERESTS.
I have not seen the moderator nuke or close a thread yet, so it isn't like she is forbidding conversation.
NOBODY IS STOPPING NEW THREADS BEING FORMED.
The people that are here will talk about what is interesting to them.
Ja-zeez-us-ba-zeez-us!
Paris
11-19-2009, 12:01 PM
Just thinking of the strippers, is all. No need to yell::).
Deogol
11-19-2009, 12:03 PM
Just thinking of the strippers, is all. No need to yell::).
Club made me deaf.
Eric Stoner
11-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Just thinking of the strippers, is all. No need to yell::).
Paris , if, IF you are REALLY so concerned about your fellow dancers, then start your own threads that you think better address their needs.
Elvia
11-19-2009, 01:33 PM
Well, it was a nice effort Paris. Looks like nothings going to come of it, and dollar den will continue to be general politics. I do appreciate you trying to bring the focus back to stripping related topics. I have no idea why Eric and Deogol, et al feel these subjects need to be posted on a forum specifically related to stripping. It really drowns out the relevant posts.
Eric Stoner
11-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Well, it was a nice effort Paris. Looks like nothings going to come of it, and dollar den will continue to be general politics. I do appreciate you trying to bring the focus back to stripping related topics. I have no idea why Eric and Deogol, et al feel these subjects need to be posted on a forum specifically related to stripping. It really drowns out the relevant posts.
Oh Please. This is getting ridiculous. I hesitate to even mention the myriad of topics and threads that NOBODY posts about that are clearly political BUT have no economic relevance. In case you haven't noticed, Melonie has been cracking the whip and insisting that posts stay within reasonable economic parameters.
My "Obama Lawnmower" post was partly for the humor ( who can't use a laugh these days ) and to illustrate how futile and even fraudulent the "Stimulus" policy is. And it was an indirect plug for Toro.
Elvia
11-19-2009, 01:52 PM
My "Obama Lawnmower" post was partly for the humor ( who can't use a laugh these days ) and to illustrate how futile and even fraudulent the "Stimulus" policy is. And it was an indirect plug for Toro.
Just because it might have something to do with economics in general doesn't mean it has much to do specifically with dancers. There's info that's relevant to dancers, and info that's more general and just as relevant to people who aren't dancers. If dancer's want general info on economics, I'm sure there's tons of places on the web to go for that. It would make more sense if the info here was more specific to the purpose of this site.
A lot of people have made it clear that they've avoided DD for this reason. I think that's a shame, considering what it could be. But yeah, it looks like that's not really a concern with the powers that be. So, DD will continue to be the stomping ground of a vocal minority.
Deogol
11-19-2009, 02:15 PM
Just because it might have something to do with economics in general doesn't mean it has much to do specifically with dancers. There's info that's relevant to dancers, and info that's more general and just as relevant to people who aren't dancers. If dancer's want general info on economics, I'm sure there's tons of places on the web to go for that. It would make more sense if the info here was more specific to the purpose of this site.
A lot of people have made it clear that they've avoided DD for this reason. I think that's a shame, considering what it could be. But yeah, it looks like that's not really a concern with the powers that be. So, DD will continue to be the stomping ground of a vocal minority.
Vocal minority? Have you done a count of the actual posters in the other forum areas?
Maybe there is nothing specific to dancers in here because there is nothing specific to dancers in the subject area. It seems a lot of the specific to dancers money subjects are well taken care of in Hustler Hut.
Recently someone posted a question about estimated taxes for a dancer - and the thread was full of links to resources, process, and answers. I would say Dollar Den is working just fine - for when someone posts something related like that.
I just cannot understand what the complaint is when no one asks questions like this. It makes me think its more about something else than it is about actually seeing answers being sought.
NickT
11-19-2009, 02:16 PM
Read the forum description:
Dollar Den Taxes, investing, fees, other money question? Discuss it in the den!
It is stating that DD is for questions about those matters, not for presentations of your personal viewpoint. If you truly have a question about how some policy will affect your financial situation, post away! Furthermore, your situation should be related to being a dancer since that is the focus of this website.
In my view, it would be wrong for me to create a thread like "NAFTA will destroy US trucking" for two reasons. One, I'm not a dancer. And two, I would have created the thread for the express purpose of pontificating on my viewpoint about that matter.
However, if a dancer is worried about NAFTA because a lot of truckers visit her club and she creates a thread like "Will NAFTA affect my earnings?", then that's okay. She's concerned about a political policy that may directly affect her club.
Deogol
11-19-2009, 02:25 PM
Well, it was a nice effort Paris. Looks like nothings going to come of it, and dollar den will continue to be general politics. I do appreciate you trying to bring the focus back to stripping related topics. I have no idea why Eric and Deogol, et al feel these subjects need to be posted on a forum specifically related to stripping. It really drowns out the relevant posts.
There is no way this forum is filled with general politics. Do you see conversations about gun control in here? About abortion rights? Racial inequity (hell - there is more of that in Stripping General than in here!) Free speech? Religious tolerance and intolerance? Capital Punishment? Illegal immigration? Voting rights? National Security v Privacy rights? Gay and lesbian rights?
No. People mention taxes. Money taken out of people's pockets. And they mention why - to put money in other people's pockets. This is a perfectly valid conversation in a forum about money.
What am I posting - the unemployment situation. Do you think that has nothing to do with dancing? The problems with school - is there not the legendary "stripping for school?" Government screwing the pooch left and right. Are you going to tell me government regulation and bumbling has nothing to do with dancing?
Myopic: unimaginative, uncreative, unadventurous, narrow-minded, small-minded, short-term, shortsighted.
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Zofia
11-19-2009, 02:57 PM
Paris, I appreciate your effort to return the DD to a useful forum. It had become an echo chamber for Eric and Mel's doomsday right wing philosophy. From time to time a few of us liked to gig Eric and Mel with reality, but your effort was and is a much more productive one. Unfortunately, Eric and Mel seem to have a lot of time to post their diatribes and the rest of us have lives/jobs to live.
XOXO
Z
Elvia
11-19-2009, 03:11 PM
There is no way this forum is filled with general politics. Do you see conversations about gun control in here? About abortion rights? Racial inequity (hell - there is more of that in Stripping General than in here!) Free speech? Religious tolerance and intolerance? Capital Punishment? Illegal immigration? Voting rights? National Security v Privacy rights? Gay and lesbian rights?
No. People mention taxes. Money taken out of people's pockets. And they mention why - to put money in other people's pockets. This is a perfectly valid conversation in a forum about money.
What am I posting - the unemployment situation. Do you think that has nothing to do with dancing? The problems with school - is there not the legendary "stripping for school?" Government screwing the pooch left and right. Are you going to tell me government regulation and bumbling has nothing to do with dancing?
Myopic: unimaginative, uncreative, unadventurous, narrow-minded, small-minded, short-term, shortsighted.
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You're right. I should have said "general economics" as opposed to finances that are more specifically related to the stripping industry. As Paris pointed out, you can connect any of these to dancing. But, as another person pointed out, they are topics that will also effect everyone in a similar if not identical way, and therefore would probably be a better fit on a forum for more general discussion on economics.
threlayer
11-19-2009, 03:42 PM
There is no way this forum is filled with general politics...
There is quite a bit of "right-wing ideology", "gloom and doom", and "libertarian economc creed" in most posts lately and those posts have a fiscally political tone. It certainly does get repetitive. But mostly they steer clear of direct political pandering issues. I guess it reflects the times to an extent. Too bad no one else has the time to post much of the centrist views. Sometime I try to put a little broader perspective in those threads.
No. People mention taxes. Money taken out of people's pockets. And they mention why - to put money in other people's pockets. This is a perfectly valid conversation in a forum about money.
Putting someone else's money in your pocket is the prime directive of all strippers. And all other financial transactions.
laurcon
11-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Well maybe people need to start stepping up to what is going on in the economy. In the other parts of stripperweb we can see all kinds of posts about:
Decreased customers
Increased extras
Old customers staying away, new customers are octo-hands
Closed clubs
Increasing competition from many new girls
Increased fees and revenue grabbing by club owners
and what are the answers offered up? Smile more. "Hustle" better. It's all in your attitude.
Or, they can come over here, hunker down with their brains, and start coming to terms with what the fuck is going on around here in the western economies and why.
I have to grin when it's all "Doom and Gloom" in Dollar Den. Well fuck, look at all these people on 2 years of unemployment, kicked out of their homes, credit card rates increasing from 12% to 33%, taxes increasing, etc. and then what are we suppose to say? "Buck up girl, try a new dress, smile more (after all it's all attitude) and here's a coupon for some MAC."
Instead of getting mad at some poor schlub who is doing his best to have a nice night out with a $20 dance (instead of the accustomed $100). I mean one group is like "Don't have the money - stay the fuck out!" and then right around the corner is another thread complaining about a club being empty that use to be hopping. Must be the owners fault - yea that's it.
Dollar Den offers up a lot more about what is leading to these conditions I believe.
There is a whole lot of talk about what is shouldn't be in Dollar Den (I mean, why should the community actually use it have a say in about it right?) - How about adding threads "more appropriate" and let the forum evolve in the way you hope it will?
so therefore what are your suggestions? how have you used your brain to come up with something better than "smile, have a positive attitude, and hustle harder"? i'd really love for you to share.
kittygirl
11-19-2009, 11:58 PM
Not that I'm a translator between right and left wing, but that's the whole point...
Why can't immediate investing, 401K, CD's, and banking be handled in one forum while "economics" aka "macroeconomics" aka "finance" be handles with politics where it belongs?
That way "Political Poo" would actually have posts and the economics would spur on the politics.
Who the f*** cares if we disagree, we disagree about body lotion. This is far more interesting.
If is was remotely accessible. I majored in Economics/Political Economy, not that that means much in this world, but even this stuff is so out there. Probably because you'd need to join and idealize the IMF to get it all...The right approaches politics as economics, the left approaches power as politics.
Key word POWER. Let's have a power forum open to all.
Mr Hyde
11-20-2009, 09:18 AM
Well, it was a nice effort Paris. Looks like nothings going to come of it, and dollar den will continue to be general politics. I do appreciate you trying to bring the focus back to stripping related topics. I have no idea why Eric and Deogol, et al feel these subjects need to be posted on a forum specifically related to stripping. It really drowns out the relevant posts.
Yes, I agree. I would contribute to this forum if it were different but it's obvious that it's not going to change, so I'll just ignore it for the most part.
threlayer
11-20-2009, 02:45 PM
...Why can't immediate investing, 401K, CD's, and banking be handled in one forum while "economics" aka "macroeconomics" aka "finance" be handles with politics where it belongs?...
^^ Hence my suggestions about subsections......
Or a sub-sections much like is in the Lounge -- Forum Games, Quizzes, and Surveys
Subsections could be titled for example :
Personal Money Issues
Starting My Business and Taxes
Long Term Planning and Macroeconomics