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LuckyOne
12-04-2009, 11:27 AM
I didn't read every word of the whole thread, but Will I tend to agree with you. I have a problem with cultures that disrespect women in an extreme way. I have seen a Jordanian grandmother raising her son to be a little MONSTER and I think in India/Pakistan and parts of the middle east children are taught that women are inferior and to treat them poorly from a young age. I don't care to interact with these people.

Earl_the_Pearl
12-04-2009, 11:28 AM
actually, women are treated better if they kill their spouse than men, in western europe and america.
In the US of A this goes for all crime; women receive over two years less prison time for the same crime with the same record than men do.

The Federal criminal sentencing guidelines was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2005. It required equal treatment under the law for men and women; it stated in part that males and females who commit the same crime and have the same prior criminal record be sentenced equally.

AmberHoney
12-04-2009, 09:55 PM
I agree with the first part of your statement we are the most civilized with truly altruistic motives. I disagree that other cultures must subjugate themselves to US. The existence of the Islamic Republic of Iraq proves both of my thoughts.

It is the white mans fault is the mantra of the half of the world's population with below average intelligence.

Do you really believe that people who feel against the white man or blame the white man are of below average intelligence?

That's such an elitist and exclusive frame of mind to be in.

It really bothers me when people have that mentality that they just are NOT to be blamed. When blame isn't even the issue. It's responsibility that is at hand.

If I walk up to you and break your arms, legs, bash your head in, ans shoot you in the stomach and you actually survice... you're not blaming me for hurting you. I hurt you. It's not your fault. It's mine. And you're entitled to be angry, bitter, resentful, and want some measure of "making it right" done. And if you NEVER heal right... and you can't work the job you know how to do, and can't go learn another trade due to chronic pain and illness due to the break I caused... you're not a lazy waste of life. There is something very real that happened...you've been injured, and you've been crippled. Since I can't fix YOU, then it becomes my responsibility to ensure that your offspring and your family have the chance they would have had, if I hadn't wounded you. If I don't do that...I'm ensuring that any generation that comes after you will have that same feeling of being crippled UNTIL someone or something changes it.

Injuries aren't always tangible like a physical assault. Sometimes the psychological damage is worse than the physical damage. The psychological damage reaches out soooo much further and lasts soooo much longer.

kittygirl
12-04-2009, 11:52 PM
Miabelle, just like people love to call trolls, dare I say I cal you as a man, maybe transgendered. Joking, but not totally your posts boggle me.

Women in Islamic North African countries are treated better? - ever heard of female circumcision.

Yes. The Middle East might fare worse for battery acid crap, but then they point to us and our prostitutes being raped and slaughtered. Not just prostitutes but "normal" women. Don't think you can isolate the crime from the society it comes from right? That's both our logic.

It happens everywhere.

Yes, colonialism does affect things for centuries. Deogol, I know you know better since you've been around a hundred years. Colonial rule causes problems. But I know you don't want to believe that, Christ you benefitted from it and have never been the victim, you're an expert.

All cultures treat women like crap. We just have to change it. Everywhere.

Earl_the_Pearl
12-05-2009, 01:23 AM
If I walk up to you and break your arms, legs, bash your head in, ans shoot you in the stomach and you actually survice... you're not blaming me for hurting you. I hurt you. It's not your fault. It's mine.
Oh no it is my fault for not being ready to fight; 1000 times more so because I was defeated by a weaker vessel.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 01:29 AM
^^^ so I guess you're going to stop complaining about women getting shorter sentences then?

Will
12-05-2009, 06:43 AM
I didn't read every word of the whole thread, but Will I tend to agree with you. I have a problem with cultures that disrespect women in an extreme way. I have seen a Jordanian grandmother raising her son to be a little MONSTER and I think in India/Pakistan and parts of the middle east children are taught that women are inferior and to treat them poorly from a young age. I don't care to interact with these people.

Can't blame you for that kiddo! :-\

AmberHoney
12-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Oh no it is my fault for not being ready to fight; 1000 times more so because I was defeated by a weaker vessel.

Channeling my inner 9 year old: Earl... you are a meanie and you just suck. >:(

Elvia
12-05-2009, 05:57 PM
^^^ don't let it bother you. He doesn't really feel that way. He needs to put women, and strippers down especially, because he feels trampled by them. It's clear in the many posts where he rambles on about how they've all taken advantage of him...the ex wife, the dancers, etc. You're talking about the guy who expanded the definition of PL ("pathetic loser") so he could be included.

AmberHoney
12-05-2009, 07:01 PM
^^^ don't let it bother you. He doesn't really feel that way. He needs to put women, and strippers down especially, because he feels trampled by them. It's clear in the many posts where he rambles on about how they've all taken advantage of him...the ex wife, the dancers, etc. You're talking about the guy who expanded the definition of PL ("pathetic loser") so he could be included.


That explains so much, now that I look back on things.

Thank you.

miabella
12-05-2009, 08:13 PM
Miabelle, just like people love to call trolls, dare I say I cal you as a man, maybe transgendered. Joking, but not totally your posts boggle me.

Women in Islamic North African countries are treated better? - ever heard of female circumcision.

Yes. The Middle East might fare worse for battery acid crap, but then they point to us and our prostitutes being raped and slaughtered. Not just prostitutes but "normal" women. Don't think you can isolate the crime from the society it comes from right? That's both our logic.

It happens everywhere.

Yes, colonialism does affect things for centuries. Deogol, I know you know better since you've been around a hundred years. Colonial rule causes problems. But I know you don't want to believe that, Christ you benefitted from it and have never been the victim, you're an expert.

All cultures treat women like crap. We just have to change it. Everywhere.

i was speaking in a historical context and not referring to north africa.

Kellydancer
12-05-2009, 09:15 PM
^^^ don't let it bother you. He doesn't really feel that way. He needs to put women, and strippers down especially, because he feels trampled by them. It's clear in the many posts where he rambles on about how they've all taken advantage of him...the ex wife, the dancers, etc. You're talking about the guy who expanded the definition of PL ("pathetic loser") so he could be included.

In a previous thread he said that women should only be wives and mothers or career women, but shouldn't be both. I didn't know if he was "joking" or if he was serious, but sounds like he was serious. I learned a long time ago to ignore people with that mindset.

Elvia
12-05-2009, 11:08 PM
^^^ Earl says a lot of things to get a rise out of people.

Kellydancer
12-05-2009, 11:33 PM
I've noticed that about him. People like that have no life and really are pl's.

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 03:36 AM
I wish Pryce would delete this thread, it is racist, ignorant, Islamophobic and insulting. Only a severely non informed human being would think anything mentioned is perfect fact.

FGC == Female Genital Cutting.
The traditional cultural practices of FGC predate Christianity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity) and Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam). A Greek papyrus from 163 B.C. mentions girls in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt) undergoing circumcision and it is widely accepted to have originated in Egypt and the Nile valley at the time of the Pharaohs. Evidence from mummies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummies) have shown both Type I and Type III FGC present.[/URL] (Note that the earliest evidence of male circumcision (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting#cite_note-Skaine_2005-39) is also from Ancient Egypt.)

Most Muslims reject this practice in its entirety, however it remains a tradition within certain countries which was not entirely overcome by the arrival of Christianity and Islam. A lack of religious education among these people leads them to mistakenly believe this ancient tribal practice is a religious observance.


UNICEF reports that:
"... Al-Azhar Supreme Council of Islamic Research, the highest religious authority in Egypt, issued a statement saying FGM/C has no basis in core Islamic law or any of its partial provisions and that it is harmful and should not be practiced." In fact, this pre-Islamic barbarity runs contrary to the Islamic tenet which dictates that a man should make sure his wife enjoys their lovemaking.
Coptic Pope Shenouda, the leader of Egypt's minority Christian community, said that neither the Quran nor the Bible demand or mention female circumcision.


[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting#Procedures:_World_Health_Or ganization_categorization



Middle East, term traditionally applied by western Europeans to the countries of SW Asia and NE Africa lying W of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. Thus defined it includes Cyprus, the Asian part of Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, the countries of the Arabian peninsula (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait), and Egypt and Libya. The area was viewed as midway between Europe and East Asia (traditionally called the Far East (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/world/A0818252.html)). The term is sometimes used in a cultural sense to mean the group of lands in that part of the world predominantly Islamic in culture, thus including the remaining states of N Africa as well as Afghanistan and Pakistan. In the 20th cent. the Middle East has been the scene of political turmoil and major warfare, including World War I, World War II, the Arab-Israeli Wars (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0804479.html), the Iran-Iraq War (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0825449.html) and the Persian Gulf Wars (http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0838511.html).

http://english.aljazeera.net/

Alaan abok labo abook, yabn al gahba okho el gahba, yal manyoch kess ommek o ommen yabetek! @ The person who started this post.

Earl_the_Pearl
12-06-2009, 03:37 AM
I wish Pryce would delete this thread, it is racist, ignorant, Islamophobic and insulting. Only a severely non informed human being would think anything mentioned is perfect fact.

FGC == Female Genital Cutting.

The OP did not mention a religion or female genital mutilation. The only thing I find racist and ignorant is blaming the white man for every evil in the world.

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 03:42 AM
The OP did not mention a religion or female genital mutilation. The only thing I find racist and ignorant is blaming the white man for every evil in the world.

That is another topic all together.. ::) The original poster just started the fire, the rest was gasoline added to the racist garbage.

Deogol
12-06-2009, 07:54 AM
I wish Pryce would delete this thread, it is racist, ignorant, Islamophobic and insulting. Only a severely non informed human being would think anything mentioned is perfect fact.


And then you went on to post one of the most useful posts in the entire thread. Would you rather people continue wallowing in ignorance or use this thread to aid in enlightenment?

Remember, while it feels like you are only having a conversation with a few posters - there are 3x as many lurkers reading what you write.

Will
12-06-2009, 08:07 AM
I wish Pryce would delete this thread, it is racist, ignorant, Islamophobic and insulting. Only a severely non informed human being would think anything mentioned is perfect fact.
.

I don't know what a "perfect fact" is, but what I posted is well confirmed information. You didn't supply anything that counters it, and I made no racist remarks, etc, that you claim. Now, the thread did go into other topics (that you addressed) but that aint my fault. If you would like to address the specifics of what I posted: the common practice of throwing acid on women in various countries, the fact very few men are prosecuted for these acts, please do so.

Personally, I would like to see a little less cultural sensitivity and a little more outrage. ;)

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 10:46 AM
I don't know what a "perfect fact" is, but what I posted is well confirmed information. You didn't supply anything that counters it, and I made no racist remarks, etc, that you claim. Now, the thread did go into other topics (that you addressed) but that aint my fault. If you would like to address the specifics of what I posted: the common practice of throwing acid on women in various countries, the fact very few men are prosecuted for these acts, please do so.

Personally, I would like to see a little less cultural sensitivity and a little more outrage. ;)


Acid throwing or vitriolage is a form of violent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence) assault (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault).[ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Karmakar-0)Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid) at their victims (usually at their faces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face)), burning them, and damaging skin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin) tissue, often exposing and sometimes dissolving the bones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone).[/URL] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Swanson-1)The consequences of these attacks include blindness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindness) and permanent scarring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarring) of the face and body. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bandyopadhyay_Khan-2) These attacks are common in Cambodia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4), Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-NYT-2001-07-22-5), India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Chavis-6), Bangladesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Whalen-7), (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bandyopadhyay_Khan-2) Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and other Asian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bandyopadhyay_Khan-2) countries.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4) According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed, 80% of victims of these acid attacks are female and almost 40% are under 18 years of age.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4)


n 2002, Bangladesh introduced the death penalty for throwing acid and laws strictly controlling the sales of acids.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bangladesh_laws-25)
Under the Qisas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qisas) law of Pakistan, the perpetrator may suffer the same fate as the victim, and may be punished by having drops of acid placed in their eyes.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-quisas-26)

This law is not binding and is rarely enforced according to a New York Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times) report.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-video.nytimes.com-10)



Iran has a similar law, and sentenced an attacker to be blinded in 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameneh_Bahrami)



India speaks Hindi
Pakistan speaks Urdu
Iran speaks Farsi
Afghanastan speaks Farsi


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing



This is not a common practice in most Arab speaking countries.


Another common East Asian practice.


Bride-burning is a form of domestic violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence) practiced in Bangladesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh), India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and other countries located on or around the Indian subcontinent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_subcontinent). A category of dowry death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry_death), bride-burning occurs when a young woman is murdered by her husband or his family for her family's refusal to pay additional dowry. The wife is typically doused with kerosene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerosene), gasoline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline), or other flammable liquid, and set alight, leading to death by fire.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning#cite_note-0)
Virendra Kumar and Sarita Kanth point out that bride burning has been recognized as an important public health problem in India.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning#cite_note-Kumar-1) They say that it is a historical and cultural issue accounting for around 600-750 deaths per year in India alone.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning#cite_note-Kumar-1) In 1995 Time Magazine reported that dowry deaths in India increased from around 400 a year in the early 1980s to around 5,800 a year by the middle of the 1990s.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning#cite_note-Pratap-2) A year later CNN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN) ran a story saying that every year police receive more than 2,500 reports of bride burning. A band is also named after this practice.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning


Domestic violence, also known as domestic abuse, spousal abuse, child abuse or intimate partner violence (IPV), can be broadly defined a pattern of abusive behaviors by one or both partners in an intimate relationship such as marriage, dating, family, friends or cohabitation. Domestic violence has many forms including physical aggression (hitting, kicking, biting, shoving, restraining, throwing objects), or threats thereof; sexual abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse); emotional abuse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_abuse); controlling or domineering; intimidation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimidation); stalking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking); passive/covert abuse[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-1) (e.g., neglect); and economic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy) deprivation. Domestic violence may or may not constitute a crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime), depending on local statues, severity and duration of specific acts, and other variables. Alcohol consumption[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-Markz-2) and mental illness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_illness)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-3) have frequently been associated with abuse.


Violence between spouses has long been considered a serious problem. The United States has a lengthy history of legal precedent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_precedent) condemning spousal abuse. In 1879, law scholar Nicholas St. John Green[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-5) wrote, "The cases in the American courts are uniform against the right of the husband to use any [physical] chastisement, moderate or otherwise, toward the wife, for any purpose." Green also cites the 1641 Body of Liberties of the Massachusetts Bay colonists -— one of the first legal documents in North American history —- as an early de jure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_jure) condemnation of violence by either spouse.
Popular emphasis has tended to be on women as the victims of domestic violence.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-6) Many studies[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-Strauss.2C_2005-7)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-Archer.2C_2000-8) show that women suffer greater rates of injury due to domestic violence, and some studies show that women suffer higher rates of assault.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-9) Yet, other statistics show that while men tend to inflict injury at higher rates, the majority of domestic violence overall is reciprocal.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence#cite_note-10)


There is no excuse for any of the behavior listed but make sure you have the right culture and countries. Violence is everywhere it depends on the culture, there is no excuse for violence the only answer to this is no matter what color, culture, background we come from; we are human and to be human is to be violent it is in our nature.


(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bride_burning#cite_note-CNN1996-3)





[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4"] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-27)

Will
12-06-2009, 11:11 AM
These attacks are common in Cambodia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodia), Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan), India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India), Bangladesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh), Pakistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan) and other Asian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia) countries.

Ergo, not uncommon, and happening in a wide range of countries.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4)


This law is not binding and is rarely enforced

Bingo



Iran has a similar law, and sentenced an attacker to be blinded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameneh_Bahrami)



"An attacker" = singular. Ergo, rarely enforced.



This is not a common practice in most Arab speaking countries.

Don't give a damn what they speak...



A year later CNN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNN) ran a story saying that every year police receive more than 2,500 reports of bride burning. A band is also named after this practice.

With actual arrest an punishment being almost non existent because it's culturally accepted by a large portion of the population.



There is no excuse for any of the behavior listed

And even less excuses for that many countries who have a culture that seem to accept that behavior, thus my point. The US/western nations have our problems for sure, and women suffer various issues no doubt, but light someone on fire or throw acid in their face = arrest and going to jail, and the arrest rates for such things is very high on the rare times it happens. Domestic violence happens everywhere, but a black eye, etc, if far far from being lit on fire, and having your attacker walk free as is the case in these countries.


but make sure you have the right culture and countries.

Where/when have I named the wrong country or culture in this thread?


Violence is everywhere it depends on the culture, there is no excuse for violence the only answer to this is no matter what color, culture, background we come from; we are human and to be human is to be violent it is in our nature.

Everything you posted confirms everything I said. Humans are very violent by nature, but some cultures are worse then others, and pointing that out does not make one racist, phobic, etc.

Lets start caring more about the victims then cultural sensitivity. Is that too much to ask?

Dirty Ernie
12-06-2009, 12:09 PM
Anyone tries to look me in the eye and justify this on cultural/religious grounds deserves some old school punishment.

Oooh...old school punishment. Whatcha gonna do, throw acid in my face? Maybe, if I was female, you would call me a witch, bind me, and throw me in the river, or if I was African American you could call me your property and tie me to a tree and whip me. We talkin that kinda old school? What sick culture could allow those type of things? Damn them and their descendants!

OK, so now I care more about the victims than cultural sensitivity. Now what? The victim's plight is not improved in any way. Your point seems to be we should all just think more like you. Think I'll pass on that.

Wow the Lounge and Cust Convo is now starting to feel like the Members Boards.

Will
12-06-2009, 12:23 PM
Oooh...old school punishment. Whatcha gonna do, throw acid in my face? Maybe, if I was female, you would call me a witch, bind me, and throw me in the river, or if I was African American you could call me your property and tie me to a tree and whip me. We talkin that kinda old school? What sick culture could allow those type of things? Damn them and their descendants!

The above makes no sense to me. If it does to anyone else, translate please.


OK, so now I care more about the victims than cultural sensitivity. Now what? The victim's plight is not improved in any way. Your point seems to be we should all just think more like you. .

If that's the total of what you came away with from what I wrote, that's fine. Sad, but fine.../:O


Wow the Lounge and Cust Convo is now starting to feel like the Members Boards.

I thought raising some awareness of this ongoing treatment of women - on a forum visited mostly by women - was potentially useful info. Sorry I actually strained your brain with the topic.

All, I felt passionate about the topic (still do) and posted it with some venting on my end. I don't mean to be obtuse, but I also find very little wiggle room on this one personally.

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 12:43 PM
[/URL]Why pour acid on someone when you can just kill them.. this is also a lower socio-economic group of under and uneducated people. These same people, burn their wives and pour acid on their daughters, this is not just a husband attacking a wife the whole issue is complex and is not to be generalized. These are developing nations, tribal societies to some extent and in the major metro areas it's like being in the 1970's / 1980's. Have you ever been to the Middle east yourself or India? the title of this post Fu%$ You and your culture is why I feel this posting is in general disgusting. Unless you are going to volunteer for the Peace Corps, or personally go to East Asia or the Middle East this is a problem that their society will take care of itself.

It is no the United States job to police the world but it does, sometimes it is better to watch than interfere but since most Western people feel their culture is superior to Eastern culture,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvO575U-25g (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#cite_note-35)

I find the link above disturbing and wrong, because converting from Islam to Christianity leads to things like honor killing or death in general, I guess some people do not realize the rest of the globe is not the United States and freedom of religion is not the norm or standard. These people do not care how many people die in Iraq. Then again I am not Christian so I am very biased when it comes to forced conversion. Baptists freak me out!

I would rather have acid poured on me, burned to death or killed than to think how most of these people think. Some women are actually mutilating themselves to avoid getting married completely.
This is sometimes due to the woman wanting a career and to not be a stay at home mother, it is sad that a woman must resort to these kinds of tactics to get what she wants.

Though divorce rates are lower in the ME and EA, Family plays a large role in this and even though domestic violence is presumed to be prominent that is not exactly the way it goes.
What one reads and reality are in some cases greatly different.

In 2008, 46% of all marriages involve a remarriage for one or both spouses. It is estimated that 40% of all marriages have ended in divorce as of 2008.

The rate of divorce in the United Kingdom has been dropping in recent years. In 2007 the divorce rate in England and Wales was recorded at 11.9 people per every 1000 of the married population. This is the lowest divorce rate recorded since 1981

In 2000, Belgium had the highest divorce rate at 2.9 per 1,000 people, and Italy and the Republic of Ireland the lowest rate at 0.7

Japan in 2008, the number of divorces totaled 251,000, and the divorce rate was 1.99 (per 1,000 population)

India and Sri Lanka are the two countries that have the lowest divorce rates, around one and one and a half per cent respectively. In this part of Asia divorce is still very rare, although it is more common in South East Asia. In India, for example, arranged marriage is still fairly prominent although not as common as it once was. Divorce is not deemed as acceptable as it is in other cultures and therefore many either make a concerted effort to work through relationship problems or remain in unhappy marriages.(Possible cause for the nasty domestic violence?)

In Islamic law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) and marital jurisprudence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_marital_jurisprudence), divorce is accepted and referred to as talaq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talaq_%28Nikah%29).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#cite_note-7)
In the medieval Islamic world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age) and the Ottoman Empire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire), the rate of divorce was higher than it is today in the modern Middle East (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East), which now has generally low rates of divorce.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#cite_note-Rapoport-8) In 15th century Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt), Al-Sakhawi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Sakhawi) recorded the marital history of 500 women (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam), the largest sample (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_%28statistics%29) on marriage in the Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Ages), and found that at least a third of all women in the Mamluk Sultanate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamluk_Sultanate_%28Cairo%29) of Egypt and Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) married more than once, with many marrying three or more times. According to Al-Sakhawi, as many as three out of ten marriages in 15th century Cairo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo) ended in divorce.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#cite_note-9) In the early 20th century, some villages in western Java (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java) and the Malay peninsula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_peninsula) had divorce rates as high as 70%



Cousin marriage is a legally or socially recognized marriage between two cousins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce#cite_note-1), or persons sharing a common ancestor.
In some jurisdictions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction) and cultures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture), such marriages are legal and actively encouraged, while in others they are regarded as incest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest) and prohibited (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibited_degree_of_kinship). Still other cultures merely tolerate marriages between first cousins, but at the same time these unions are not encouraged.
Any random two people have a common ancestor and are cousins to some degree, but most people don't know their common ancestor. Usually, unless otherwise qualified, "cousin" means first cousin, someone with whom one shares one pair of grandparents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage






An honor killing (also called a customary killing) is the murder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder) of a family or clan member by one or more fellow family members, where the murderers (and potentially the wider community) believe the victim to have brought dishonor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour) upon the family, clan, or community. This perceived dishonor is normally the result of (a) utilizing dress codes unacceptable to the family (b) wanting out of an arranged marriage or choosing to marry by own choice or (c) engaging in certain sexual acts. These killings result from the perception that defense of honor justifies killing a person whose behavior dishonors their clan or family.
The United Nations Population Fund (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Population_Fund) (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide total of honor-killing victims may be as high as 5,000

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing


All of these things take place in the United States as well, it's just not going to make the local 7pm news.


Ergo, not uncommon, and happening in a wide range of countries.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing#cite_note-Bahl_Syed-4)



Bingo




"An attacker" = singular. Ergo, rarely enforced.




Don't give a damn what they speak...




With actual arrest an punishment being almost non existent because it's culturally accepted by a large portion of the population.




And even less excuses for that many countries who have a culture that seem to accept that behavior, thus my point. The US/western nations have our problems for sure, and women suffer various issues no doubt, but light someone on fire or throw acid in their face = arrest and going to jail, and the arrest rates for such things is very high on the rare times it happens. Domestic violence happens everywhere, but a black eye, etc, if far far from being lit on fire, and having your attacker walk free as is the case in these countries.



Where/when have I named the wrong country or culture in this thread?



Everything you posted confirms everything I said. Humans are very violent by nature, but some cultures are worse then others, and pointing that out does not make one racist, phobic, etc.

Lets start caring more about the victims then cultural sensitivity. Is that too much to ask?

Will
12-06-2009, 12:52 PM
Why pour acid on someone when you can just kill them.. this is also a lower socio-economic group of under and uneducated people. These same people, burn their wives and pour acid on their daughters, this is not just a husband attacking a wife the whole issue is complex and is not to be generalized. These are developing nations, tribal societies to some extent and in the major metro areas it's like being in the 1970's / 1980's. Have you ever been to the Middle east yourself or India? the title of this post Fu%$ You and your culture is why I feel this posting is in general disgusting. Unless you are going to volunteer for the Peace Corps, or personally go to East Asia or the Middle East this is a problem that their society will take care of itself.

Although I don't agree with everything you have written here, I do appreciate your taking the time to add real indepth info and responses to the thread and the topic at hand. I think what you have written givers a good account of the 'other side' of it, from which, people reading the thread can decide where they fall on it all. Thanx...

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 12:58 PM
Although I don't agree with everything you have written here, I do appreciate your taking the time to add real indepth info and responses to the thread and the topic at hand. I think what you have written givers a good account of the 'other side' of it, from which, people reading the thread can decide where they fall on it all. Thanx...

Thanks for the compliment, now how to get rid of post marital belly flab LOL I checked out your website :P

AmberHoney
12-06-2009, 08:02 PM
Thank you for breaking down the languages for people.

You have to SPEAK Arabic or be a descendant of Arabic speakers to be an Arab.

I try to explain the "Arabic Race" the same way I try to explain the "Hispanic Race". Neither is really even a race at all... but what it is is a culture bound by language, customs, some general moral (not religious) beliefs. They/we can be of any race whether it's white, black, asian, a mixture of one, two, or all three of them.

I forgot that Afghanis speak Farsi... and a lot of them totally do. Most of the Afghanis I know speak Pashto and I know quite a few Pakistanis that speak Pashto as well... I think they're from the same tribes that probably pre-date India/Pakistan/Afghanistan drawing up the current borders they have.

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 08:40 PM
Thank you for breaking down the languages for people.

You have to SPEAK Arabic or be a descendant of Arabic speakers to be an Arab.

I try to explain the "Arabic Race" the same way I try to explain the "Hispanic Race". Neither is really even a race at all... but what it is is a culture bound by language, customs, some general moral (not religious) beliefs. They/we can be of any race whether it's white, black, asian, a mixture of one, two, or all three of them.

I forgot that Afghanis speak Farsi... and a lot of them totally do. Most of the Afghanis I know speak Pashto and I know quite a few Pakistanis that speak Pashto as well... I think they're from the same tribes that probably pre-date India/Pakistan/Afghanistan drawing up the current borders they have.

I don't want to have a flame war, but I am going to post information that is pro-Islam, I had to try and explain the worst things that happen in cultures that unless you live in that country or spend time with the people cannot completely understand.

At the beginning Islam was the most revolutionary liberalization of women's rights the civilized world has ever seen. But afterwards Muslims became ignorant of this and now Muslim countries are the scene of some of the worst abuses of women's rights. As the Latin proverb says, "Corruptio optimi pessima" (When the best is corrupted, it becomes the worst). The Qur’ân expresses the same theme in Sűrat al-Tîn: "We created man in the best pattern, and later reduced him to the lowest of the low."
Think of the possibilities for liberalization based on purely Islamic sources, not taking anything from the modern West. That would be truly Islamic feminism. The origin of Islam is far more liberal and feminist than what subsequent generations made of it. Women's rights were established by the Qur’ân and the Prophet (peace be upon him), who after all loved women; we need to filter out the spurious anti-woman hadiths that were added later. Although the term feminism has developed a somewhat poisonous connotation in today's discourse, it really just means the promotion of women's God-given rights and liberties, which is to the good of everyone.
We humans are essentially spiritual souls, and true liberation would begin from that identity. It's a shame that so often in the profane modern world, which only believes in quantity, all relationships are reduced to a zero-sum game of power. If feminism becomes nothing more than a power grab—men hold power over women, so now it's women's turn to seize the power and use it against men in turn—then no one advances any further toward higher enlightenment; the contest stays on the same horizontal level, the same problems recur in new guise with no resolution.
Men may fear or distrust "feminism" if they think it means nothing more than women gaining control over them. But genuine women's liberation would be liberating for all people, men and women alike. Not an issue of who wields power over whom, but transcending that whole issue of power, lifting our consciousness to a higher plane. A woman who is truly liberated would not be stuck in that old power struggle; she would not seek to control men any more than she would accept being controlled by men. Rather, both men and women would rejoice at being freed to relate to one another as loving, spiritual beings. This is real, and most of all the Sufis have actualized it. This is what the Prophet (peace be upon him) brought, if only that original liberating spirit could be released from under the dead weight of centuries of cultural repression like "purdah", which came not from Islam, but from the concubinage of the ancient Greeks and Romans, where women had no rights and were property owned by their fathers, husbands, and slave masters, so it is nothing but jâhilîyah pretending to be Islam, while Islam established the independent, equal status of women for the first time in civilization.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrights2.htm

How many American men are just as afraid of truly liberated women? If they could get away with burning, throwing acid or killing they would do it in a heart beat because man will destroy anything it does not understand or like.





And since genital cutting aka mutilation aka female circumcision has been a topic then sign this like I did and help do something.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/958269284

Earl_the_Pearl
12-06-2009, 09:18 PM
How many American men are just as afraid of truly liberated women? If they could get away with burning, throwing acid or killing they would do it in a heart beat because man will destroy anything it does not understand or like.
That is about the most insulting misandry thing I have read. The only reason men cannot do that is because men enforce the law. What sex is the speaker of the house and sectary of state of the US of A?

I may not understand women but I sure do like them; I like them long time.

pinupgurl2k6
12-06-2009, 09:21 PM
That is about the most insulting misandry thing I have read. The only reason men cannot do that is because men enforce the law. What sex is the speaker of the house and sectary of state of the US of A?

I may not understand women but I sure do like them; I like them long time.



Not all men love women, there are more misogynists than one can imagine almost like Batman and the Joker.. You created me, would be a misogynists answer to a woman asking him why he hates her gender.

Misogyny (pronounced /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is hatred (or contempt) of women or girls. Misogyny comes from Greek misogunia (μισογυνία) from misos (μῖσος, "hatred") and gynē (γυνή, "woman"). It is parallel to misandry—the hatred of men or boys. Misogyny is also comparable with (but not the same as) misanthropy which is the hatred of humanity in general. The prefix miso-, meaning 'Hatred' or 'To hate' applies in many other words, such as misandry, misocapny, misogamy, misarchy and misoxeny.

Marcus Tullius Cicero reports that Greek philosophers considered misogyny to be caused by gynophobia, a fear of women.[1] In the late 20th century, feminist theorists proposed misogyny as both a cause and result of patriarchal social structures.[2]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny

Wow there are women in the United State's Congress and Senate and in the White House. I guess that is an improvement from 50 years ago when most women were at home and plenty were closet alcoholics, at least women are no longer burning their bras but, I will state this, we don't get paid the same amount of money to do the same job as someone with a different chromosome.

Will
12-07-2009, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the compliment, now how to get rid of post marital belly flab LOL I checked out your website :P

Actually, take a look at the article that got me to SW, called "Fitness For Dancers"

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46456&highlight=fitness+dancers

It's not an exact answer to your question, but will get you headed in the right directions. Take a look around my site. There's tons of free info there also on all things health/fitness/weigh loss related.

pinupgurl2k6
12-07-2009, 04:16 PM
Actually, take a look at the article that got me to SW, called "Fitness For Dancers"

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46456&highlight=fitness+dancers

It's not an exact answer to your question, but will get you headed in the right directions. Take a look around my site. There's tons of free info there also on all things health/fitness/weigh loss related.

Thank you Will, I have been using my DDR2 for an hour a day for the last two weeks and the cardio has helped, I just need to remember all good things come with time and not to push it to the extreme just out of pure vanity.;D

firemaiden04
12-07-2009, 06:02 PM
Not all men love women, there are more misogynists than one can imagine almost like Batman and the Joker.. You created me, would be a misogynists answer to a woman asking him why he hates her gender.

Agreed. I've met tons of men who (example) had a girlfriend when they were 14 who one day started holding hands with another guy, and they never got over it, and their mission in their mid-20's was to "fuck and dump as many bitches as possible," because all women are whores, right? That 14-year-old slut proved it. Just because they don't throw acid on them doesn't mean they don't hate women. Now, not all men are like this, so don't misquote me. But I have met tons of them. Especially in upstate NY. They're like locusts. They're EVERYWHERE.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 11:11 AM
I don't want to have a flame war, but I am going to post information that is pro-Islam, I had to try and explain the worst things that happen in cultures that unless you live in that country or spend time with the people cannot completely understand.

At the beginning Islam was the most revolutionary liberalization of women's rights the civilized world has ever seen. But afterwards Muslims became ignorant of this and now Muslim countries are the scene of some of the worst abuses of women's rights. As the Latin proverb says, "Corruptio optimi pessima" (When the best is corrupted, it becomes the worst). The Qur’ân expresses the same theme in Sűrat al-Tîn: "We created man in the best pattern, and later reduced him to the lowest of the low."
Think of the possibilities for liberalization based on purely Islamic sources, not taking anything from the modern West. That would be truly Islamic feminism. The origin of Islam is far more liberal and feminist than what subsequent generations made of it. Women's rights were established by the Qur’ân and the Prophet (peace be upon him), who after all loved women; we need to filter out the spurious anti-woman hadiths that were added later. Although the term feminism has developed a somewhat poisonous connotation in today's discourse, it really just means the promotion of women's God-given rights and liberties, which is to the good of everyone.
We humans are essentially spiritual souls, and true liberation would begin from that identity. It's a shame that so often in the profane modern world, which only believes in quantity, all relationships are reduced to a zero-sum game of power. If feminism becomes nothing more than a power grab—men hold power over women, so now it's women's turn to seize the power and use it against men in turn—then no one advances any further toward higher enlightenment; the contest stays on the same horizontal level, the same problems recur in new guise with no resolution.
Men may fear or distrust "feminism" if they think it means nothing more than women gaining control over them. But genuine women's liberation would be liberating for all people, men and women alike. Not an issue of who wields power over whom, but transcending that whole issue of power, lifting our consciousness to a higher plane. A woman who is truly liberated would not be stuck in that old power struggle; she would not seek to control men any more than she would accept being controlled by men. Rather, both men and women would rejoice at being freed to relate to one another as loving, spiritual beings. This is real, and most of all the Sufis have actualized it. This is what the Prophet (peace be upon him) brought, if only that original liberating spirit could be released from under the dead weight of centuries of cultural repression like "purdah", which came not from Islam, but from the concubinage of the ancient Greeks and Romans, where women had no rights and were property owned by their fathers, husbands, and slave masters, so it is nothing but jâhilîyah pretending to be Islam, while Islam established the independent, equal status of women for the first time in civilization.
http://www.islamfortoday.com/womensrights2.htm

How many American men are just as afraid of truly liberated women? If they could get away with burning, throwing acid or killing they would do it in a heart beat because man will destroy anything it does not understand or like.





And since genital cutting aka mutilation aka female circumcision has been a topic then sign this like I did and help do something.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/958269284






I find it very sad and interesting some of AmberHoneys posts and Jd coming in defense to lsam in regards to how women are treated . A very good friend of mine was from yemen and married (at the age of twelve years old off to her first cousin who was thirty five which is permitted in Islam, She was brought up a in very devout muslim household aswell as her husband first cousin that followed everything in islam like how Muhammad wanted by what he taught and how he lived his life by example (who had eleven wives and married one of his wives Aisha when she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was nine) In islam men are allowed to have four wives Muhammed had eleven!

She made me aware about Islam, What she had to go threw and every muslim female from being raped by her husband being beaten for not listening to her husband , She ran away after her family refused to come to her aid, She seeked asylum by having to lie that her family was killed off, That she only had relatives in Europe where she was sent to holland and meet a fellow apostate muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali (which apostasy in islam is punishable by death)

Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote the movie "Submission" , The director of the movie Theo Van Gogh was killed by a devout muslim in the street because of the movie.

Instead of arguing trying to debate with ignorant people regarding it my friend me told to post the movie because i spoke to her regarding this topic with her. Videos of apostate muslim female voices that lived it threw the islamic way of life culture.


YouTube - Submission (Part 1) Written By Ayaan Hirsi & Directed By Theo van Gogh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rS8FJyX3gs)

YouTube - Ayaan Hirsi Ali- on AndersonCooper360 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STDPjR6T1-A)


YouTube - Wafa Sultan Debating Islamic Cleric (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE&feature=related)

J.D.
12-08-2009, 11:27 AM
The point is, there are good and bad people in any race/religion/culture. It would be an ignorant and wrong statement to say that Islam permits treating women badly. Any guy who thinks this behavior is okay because he is Muslim is wrong.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 11:29 AM
YouTube - Wafa Sultan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up3yuQDAWKQ)


YouTube - Sharia (Islamic) Law: Cruel and Usual Punishment - Nonie Darwish (1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8LwPJ2ucKk)

YouTube - Women in Islam - Nonie Darwish (1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e-yFJ35epE)

YouTube - Women in Islam - Nonie Darwish (2 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NawJWPilg&feature=related)


Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi Saudi Marriage Officiant

YouTube - Islam Permits Sex with One-Year-Old Girls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A&feature=PlayList&p=EF57018E9121E27E&index=21)

Will
12-08-2009, 11:46 AM
Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi Saudi Marriage Offiviant

YouTube - Islam Permits Sex with One-Year-Old Girls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsExiAbCk1A&feature=PlayList&p=EF57018E9121E27E&index=21)

According to Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi above, Muhammad is the model to follow, who married a 6 year old girl, but "waited" to have sex with her until she was 9....:O

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 11:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0&feature=related

Rape is condoned in Islam as you see in this video of a wife.

Rape is also condoned in Islam of non muslim females captured in war.

AmberHoney
12-08-2009, 01:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hgKcFXfRA0&feature=related

Rape is condoned in Islam as you see in this video of a wife.

Rape is also condoned in Islam of non muslim females captured in war.

You're using the word condoned in place of the phrase "sometimes it happens because of unfortunate circumstances and it's not advised or openly accepted but since it DOES happen, it has been described".

You can use gay man sex and rape in prison as an example. It's not condoned, but because of extremely unnatural circumstances - it does happen and has been described and detailed.

Let's talk about Fundamental Christians and how disgusting and fucked up THEY are as a people.

Oh wait - no one wants to do that.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 04:06 PM
You're using the word condoned in place of the phrase "sometimes it happens because of unfortunate circumstances and it's not advised or openly accepted but since it DOES happen, it has been described".

You can use gay man sex and rape in prison as an example. It's not condoned, but because of extremely unnatural circumstances - it does happen and has been described and detailed.

Let's talk about Fundamental Christians and how disgusting and fucked up THEY are as a people.

Oh wait - no one wants to do that.




Islamic Doctrine discriminate's against kuffars/infidels (arabic for non muslims) are all defamed and not considered equal , Likewise with the view of females they are not considered equal.

If a female is raped in islamic law she must have FOUR MALE WITNESSE'S to testify she was RAPED!!! If not she would be considered of commiting adultery which is punishable by death.

Christian doctrine doesn't encourage hatred to non christians and start jihad to subjugate them , Their's well over one hundred verses in the quran that incite hatred to kuffars to wage jihad and mention over 500 times about non muslims place in hell , Or teaches to beat a wife if she is disobedient...... Or from condoning rape of non muslims women to enjoy the spoils of the booty of war and selling them as slave's.


My female friend and those brave apostate muslims females are speaking the truth about Islam (that i showed videos of). If islam puts female's in a high pedestal like how you claimed in a post lol (what a joke) why did these women leave Islam??? Why are they speaking about islam with such bitterness??? So are you saying the apostate muslim female's on the videos are just defaming islam and lying???

These females lived under islamic countries under Sharia law!

Unlike you living in a western country that has no idea what islam teaches or what it feels to live in it as a female!

Do you think Muhammad marrying a six year old is a cultural norm to follow????

Their are atleast 50 million child brides in islamic countries do you think their husband is asking for their consent for sex???


Here are a couple quotes from the quran how much love and respect muhammad had for females he surely put them in high pedestals!


Sahih Bukhari, The book of Belief, Volume 1, Book 2, Number 28:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

The Prophet said: "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women who were ungrateful." It was asked, "Do they disbelieve in Allah?" (or are they ungrateful to Allah?) He replied, "They are ungrateful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors and the good (charitable deeds) done to them. If you have always been good (benevolent) to one of them and then she sees something in you (not of her liking), she will say, 'I have never received any good from you."


Volume 4, #6600: "Imran Husain reported that Allah's messenger said: Amongst the inmates of Paradise the women would form a minority."


4:34 Husbands should take full care of their wives, with [the bounties] God has given to some more than others and with what they spend out of their own money. Righteous wives are devout and guard what God would have them guard in the husbands’ absence. If you fear high-handedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.

Sura 4:34 "As those you fear may be rebellious admonish, banish them to their couches, and beat them."


From the Hadith of Abu Dawud, #4428


"Buraidah said: "A woman of Ghamid came to the Prophet and said: "I have committed fornication", He said: "Go back". She returned and on the next day she came to him again, and said: "Perhaps you want to send me back as you did to Maiz b. Malik. I swear by Allah, I am pregnant." He said to her: "Go back". She then returned and came to him the next day. He said to her: "Go back until you give birth to the child." She then returned. When she gave birth to the child she brought the child to him, and said: "Here it is! I have given birth to it." He said: "Go back, and suckle him until you wean him." When she had weaned him, she brought him to him with something in his hand which he was eating. The boy was then given to a certain man of the Muslims and he (the prophet) commanded regarding her. So a pit was dug for her, and he gave orders about her and she was stoned to death. Khalid was one of those who were throwing stones at her. He threw a stone at her. When a drop of blood fell on his cheek, he abused her. The prophet said to him: "Gently, Khalid. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if one who wrongfully takes an extra tax were to repent to a like extent, he would be forgiven". Then giving command regarding her, prayed over her and she was buried.""



Women getting stoned to death today are based on Muhammad's actions by ordering this female to be stoned and other's male and female's alike he ordered stoned to death.


Amber Honey you cant fool me im aware what Islam teache's you cant pull a Hijab/Burka over my eye's.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 04:28 PM
According to Dr. Ahmad Al-Mu'bi above, Muhammad is the model to follow, who married a 6 year old girl, but "waited" to have sex with her until she was 9....:O



It's in the Quran

Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death) (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064); see also Numbers 65 and 88



The American photographer Stephanie Sinclair is the winner of the international photo competition “UNICEF Photo of the Year”. Her photo shows a wedding couple in Afghanistan who could not be more opposite. The groom, Mohammed, looks much older than his 40 years. The bride, Ghulam, is still a child; she just turned 11. “The UNICEF Photo of the Year 2007 raises awareness about a worldwide problem. Millions of girls are married while they are still under age. Most of theses child brides are forever denied a self-determined life”, says UNICEF Patroness Eva Luise Köhler at the award ceremony in Berlin. According to UNICEF, there are about 60 million young women worldwide who were married before they came of age, half of them in South Asia.


UNICEF Photo of the Year 2007s (http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/english/index.htm)

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 04:32 PM
http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/bilder/3396824-Custom05.JPG



Very scary but real image i think many muslim men should wear the burka not only are they hideous to look at, But what they follow and believe how they treat women is just as ugly.

AmberHoney
12-08-2009, 07:24 PM
Wow only 4 witnesses? Instead of say.... 12?

You can't google up religion, btw.

Whatever you are searching for is what you're gonna find.

If I type in "Christian Rape Woman Abuse" - I'll find just what I'm looking for. Same for Islam, Judaism, etc.

kandie_kitten
12-08-2009, 07:39 PM
Christian doctrines don't teach Christians to hate and hurt peoples of other faiths? Really? Guess you haven't read that Bible lately.


Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And we all know how terrific the Bible is to women! There's a lovely passage about gang rape (that's deemed totally acceptable) in:

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)

My point is not to say that Christianity is horrible. My point is that any religion, if taken in a literal context, can mean horrible things.

AmberHoney
12-08-2009, 07:50 PM
My point is not to say that Christianity is horrible. My point is that any religion, if taken in a literal context, can mean horrible things.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much.

Imagine a world where religion was actually FOLLOWED.

A bunch of incest, inbreeding, overpopulation, raging disease, extreme poverty for EVERYONE, ritual sacrifices going on every hour on the hour, lots of mutilated people walking around missing eyes, teeth, limbs, tongues, women having babies until they died, diseases spread to children from people trying to make their kids 'siblings'' by breastfeeding Tom, Dick, and Jane, people being thrown off cliffs for being gay, flirtatious, promiscuous, publicly displaying their nudity, etc.

People are so freaking CRAAAAZY and hypocritical.

All these pro-Christian pro-I'm so religious people ... what the fuck are you doing on a board dedicated to Strippers?

Using the Christian principles the women who do it should be stoned and the men who watch are adulterers and most religions promote the KILLING of an adulterer and the caning/flagellation of a fornicator.

I've shaken my ass, bounced my tits, and hopped on dicks for a career so all organized religion wants me dead. And they wanna kill the men for watching/touching/fucking me too.

Get the fuck over yourselves and get off your high horses.

Women - We're all sluts and whores in the eyes of SOMEONE.

Men - you're all vile deviants and womanizing perverts with sexual dysfunction and low morals and contributing the the poor morals in society in the eyes of SOMEONE.

So if you wanna debate religion via CUT AND PASTE from a search engine result maybe you should check and see how you are doing with YOUR God first.

K?

K!

Kellydancer
12-08-2009, 07:51 PM
Christian doctrines don't teach Christians to hate and hurt peoples of other faiths? Really? Guess you haven't read that Bible lately.


Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And we all know how terrific the Bible is to women! There's a lovely passage about gang rape (that's deemed totally acceptable) in:

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)

My point is not to say that Christianity is horrible. My point is that any religion, if taken in a literal context, can mean horrible things.

Agreed. I am reminded of a so called "Christian" church not far from me. They didn't like that a *gasp* a black church (AME I think) was moving in down the street. Guess what these fine Christians did? They burnt down the church! This same church (incidentally several male friends were members of) told me I was banned there because of my "Satanic" views. My evil views? That woman should be allowed to work if they chose. This church always pushed this view that women were inferior to men and their only duty was to be submissive wives and mothers. Women weren't allowed to have any leadership roles in this church, not even head of the womens group (where women were taught their place). These church leaders were just as dangerous as Muslime extremists.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 07:53 PM
Wow only 4 witnesses? Instead of say.... 12?

You can't google up religion, btw.

Whatever you are searching for is what you're gonna find.

If I type in "Christian Rape Woman Abuse" - I'll find just what I'm looking for. Same for Islam, Judaism, etc.


Funny you cant answer my ???s i didn't google negatives of the quran it's already filled with it. Everything i stated is fact refute and prove it wrong you cant.

Instead of refuting fact's you resort to bringing up Christianity you cant compare the two Muhammad was a mass - murderer, warlord who took part of 27 battle's against non muslim's, Islam from the most part was spread threw jihad by the sword, condoned rape, and hatred toward's anti non muslim , Treated female's as nothing but subservvant's only good for sexual pleasure , he ordered women and men to be stoned and anyone who professed against his teaching's.

While Jesus preached love and peace big diference you cant compare.

All those women on those video's went google searching stuff about the quran like my friend right?

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 07:56 PM
Christian doctrines don't teach Christians to hate and hurt peoples of other faiths? Really? Guess you haven't read that Bible lately.


Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

And we all know how terrific the Bible is to women! There's a lovely passage about gang rape (that's deemed totally acceptable) in:

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." (Hosea 13:16)

My point is not to say that Christianity is horrible. My point is that any religion, if taken in a literal context, can mean horrible things.



Jesus preached peace and love big diference in what islam teache's i clearly stated fact's..... and video's of ex muslim female's who have no reason to lie or to defame islam.

BlondeBombshell
12-08-2009, 08:03 PM
Agreed. I am reminded of a so called "Christian" church not far from me. They didn't like that a *gasp* a black church (AME I think) was moving in down the street. Guess what these fine Christians did? They burnt down the church! This same church (incidentally several male friends were members of) told me I was banned there because of my "Satanic" views. My evil views? That woman should be allowed to work if they chose. This church always pushed this view that women were inferior to men and their only duty was to be submissive wives and mothers. Women weren't allowed to have any leadership roles in this church, not even head of the womens group (where women were taught their place). These church leaders were just as dangerous as Muslime extremists.



Jesus never taught about hatred to anyone or another belief like islam does, He didnt teach that men were superior to women.

Jesus saved women from being stoned unlike muhammad who called for stoning of women.

kandie_kitten
12-08-2009, 08:07 PM
Is there some evil factions in Islam, yes. Are there some evil parts in Christianity, also yes.

As I pointed out, the Bible isn't all peace and love. Nor is the Koran all hate and war.

There's also complete insanity from Jesus:
For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV)

Here Jesus criticizes people for not killing their disobedient children:
He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

Hell, in Luke, Jesus advocates beating slaves.

Why can't you understand that any literal interpretation of ANY religion leads to horrible behavior and abuse?