View Full Version : Fu%$ You and your culture!
AmberHoney
12-08-2009, 08:22 PM
Funny you cant answer my ???s i didn't google negatives of the quran it's already filled with it. Everything i stated is fact refute and prove it wrong you cant.
Instead of refuting fact's you resort to bringing up Christianity you cant compare the two Muhammad was a mass - murderer, warlord who took part of 27 battle's against non muslim's, Islam from the most part was spread threw jihad by the sword, condoned rape, and hatred toward's anti non muslim , Treated female's as nothing but subservvant's only good for sexual pleasure , he ordered women and men to be stoned and anyone who professed against his teaching's.
While Jesus preached love and peace big diference you cant compare.
All those women on those video's went google searching stuff about the quran like my friend right?
I didn't know that you asked me a specific question. If so, what is the specific question.
My reply was to everyone - not just you.
I have a few questions for you though... did Jesus preach about you dancing/ass shaking/being naked or near naked, and accepting cash/gifts for public display of your sacred body - often to men who swore before God to be faithful to their wives and lust after no others and look upon no others?
Because... I never saw where Jesus, David, Moses, Mohammad or anyone preached about doing that.
Have you modified anything God created on you? Hair color, surgery, using makeup to make yourself look sexually aroused (blush, eye makeup, lip stick)?
Are you actively seeking to destroy society with sexually deviant behavior?
If you're doing that - which pretty mus all of us are doing... then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to talk about what Islam/Christianity does/does not say.
Because every time you swipe some lip gloss across your mouth - you're psychologically triggering a part of the male brain to think of a lubricated vagina ready to be penetrated, and any time you apply blush or arch your eyebrows, you're reaching into a primal desire to see a sexually aroused face.
Jesus preached killing people like you (and people like me).
pinupgurl2k6
12-08-2009, 11:01 PM
I find it very sad and interesting some of AmberHoneys posts and Jd coming in defense to lsam in regards to how women are treated . A very good friend of mine was from yemen and married (at the age of twelve years old off to her first cousin who was thirty five which is permitted in Islam, She was brought up a in very devout muslim household aswell as her husband first cousin that followed everything in islam like how Muhammad wanted by what he taught and how he lived his life by example (who had eleven wives and married one of his wives Aisha when she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was nine) In islam men are allowed to have four wives Muhammed had eleven!
She made me aware about Islam, What she had to go threw and every muslim female from being raped by her husband being beaten for not listening to her husband , She ran away after her family refused to come to her aid, She seeked asylum by having to lie that her family was killed off, That she only had relatives in Europe where she was sent to holland and meet a fellow apostate muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali (which apostasy in islam is punishable by death)
Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote the movie "Submission" , The director of the movie Theo Van Gogh was killed by a devout muslim in the street because of the movie.
Instead of arguing trying to debate with ignorant people regarding it my friend me told to post the movie because i spoke to her regarding this topic with her. Videos of apostate muslim female voices that lived it threw the islamic way of life culture.
YouTube - Submission (Part 1) Written By Ayaan Hirsi & Directed By Theo van Gogh (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rS8FJyX3gs)
YouTube - Ayaan Hirsi Ali- on AndersonCooper360 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STDPjR6T1-A)
YouTube - Wafa Sultan Debating Islamic Cleric (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE&feature=related)
This is not Islam, just like the polygamist, inbreed Christian camps are not Christianity, If it wasn't for Christians, Muslims would not exist and believe it or not Christianity and Islam are a lot more similar than different.
What you are talking about are cultural things done in the name of Islam.
pinupgurl2k6
12-08-2009, 11:11 PM
Jesus never taught about hatred to anyone or another belief like islam does, He didnt teach that men were superior to women.
Jesus saved women from being stoned unlike muhammad who called for stoning of women.
Different times and different cultures, at 9 it was normal to be married in that time period, things change unlike the Bible the Quran has not been changed and it was memorized and written and not written 200 years after Prophet Isa's death (pbuh)
Look, you're stereotyping Muslim's and Muslim women.
Seriously.. please don't generalize about Islam unless you have read the Quran and I don't mean in English, I mean in Arabic.
Arabic translates poorly to English so understand that, also understand there is one think to read the Quran and another thing to understand the Quran.
Just like any holy book it can be used for good or evil.
http:///www.islamonline.net
Go rent the movie the message.. Jihad means inner struggle, that can be personal or against another tribe or family which is now country.
Hitlers biography is called Mein Kampf and that also means my struggle so it could read Ana Jihadi.
Please every culture, religion, human has a it's positives and negatives.
if you don't like Islam, then go read about Mormons, Scientology that should give you something to hate on.
lâ ilâha illallâh, Muḥammadun rasûlullâh
Muslims love Isa (Jesus) too, it's just different and he is also considered the greatest miracle, being born from a Virgin, but Allah does not require a son, Isa was supposed to be the King of the Jews.. that didn't happen.
::)
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
12-08-2009, 11:22 PM
All religion sucks, and anyone trying to rationalize intolerance in the name of religion are fools. I am very happy to be an atheist secular humanist. And not the type of humanist that GR claims to be.
pinupgurl2k6
12-09-2009, 03:06 AM
All religion sucks, and anyone trying to rationalize intolerance in the name of religion are fools. I am very happy to be an atheist secular humanist. And not the type of humanist that GR claims to be.
I have thought about this Kiwi, and if Athiesim believes in nothing than saying you believe in nothing means there was something to believe in, in the first place..
Odd logic but, I respect your opinion :)
At one time in my life, I was a paranoid agnostic, I believed there was some higher power and it was out to get me, my life sucked.
Vesper
12-09-2009, 12:21 PM
After reading all the posts I think that this thread has gone to the same trap where conversations about religions and cultures often end up. Yes, religions can be interpreted in numerous ways as they have been, as well as the cultures that have developed around the same religions vary. There are good and bad things probably in the history and present of every culture and religion. But arguing the previous phrase when someone points out a clear injustice doesn't in my mind do any good for either side.
If in a certain culture certain bad things happen more than in other cultures then it IS characteristic to that culture (culture as in culture being bound up with a certain society's norms and habits).
It doesn't matter how great Islam might be, if the reality in most Islamic countries is that women are oppressed/thought to be inferior to men. When some group of people are thought to be inferior, the violence towards them is often worse too. Christians in Rome, slaves in the US, Jews in Germany etc etc. The cases of violence towards women are shocking in their manner. For example when I read this (http://www.watoday.com.au/world/father-stabs-sword-through-pregnant-daughters-stomach-20091019-h3f3.html) I was completely horrified. I have never ever heard of similar cruelty, especially when the victim and the killer are a daughter and her own father. Even the most notorious serial killers in America haven't committed such an act, and I think it's because in the Western world the stomach of a pregnant woman is "sacred" and a respect towards the place where life grows has been inset into our minds by our culture. Whereas the Jordanean man saw the pregnant stomach just as a combination of shame and evil because his culture puts its religious rules about marriage above everything. Now someone can say that there aren't many cases like this like there aren't –because the culture usually keeps its women in a short leash.
I'm saying this from the point of view of someone who has grown up in a culture where equality is the norm. Even though my country unfortunately is in the top part of European countries where domestic violence is most common, women can divorce, go out on their own, get drunk, educate themselves, have sex before marriage... It's miles away from someplace like Pakistan. And the US –what do you think would happen to the dancers if a strip club was opened in Afghanistan?!
At the moment in my country girls and women from immigrant or refugee families are more and more often escaping to womens shelters because of the honor killing threats made by their families that came here from countries like Iran, Afghanistan, Egypt, Somalia... Sex crime statistics show that the men from same countries are overrepresented even though they are definitely a minority in numbers.
In Denmark a boy threw acid-water balloon on a little girl in a playground. Luckily it didn't splash on her face. Copenhagen police say that they are currently plagued with a boy gang that experiments with acid bombs. As you probably guess, the boys weren't typical 'blond Christian Danes'.
I'm not religious, but I don't mind if someone is. To me it's not what the religion is but what its culture does, and after reading news from Islamic countries even I could thank God that I wasn't born into one. The women and men who want to get away from it I welcome, like Tatar Muslims who have never caused any trouble with their culture or religion within our culture. The -usually men- who try to bring their misogyny and barbarism to our culture I'd also say F you and your culture.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
12-09-2009, 01:26 PM
I have thought about this Kiwi, and if Athiesim believes in nothing than saying you believe in nothing means there was something to believe in, in the first place..
No it doesn't. Please, explain to me how what you wrote makes any sense, because it does not.
I do not believe in god. It doesn't mean I can't believe in other things, just not god, gods, life after death, heaven, hell, etc......
firemaiden04
12-10-2009, 08:22 AM
^agreed. If you can't be happy with your life without worshipping some higher power, then the problem isn't that you need to find religion, the problem is that you need to fix something in your life.
All religion sucks,.
Agreed: I don't read comic books, don't believe in Santa, and don't need "higher powers" to tell me how to act as a decent human being. Some appear to need the guidance via old book(s) written a long time ago, that unfortunately, are used to justify all manner of horrible crap done to others in the name of their particular brand of religion.
TarsTone
12-10-2009, 12:46 PM
All the following are condoned by Islamic (Sharia) law:
-Families of murder victims receiving half the regular compensation if the victim is female
-Stoning women for adultery
-Marriage of female children to men of any age
-Rape victims being required to produce FOUR
witnesses!
-Death sentence for homosexuals and those who convert to another religion.
The reason some Muslim countries don't practice the above is due to the fact that they don't govern based on Sharia Law. That, along with the hypocrisy of certain Muslims who want to have their cake and eat it too, doesn't change the truth about Islam. If a 'Western' religion openly advocated the above practices it would be outlawed!
And for the record, those who think they need religion to 'act right' are probably the same people who would shoplift if there were no security cameras.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
12-10-2009, 03:24 PM
-Rape victims being required to produce FOUR
witnesses!
This is very true in Iran, conirmed to me by my Persian friend. However, if a woman accuses a man of trying to kiss her without consent, she doesn't have to produce witnesses, and the male is usually immediately punished. But the rape requires 4 witnesses. Its crazy and makes no sense. Then again, so do a lot of antiquated laws in the USA. But these laws are actually enforced over there, under Sharia.
Deogol
12-10-2009, 03:37 PM
http://www.unicef.de/foto/2007/bilder/3396824-Custom05.JPG
Very scary but real image i think many muslim men should wear the burka not only are they hideous to look at, But what they follow and believe how they treat women is just as ugly.
It would seem both of them are equally modestly covered.
(I also reject the age difference although not knowing the source of the picture - it could be a father and his child.)
Deogol
12-10-2009, 03:47 PM
Regardless of all these opinions, people here should acknowledge and accept that Islam is a growing religion in the world, quickly to become the largest religion in the world, and rules the hearts and minds of many who have access to weapons, armies, and countries.
I wonder how this would read if we replaced "muslim" with "jew" and "islamic" with "judaic." Would this be so acceptable in western writings? After all, many jews have separation of gender, circumcision, rules for modest dress, facial hair rules, and different treatment of women from men.
In the past, it was western influence, I believe, that modified some of the more extreme behavior. However, during these days of Londonstan, Swiss voters fighting for their culture, and political correctness in the United States, we should come to understand our tolerance and inviting ways are bringing these ideas into our own lands. We are not going to be able to talk many of them out of it, as has been proven by honor killings and the like in our own streets.
This is a religion and ideology expanding, growing geographically, and pushing aside many western values in what once were western influenced countries. The harder the west tries to interfere with other lands seeded with this movement, to bad mouth it, to call it heinous, the stronger it will get - for becoming like that is not to become like the west and its pushy ways.
Indeed, I think there will be a time when we look back to the fundamentalist christians and wish for the good old days.
It appears that we had better get use to it. Already some parts of France have women changing their methods of dress to comply with local resident's community standards, England is exploring Sharia law as a valid mediation process, and the Dutch are far more careful about their first amendment rights less they risk murder and protests. The west is losing this ideological battle and so perhaps we should consider some ideas on how to, if not combat it, at least learn how to bend to it so as to get along with our neighbors.
pinupgurl2k6
12-11-2009, 08:31 AM
[quote=KiwiStrawberry Splenda;1880024]No it doesn't. Please, explain to me how what you wrote makes any sense, because it does not.
How can something be nothing? if you acknowledge that you do not believe in something you are acknowledging there is something to believe in, in the first place, so if you do not believe in anything then that isn't exactly Atheism.
On the other hand, Physics and science dictate that something cannot be made of nothing and nothing is still something because everything is made of matter. So even by saying you don't believe in anything, you still believe in something. I know it's weird, sorry but science works in strange beautiful ways.
Atheism can be either the rejection of theism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism),[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-0) or the position that deities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God) do not exist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-1) In the broadest sense, it is the absence of belief in the existence of deities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deity).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-2)
The term atheism originated from the Greek ἄθεος (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%84%CE%B8%CE%B5%CE%BF%CF%82) (atheos), meaning "without gods", which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshiped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought), skeptical inquiry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeptical_inquiry), and subsequent increase in criticism of religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_religion), application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century. Today, about 2.3% of the world's population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9% is described as nontheist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism).[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-Britannica_demographics-3) Between 64% and 65% of Japanese describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, or non-believers,[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-Zuckerman-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-US_State_Dept-5) and to 48% in Russia.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-Zuckerman-4) The percentage of such persons in European Union member states ranges as low as single digits in Italy and some other countries, and up to 85% in Sweden.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-Zuckerman-4)
Atheists tend to lean towards skepticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skepticism) regarding supernatural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural) claims, citing a lack of empirical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical) evidence. Common rationales include the problem of evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil), the argument from inconsistent revelations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_inconsistent_revelations), and the argument from nonbelief (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_nonbelief). Other arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although some atheists tend toward secular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism) philosophies such as humanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism),[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-6) rationalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalism), and naturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism),[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-7) there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-8)
In Western culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture), atheists are frequently assumed to be exclusively irreligious (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion) or unspiritual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality).[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-cline-buddhism-9) However, religious and spiritual belief systems such as forms of Buddhism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism) that do not advocate belief in gods, have also been described as atheistic.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#cite_note-10)
AmberHoney
12-11-2009, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BlondeBombshell View Post
Funny you cant answer my ???s i didn't google negatives of the quran it's already filled with it. Everything i stated is fact refute and prove it wrong you cant.
Instead of refuting fact's you resort to bringing up Christianity you cant compare the two Muhammad was a mass - murderer, warlord who took part of 27 battle's against non muslim's, Islam from the most part was spread threw jihad by the sword, condoned rape, and hatred toward's anti non muslim , Treated female's as nothing but subservvant's only good for sexual pleasure , he ordered women and men to be stoned and anyone who professed against his teaching's.
While Jesus preached love and peace big diference you cant compare.
All those women on those video's went google searching stuff about the quran like my friend right?
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My response to you:
I didn't know that you asked me a specific question. If so, what is the specific question.
My reply was to everyone - not just you.
I have a few questions for you though... did Jesus preach about you dancing/ass shaking/being naked or near naked, and accepting cash/gifts for public display of your sacred body - often to men who swore before God to be faithful to their wives and lust after no others and look upon no others?
Because... I never saw where Jesus, David, Moses, Mohammad or anyone preached about doing that.
Have you modified anything God created on you? Hair color, surgery, using makeup to make yourself look sexually aroused (blush, eye makeup, lip stick)?
Are you actively seeking to destroy society with sexually deviant behavior?
If you're doing that - which pretty mus all of us are doing... then maybe you shouldn't be so quick to talk about what Islam/Christianity does/does not say.
Because every time you swipe some lip gloss across your mouth - you're psychologically triggering a part of the male brain to think of a lubricated vagina ready to be penetrated, and any time you apply blush or arch your eyebrows, you're reaching into a primal desire to see a sexually aroused face.
Jesus preached killing people like you (and people like me).
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^^^^^Ok I'm still waiting for your to tell me what your question was, and to asnwer my question. You have a bunch of replies in here so unless you've been offline, forgot about this thread, or just plain are refusing to answer or feel you don't need to answer... why no answer?
Dealing with the truth sucks really bad, I know... but why don't we just deal with it?
Earl_the_Pearl
12-12-2009, 10:01 PM
Here Jesus criticizes people for not killing their disobedient children:
He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7
Hell, in Luke, Jesus advocates beating slaves.
In Matthew 15:4-7 Jesus is quoting the Old Testament to the Pharisees to point out their hypocrisy.
As for slave beating are you referring to Luke 12:45? If so your understanding is not even close.
The best reading is the Constitution; "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".
Earl_the_Pearl
12-12-2009, 10:16 PM
Jesus preached killing people like you (and people like me).
Really? Do you have the chapter and verse.
John 8:3-11 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act. "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?" They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him.
But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.
When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" She said, "No one, sir." Then Jesus said, "I don't condemn you, either. Go home, and from now on do not sin any more."
Djoser
12-13-2009, 03:05 AM
I would like to see some statistics on numbers of crimes compared to population, and successful prosecution of the attackers.
I am pretty skeptical of organized religion. None of them is inherently superior, though of course some appear to be worse than others to outside observers.
The Christians love to whine about being fed to lions by the evil nasty Romans, but as soon as they were set free burned a couple hundred thousand people to death and maybe more, for not praying correctly. Not to mention all the torture practiced by the various Inquisitions.
The Romans did slaughter untold thousands in the Games, but OTOH had by far the most religious tolerance of the ancient world.
Speaking of burning to death, I think we can all agree that this is fucked up:
http://www.indianchild.com/sati_in_india.htm
Worst of all, the Aztecs. Who probably killed proportionally many more of their neighbors in nasty ways than anyone else in history by ripping out their beating hearts. Sounds fucked up to me!
But the Aztecs and other Native Mesoamericans were subdued very easily by the Spanish in part because of several key similarities in religious organization. So it goes...