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Phil-W
01-11-2010, 12:52 PM
Besides a smart discreet dancer will only give extras to well known regulars. :)

And do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?

Phil.

Jessie_tinydancer
01-11-2010, 01:32 PM
Well, you are assuming that the lady who is doing the sucking only does it once all night. If she sucks four cocks she has made $1200 in a shift.

I'm not trying to say that extras girls make more money than clean dancers. I go to a variety of different types f clubs and I also pay escorts. The possible earnings are about the same for a clean dancer, a dirty dancer and an escort if a lady is good at her job and is willing to work hard.


Well, that's your point and it is certainly valid but honestly I think anyone with common sense and any experience in clubs already understands that. I was simply asking a question based on curiosity as it related to a post by a dancer. It was not any sort of implied suggestion that anyone should do anything that they are not comfortable doing. Trust me I've spent a lot more on clean dancers over the years than I ever have on extras.

1) Where is the question? I don't see where you asked one.

2) I never said you are implying we should all do extras. I can clearly see you are just saying the money is similar offering different types of services.

I am just saying to clean dancers the work is not the same. I have nothing against escorts at all. Especially in places where it is legal. I do have something against extra girls (although prob more so because prostitution is decriminalized where I live, so why they don't just go work at an agency, brothel, etc. I have no idea). But that's not the point I was making.

Recap:

To us clean dancers $300 to give a BJ is a joke. Why? because we give free BJs to our Significant others. We think no amount of money is worth it, especially in the club where entertainers are trying to make a living. We make a great living doing dancing only, but I am sure if any of us wanted to cross over we would become escorts and not suck customers off in CR.

mediocrity
01-11-2010, 01:39 PM
Well, that's your point and it is certainly valid but honestly I think anyone with common sense and any experience in clubs already understands that. I was simply asking a question based on curiosity as it related to a post by a dancer. It was not any sort of implied suggestion that anyone should do anything that they are not comfortable doing. Trust me I've spent a lot more on clean dancers over the years than I ever have on extras.

Quite a few of the "extras" girls I have spoken to do so because they feel like they haven't got a choice. I distincly remember one very new girl crying to me in San Francisco that she was staying in a hostel and she couldn't pay for it for that night unless she kept doing what she was doing, due to a series of crises that had recently happened to her.

Best believe I checked that girl out of that hostel and took her home to my loft. My ex husband and I let her stay with us a few days while I showed her the ropes and she got back on her feet.

That's why I despise "mongers". They seek only to cheapen and degrade the girl. Frankly I don't understand it. I go to male strip clubs but I don't ask for them to go down on me for extra cash. They're strangers! Why would I pay a stranger to get me off when I can just as easily find a regular person that I like? That's not in a stripper's job description- which is why I don't refer to ITC whores as dancers. They aren't.

mediocrity
01-11-2010, 01:42 PM
1) Where is the question? I don't see where you asked one.

2) I never said you are implying we should all do extras. I can clearly see you are just saying the money is similar offering different types of services.

I am just saying to clean dancers the work is not the same. I have nothing against escorts at all. Especially in places where it is legal. I do have something against extra girls (although prob more so because prostitution is decriminalized where I live, so why they don't just go work at an agency, brothel, etc. I have no idea). But that's not the point I was making.

Recap:

To us clean dancers $300 to give a BJ is a joke. Why? because we give free BJs to our Significant others. We think no amount of money is worth it, especially in the club where entertainers are trying to make a living. We make a great living doing dancing only, but I am sure if any of us wanted to cross over we would become escorts and not suck customers off in CR.

If I could hug you I would.

Phil-W
01-11-2010, 01:56 PM
Bigmarv - a straight question for you.

Why don't you use escorts instead of going to SC's and finding extras dancers.

There's gotta be a reason and I'm curious to hear it.

Phil.

WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 02:15 PM
Quite a few of the "extras" girls I have spoken to do so because they feel like they haven't got a choice. I distincly remember one very new girl crying to me in San Francisco that she was staying in a hostel and she couldn't pay for it for that night unless she kept doing what she was doing, due to a series of crises that had recently happened to her.

Best believe I checked that girl out of that hostel and took her home to my loft. My ex husband and I let her stay with us a few days while I showed her the ropes and she got back on her feet.

That's why I despise "mongers". They seek only to cheapen and degrade the girl. Frankly I don't understand it. I go to male strip clubs but I don't ask for them to go down on me for extra cash. They're strangers! Why would I pay a stranger to get me off when I can just as easily find a regular person that I like? That's not in a stripper's job description- which is why I don't refer to ITC whores as dancers. They aren't.

Ok I understand it now, that really explains it, still mostly helpless dupes and victims unable to fend for themselves or exercise free will. All this 40 years after the start of the feminist revolution. Who would have guessed?

WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 02:27 PM
Phil W, and maybe you can explain why you have this need to kiss dancer ass and provide rides all over London so you can pretend dancers are your "friend". dancers do not have friends in clubs. they have customers, some that pay, some that don't, and anything else is total bullshit.

jack0177057
01-11-2010, 02:29 PM
I don't know I'm not a whore ;D but I can easily make over $1k a night just giving standard dances with no touching so I was sort of comparing that to $300 for sucking cock and I thought no way that doesn't sound like a good deal haha.

I'm guessing that the cock sucking is, at most, 2-4 minutes long, because the customer is already very aroused from the nudity, grinding, rubbing, etc. I've been brought very close to orgasm by a dancer - and all she did was stroke me over my clothes for 1 or 2 minutes during the course of a lap dance,... so I'm thinking that, with a BJ, I would probably cum really fast,... like within 1-3 minutes.

Me personally, I wouldn't spend $300 for 3 minutes of extras, specially when I have a hot GF that will do it for free... But, if a a guy is willing to spend that much for 3 minutes and a dancer considers $100 per minute as good compensation for that sort of work (and she uses a condom and probably "cheats" by using her hand more than her mouth)... more power to each of them... I don't judge either one of them...

If I could make $100 per minute eating pussy (with a dental damn), I'd do it all day until my tongue was too sore to move.

Like I said before, my only problem with the extras-girls is that -- based on what I've read from other dancers on this forum -- they unwittingly cause potential sexual harassment for the non-extras girls.

mediocrity
01-11-2010, 02:32 PM
Phil W, and maybe you can explain why you have this need to kiss dancer ass and provide rides all over London so you can pretend dancers are your "friend". dancers do not have friends in clubs. they have customers, some that pay, some that don't, and anything else is total bullshit.

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KS_Stevia
01-11-2010, 04:10 PM
I see what WestCoast is trying to say, but he's taking it a bit too far to the extreme. Friends are absolutely possible, not that I've ever had BFF dude friends from the SC. But I've made some guy friends that I kept in touch with frequently. Not so much anymore because I've been in a serious relationship for a while, and also got tired of going out, so there wasn't a chance to see them.

But they were more than customers, less than best friends.

London is a damn expensive town to live in. Phil's dancers are saving thousands of pounds a year on cab fare or petrol. Its an excellent deal they are getting, and Phil is nice, safe guy to be around. Conversely, Phil gets something out of this too.

Just like some guys go to the SC to grope dancers, some go for therapy, some go for non-cheating stimulation...Phil is going for the things he wants. And, I presume, he is getting his physical stimulation elswhere, in addition to the eye candy he mostly ignores (;)) when he is at the club.

But to say that he is needed at the clubs and pubs when the dancer is done with her shift? That's bullshit. Strippers don't need anyone to sit with at the end of the night. They need to make money until their shift ends or the club closes. They are big girls, they can hang out without him.

Whatever works. Its a symbiotic relationship, both sides are happy with it, so why fix what ain't broken?

yoda57us
01-11-2010, 04:12 PM
1) Where is the question? I don't see where you asked one.


OP and my question...


I cannot believe there are women out there who suck cock for such pittance!! If you're gonna be a whore at least charge a decent price to somewhat justify it. But these girls are probably very unfortunate looking.


LOL, Damn! $300 is cheap? What's the going rate down under? I know a few girls who may want to relocate!

yoda57us
01-11-2010, 04:19 PM
To us clean dancers $300 to give a BJ is a joke. Why? because we give free BJs to our Significant others. We think no amount of money is worth it, especially in the club where entertainers are trying to make a living. We make a great living doing dancing only, but I am sure if any of us wanted to cross over we would become escorts and not suck customers off in CR.

It is of course your choice to do whatever you wish. As I have stated many times I gladly pay escorts. I don't seek extras in the clubs.

For what it's worth however if you did decide to become an escort (and I am not suggesting that you or any dancer should) you would be doing a lot more than a BJ for about $300 to $400 an hour...That's the going rate in most cities in the US unless you are a porn star or an ex magazine model...

Jessie_tinydancer
01-11-2010, 05:36 PM
^ Well I will answer your question...I also live in Australia. Prostitution is legal in some states. Decriminalized in mine. I've seen Jaizaine's Pics and she is also in magazines so ya... she could easily demand $1K/hour here. Asain R&T's sure are charging $200-$300 for FS. Low end escorts $200-$300, Mid range $300-$500, High end $500-$1000+. Here if you are attractive, posed, and have a university eduction you don't need to be in porn or playboy to demand upwards of $700.

yoda57us
01-11-2010, 06:04 PM
^ Well I will answer your question...

Thank you.:hat:

bigmarv
01-11-2010, 08:46 PM
A very beautiful dancer with no self respect and probably the intelligence level of shoe. Congratulations on helping a beautiful woman do something she will probably regret for the rest of her life. I'm sure she will later cry about you in her therapy sessions or use your money to buy her drugs so she can try and purge the rank taste of your penis from her brain.

I always clean up just before going to the club. She tells me I smell like I just stepped out of the shower.

Phil-W
01-11-2010, 08:47 PM
Phil W, and maybe you can explain why you have this need to kiss dancer ass and provide rides all over London so you can pretend dancers are your "friend". dancers do not have friends in clubs. they have customers, some that pay, some that don't, and anything else is total bullshit.

Sure, but I haven't been a customer for years. We met each other when they were at work, liked each other, and the dancers rapidly decided they didn't want to make money out of me. They're my friends because I spend far more time with them out of work than I do when they're at work.

They're relaxed about me being at work because that's where they met me. If I'd met them outside of work, I seriously doubt I'd be welcome there.


London is a damn expensive town to live in. Phil's dancers are saving thousands of pounds a year on cab fare or petrol.

From time to time they offer to cover my petrol costs, and I gently refuse. I don't need the money. And they'll reciprocate in their own way - for example one dancer is a superb cook and she'll very happily rustle up an excellent meal with a good bottle of wine... :)


But to say that he is needed at the clubs and pubs when the dancer is done with her shift? That's bullshit. Strippers don't need anyone to sit with at the end of the night. They need to make money until their shift ends or the club closes. They are big girls, they can hang out without him.

I never said I was needed, I said the dancers liked me there - significant difference. As an example, one dancer can make good money at a particular venue, but it's stressful for her to work there. So having me about towards the end of the shift (when the most money's to be made) puts her into a more relaxed mood - and lets her work that little bit harder at the end of the shift.

One dancer does several shifts a month at a venue that's only a ten minute drive from me, but I rarely if ever go into it. There's generally no reason she wants me there, and if I'm not asked, I don't go. We'd both feel uncomfortable if I turned up without being asked, because it's then no longer her choice that I'm about when she's working.

Phil.

bigmarv
01-11-2010, 09:14 PM
Bigmarv - a straight question for you.

Why don't you use escorts instead of going to SC's and finding extras dancers.

There's gotta be a reason and I'm curious to hear it.

Phil. The SC I visit is more convenient for me. It's the only one within 100 miles of where I live. I don't believe I've ever seen an escort walking thru the woods. LOL.

Jessie_tinydancer
01-11-2010, 09:47 PM
It is possible to have stripper friends Phil! I am friends with a "customer". He doesnt buy dances. He tips the girls he likes $20 or $50 once per night when they are on stage. I chat with him in the club when it's quiet and I'm having dinner with him next week. (Not a date, just friends he knows I am married). He's just a nice guy.

jaizaine
01-12-2010, 07:02 AM
^ I think the point is a clean dancer does not have to suck 4 sticky dinkys and can go home knowing that she hasn't done anything a) illegal or b) she is not comfortable with.

LOL exactly. If I sucked cocks I could make a shitload of money but ummmm hello I would rather make what I make and not degrade myself like that.

jaizaine
01-12-2010, 07:05 AM
^ Well I will answer your question...I also live in Australia. Prostitution is legal in some states. Decriminalized in mine. I've seen Jaizaine's Pics and she is also in magazines so ya... she could easily demand $1K/hour here. Asain R&T's sure are charging $200-$300 for FS. Low end escorts $200-$300, Mid range $300-$500, High end $500-$1000+. Here if you are attractive, posed, and have a university eduction you don't need to be in porn or playboy to demand upwards of $700.

Thanks hun oxoo

jaizaine
01-12-2010, 07:08 AM
It is possible to have stripper friends Phil! I am friends with a "customer". He doesnt buy dances. He tips the girls he likes $20 or $50 once per night when they are on stage. I chat with him in the club when it's quiet and I'm having dinner with him next week. (Not a date, just friends he knows I am married). He's just a nice guy.

I agree. I have made a few friends who I don't hustle over the years. It's nice to have a friendly, familiar face in the club. I have also met a few friends who I see OTC. If someone is a good person I dont see why i cant make friends just coz I met them ITC.

kandie_kitten
01-12-2010, 08:40 AM
For some reason, I read this thread...

Now excuse me while I vomit.

I'll never understand why guys think it's so brag-worthy that they had sex, got a BJ, whatever, after they paid $$$$$$.

"Hey Man! I got sucked off by some poor girl desperate to keep a roof over her head! There's no way I could get it from a girl because of my personality, I have to pay for it!"

KS_Stevia
01-12-2010, 09:35 AM
The SC I visit is more convenient for me. It's the only one within 100 miles of where I live. I don't believe I've ever seen an escort walking thru the woods. LOL.

Exactly. If prostitution was decriminlized in the US, then a tangible difference could be made between strip clubs and brothels. But since pros is illegal, and even lap dancing is illegal in many venues, then women are taking a risk of arrest just being there. Some are going to take that opportunity to maximize their earnings...as that's where the market is for prostitution as well as dancing.

princessjas
01-12-2010, 10:30 AM
For some reason, I read this thread...

Now excuse me while I vomit.

I'll never understand why guys think it's so brag-worthy that they had sex, got a BJ, whatever, after they paid $$$$$$.

"Hey Man! I got sucked off by some poor girl desperate to keep a roof over her head! There's no way I could get it from a girl because of my personality, I have to pay for it!"

:rotfl: Their personality, or maybe their 2-inch winky.

Phil-W
01-12-2010, 12:10 PM
It is possible to have stripper friends Phil! I am friends with a "customer". He doesnt buy dances. He tips the girls he likes $20 or $50 once per night when they are on stage. I chat with him in the club when it's quiet and I'm having dinner with him next week. (Not a date, just friends he knows I am married). He's just a nice guy.

Why thankee Jessie....

And as I've seen photos of you in other threads, I think we've got the makings of a mutual admiration society here.

Phil. ;)

Phil-W
01-12-2010, 12:55 PM
And changing the subject from extras.....

Back in the days when I was having dances, I always thought it more fun (and sexier) to get the dancer to enjoy herself - or even better - get a little turned on during the dance.

I'm not saying the getting turned on happen a lot - it was only in a small percentage of dances. And probably in some of those, it was the dancer 'playing' me, having sensed what I was up to. But it was damned arousing when it happened.

Firstly, I think that the primary motivation of dancers is financial. However, I think many dancers have secondary personal reasons for dancing. some have a bit of an exhibitionist streak, others are incorrigible flirts and like being the center of male attention, etc. With some dancers that secondary motive never rally comes into play - with others it's not far below the surface. Tapping into that secondary motive was always fun...

Second I think dancers have a personal and a professional comfort zone. The personal comfort zone is what they're always comfortable doing while at work, the professional comfort zone is what they'll tolerate to earn a living. Stay inside the personal comfort zone and you've got a happy dancer.

With most dancers I always figured that the personal comfort zone was being seen naked, and the professional comfort zone being touched. So I always told dancers that I (a) didn't take dancing too seriously and (b) was happy with a dance with minimal contact. The usual response to that was a sign of relief.

I'd usually get a slightly longer and better dance as a consequence. Happy dancer = happy Phil. And every now and then you'd get a clue that a dancer was getting a bit of fun out of the dance herself. And if you picked up on the clue, life got very interesting.

For example, I found one dancer liked having her body described to her in very polite terms. When she did her first dance for me, I noticed her nipples were slowly getting erect - which I discretely mentioned to her. They instantly shot to attention and she said, "you can talk some more"... I found that the more you talked to her, the more she got physically turned on - particularly down south. And that was incredibly sexy to watch happening.

So it's entirely possible to get (to be frank) a damned horny dance with minimal contact, and with the dancer walking away with a big smile on her face (or occasionally a rather fetching blush).....

Phil.

Kellydancer
01-12-2010, 01:24 PM
This thread is depressing. I find it sad and amusing that certain guys are bragging about getting blow jobs at the clubs. I've worked with a few girls like that and let me tell you not only aren't you special, most of them had diseases. One of the whores who did that (I refuse to call her a dancer) had AIDS. Remember: when you have any sexual contact with someone, you are also having sexual contact with anyone they did. Dancers who perform extras aren't dancers, they are whores, and customers who get sexual services are johns. I made money by being a clean dancer, because I was a DANCER. Giving a bj, fs, or a hj never crossed my mind. If these are now expected, I am so glad I retired years ago.

I think the stories about dancers falling for customers (the ones from dancers where they actually dated the guys) are nice and show they have class. I'm sure every dancer has known someone who dated a customer. I even know dancers who married regulars (they were clean dancers). All of these instances that I am aware of, not one had any sexual contact in the club.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 02:39 PM
:rotfl: Their personality, or maybe their 2-inch winky. Really tho, I think Bigmarv is one of those guys that can only feel good about himself when he's making others feel bad. That's why he keeps it up with all the sweetie and darlin shit. There are a few of those guys that frequent this board. I guess it's okay, without this outlet to channel their need to upset others, they'd probably be serial killers or rapists. ;)

Yeah, I feel really sad when I leave the club $500 lighter and the beautiful dancer has a big smile on her face. It's just terrible making others feel that bad, but they always say, "see you next week darlin". :)

mediocrity
01-12-2010, 02:55 PM
^^ I wish you wouldn't use the term dancer. Sounds like a mid-priced escort.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 03:10 PM
^^ I wish you wouldn't use the term dancer. Sounds like a mid-priced escort.

Well Catherine, what if I have been seeing a dancer for a few weeks who does nothing but give me lap dances and then things start to get a little more intimate in VIP, does she all of a sudden become a dancer/escort or is she trying to cultivate a good paying regular?

amaliasnightout
01-12-2010, 03:13 PM
And changing the subject from extras.....

Back in the days when I was having dances, I always thought it more fun (and sexier) to get the dancer to enjoy herself - or even better - get a little turned on during the dance.

I'm not saying the getting turned on happen a lot - it was only in a small percentage of dances. And probably in some of those, it was the dancer 'playing' me, having sensed what I was up to. But it was damned arousing when it happened.

Firstly, I think that the primary motivation of dancers is financial. However, I think many dancers have secondary personal reasons for dancing. some have a bit of an exhibitionist streak, others are incorrigible flirts and like being the center of male attention, etc. With some dancers that secondary motive never rally comes into play - with others it's not far below the surface. Tapping into that secondary motive was always fun...

Second I think dancers have a personal and a professional comfort zone. The personal comfort zone is what they're always comfortable doing while at work, the professional comfort zone is what they'll tolerate to earn a living. Stay inside the personal comfort zone and you've got a happy dancer.

With most dancers I always figured that the personal comfort zone was being seen naked, and the professional comfort zone being touched. So I always told dancers that I (a) didn't take dancing too seriously and (b) was happy with a dance with minimal contact. The usual response to that was a sign of relief.

I'd usually get a slightly longer and better dance as a consequence. Happy dancer = happy Phil. And every now and then you'd get a clue that a dancer was getting a bit of fun out of the dance herself. And if you picked up on the clue, life got very interesting.

For example, I found one dancer liked having her body described to her in very polite terms. When she did her first dance for me, I noticed her nipples were slowly getting erect - which I discretely mentioned to her. They instantly shot to attention and she said, "you can talk some more"... I found that the more you talked to her, the more she got physically turned on - particularly down south. And that was incredibly sexy to watch happening.

So it's entirely possible to get (to be frank) a damned horny dance with minimal contact, and with the dancer walking away with a big smile on her face (or occasionally a rather fetching blush).....

Phil.



Although I'm sure there are some dancers that may get turned on by a custie, I'm also sure that those are few and far in between. You mentioned that you got dances "back in the day" so hopefully this won't burst your bubble too much, but strippers are amazing actors.

One thing I hear from my customers most often is "You seemed like you really enjoyed giving me that dance". Well NO, what I enjoy is the money. But my job is to make the customer feel like he is the most important person in the world while I'm giving him a dance. God. I wanted to strangle a guy one time because he said this (word for word) "I didn't want to stop, just because you looked like you were having so much fun dancing for me". HA. I didn't enjoy that his breath reeked of onion, and I could smell his BO from a mile away. What I enjoyed was the fact that I convinced him to do a ton of dances with me, and wiped out his wallet.

mediocrity
01-12-2010, 03:17 PM
Well Catherine, what if I have been seeing a dancer for a few weeks who does nothing but give me lap dances and then things start to get a little more intimate in VIP, does she all of a sudden become a dancer/escort or is she trying to cultivate a good paying regular?

I would definitely say it isn't her first rodeo.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 03:30 PM
I would definitely say it isn't her first rodeo.

I guess that's why she does a good simulated reverse cowgirl.

mediocrity
01-12-2010, 03:35 PM
I guess that's why she does a good simulated reverse cowgirl.

Cease and desist- I think I just threw up in my mouth.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 03:41 PM
Cease and desist- I think I just threw up in my mouth.

Why should it make you sick when you said it wasn't her first rodeo?

princessjas
01-12-2010, 03:44 PM
Well Catherine, what if I have been seeing a dancer for a few weeks who does nothing but give me lap dances and then things start to get a little more intimate in VIP, does she all of a sudden become a dancer/escort or is she trying to cultivate a good paying regular?

She's a whore who got by without actually fucking you the first few times. It happens. Ask any escort. The vast majority of the time they have sex, but on rare occassions with the right guy they manage to avoid sex. :P

princessjas
01-12-2010, 03:49 PM
Why should it make you sick when you said it wasn't her first rodeo?

Because we've all heard the extras girls who you say have a big smile on their face in the DR later talking about how disgusted they were and doing lines of coke/smoking weed/taking pills to get over it. They are nearly always traumatized by what they do. Even the clean-looking, well maintained ITC whores I've seen were major druggies. A few have really shocked me because you would never guess from looking at them, but I guess if they could do it while taking care of themselves, they'd be high-priced escorts (which I have no disrespect for, ime many of them ARE clean and drug/disease-free, they are like a totally different species from the ITC whores).

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 03:55 PM
She's a whore who got by without actually fucking you the first few times. It happens. Ask any escort. The vast majority of the time they have sex, but on rare occassions with the right guy they manage to avoid sex. :P

I guess that's why sometimes I feel like Forrest Gump with a box of chocolates, you just never know what your gonna get in a SC. I just hope it's nothing contagious. :)

yoda57us
01-12-2010, 05:38 PM
I've known lots of strippers in my life. Some clean, some dirty, some in between. Some of them love their jobs and some of them hate their jobs but it generally has little to do with what kind of club they are working in. In my experience the ones who don't like contact clubs don't work in them and the ones who can't handle doing extras don't do them even if it means making less money.

While I'm certainly not the guy in the club who goes looking for extras I know where to find them in both "clean" clubs and dirty clubs. They are everywhere. I don't expect any lady here on SW to condone what extras girls do but please stop acting like you are inside their heads because you are not. No one is saying a dancer who thinks the best way to earn a living is by sucking dick is happy about it. She does it because that is how she has decided to do the job. She does it because she wants the money. She does it by choice. We as customers are buying what she is selling, not forcing her to have sex with us. Walmart is always hiring. No one has to suck dick for a living. It's a choice.

This is the customer convo thread so we get to talk about this stuff here. If it makes you wanna hurl don't read it. This thread has been going on for weeks. We all know what is being talked about here.

princessjas
01-12-2010, 06:05 PM
I've known lots of strippers in my life. Some clean, some dirty, some in between. Some of them love their jobs and some of them hate their jobs but it generally has little to do with what kind of club they are working in. In my experience the ones who don't like contact clubs don't work in them and the ones who can't handle doing extras don't do them even if it means making less money.

While I'm certainly not the guy in the club who goes looking for extras I know where to find them in both "clean" clubs and dirty clubs. They are everywhere. I don't expect any lady here on SW to condone what extras girls do but please stop acting like you are inside their heads because you are not. No one is saying a dancer who thinks the best way to earn a living is by sucking dick is happy about it. She does it because that is how she has decided to do the job. She does it because she wants the money. She does it by choice. We as customers are buying what she is selling, not forcing her to have sex with us. Walmart is always hiring. No one has to suck dick for a living. It's a choice.

This is the customer convo thread so we get to talk about this stuff here. If it makes you wanna hurl don't read it. This thread has been going on for weeks. We all know what is being talked about here.

I had mostly avoided this thread until I read Jessies I hate men thread today. Annnnd, I don't think I'm the one that is acting like I'm inside these girls heads. Fellow dancers do see and hear how they act in the DR, a view you guys never get. Those girls that act all flirty and happy sucking your cock...well, they are usually saying how desperate they are and talking about drugs and/or suicide in the DR. Many DO feel trapped and like they have no other choice, and I've worked with several that have actually committed suicide. Ask the other girls here, it's not that unusual for those "happy" extras girls to really be depressed, miserable and feel trapped by their life. You can believe me or not. I don't really care. :P

yoda57us
01-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I had mostly avoided this thread until I read Jessies I hate men thread today. Annnnd, I don't think I'm the one that is acting like I'm inside these girls heads. Fellow dancers do see and hear how they act in the DR, a view you guys never get. Those girls that act all flirty and happy sucking your cock...well, they are usually saying how desperate they are and talking about drugs and/or suicide in the DR. Many DO feel trapped and like they have no other choice, and I've worked with several that have actually committed suicide. Ask the other girls here, it's not that unusual for those "happy" extras girls to really be depressed, miserable and feel trapped by their life. You can believe me or not. I don't really care. :P

Well, again, I am not saying they are happy. I am saying it's a choice.

BTW, It's not a question of believing or not believing what you or any other person posts here. I read the posts and the opinions contained in them and respond with my POV.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 06:32 PM
I had mostly avoided this thread until I read Jessies I hate men thread today. Annnnd, I don't think I'm the one that is acting like I'm inside these girls heads. Fellow dancers do see and hear how they act in the DR, a view you guys never get. Those girls that act all flirty and happy sucking your cock...well, they are usually saying how desperate they are and talking about drugs and/or suicide in the DR. Many DO feel trapped and like they have no other choice, and I've worked with several that have actually committed suicide. Ask the other girls here, it's not that unusual for those "happy" extras girls to really be depressed, miserable and feel trapped by their life. You can believe me or not. I don't really care. :P

Darlin, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it is a, "view you guys never get." We are not privy to what goes on or is said in the DR, unless a dancer tells us. We usually go into the club for a good time, buying drinks and dances. That is what you dancers sell in a SC, right? :)

princessjas
01-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Darlin, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it is a, "view you guys never get." We are not privy to what goes on or is said in the DR, unless a dancer tells us. We usually go into the club for a good time, buying drinks and dances. That is what you dancers sell in a SC, right? :)

Fuck off with the darlin stuff! Only two men get to call me that and one is my Grandpa.

princessjas
01-12-2010, 07:27 PM
Well, again, I am not saying they are happy. I am saying it's a choice.

BTW, It's not a question of believing or not believing what you or any other person posts here. I read the posts and the opinions contained in them and respond with my POV.

Hmm, the opinion part may be that I think it does harm to the dancer....The FACT is that I've heard them say as much. Soooo, I believe them, and it follows that my OPINION is that they are miserable...cause most suicidale druggies are sorta miserable.

Jessie_tinydancer
01-12-2010, 07:33 PM
I've known lots of strippers in my life. Some clean, some dirty, some in between. Some of them love their jobs and some of them hate their jobs but it generally has little to do with what kind of club they are working in. In my experience the ones who don't like contact clubs don't work in them and the ones who can't handle doing extras don't do them even if it means making less money.

While I'm certainly not the guy in the club who goes looking for extras I know where to find them in both "clean" clubs and dirty clubs. They are everywhere. I don't expect any lady here on SW to condone what extras girls do but please stop acting like you are inside their heads because you are not. No one is saying a dancer who thinks the best way to earn a living is by sucking dick is happy about it. She does it because that is how she has decided to do the job. She does it because she wants the money. She does it by choice. We as customers are buying what she is selling, not forcing her to have sex with us. Walmart is always hiring. No one has to suck dick for a living. It's a choice.

This is the customer convo thread so we get to talk about this stuff here. If it makes you wanna hurl don't read it. This thread has been going on for weeks. We all know what is being talked about here.

Do you really think we can't get inside their heads? They were once like us...a clean dancer and any one of us could turn into one of them. It isn't a choice. Even the top earners go through bad times. Do you think I've never been tempted when a decent, clean looking guy has offered me $3K to go home with him? Was I tempted by his good looks and charm? Fuck no. I was tempted by the money and I live a very comfortable life. Do you think I've never thought of actually being an escort? It sure as hell wasn't cause I love guys and think it would just be so much fun to fuck them all day long.

Now imagine I have 1 or 2 kids, no partner and a not so great hustle. I am not educated, but I am still freaking hot. You are right. These girls are choosing. They are choosing to suck dick instead of let their kids starve and get taken away or end up freezing on the street.

Do any of you guys have daughters, nieces, sisters? Do you really think any of them would choose to participate in sexual activity for money? Sure no one forces them, but it is survival of the fittest and for whatever personal reason, extras girls (Im talking the regular ones, not the one off was drunk or high or liked the guy or whatever) feel it is the only way they can make the money they need to survive.

Obviously we will never agree on the topic. It just makes me sad.

bigmarv
01-12-2010, 07:38 PM
Fuck off with the darlin stuff! Only two men get to call me that and one is my Grandpa.

I get your subtle message that I'm not the other one. ;)

Bella_xo_xo
01-12-2010, 07:46 PM
Where is the "I don't tolerate extra's or dance for men who suggest them" option?

yoda57us
01-12-2010, 08:01 PM
Obviously we will never agree on the topic. It just makes me sad.

I think we agree on more than you realize. You are not able to separate your emotions from the topic and I certainly understand that. I am not however willing to accept that a woman who needs money has no other choice than to suck a man's cock to get it. It is a choice. That being said, I am also not passing judgment on the women that do.

Jessie_tinydancer
01-12-2010, 08:05 PM
I just had an idea. How about next time Bigperv or whatever his name is goes into his local. He gives the girl $500 and says you can either do what we normally do or you can just dance, drink and chat with me for an hour. Your choice. I want you to do what makes you happy. hmmmm I wonder what she will choose.

yoda57us
01-12-2010, 08:06 PM
Hmm, the opinion part may be that I think it does harm to the dancer....The FACT is that I've heard them say as much. Soooo, I believe them, and it follows that my OPINION is that they are miserable...cause most suicidale druggies are sorta miserable.

Not sure what your issue is her. You are the one who ended a post by saying you didn't care if we (or I?) believed you or not. I was merely stating that it I take you on your word.