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FBR
12-10-2009, 10:04 PM
"I've met about 159836709236 more strippers than you have."

and you've bought dances with what like ZERO? LOL.

Please learn how to use the quote function. There is a quote button for God's sake. It's very annoying to have to scroll up to see whose comment you are referring to.

FBR

Elvia
12-10-2009, 10:16 PM
2) Others have different opinions and while I agree with yours about separating brothels and strip-clubs the market suggests otherwise and its the market that will win out every time since they are voting with their $$$.

Funny, I live in a city with predominantly clean clubs and it seems to work just fine.

I know a lot of people would stop going to clubs if they were to suddenly become brothels as well. A lot of people are comfortable with strip clubs and aren't comfortable frequenting places where prostitution is going on.

Djoser
12-11-2009, 02:17 AM
Funny, I live in a city with predominantly clean clubs and it seems to work just fine.

I know a lot of people would stop going to clubs if they were to suddenly become brothels as well. A lot of people are comfortable with strip clubs and aren't comfortable frequenting places where prostitution is going on.

The last club I worked at in Daytona was for all intents and purposes a whorehouse, with anywhere from 60-80% of the dancers on any given night blowing and/or fucking the guys in VIP. Apparently it's gotten even worse now.

Here the clubs are very clean, relatively speaking. Any dancers caught letting guys finger them--or kiss them--or anything like that, are fired instantly.

And what a difference! The women are so much happier, and consequently so much more entertaining, in a literal sense.

There are customers who prefer prostitutes as dancers, to be sure, but there are also many, many customers--thank god--who do not want the 30th BJ of the night from 'Angel'.

And they sure as shit don't want to fucking french kiss her either...

Golden_Rule
12-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Funny, I live in a city with predominantly clean clubs and it seems to work just fine.

I know a lot of people would stop going to clubs if they were to suddenly become brothels as well. A lot of people are comfortable with strip clubs and aren't comfortable frequenting places where prostitution is going on.


That is in your market, and honestly I am very glad for both you and those who attend S-Cs in that market. It is always better if markets are clearly defined and people know precisely what they are purchasing when they enter an establishment. It reduces problems dramatically.

That isn't the way things work in the NYC and Phillie metro areas though. Lots of mainstream clubs with extras going on. Not the majority of the women in the mainstream clubs yet, but enough of them that the water gets plenty muddy. There is a crackdown going on in the Phillie area. I suppose we'll see what comes of that.

Hell, the higher up you go in the scaling of "gentleman's clubs" in this area the more likely it is to find full service extras. By way of example, it is a LOT easier for a person of means [be that money, celebrity, or just knowing how it works] to get laid in PEC or Hustler in Manhattan than, say, Stilettos in Carllstadt, NJ, just across the Hudson.

The mix of straight out sexual acts for $$$ and just plain lap dancing is a mess in this market.

Golden_Rule
12-16-2009, 01:05 PM
There are customers who prefer prostitutes as dancers, to be sure, but there are also many, many customers--thank god--who do not want the 30th BJ of the night from 'Angel'.

And they sure as shit don't want to fucking french kiss her either...

My approach is different from your own as I won't put down anyone's personal preference. The dancers who want to dance and prostitute and the customers who want to see them should have venues for that. The dancers and the customers who want to see them should also.

What we individually think is gross or not shouldn't effect the rights of those who feel differently IF no one is being harmed in the process.

That doesn't mean I don't totally agree that these venues ought to be well defined and marketed for precisely what they are. That way providers and consumers find precisely what they want and no one is peeing in anyone else's pool. :)

chris91
12-17-2009, 02:21 AM
My approach is different from your own as I won't put down anyone's personal preference. The dancers who want to dance and prostitute and the customers who want to see them should have venues for that. The dancers and the customers who want to see them should also.

What we individually think is gross or not shouldn't effect the rights of those who feel differently IF no one is being harmed in the process.

That doesn't mean I don't totally agree that these venues ought to be well defined and marketed for precisely what they are. That way providers and consumers find precisely what they want and no one is peeing in anyone else's pool. :)

:puke

Christyismyalias
12-17-2009, 04:36 AM
My approach is different from your own as I won't put down anyone's personal preference. The dancers who want to dance and prostitute and the customers who want to see them should have venues for that. The dancers and the customers who want to see them should also.

It's not a matter of putting down anyone's preference. Being that we are in the sex industry, I think many of us would agree we don't have a problem with prostitution, you have something they want and you want to use it to profit? Go for it.
We just have a problem with it being competition in OUR clubs where DANCING is what's meant to be for sale.

Granted, personally I work at a very clean club (THANK GOD!), but this is everywhere and it's getting worse and worse. These men are getting so much in the clubs, that they expect it everywhere. And it makes it hard on the ENTERTAINERS of the industry.


What we individually think is gross or not shouldn't effect the rights of those who feel differently IF no one is being harmed in the process.

It doesn't matter who thinks what is gross, what matters is our income level being affected by people breaking the rules. "the RIGHTS of those...." Technically it's not a RIGHT because this subject we are speaking on is mostly illegal (in the US) and regardless, there ARE escort services and venues for these people to seek out.


That doesn't mean I don't totally agree that these venues ought to be well defined and marketed for precisely what they are. That way providers and consumers find precisely what they want and no one is peeing in anyone else's pool.

Unfortunately, our pools are yellow from all the pee in them.

There are escorts and there are strip clubs. It's a seperate thing. Easy and simple. You want sex, call an escort. Want a dance, go to a SC..
Unfortunately the men come straight to the strip clubs expecting this that and the other when all I want is to do my job- which is DANCE (and yes, it's b/c many women provide these services, and trust me, I do blame the women!) It's not being regulated and these girls are prostituting at our clubs, breaking the law and making it harder for us. Bottom line.


One more thing and i'll hop off my soap box- My best friend tells me about a popular club in my area about 10 years ago that had the dancers charging 300 or whatever for an hour VIP and the extras girls charging 1500 or whatever, that way they werent in the same bracket of competition and everyone was happy.. Those who wanted dances/entertainment got it, and those who wanted more had to pay more, but got it and all the girls were happy b/c no one stepped on toes.
It's so different now, girls are doing extras for the same or CHEAPER than dances, making it crazy hard for entertainers to do their job and make people happy with what the biz is SUPPOSED to be. I'm just sayin.. The lines are so blurry and the extras girls really need to learn better business skills. Do more CHARGE MORE. And take it elsewhere. K? Thanks!

bem401
12-17-2009, 08:05 AM
It's so different now, girls are doing extras for the same or CHEAPER than dances, making it crazy hard for entertainers to do their job and make people happy with what the biz is SUPPOSED to be. I'm just sayin.. The lines are so blurry and the extras girls really need to learn better business skills. Do more CHARGE MORE. And take it elsewhere. K? Thanks!

The problem is that, in this economy, the demand for adult entertainment of all sorts is down. The value of anything being offered isn't what it was 5 years ago. At my club of choice, PD's were once $30 a dance all the time. They are now $10 a dance as often as not. In my area (RI), they recently outlawed prostitution and, in theory at least, extras in the clubs. Business is slower than ever now for the clean dancers. While the extras girls may be part of the problem, I'd argue they are a small part of the problem.

Christyismyalias
12-17-2009, 01:36 PM
The problem is that, in this economy, the demand for adult entertainment of all sorts is down. The value of anything being offered isn't what it was 5 years ago. At my club of choice, PD's were once $30 a dance all the time. They are now $10 a dance as often as not. In my area (RI), they recently outlawed prostitution and, in theory at least, extras in the clubs. Business is slower than ever now for the clean dancers. While the extras girls may be part of the problem, I'd argue they are a small part of the problem.

I don't disagree the business is not at all what it used to be and that business as a whole is down. But my points still stand, I still blame these girls for selling themselves short and destroying the business of dancing, and they need to take their sex OUTSIDE the club. Find cust. in the club if they want, just dont make it into brothels when they are meant for entertainment. I don't think it's impossible to get back, b/c (as my club shows) people still come strictly for entertainment and don't want the extras (as a whole). It just needs to be cleaned up.
Of course the economy isn't great, but bars with alcohol always make money (even more in these times) and sex (but not LITERALLY please!) always sells. So people will always come out to the clubs, it's just a matter of girls giving away so much for so little and RUINING business for everyone. It's not rocket science but people get desperate and do whatever to get that cash..

Earl_the_Pearl
12-17-2009, 08:44 PM
It doesn't matter who thinks what is gross, what matters is our income level being affected by people breaking the rules. "the RIGHTS of those...." Technically it's not a RIGHT because this subject we are speaking on is mostly illegal (in the US) and regardless, there ARE escort services and venues for these people to seek out.

One more thing and i'll hop off my soap box- My best friend tells me about a popular club in my area about 10 years ago that had the dancers charging 300 or whatever for an hour VIP and the extras girls charging 1500 or whatever, that way they werent in the same bracket of competition and everyone was happy.. !
First forget about legal and illegal as it is not black and white but varying shades of gray. In New Jersey the law says there is to be NO contact between dancers and PLs and tips are not to be placed in the costume. This is 100% ignored even in the cleanest club in NJ except for one that recently got busted for dancers showing an uncovered breast. Charley, the owner, must have missed a payment or two for this to have happened.

As for clean dancers charging $1,200.00 less for VIP how could that be done? Doesn't the house get a cut of the action and isn't it the rules of dancing to promise a PL anything to get the money and once the money changes hands it is forgotten.


I don't disagree the business is not at all what it used to be and that business as a whole is down. But my points still stand, I still blame these girls for selling themselves short and destroying the business of dancing, and they need to take their sex OUTSIDE the club.

So called private dances is what destroyed dancing and turned it into one big hustle instead of entertainment.

chris91
12-18-2009, 01:56 AM
isn't it the rules of dancing to promise a PL anything to get the money and once the money changes hands it is forgotten.
Is it a rule that you have to make offensive generalizations about dancers in every other post?




So called private dances is what destroyed dancing and turned it into one big hustle instead of entertainment.

You know, I actually sort of agree with this. When deja vu came to nola and put in their private dance booths, I saw a significant decrease in my income. Or rather, I saw an increase in the amount of work I had to do. It used to be that champagne rooms were the only option for privacy. All dances were done on the floor, there was no contact, and dudes spent a lot more money.

Golden_Rule
12-18-2009, 11:49 PM
:puke


As long as you realize there are others puking about what YOU do, and that your reaction to puke on what other sex workers do just lends justification to those puking on you.

Golden_Rule
12-18-2009, 11:51 PM
We just have a problem with it being competition in OUR clubs where DANCING is what's meant to be for sale.

Agreed. Said so myself several times in this thread. Strip-clubs and bordellos should be two different things.

Djoser
12-19-2009, 12:25 AM
So called private dances is what destroyed dancing and turned it into one big hustle instead of entertainment.

There is a lot of truth to this. When table dances and stage dancing was the entertainment, there were very, very few clubs with extras going on. Also, the guys getting their dicks rubbed via grinding is what brings on all manner of groping and kissing and fingering attempts. And the dancers who don't mind prostitution in the clubs can do whatever they want. Even in clean clubs there are ways to get around surveillance.

If I had my way, there would be no private dances, only table and stage. But I think it's way too late to go back to that now...

Elvia
12-19-2009, 12:30 AM
That is in your market,

Obviously, it's not just a matter of what the market demands. It helps a lot that the rules and laws are actually enforced.

Djoser
12-19-2009, 02:03 AM
It really should be pointed out (again lol) that the clubs with a lot of extras going on are not as friendly. It's hard on the women, blowing a couple dozen guys a night. they aren't as nice to talk to, etc. and I don't blame them one bit.

Some guys don't care, they just want blowjobs. Doesn't sound like fun to me, being number 27 of the night. There's a lot of guys who want at least the illusion that the dancers might actually care about them. Talking about market equations and supply and demand tends to overlook this factor, and it is very important in the better clubs.

chris91
12-19-2009, 03:49 AM
As long as you realize there are others puking about what YOU do, and that your reaction to puke on what other sex workers do just lends justification to those puking on you.

I wasn't puking on what other dancers do. I was puking on your condescending, know it all, captain obvious post.

That said, I will puke whenever, on whatever, for any reason I see fit. You don't get to set the terms of my puking. You are not the boss of regurgitation.

Earl_the_Pearl
12-19-2009, 05:10 AM
You are not the boss of regurgitation.



Permit me.
http://images.clipartof.com/small/22159-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Yellow-Emoticon-Face-Puking-Up-Green-Barf.jpg

Earl_the_Pearl
12-19-2009, 05:19 AM
Obviously, it's not just a matter of what the market demands. It helps a lot that the rules and laws are actually enforced.


We have clubs in NJ that enforce the laws of go-go; I never go there.

You have what I want; I have what you want. I'll be waiting for you on Market Street Paterson.

If you can make it without having to dance for Earl you are above the cut.

Point of order; Earl lets the dancer lead the way. Paterson dancers love Earl.


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yoda57us
12-19-2009, 09:23 AM
Please learn how to use the quote function. There is a quote button for God's sake. It's very annoying to have to scroll up to see whose comment you are referring to.

FBR

If I could hit the thank you button a thousand times for this post I would!

I propose permanent banning for any board participants who refuse to learn how to use the quote function.>:(

Golden_Rule
12-21-2009, 03:51 PM
That said, I will puke whenever, on whatever, for any reason I see fit. You don't get to set the terms of my puking. You are not the boss of regurgitation.

Nowhere in the post you responded to was it remotely suggested that I was:

1) Telling you were to puke.

2) That I was the boss of anything.

All I did say is that positions frequently, like actions, have consequences. The consequence of yours is that others will use similar justification to judge YOU, and your position leaves you nowhere to go that isn't the action of a hypocrite since you have already committed yourself to the same type of judging of others in the sex industry.

Understand now?

chris91
12-22-2009, 12:14 AM
Nowhere in the post you responded to was it remotely suggested that I was:

1) Telling you were to puke.

2) That I was the boss of anything.

All I did say is that positions frequently, like actions, have consequences. The consequence of yours is that others will use similar justification to judge YOU, and your position leaves you nowhere to go that isn't the action of a hypocrite since you have already committed yourself to the same type of judging of others in the sex industry.

Understand now?


WHAT?! Are you trying to tell me that people might judge me?! That my actions have "consequences"?? WHY DIDN'T SOMEONE TELL ME THIS BEFORE?!!! Oh my god, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'm off now to think long and hard about this new information that you have presented to me. Maybe I will call my parents and scold them for leaving me to learn these important lessons from a stranger on the internets.

Elvia
12-22-2009, 12:48 AM
And as she already explained to you Gr, she wasn't "puking" on what other sex workers do. She was expressing disdain and the condescending, preachy tone of the post.

mediocrity
12-22-2009, 01:57 AM
Nowhere in the post you responded to was it remotely suggested that I was:

1) Telling you were to puke.

2) That I was the boss of anything.

All I did say is that positions frequently, like actions, have consequences. The consequence of yours is that others will use similar justification to judge YOU, and your position leaves you nowhere to go that isn't the action of a hypocrite since you have already committed yourself to the same type of judging of others in the sex industry.

Understand now?

Oh give me a fucking break.

laurcon
12-22-2009, 07:27 AM
i'm telling you ladies, put GR on ignore and your quality of life will improve about 2%.

just reading what you guys quoted of him is driving me insane. i'm screaming in my head "no one's judging!!" but i know there's no point in actually typing that to him for the 3000th time.
i just want to save others the same frustration, in addition to not wanting to read his bs posts even in quotes.

jaizaine
12-22-2009, 11:39 AM
I've only ever kissed one regular and he has now been my bf for 2 years ;D

But it's prob her hustle. Who knows.

OmarJones
12-23-2009, 03:47 PM
That is in your market, and honestly I am very glad for both you and those who attend S-Cs in that market. It is always better if markets are clearly defined and people know precisely what they are purchasing when they enter an establishment. It reduces problems dramatically.

That isn't the way things work in the NYC and Phillie metro areas though. Lots of mainstream clubs with extras going on. Not the majority of the women in the mainstream clubs yet, but enough of them that the water gets plenty muddy. There is a crackdown going on in the Phillie area. I suppose we'll see what comes of that.

Hell, the higher up you go in the scaling of "gentleman's clubs" in this area the more likely it is to find full service extras. By way of example, it is a LOT easier for a person of means [be that money, celebrity, or just knowing how it works] to get laid in PEC or Hustler in Manhattan than, say, Stilettos in Carllstadt, NJ, just across the Hudson.

The mix of straight out sexual acts for $$$ and just plain lap dancing is a mess in this market.

From the tri-state area i always found that odd, but true. The biggest whore houses are the large clubs like hustler,pec and ricks. The more upscale the more extras that are going on. Way too many rich guys in nyc guys paying thousands for sex, cause its nothing for them

laurcon
12-23-2009, 04:41 PM
From the tri-state area i always found that odd, but true. The biggest whore houses are the large clubs like hustler,pec and ricks. The more upscale the more extras that are going on. Way too many rich guys in nyc guys paying thousands for sex, cause its nothing for them

well many of those rich guys in nyc also pay thousands for the company of a beautiful woman who isn't their wife, with no expectations of extras, cause its nothing for them. :P