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Elvia
12-06-2009, 07:19 PM
Usually when people come here, they have some reason for choosing a forum for dancers. Either they are a dancer, or a SC enthusiast, or they want to discuss a topic that has something to do with stripping. This is just random.
she suggested that 'strippers' who like East and Southeast Asian men can help dispel some myths about Asian men
Again, I'm confused. Can you explain the reasoning behind this?
Elvia
12-06-2009, 07:29 PM
PS: If I was a heavy spender in strip clubs, would my message have any more merit? Perhaps on a forum for exotic dancers it might. That's true. :)
Just to clear this up- it would not. We're on the internet, all you could do was claim to be a big spender. We have no way of verifying if that's true. Now, maybe if you were in a club, and spending money on a dancer, she'd be more inclined to tell you whatever you wanted to hear. But we're not at work, and you're not paying us, so we're pretty much going to to go ahead and tell you what we think.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 07:33 PM
I'm a black woman. There are some great conversation pieces in this thread but I'm going to stay lite and be shallow and request more eye candy :)
As promised...
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AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 07:34 PM
The Ting Brothers - one of the FEW bright spots in the American pop culture landscape. Although they're nowhere near being mainstream across America, they are minor celebrities in Los Angeles since they were on the USC national championship football team, when Reggie Bush was playing. Brandon & Ryan Ting. Go Trojans! 8)
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AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 07:34 PM
Yoshihiro Akiyama, Mixed Martial Artist. Made his debut in the U.S. this year, he'll shred your ass faster than you can say his name.
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I loooooooooooooove asian men. My current bf is Vietnamese. :)
Oooh I love him.
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Your boyfriend's fuckn HOT!
As promised...
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The Ting Brothers - one of the FEW bright spots in the American pop culture landscape. Although they're nowhere near being mainstream across America, they are minor celebrities in Los Angeles since they were on the USC national championship football team, when Reggie Bush was playing. Brandon & Ryan Ting. Go Trojans!
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Originally Posted by wish
I'm a black woman. There are some great conversation pieces in this thread but I'm going to stay lite and be shallow and request more eye candy
As promised...
Good LAWD! When you come through you COME THROUGH! I need a moment alone....or 5
sananeko
12-06-2009, 07:45 PM
I know I should be just walking away from this is getting out of hand..
This thread is nothing about a waste of space.. and I'll tell you why.
You came to a stripper fourm to dispel myths about asians.. One its only a myth if you believe its a myth, and by trying to dispelling it means in a small part of your brain you believe it..
Your also calling out other places about this myth and other points that don't need to be here..
This place is about breaking sterotypes and showing who we really are, not what everyone is cause some are that sterotype.. Now I have never dated a asian man cause I'm still with my first and only love. I don't find races sexy.. I find people to be sexy, never just cause hes white/black/ blue with orange dots..
I say it would of been better if you just show yourself out and let people think wow hes not like the sterotype I hear about all the time.. That is a perfect way to bring it across.. It cause people try to fully debunk sterotypes is why there are sterotypes.. You annoy and shove it down other peoples thoats make it harder to swallow and people will not want to learn about it.
Now I know in every race and sex there are myths that people dispel everyday by being themselves and not trying to prove to others. There were myths saying a woman can never be strong, look out in the world woman handle the bad and the heavy as well as men can. There is a myth that men can never have feelings, yet we have male poets. Now I know you looked at threads about size and likes but guess what.. They don't matter cause every man size is different and can be skinny to fat to cut.
Now I think we should be talking about your beliefs about asians.. Do you really think those myths are true? If you don't then why are you trying to prove that they are not. I think its only self doubt they will make others try to dispel/debunk/or even rage hate cause in a small way they believe its true.. When people can get pass that, if its humanly capable you will be suprise how bored everyone is going to be..
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Usually when people come here, they have some reason for choosing a forum for dancers. Either they are a dancer, or a SC enthusiast, or they want to discuss a topic that has something to do with stripping. This is just random.
Yeah if put that way, I guess so, huh? That makes sense.
Again, I'm confused. Can you explain the reasoning behind this?
Well, discussing this will bring in yet another tangent into the fold. Namely, the objectification of women and the sexism that is inherent in a society that endorses such behavior. I'm sure that as a community of exotic dancers this topic and that of general male sexism & misogyny has come up many times.
So anyway. We were having a group chat about our project and the topic of strippers (as the subset of 'pop culture' figures including actresses, pop stars, models, and porn stars) occupy an interesting niche in the minds of American men: as the physical manifestation of their sexual fantasies.
The reasoning is very low-brow and simple, fitting that of your average American Joe (and certainly not indicative of all the issues that we have in mind while promoting our site, obviously - this "stripper" off-shoot was a random and fairly minor thread of discussion we had): if an object of American male sexual fantasy (of any race - be it white, black, Latin, Asian) can find Asian men desirable and openly express it, it will help, in its small way, to shift perceptions of Asian men as 'sexual zeros'.
That was the line of thinking in its rawest, undeveloped form. And we are in no way presenting that as an absolute. It could very well be that no one in the larger society gives a damn what a bunch of strippers think.
But I came here seeking a dialogue with people, and they are always free to disagree - minus ad hominem attacks.
Unfortunately, some individuals did not have to the sense to do this so I have expended precious energy dealing with people who make outlandish statements before digesting all the facts and information. I am inclined to ignore such comments whenever possible from now on.
Elvia
12-06-2009, 07:55 PM
I do think it's a little ridiculous that you've come here expecting open-mindedness for your cause after proving that you're quick to make judgments and assumptions about us.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Thanks for your reply!
You came to a stripper fourm to dispel myths about asians..
No, I came here to seek an alternate perspective from a group of individuals living an 'alternate lifestyle'. I've found almost all the responses englightening - even those that disagree with my statements. This will help us calibrate our message so it better resonates on an emotional and logical level with non-Asians. That was the main purpose: this is just the first stop, and we don't intend to ask only strippers. We will visit other forums and seek opinions there.
One its only a myth if you believe its a myth, and by trying to dispelling it means in a small part of your brain you believe it..
Right, the 'self-fulfilling prophecy' thing.
Say you have a black male friend.
He lives in Watts/South Central L.A. and has to live with bullets flying over his head every day. He can't wear blue or red cos the Bloods and the Crips will pepper his ass with bullets, and he literally has to dodge from behind car to car to get around. He's trapped in a cycle of poverty simply because he was born into such a terrible environment.
That he should try all he can do get out of that toxic environment goes without saying, but should he believe that he is not oppressed? Is that keeping it real? Black Americans are so often slammed by others for "bitching n moaning", but it's easy to wax philosophical from your ivory tower, when you live amongst the ocean breeze and palm trees in Venice Beach or Santa Monica. :P
This place is about breaking sterotypes and showing who we really are, not what everyone is cause some are that sterotype.. Now I have never dated a asian man cause I'm still with my first and only love. I don't find races sexy.. I find people to be sexy, never just cause hes white/black/ blue with orange dots..
No one wants you to break up with your love in the name of political correctness and shack up with an Asian - and no was accusing you of being prejudiced. And good for you - that's how it should be.
I say it would of been better if you just show yourself out and let people think wow hes not like the sterotype I hear about all the time..
That is a perfect way to bring it across.. It cause people try to fully debunk sterotypes is why there are sterotypes..
Sigh... this is not a personal website. Oh my god. /:O It has two components - one for Asian men to take the initiative and make some changes in their personal lives to change, improve, and indeed dispel stereotypes - and one to spread awareness and keep the pressure on the general public, to keep them honest. Covert forms of racism creep up all the time if this is not done.
You annoy and shove it down other peoples thoats make it harder to swallow and people will not want to learn about it.
If you read my thread I have specified several times that it is up to the individual to accept or reject it. I am doing nothing of the sort - it just seems that people see the volume of this thread and are going ape-shit all by themselves. Which means I have to deal with the mess they create when they go pissing all over the place. :-\
Now I know in every race and sex there are myths that people dispel everyday by being themselves and not trying to prove to others. There were myths saying a woman can never be strong, look out in the world woman handle the bad and the heavy as well as men can. There is a myth that men can never have feelings, yet we have male poets. Now I know you looked at threads about size and likes but guess what.. They don't matter cause every man size is different and can be skinny to fat to cut.
That is precisely it. :) I am not sure why you are offering these thoughts - which only echo that of my website - as a counterpoint against my arguments. I'm confused, because we're echoing each other.
Now I think we should be talking about your beliefs about asians.. Do you really think those myths are true? If you don't then why are you trying to prove that they are not. I think its only self doubt they will make others try to dispel/debunk/or even rage hate cause in a small way they believe its true.. When people can get pass that, if its humanly capable you will be suprise how bored everyone is going to be..
Again - why is this personal? :O Do you not understand the duality of literally everything in this world? Asians should not limit themselves with limiting and self-fulfilling beliefs (this is true and that's why I literally half of our website is devoted to self-help and re-defining ourselves), but it's equally pointless to sweep everything under the rug and pretend that racism and prejudice does not exist - simply because its boring or annoying.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 08:08 PM
I do think it's a little ridiculous that you've come here expecting open-mindedness for your cause after proving that you're quick to make judgments and assumptions about us.
Please elaborate? My ears and mind are completely open.
Elvia
12-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Please elaborate? My ears and mind are completely open.
Take an Asian woman stripper for example.
She might be the 'black sheep' of a traditional Asian family: she is very sexual and has a wild side to her. The majority of Asian men who go on to become doctors and professionals bore her - she wants some excitement with a badboy. She may also be rebelling against parental expectations. And she may also have a strain of internalized racism ("self-hate") inside her - this is not uncommon in people of color who grow up on a steady diet of media (movies, television, pornography, print, etc.) that only shows white people in a diversified manner - as human, heroic, multifaceted, complex, intriguing romantic, strong, sexually appealing and a host of other desirable traits.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of this, feel free to share your opinions! ;)
I will ad that one thing that does not go over well here is people who have never worked in the sex industry psychoanalyzing the motives of people who do. We're not all "very sexual," not by a long shot. The industry has more of a reputation for compromising your interest in sex pretty fast. We don't all date bad boys. Many of us have partner's with mainstream jobs. I don't know why you think it means she might be "self-hating" in any sense, and that's a pretty offensive thing to suggest on a support forum for strippers.
It's also equally likely that she just enjoys the money and benefits that being a stripper offers, and isn't particularly "traditional" enough to let traditional beliefs hold her back. If you ask almost anyone why they got into the sex industry, they'll most likely tell you "the money." And yet, people continue to try to come up with a bunch of other motives and push those instead.
There ya go.
KiwiStrawberry Splenda
12-06-2009, 08:40 PM
The Ting brothers = The elusive Asian Guido, no longer a myth!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_n18T59WsTbs/Ss5V9AKS2JI/AAAAAAAAB8M/c3swqdNv_jA/s800/Ting-Twins-01.jpg
sananeko
12-06-2009, 08:43 PM
Thanks for your reply!
No, I came here to seek an alternate perspective from a group of individuals living an 'alternate lifestyle'. I've found almost all the responses englightening - even those that disagree with my statements. This will help us calibrate our message so it better resonates on an emotional and logical level with non-Asians. That was the main purpose: this is just the first stop, and we don't intend to ask only strippers. We will visit other forums and seek opinions there.
I will give this to you only cause I'm seeing a pattern here of wording.
Right, the 'self-fulfilling prophecy' thing.
Say you have a black male friend.
He lives in Watts/South Central L.A. and has to live with bullets flying over his head every day. He can't wear blue or red cos the Bloods and the Crips will pepper his ass with bullets, and he literally has to dodge from behind car to car to get around. He's trapped in a cycle of poverty simply because he was born into such a terrible environment.
That he should try all he can do get out of that toxic environment goes without saying, but should he believe that he is not oppressed? Is that keeping it real? Black Americans are so often slammed by others for "bitching n moaning", but it's easy to wax philosophical from your ivory tower, when you live amongst the ocean breeze and palm trees in Venice Beach or Santa Monica. :P
My so called ivory tower is in iowa where I was for sixteen years being beaten, raped, beaten again, and put thru many forms of pain by my parents and strangers. Just cause I might have a friend that is black and could be living that way but him believeing he is oppressed could be a reason hes still there. I have seen people walk out of their homes with nothing with them and leave all that behind and when I asked them how could they do that, they I'm told just cause its a way of life doesn't mean it has to be mine. He would only be oppressed if some one came after him and drag his ass back to that home. On a side note all my black friends would be pissed if they read this cause your trying to point out that they need a excuse. I'll skip their views about your comments to me cause you know nothing about me.
No one wants you to break up with your love in the name of political correctness and shack up with an Asian - and no was accusing you of being prejudiced. And good for you - that's how it should be. This has no reason to be here, I was stating of expirence, not trying to point out a excuse.
Sigh... this is not a personal website. Oh my god. /:O It has two components - one for Asian men to take the initiative and make some changes in their personal lives to change, improve, and indeed dispel stereotypes - and one to spread awareness and keep the pressure on the general public, to keep them honest. Covert forms of racism creep up all the time if this is not done. A wise woman told me once if a child behaves badly its best to not show weakness and to ingnore hurtful words, in the end they will learn that hate will never be listen to.
If you read my thread I have specified several times that it is up to the individual to accept or reject it. I am doing nothing of the sort - it just seems that people see the volume of this thread and are going ape-shit all by themselves. Which means I have to deal with the mess they create when they go pissing all over the place. :-\ Its the pictures and I was stating common cycle when people try to debunk myths.
That is precisely it. :) I am not sure why you are offering these thoughts - which only echo that of my website - as a counterpoint against my arguments. I'm confused, because we're echoing each other. You asked people to express what they think and now you saying I shouldn't cause it echos you.
Again - why is this personal? :O Do you not understand the duality of literally everything in this world? Asians should not limit themselves with limiting and self-fulfilling beliefs (this is true and that's why I literally half of our website is devoted to self-help and re-defining ourselves), but it's equally pointless to sweep everything under the rug and pretend that racism and prejudice does not exist - simply because its boring or annoying. I don't simply sweep it under a rug, I just don't view it like others. I see each person not people of colors, I understand there is prejudice I get it everyday cause people don't know what race I am and cause I'm a woman. I take it and only show pity to those who can't get pass any of that. I'm glad your helpping those who need it but If you were here to help and re-define males wouldn't you have placed it in the mens section? None of this is personal, its only personal cause you believe it is.
Now that I had to crayon my views what do you wish to pick at now? And yes thats personal.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 08:43 PM
There ya go.
Oh, right. I'm sorry, I did read those posts but I lost track of them. I'd be happy to address those.
I did not assert (or at least, intend to assert) that all strippers were oversexed nymphos. I gave *a* single example, just to illustrate one hypothetical point. And as such (an example), the parameters could only be generalized. That's the very nature of giving examples.
And it would indeed be incorrect to label all strippers as one thing or another because behind some commonalities are the individual experiences, histories, personalities, and motivations that make every stripper different. That fact was not lost on me, sorry if I inadvertantly made a sweeping statement.
And when I pointed to the possibility of some Asian women (or strippers, within the context of this thread) having some form of internalized racism where they see whiteness as superior and seek it out in a mate - I had a couple of now-deleted Asian female members in those three threads in the OP. They had even openly admitted their predisposed conditioning to selecting only white men as mates. If that isn't an oblique and indirect expression of racism (internalized), then I don't know what is.
My apologies for the clumsy wording, but that's the full story behind it.
firemaiden04
12-06-2009, 08:44 PM
I think I am just going to appreciate the pics and not participate in this debate. Never dated an Asian guy myself. In fact, I've only ever dated white guys. Not for any specific reason; just cause white guys were what came along. Definitely some hot pics in this thread, though.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 08:45 PM
Greasy Asian-American goombahs? :P
The Ting brothers = The elusive Asian Guido, no longer a myth!
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_n18T59WsTbs/Ss5V9AKS2JI/AAAAAAAAB8M/c3swqdNv_jA/s800/Ting-Twins-01.jpg
lopaw
12-06-2009, 08:55 PM
Wow.
Intense thread!
I'll just throw out there, for no real good reason, to the OP that I don't find asian men particularly attractive..... but I find asian WOMEN extremely attractive and have settled down with one (BTW - I am not a dancer...I am just another sad white woman PL ;) )
Am I not perfect research material or what? ;D
charlie61
12-06-2009, 08:55 PM
I'd like to encourage participation in a round of applause for Paris' efforts to understand/reply to the OP's issues.
I barely got past the OP, personally.
OP- why don't you go pick on the LongHair internet forum now. It's pretty much the same as choosing to post this on StripperWeb.
Oh and thanks for clarifying earlier what 'hyperbolic' means--the little parentheses (exaggerated). I'd hazzard a guess that, though we are lowly strippers, most of us know what that means.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:02 PM
My so called ivory tower is in iowa where I was for sixteen years being beaten, raped, beaten again, and put thru many forms of pain by my parents and strangers.
You're not looking for sympathy from a stranger, but I'm sorry that happened to you. Terrible. One of my exes was a white woman and she was sexually molested by her grandfather and emotionally/physically abused by her mother and father. She spent a lot of her time (and most of our relationship) trying to come to grips with that, and for me to be there with her was quite difficult.
Just cause I might have a friend that is black and could be living that way but him believeing he is oppressed could be a reason hes still there.
Yes, but only if he believes and doesn't do the OTHER PART of what we promote at AMRevolutions.com: self-improvement.
That is the indispensably critical component here, and I've been stressing that the entire time. Given that, there really is no debate. It is true that negative thinking begets more negativity, but if you also take proactive steps in your personal life to change things then that is completely off-set.
I have seen people walk out of their homes with nothing with them and leave all that behind and when I asked them how could they do that, they I'm told just cause its a way of life doesn't mean it has to be mine. He would only be oppressed if some one came after him and drag his ass back to that home. On a side note all my black friends would be pissed if they read this cause your trying to point out that they need a excuse. I'll skip their views about your comments to me cause you know nothing about me.
And all my Asian friends would be pissed at you for suggesting that the problems they face are completely imagined and self-imposed. That is not a balanced view - in reality it is a mixture of both - and again, I have been stating that from the start.
Its the pictures and I was stating common cycle when people try to debunk myths.
Right, that those specific individuals who are trying to raise awareness of a certain issue are only projecting their personal insecurities and shortcomings onto others.
That's kind of been done to death, and I assure that that's not the issue of contention here.
You asked people to express what they think and now you saying I shouldn't cause it echos you.
I did no such thing. I simply stated that we are saying the same thing. That has been constant, and won't change.
I don't simply sweep it under a rug, I just don't view it like others. I see each person not people of colors, I understand there is prejudice I get it everyday cause people don't know what race I am and cause I'm a woman. I take it and only show pity to those who can't get pass any of that.
I hear you. But no one wants pity - people want understanding and compassion. You pity stray dogs in gutters, and you show compassion to a fellow human being.
I'm glad your helpping those who need it but If you were here to help and re-define males wouldn't you have placed it in the mens section? None of this is personal, its only personal cause you believe it is.
Now that I had to crayon my views what do you wish to pick at now? And yes thats personal.
I had no idea that there was a Men's section. :O My apologies.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Oh and thanks for clarifying earlier what 'hyperbolic' means--the little parentheses (exaggerated). I'd hazzard a guess that, though we are lowly strippers, most of us know what that means.
So you don't read the thread, then go on to distill the entire thread/point down to that one parenthesis. Awesome.. good times. :D
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:08 PM
Wow.
Intense thread!
I'll just throw out there, for no real good reason, to the OP that I don't find asian men particularly attractive..... but I find asian WOMEN extremely attractive and have settled down with one (BTW - I am not a dancer...I am just another sad white woman PL ;) )
How right you are. A white man participating in a rigged game that is guaranteed to make him more attractive to women of color - particularly Asians, who suffer from a high-degree of internalized racism. :P
You are my personal hero. But no, you don't really merit any research because the white male/Asian female combo is one that has been turned inside out and gutted, dried, and mounted on the wall by the Asian-American community.
In other words, cases like yours are very well documented and have been analyzed to the point of tedium. :)
sananeko
12-06-2009, 09:14 PM
If you gave everyone understanding and compassion you would be dead the first time you said no. I give pity cause I understand and cause I understand I know that pity will show them a different view of things. Try it for twenty years, you'll see a difference.
Also.. completely imagined and self-imposed, your friends must be very closed-minded if that upsets them. I state that if you blame it on a problem it will never go away, it will stay there in your face til you learn to walk away or get rid of it. To create a wall in mind can help you see the wall but will not help you any faster than just walking thru or around.
Elvia
12-06-2009, 09:14 PM
How right you are. A white man participating in a rigged game that is guaranteed to make him more attractive to women of color - particularly Asians, who suffer from a high-degree of internalized racism. :P
You are my personal hero. But no, you don't really merit any research because the white male/Asian female combo is one that has been turned inside out and gutted, dried, and mounted on the wall by the Asian-American community.
In other words, cases like yours are very well documented and have been analyzed to the point of tedium. :)
Lopaw is a woman, as her post clearly stated.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:16 PM
lopaw, do you recommend that I post this there instead? I mean, that the admin move this there?
I guess my post, along with that of Islam in the same section and about a dozens others I see - are about as miscellaneous as they get within the context of this larger forum.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:16 PM
Lopaw is a woman, as her post clearly stated.
My bad! :-[
charlie61
12-06-2009, 09:18 PM
So you don't read the thread, then go on to distill the entire thread/point down to that one parenthesis. Awesome.. good times. :D
Yeah, we get people like you 'round this here place all the time. Don't see why your research topic is any more interesting than the rest of them.
lopaw
12-06-2009, 09:19 PM
lopaw, do you recommend that I post this there instead? I mean, that the admin move this there?
I guess my post, along with that of Islam in the same section and about the dozens I see - are about as miscellaneous as they get within the context of this larger forum.
No, because if you are looking for female input, it wouldn't really be the right place to post it, since the majority of customers are male (I am the rare exception).
When I posted my research offer, you did realize that I am female, right? White female/Asian female isn't worthy of some research? C'mon!! I'm stunned! /:O
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:24 PM
Yeah, we get people like you 'round this here place all the time. Don't see why your research topic is any more interesting than the rest of them.
People like me? Do you mean Asian guys, of whom half you labeled 'whiners' without even looking at the facts?
And why are you assuming that these points are being imposed on you? That's the only way you could possibly take offense, outside of the small selection of gaffes about dancers, which I've apologized for.
I've repeatedly stated that readers make their choice to accept or rejected it, and I've had various people fall on both sides of the issue so I got what I came for.
And would you mind showing even a modicum of impartiality, as a moderator?
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:27 PM
No, because if you are looking for female input, it wouldn't really be the right place to post it, since the majority of customers are male (I am the rare exception).
When I posted my research offer, you did realize that I am female, right? White female/Asian female isn't worthy of some research? C'mon!! I'm stunned! /:O
lol... I'm sorry about that.
Bear with me, because I'm being 'gang-banged' by a bunch of exotic dancers - and while that might be a very 'happy' event for a guy in another circumstance, it's probably not the case, online right here with me. ;D
I'm certainly open to hearing your opinions on that topic, although lesbian relationships with Asian women seem a distantly related topic to Asian men, if at all. But let's have it! I'd be happy to hear about it. :)
charlie61
12-06-2009, 09:28 PM
As a moderator (one of a few), it's kind of in my job description to keep our community closed to random whacks off of the web. And you straight up admitted that you don't even care for strip clubs.
So what gives you the right to barge in and question us? I mean I get it that you haven't done anything horribly wrong, but...I'm not sure I understand why you're here (instead of, say, in any other forum online)
JayATee
12-06-2009, 09:28 PM
Tell me, how do these things fly right over your head?
Im sorry, you know me well enough to make a statement like this? ::)
BTW, all you've done here is prove that you are a troll AND a whiner. What happened, some dancer turn you down for a dance and now you feel discriminated against? Aww! Poor you!!
Go away. This thread is a joke, as are you and your thinly veiled attempt to create drama.
charlie61
12-06-2009, 09:29 PM
^ oh my god. You're being RACIST. Are you saying all Asians are whiners????
JayATee
12-06-2009, 09:30 PM
^ No that statement was absolutely specific to him, and since I can't even be sure he's really asian it can't be considered racism. ;)
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:33 PM
^ oh my god. You're being RACIST. Are you saying all Asians are whiners????
LOL, what the heck... ;D
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 09:37 PM
So what gives you the right to barge in and question us? I mean I get it that you haven't done anything horribly wrong, but...I'm not sure I understand why you're here (instead of, say, in any other forum online)
I didn't "barge in". It went down exactly like this:
1. I introduced myself, preemptively asked for some understanding and cooperation, and specifically stated that I did not come to create drama.
2. That was disregarded right away - and others created the drama (below)
3. Then taking Paris' cue, some of you just went "down-town-to-chinatown". I stated that it would be perfectly fine to disagree, but people began to lob personal, ad-hominem attacks, and I find that questionable.
Edit: But hey, you know what? What do you care? I'm not a regular at strip joints so maybe I'm beneath contempt for some of you. I guess I can understand that given the nature and purpose of this community. And if I stepped on a few people's toes because of that, that's certainly my fault.
But I'm not sorry for trying to rationally discuss things with anyone, stripper or not: I came here on a complete whim without any shady designs and I haven't done anything wrong, so I feel that the rabid taunting and passive-aggressiveness was uncalled for.
Anyway, this will be the last and only thread I start here, out of respect for the boundaries and context of this community. And while I welcome any additional comments that are rational and devoid of completely pointless ad hominem attacks, I won't bother the lot of you any more. Good riddance, eh.
My sincere thanks go to most who replied - it was educational, which was precisely my objective. Thanks! :)
Pretty_Penny
12-06-2009, 10:15 PM
I'm staying out of the politics of this thread. I will only add this:
I love femme looking Jrock dudes.
http://97.img.v4.skyrock.net/974/reita00/pics/550636660.jpg
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/1500000/Nightmare-jrock-1527138-700-620.jpg
http://www.eigomanga.com/digest/jrock2/banner1.jpg
http://poprocksyum.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gaze-copy-copy.jpg
http://jhouserock.com/portal/images/stories/artists/12012-artist.jpg
but I'm also a fan of androgyny
charlie61
12-06-2009, 10:20 PM
^ Mmmm...I love androgyny. Super sexy.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 10:20 PM
I'm staying out of the politics of this thread. I will only add this:
I love femme looking Jrock dudes.
http://97.img.v4.skyrock.net/974/reita00/pics/550636660.jpg
http://images1.fanpop.com/images/photos/1500000/Nightmare-jrock-1527138-700-620.jpg
http://www.eigomanga.com/digest/jrock2/banner1.jpg
http://poprocksyum.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/gaze-copy-copy.jpg
http://jhouserock.com/portal/images/stories/artists/12012-artist.jpg
but I'm also a fan of androgyny
Which Japan is famous for. There's a big sub-culture of women all over the world who like J-Rock and those Marilyn Manson clones... more power to them.
AM Revolutions
12-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I'll try to help your cause ...... an asian guy gave me my first orgasm with another person , so I was SO THANKFUL to have met him and been able to take advantage of his skilzz . So .... I think many white women are open to dating asian men.
The height thing does make it hard though ( admittedly ) . The asian guy I dated was taller than me ( I'm 5'8'' ) , but that isn't the norm with Asian men.
I just met another one a couple weeks ago that was spot on my type ( engineer / creative/ cultured / liked wine and food ) ect. , but he was much shorter than me and it was a no-go.
I'm sure white women would date you. Asians can be somewhat intimidating ( especially the ones with traditional backgrounds ) .
Just ask some white women out and I'm sure you'll have some luck if you have your shit together !
I missed this post. Thanks for sharing your experienes carmen! I understand what you mean about the height factor - particularly if you're a tall woman.
But as I've stated previously (and repeatedly) - I'm not on a personal (I wish I could underline this 100 times ya'll will finally get it) mission to hook up with a white girl. I have done so numerous times in my life, as well as with black, Asian, and Latin women.
I am merely raising more awareness about Asian-American males and some of their issues, and it's fantastic that women like you are keeping an open mind. More power to you! :)
ArmySGT.
12-07-2009, 12:57 AM
I balk at homoeroticism. Gay takes real commitment and for me. I don't care for theater. I'll only do the Bard's comedies.
Bob_Loblaw
12-07-2009, 01:21 AM
I've been trying to decide whether to respond or not at the risk of further escalating the argument. Well, I guess we'll see where this goes...
From what I can piece together - you saw a thread (or two or three) on StripperWeb where a lonely Asian guy who goes to strip clubs because he can't get tail, and you lump this thread with that, primarily because (1) This thread also happens to be about Asian men and (2) because you haven't even taken a cursory look at our website to know the difference between self-entitled 'whining' and self-empowerment.
Oh well, thanks for playing.
Firstly, here's a smattering of some past Asian guy threads for your review:
Asian men dating white women (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130471)
Any white girls here have an asian boyfriend? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108400)
asian male "drawback"? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75561)
Asian guys (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58530)
Of course these specifically relate to asian men. It does not include the numerous other interracial threads or I'm doing research threads or why do nice guys finish last threads or does she really like me threads, etc. Considering how you only joined the site four days ago, I can understand to a degree why you may feel you've been unfairly judged. However, you should also understand your first post and thread follows the same pattern of many trolls who come and go on a regular basis. The combination of three elements in your first SW post would cause some people to suspect the presence of a troll:
stripper stereotypes
the subject race/racism (which is always a hot button topic here)
admission that you're not a SC customer (then why are you here?)
Secondly, how can you possibly hold the fact I hadn't looked at your website against me when you had not posted a link to it yet? In any case, I have since taken a look at it and I genuinely do find it whiny and insulting. Whether you choose to believe me or not, it's my honest opinion and I'm not saying that in an attempt to attack you on a personal level. For example:
It is not our fault that we cannot live up to a masculine ideal that is constructed in the image of the White Man
This is yet another piece of the puzzle in becoming a 'nerd' that is actually desirable to women.
you are also the victim of the biggest Lie ever sold to mankind
the asian-american woman... Thus by attaching herself to a white man, she raises her 'social capital', or her ability to socially align herself in an upward trajectory
And does the Asian woman attain 'freedom' from Asian male oppression in the arms of the white man, or is she merely swapping one shackle of male oppression for another, while assuming yet another undignified role as a 'racial opportunist'?
In a sense, it is a union of convenience - similar to women who marry for status or financial reasons - the only difference being that due to the social inequities between white men and men of color, 'whiteness' has come to take on an arbitrary and artificial value to women seeking a man that can provide for them and give them social status.
Asian-American men are on the right side of justice, decency and even history
Perhaps one day, when all the social inequalities and the power imbalance between white men and men of color are eradicated, Asian women and white men may have the the luxury and privilege of seeing themselves as truly colorblind people, and telling other people so.
I did not leave your site feeling empowered. Rather, I left feeling annoyed... annoyed because you're portraying Asians and Asian men in particular as victims which they are not IMO. Again, I am not attacking you personally. These are my honest opinions.
That's interesting, but that pattern of immigration seems to pertain to Canada? Asian-Americans have been immigrating into the United States since the 1960s when the Anti-Asian immigration acts were repealed - and if you don't count that the immigration history goes back to the 19th century.
No, the Asian immigration history of Canada is nearly parallel to the immigration history of the US. The first wave was back in the 1850s. In 1885, the Canadian government began charging a head tax on Chinese immigrants. In 1923, Chinese immigration was banned. For existing immigrants, employment and ownership restrictions were put in place. In 1947, they were finally given the right to vote and the Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed. In 1967, asians were finally subject to the same immigration rules as other groups. In 2006, the Prime Minister offered a full apology for the head tax and subsequent exclusion of immigrants.
And here you're talking about the advent of color TVs (uh, ok...) - and immigration in the 1990s? Are you serious?
OK, I conceed my argument in that section was exceptionally weak. What I was trying to say was that it really has not been very long since the beginning of the color TV era (i.e., starting the clock on deficient asian representation on TV). And with regards to the 1990s immigration part, the point I was trying to make was the greatest proportion of the asian population was due to this particular wave (I never said it was the first wave). Because the first generation children of this wave are only just now approaching adult age, the fact of the matter is the pool of qualified asians available to the entertainment and media industries in the past was extremely limited which explains why there were few asians in the media.
Yes, I have heard all this. The west coast of Canada - specifically Vancouver - is an anomaly.
Not really. While greater Vancouver's visible minorities make up 41.7% of the population, in eastern Canada, greater Toronto's visible minorities make up 42.9% of the population.
America is an absolutely massive country with a very thin and sparse smattering of Asians, whereas in Canada, Asians occupy the same niche as Latinos and African-Americans do in the States as the largest minority.
Oh, and some personal background... I was born in the prairies at a time when there were very few asians. I moved to Vancouver at the young age of four. From grade 1-7, I was one of only two asians in the entire elementary school. By the time I started grade 8, I was one of only five asians in the entire high school. I did not grow up in Hongcouver. Here's something I've come across on the internet regarding visible minority immigration to Vancouver:
About seven in 10 visible minorities in Vancouver CMA were born outside Canada. In fact, nearly two-thirds (62.7%) of all visible minorities who were foreign-born came to Vancouver CMA within the last 15 years. About 18.3% of the foreign-born visible minority population arrived in the 1980s, and 13.8% came in the 1970s. Only 5.2% consisted of immigrants who came to Canada in the 1960s or before.
Then you are feeling insulted over a phantom assertion that was never made. Check out my website again.
Again, you failed to provide the link earlier so I couldn't check out your website "again." And I provided examples of statements on your site I found insulting earlier in my post.
Where on earth was the 'white is right' paradigm ever endorsed in my thread?
We were talking about the suitability of asian males as potential mates for white females weren't we?
Considering Asians only make up 4.4% of the population in the US, we aren't doing too bad.
Again, I can't speak for the US but do I feel Asians are adequately represented in Canadian news media? Absolutely yes.
You have been speaking for and about the U.S. this whole time. ;D All while asserting that you as a Canadian have distinctly different experiences that invalidate the assertions made on behalf of Asian-American men. Do you plan on making up your mind soon? :)
Well, you kinda took my comments out of context. The first statement you quoted was in reference to Asians in all media (i.e., movies, tv, magazines, etc.). Hey, those of us in America's hat watch American TV on NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc. too! The second statement was specifically in response to news media as you were going on about the lack of asian news anchors. I don't have access to your local news media therefore I can't speak for the US but I do think Asians are adequately represented in Canadian news media.
You're right, this has specfically little to do with stripping - as many, many of threads here don't. I just read a heated and interesting debate on "honor killings" in the Islamic world, so if you're going to be consistent in your criticism please go and blast the guy who started that thread also, thanks.
So I'm not sure why this one is being singled out. Just cos you can? Not much of a reason to, imo.
Some context for you, again because you're new. SW used to have a section called Political Poo. In that forum, people discussed race, religion, politics, etc. You'll notice that that forum is nowhere to be found. That's because threads would often get so heated and personal that they would have to be locked. In the end, the entire forum was removed. Every now and then a hot button topic will pop up in lounge. You'll notice there's currently a thread on the first page of The Lounge forum that is locked.
I have not read the "honor killings" in the Islamic world thread because it was not a thread I was interested in reading. It is not my duty to read every thread on SW. On the other hand, you piqued my interest with your thread. Hey, it's all a matter of perception. You were able to capture an audience. You just weren't able to deliver.
sananeko
12-07-2009, 02:33 AM
...I didn't find this educational... I found it to be rude and demeaning to everyone.. but I guess I find it hard to understand that most people need a sterotype to feel safe.. I also can't understand why they need to admit or use a race card and yes this was, you felt the whole time people were attacking you when they were only expressing themselves.. Going on the this is my life cause I'm this color when I know there are other people of different races that can be in the same boat. I undertstand some need help but by seperating it into races and sexes only make people think its only that certain kind and not others.. I think thats why there are so many people that get no help cause you choose to make it only about one race.
Elvia
12-07-2009, 03:08 AM
Yeah...I'm not so sure about that website. It had nothing but negative things to say about interracial relationships involving Asian women, but the "Asian men and interracial relationships" sections it just a bunch of glowing, happy pictures of Asian men with white/black/Latina partners.
AM Revolutions
12-07-2009, 03:41 AM
Bob, nothing has to "escalate"... I came in peace, remember? I've never wavered from my commitment to keeping things civil, but that doesn't work when the other person delights in flinging shit at others no matter what.
I actually read one thread here about an obsessed stalker who tried to take legal action toward some of the women here, and I guess given such a hostile environment you can't blame some of them for having hair-trigger reactions... I'd be on edge too and take it out on the next random guy/gal to walk into the forum.
I've been trying to decide whether to respond or not at the risk of further escalating the argument. Well, I guess we'll see where this goes...
Firstly, here's a smattering of some past Asian guy threads for your review:
Asian men dating white women (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130471)
Any white girls here have an asian boyfriend? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108400)
asian male "drawback"? (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75561)
Asian guys (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58530)
Then given the above threads... good god. You guys were right, they are Asian men grovelling for attention from white women. That's not a pretty picture. I understand the ladies' knee jerk reaction into lumping me in with them, it totally seems plausible. But that still doesn't make it right, and that's that. I don't seek approval from white women, cos I've with been enough to know that they're no different from any other women when they wake up in the morning next to me. Same set of baggage, same problems, same things to love/hate about them as a brown, yellow, or black woman.
But even so maybe it could have been as simple as me doing a search for the keywords 'Asian men' before posting a thread. It didn't occur to me to do that at the time, so that's my bad. But then again I had no idea a bunch of Asian teens/Japanese businessmen could find such an obscure forum, that's a bit of a shock.
Considering how you only joined the site four days ago, I can understand to a degree why you may feel you've been unfairly judged.
I'm really not sore about that. We're just pixels on a screen, as far as almost all of us are concerned - and I can't feel personally insulted by some of the outlandish stuff that's been implied.
I was mostly dumbfounded by people who can't seem to make the simple connection that I'm here to spread a message, and repeatedly mischaracterize my site's message (trust me, this is not the opinion of one man) as the PERSONAL musings (whinings?) of an "Asian virgin" on the prowl for a virginal white/Aryan maiden - on a super-hostile stripper forum, no less. Oh, buddha-on-a-stick. Come on. ::)
However, you should also understand your first post and thread follows the same pattern of many trolls who come and go on a regular basis. The combination of three elements in your first SW post would cause some people to suspect the presence of a troll:
stripper stereotypes
the subject race/racism (which is always a hot button topic here)
admission that you're not a SC customer (then why are you here?)
I fully appreciate the above.
I apologized for number 1, that was no big whoop - an honest mistake that was more the result of lazy/poor word choice, more than anything.
Number 2 is a hot button topic anywhere - people simply panic and duck out because of it, and racism goes underground. That's crap - root it out and then deconstruct covert racism down to its component parts so that we can understand how it functions. That's the only way of dismantling it - avoiding it because it's controversial or makes overly-sensitive people defensive doesn't achieve anything.
Number 3 - well, it was a random decision. To be honest I had no idea people were going to be this passive-aggressively hostile (seriously, that's the worst kind), so maybe you can breathe a sigh of relief when I tell you that I don't plan on being around forever.
Secondly, how can you possibly hold the fact I hadn't looked at your website against me when you had not posted a link to it yet?
I have stated in the thread that if one were inclined to check it out, they should look at my Public Profile. This thread is long so if I made the disclosure after you made your initial post, you have my apology for not doing so well in advance of our exchange. That said - I did state my fear of being labelled and banned as a spammer before I got to say anything, so I didn't initially post my website's address. And that's that.
In any case, I have since taken a look at it and I genuinely do find it whiny and insulting.
Oh brother.
Ok. I've more or less figured out your rationale. 'Asian men just need to STFU and get on with it.' You won't tolerate anything that harks to or revisits the past - and the section entitled "Remember" would fit your criteria for that.
Believe it or not Bob, I more or less feel the same as you.
But decided to go ahead and create "Remember" as well so that people can learn and understand why and how it happened. It's about learning (if you're not Asian), making your peace (if you're an Asian male), and moving onto the latter sections of my website in order to evolve and re-invent ourselves. It's a re-birth, a renaissance of every Asian man who decides to help himself.
And Bob - it's alright if you scoff at this or don't buy any of it - it really is. No skin off my back. I'm just doing you the courtesy of properly explaining the project so that you actually know what the heck you're talking about.
So again. If AMR.com ended with 'Remember' it would unequivocally end up as yet another bitch-fest. But it does not. Please make a note of that, because that would really make my task easier.
Whether you choose to believe me or not, it's my honest opinion and I'm not saying that in an attempt to attack you on a personal level.
I thank you for that, and I believe you when you say you're not attacking me. You're just not convinced - but that's mostly because of your own confirmation bias. You've encountered many Asian male whiners on this forum (and probably in real life too), and you've internalized that archetype to such a degree that the moment anything Asian or male wants to talk about something like this, you brand him as a feeble and emasculated eunuch - and your highness consequently gets "annoyed". :-X
I've had this exact same debate in settings without any non-Asians, and it's just a waste of time. There is no need for already empowered Asian men get their drawers in a bunch because other brothers might need some help. And if they think that 'getting theirs' is enough at the end of the day and anyone who's still trying should go to hell - screw em. Who needs such selfish a-holes that are only out to save their own hides? This is about bringing a community together.
Anyway, I knew from the start that you'd approach this more rationally than some of the others, but the main contention I had with you was your mangling of the information at hand. Your response so far is more satisfactory, and I appreciate the time you took to formulate one, even if I disagree with some of it. So Thanks.
Moving on....
For example:
It is not our fault that we cannot live up to a masculine ideal that is constructed in the image of the White Man
This is yet another piece of the puzzle in becoming a 'nerd' that is actually desirable to women.
you are also the victim of the biggest Lie ever sold to mankind
the asian-american woman... Thus by attaching herself to a white man, she raises her 'social capital', or her ability to socially align herself in an upward trajectory
And does the Asian woman attain 'freedom' from Asian male oppression in the arms of the white man, or is she merely swapping one shackle of male oppression for another, while assuming yet another undignified role as a 'racial opportunist'?
In a sense, it is a union of convenience - similar to women who marry for status or financial reasons - the only difference being that due to the social inequities between white men and men of color, 'whiteness' has come to take on an arbitrary and artificial value to women seeking a man that can provide for them and give them social status.
Asian-American men are on the right side of justice, decency and even history
Perhaps one day, when all the social inequalities and the power imbalance between white men and men of color are eradicated, Asian women and white men may have the the luxury and privilege of seeing themselves as truly colorblind people, and telling other people so.
... and you feel these are illegitimate questions because, why? :O Because it reminds you of a bitter reality, and you'd function better if we just forgot about it and looked forward? Again, friend - I do not say anything outlandish or made-up there, and ultimately all one has to do is to look to "Evolve" to move forward from there.
This is a journey for all Asian-American men (and for future generations of Asian men as well), and you're sitting there grumbling because some people have their own arc of personal growth and development. Again - your lack of empathy for other Asian guys is evident. I personally try to help out Asian guys who might be lagging in their development, whenever it's possible, and I hope you do as well Bob. And I certainly hope you do not take pot-shots at those less fortunate and empowered than you.
I did not leave your site feeling empowered. Rather, I left feeling annoyed... annoyed because you're portraying Asians and Asian men in particular as victims which they are not IMO. Again, I am not attacking you personally. These are my honest opinions.
... and again, you're demonstrating your confirmation bias. You have made a snap judgment based on incomplete information and you have decided to stick with it. It's your loss I suppose. That's my opinion on how you arrived at your opinion.
No, the Asian immigration history of Canada is nearly parallel to the immigration history of the US. The first wave was back in the 1850s. In 1885, the Canadian government began charging a head tax on Chinese immigrants. In 1923, Chinese immigration was banned. For existing immigrants, employment and ownership restrictions were put in place. In 1947, they were finally given the right to vote and the Chinese Exclusion Act was repealed. In 1967, asians were finally subject to the same immigration rules as other groups. In 2006, the Prime Minister offered a full apology for the head tax and subsequent exclusion of immigrants.
Thanks, that's informative. I knew that there were approximate parallels but it's good to read about some of the specifics.
OK, I conceed my argument in that section was exceptionally weak. What I was trying to say was that it really has not been very long since the beginning of the color TV era (i.e., starting the clock on deficient asian representation on TV). And with regards to the 1990s immigration part, the point I was trying to make was the greatest proportion of the asian population was due to this particular wave (I never said it was the first wave). Because the first generation children of this wave are only just now approaching adult age, the fact of the matter is the pool of qualified asians available to the entertainment and media industries in the past was extremely limited which explains why there were few asians in the media.
You're speaking about Canada, aren't you... :O
Not really. While greater Vancouver's visible minorities make up 41.7% of the population, in eastern Canada, greater Toronto's visible minorities make up 42.9% of the population.
I meant it's an anomaly when seen in the context of a the greater North American cultural sphere. There is no other place (not even San Fransisco and the Chinese there) to rival the level of 'Asian-saturation' you see in Vancouver today. It's unprecedented, and my corollary point was that this level of saturation makes it a virtual and inevitable game of statistics whether a significant number of women (of all races) eventually end up with an Asian man (specifically, Cantonese).
Oh, and some personal background... I was born in the prairies at a time when there were very few asians. I moved to Vancouver at the young age of four. From grade 1-7, I was one of only two asians in the entire elementary school. By the time I started grade 8, I was one of only five asians in the entire high school. I did not grow up in Hongcouver.
Interesting!
Here's something I've come across on the internet regarding visible minority immigration to Vancouver:
About seven in 10 visible minorities in Vancouver CMA were born outside Canada. In fact, nearly two-thirds (62.7%) of all visible minorities who were foreign-born came to Vancouver CMA within the last 15 years. About 18.3% of the foreign-born visible minority population arrived in the 1980s, and 13.8% came in the 1970s. Only 5.2% consisted of immigrants who came to Canada in the 1960s or before.
I know that you're a Canadian so you go with what empirical and anecdotal data you have there, so I can't be annoyed or impatient with your giving me those stats.
And yes, I fully understand (and have known, for a very long time) that Vancouver represents a unique microcosm of demographics where Asian men dominate by sheer population density and make the points made in AMR.com seem somewhat obsolete (but imho, not as much as you like to make it appear).
But the United States is the dominant and representative cultural sphere on this continent, and as you state below you import and consume much of our (pop) culture. From a statistical point of view, the demographic trends of a mere 31 million people cannot overshadow that of a 305 million monolith to the south.
AM Revolutions
12-07-2009, 03:46 AM
Had to split it into two parts, sorry Bob. This is one big-ass exchange between us.
Again, you failed to provide the link earlier so I couldn't check out your website "again." And I provided examples of statements on your site I found insulting earlier in my post.
And again your verdict was made with a clear personal prejudice. But you're just one Canadian man from the prairies, and your disapproval does not dismantle or neutralize our objectives and plans. To each his own.
We were talking about the suitability of asian males as potential mates for white females weren't we?
I have repeatedly stated this to other posters and I will do it again for you: no.
Look at our website and this thread. Do you see any endorsement of the superiority of the white female, or her instrumental place in the self-actualization and success of the Asian man and this "revolution"? My god.
Well, you kinda took my comments out of context. The first statement you quoted was in reference to Asians in all media (i.e., movies, tv, magazines, etc.). Hey, those of us in America's hat watch American TV on NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc. too! The second statement was specifically in response to news media as you were going on about the lack of asian news anchors. I don't have access to your local news media therefore I can't speak for the US but I do think Asians are adequately represented in Canadian news media.
Again - the "Vancouver/Canada is fine so y'all Asian Yanks need to shut yer traps" argument. Invalid.
Some context for you, again because you're new. SW used to have a section called Political Poo. In that forum, people discussed race, religion, politics, etc. You'll notice that that forum is nowhere to be found. That's because threads would often get so heated and personal that they would have to be locked. In the end, the entire forum was removed. Every now and then a hot button topic will pop up in lounge. You'll notice there's currently a thread on the first page of The Lounge forum that is locked.
Thanks for the heads up.
I have not read the "honor killings" in the Islamic world thread because it was not a thread I was interested in reading. It is not my duty to read every thread on SW. On the other hand, you piqued my interest with your thread. Hey, it's all a matter of perception. You were able to capture an audience. You just weren't able to deliver.
Capturing an audience is easy, but as you've pointed out converting them ups the ante by a few factors. It's crazy to expect a 100% conversion rate (whether you're hitting on women or making a sale or hustling a dope for his money in a titty bar), but you go ahead and do it anyway. A couple of people here agreed with me, and unfortunately we never heard the opinions of some, thanks to the fascistic reaction of some vocal people on this thread, but I think that's good enough.
Campaigning for any cause is a numbers game, and there's a big world out there to convince, I don't think a forum for strippers is the be-all, end all of things. That said, it's educational and necessary to hear some rebuttals from people.. if you surround yourself with only affirmation how the hell would you know if you're off-course? It's all good. 8)
AM Revolutions
12-07-2009, 05:15 AM
Yeah...I'm not so sure about that website. It had nothing but negative things to say about interracial relationships involving Asian women, but the "Asian men and interracial relationships" sections it just a bunch of glowing, happy pictures of Asian men with white/black/Latina partners.
^ Haha. There is no end to human laziness and snap-decision/judgments. It's part of human nature, and I've done it in the past and still catch myself doing it from time to time.
So I'd like to take this opportunity to remind you that we also include "glowing" images of Asian men with Asian women together. ;D
http://asianmalerevolutions.com/reinvent/ii-the-asian-man-and-asian-woman/ (section is incomplete as of yet)
And why do we exclude images of Asian women with white men?
Because within the specific context of describing, analyzing, and exposing a Media Bias in the depiction of Asian men and women (which you call "nothing but negative things to say"), there is no need to show images of Asian woman/white man couples.
All you have to do is go to your local movie theater, turn on HBO/network TV, grab the latest issue of PEOPLE/Cosmo/Elle, or browse celebritiy gossip blogs. The Asian woman/white man couple is absolutely omnipotent (in both media and in society), and American society is saturated to the gills with such images.
I'd also appreciate it if would take the time to look at the site in more detail.
But I won't be bent out of shape if you refuse to (out of either spite or apathy - doesn't matter), because as I've always said we leave it up to the reader/viewer to make an informed/intelligent decision - or in contrast, a poorly informed/misinformed/ignorant decision.
That crucial factor - choice - was, is, and will always be there. We never force our views on anybody.
AM Revolutions
12-07-2009, 07:19 PM
Thanks for those pics. The media definatly controls what people perceive to be attractive.
You're welcome, and right on! :)
As a brunette I could start a thread like this on a men's forum bringing up how almost every leading lady in Hollywood films is blonde or a redhead.
Couldn't agree more.
Also, I could bring up how the media often portrays latina women as being low class, sluts, troubled, or impoverished.
Amen, and it doesn't end there! The portrayals of black women, black men, Arab-Americans, gays, lesbians, transgenders... basically, anyone who does not fit the 'WASP' category gets skewered here and there - but some more than others, because the movie and advertising studio executives and "pseudo-white liberals" have decided that certain people are "more equal" than others. :-X
I have been attracted to asian men before and dated a guy from Bali for a few months but it didnt really work out. He was a great guy thoiugh and I would definatly date an asian guy again.
I dont believe the whole "small dick" thing either. I believe the smallest one I ever encountered was on an Irish guy. lol.
Bless you for being an open-minded human being. 8)
i dont have time to read the whole thread now, but I certainly plan on reading it later.
I appreciate that!