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Earl_the_Pearl
12-16-2009, 12:34 AM
I think this needs further study. I think it is imperative that we enlist lingerie-clad Jessica Alba and Miranda Kerr to alternate turns sticking a strap-on up my butt. Afterwards I will report on the level of "gayness."

Dildo noun; An artificial phallus (penis), particularly for sexual uses, that may or may not appear realistic.

Now look deep into your heart and tell us, is this what Jessica and Miranda want or is it something you long for; a dildo is nice but there is no substitute for the real thing.

kittygirl
12-16-2009, 12:43 AM
Don't forget that in this sense it's not just a dildo, but stapped on to the female body using a harness to mimic the anatomical placement of a penis. Just for prostate massage??? That's so intricate.

A dildo is a a lot different.

Dirty Ernie
12-16-2009, 12:44 AM
^LOL 'stat

I, personally would never ask a woman to do that. However I have known two women who, if they had asked me, I very likely would have said yes. Just the level of trust and lust we had reached.

Having said that, the thought just came into my mind that if they had wanted to watch me simulate oral on a strap-on, that would have been a big, immediate "Oh Hellz No!".

I find that dichotomy a little odd now that I think about it but I ain't changing my mind! ;D

mortalman
12-16-2009, 04:41 AM
If a lesbian woman straps on and does another lesbian woman vaginally does that make the second woman a little bit "straight"?

Athenathefabulous
12-16-2009, 07:48 AM
^^ I think that pretty much sums up how ridiculous this arguement is.

Delilah27
12-16-2009, 09:34 AM
I love doing my man with a strap on...for some reason I like watching him gag on it...

He does it more for my pleasure than his though...He's the opposite of gay even though I wish one day I can turn him to the bi side...

charlie61
12-16-2009, 09:37 AM
If a lesbian woman straps on and does another lesbian woman vaginally does that make the second woman a little bit "straight"?

Your point is super interesting... This whole thread implies the 'one drop rule' for gay blood. If you like 'gay activities' even a LITTLE bit...you must be gay. Yet if you're already gay, then the 'one drop of straight blood' rule doesn't apply. You're tainted, and therefore still gay.

charlie61
12-16-2009, 09:37 AM
I love doing my man with a strap on...for some reason I like watching him gag on it...

He does it more for my pleasure than his though...He's the opposite of gay even though I wish one day I can turn him to the bi side...

That is soooo sexy. }:D

Pretty_Penny
12-16-2009, 09:41 AM
I love doing my man with a strap on...for some reason I like watching him gag on it...

He does it more for my pleasure than his though...He's the opposite of gay even though I wish one day I can turn him to the bi side...

I say me and my bf come over and hide in your bedroom closet. Then you blindfold your bf and start doing the strap on deal... at which point which switch my boyfriend in for the strap on.

I mean, you could sub any other guy for my bf I guess, but I'm just trying to be helpful. I'm a humanitarian.


:P

*runs away*

charlie61
12-16-2009, 09:42 AM
I haz bisexual man fetish.

jack0177057
12-16-2009, 12:19 PM
I think - first of all, you have to answer this question: are people born straight/gay/bi (and stay that way) or can they become straight/gay/bi?

I used to think that people were born a certain way and cannot change. If this is your assumption, then the born-straight guy can play around with strap-ons and have his prostrate massaged until he is blue in the face, and he will always be "straight".

However, my current theory, based on the stories of gay and bi people I know, is that nearly anyone can become gay or at least bi (if not romantically, then at least sexually). I knew one guy in college who started out "straight", but was talked into letting a gay guy give him a blowjob. After several more blowjobs, he returned the favor and joined the other team.

This second theory (that straight people can become gay or bi) is also supported by examining ancient civilizations were "gay" activities were socially acceptable and became prevalent, e.g. ancient Greece (sexual relationships between adult men and their young male proteges were very common). Even a few generations ago, it was customary in England for boys to help each other out by performing mutual masturbation. Prison is another example - taking it in the butt is weak and shameful, but giving it to another inmate in the butt is socially acceptable - Tony Soprano said you get a "pass" for that.

So, based on this second theory, that you can change teams mid game (or play on both teams), I think there is a "slippery slope" (no pun intended; forgive the mixing of metaphors) with regards to being too "open minded" and experimenting with "gay" activities. If the guy is really open minded, what is the differences between a strap-on and a real dick in his butt? A really "open minded" person would only care about which one feels a little better. The only factor which prevents a strictly pleasure-based decision is social programming, which can be overcome by an "open mind".

I've never shoved anything up my butt out of the fear that I may like it.

charlie61
12-16-2009, 12:31 PM
^ A slippery slope for human sexuality??? Really?

Why all of a sudden are you talking about being gay as a bad thing (the 'slippery slope' theory is usually used in reference to drug use, etc.)? And anyway, having things shoved up your butt does NOT make you gay. Where did you get that idea?

I'm gonna go study for finals now.

sexystephani
12-16-2009, 12:34 PM
I really dont know my ex was into ths but m 100% sure he isnt gay he just liked that. Was I comfortable with it not really but thats my on hangup not his.

jack0177057
12-16-2009, 12:55 PM
^ A slippery slope for human sexuality??? Really?

Why all of a sudden are you talking about being gay as a bad thing (the 'slippery slope' theory is usually used in reference to drug use, etc.)?

I don't think it's bad to be gay or bi, but it would be inconvenient for me for two reasons: (1) there is a social cost attached to this lifestyle, and (2) it's hard enough being faithful to my GF when I am only interested in the female gender. If I'm into women and men, then temptation and my chances of infidelity double.


And anyway, having things shoved up your butt does NOT make you gay.

But, suppose a guy enjoys it and then wants to try a huge dildo,... after that, it will be a strap-on..., and thus, the slippery slope.

charlie61
12-16-2009, 01:41 PM
That's like saying stripping is a slippery slope to prostitution. Marijuana is a slippery slope to hard drugs. Etc. Etc.

I've never heard of anyone going gay just b/c they like dildo play. If you're with a girl, you're with a girl. If you start desiring men, that's a whole different issue.

firemaiden04
12-16-2009, 02:28 PM
Yeah, Jack0177057, I don't know what people you've talked to, but none of my gay/lesbian friends are like, "Oh, I used to be straight, but one night this wicked hot guy/girl made out with me, and we fucked around, and then suddenly, presto-chango, I was gay!" It's more like, "I tried to be into the opposite sex, but I always kind of knew I was gay." Or, "I was in the closet for years, I was just afraid to admit it to myself."

princessjas
12-16-2009, 02:35 PM
^^Yeah, almost every gay person I've ever known has said they knew from a early age. Some have mentioned they knew back in grade school!

charlie61
12-16-2009, 02:59 PM
A great (though somewhat dated) book for more information about bisexuality and its relationship to being gay/straight is called Dual Attraction by Weinberg, Williams, and Pryor. Has some really interesting statistics and whatnot.

jack0177057
12-16-2009, 05:03 PM
Yeah, Jack0177057, I don't know what people you've talked to, but none of my gay/lesbian friends are like, "Oh, I used to be straight, but one night this wicked hot guy/girl made out with me, and we fucked around, and then suddenly, presto-chango, I was gay!" It's more like, "I tried to be into the opposite sex, but I always kind of knew I was gay." Or, "I was in the closet for years, I was just afraid to admit it to myself."

Okay, yeah I think true "gayness" (both romantic and sexual attraction to the same sex) is something you're either born with or not.

But, bisexuality is something you experiment with and become. I've heard that about 75% women have had some same-sex sexual activity. Yeah, you can get into some silly debates like - well one same-sex kiss does not make a person bisexual, but five (or any other random number) does. Does only one incident of same-sex oral sex make one a bisexual or is there a magic number?

Again, I use the example of ancient Greece and prison inmates. From what I learned in my philosophy classes (Plato and Socrates discuss homosexual conduct like it is as normal as drinking water) - it was very normal and common practice for middle class adult "straight" men to have sex with their young male proteges in Ancient Greece. And Alexander the Great encouraged his soldiers to engage in homosexual sex because he thought it would make the bonds between them stronger. He also wanted them to marry women of the conquered lands to create a bond with those people.

If you are a "straight" guy in jail and penetrate a man and orgasm from it, I think that makes you a bisexual. But someone will debate this and say - no, because he was pretending the dude was a chick. But, say what you want - the guy is doing other dudes for fun.

Now, the guy that loves his gf or wife to put on a strap-on and do him like a girl - Kittygirl said it best:


Don't forget that in this sense it's not just a dildo, but stapped on to the female body using a harness to mimic the anatomical placement of a penis. Just for prostate massage??? That's so intricate.

The only thing holding him back from experimenting full-on with the "dark pleasures" of man-on-man sex is: (a) his loyalty to his gf/wife, and (b) social programming. But, he is open minded enough to try the strap-on sex, so he is already digressing from social programing. Bisexuality is not that far off.

After he breaks up with his gf/wife, and he feels the craving for strap-on sex, is it easier to: (a) pick up a girl at a bar, bring her home and ask her for strap-on sex - and risk her being totally grossed out with him and calling him queer? or (b) go to a gay bar and pick up a gay dude? Maybe he will pick up the gay dude and "pretend" he is really a hot chick with a strap-on.

princessjas
12-16-2009, 06:20 PM
Okay, yeah I think true "gayness" (both romantic and sexual attraction to the same sex) is something you're either born with or not.

But, bisexuality is something you experiment with and become.

Ok, I don't think this is true AT ALL. I think as people age they just become more honest with themselves about many things, including their true sexual orientation. My first crushes back in early grade school were on both girls and boys. I've consistently had an interest in women throughout my life, it didn't just develop suddenly from being exposed to naked girls or whatnot. I HAVE however become more honest with myself about who I am. I was raised in an intolerant household and my parents constantly suggested I was gay in scathing tones. So of course, I balked at being called bisexual when I was younger. Now though, that is exactly what I consider myself.

jack0177057
12-16-2009, 08:02 PM
^^^ Okay, so some people are born bisexual or become bisexual at a very early age, but does that mean that people born "straight" cannot become bi through experimentation?

Do you really believe that all the thugs in prison, who are now having sex with men, were born bisexual?

Have you never kissed a "straight" girl? Don't you think that a "straight" girl, who is willing to experiment a little, could discover the pleasure of you touching her "the way only another women knows".

I like to think all women are, at least potentially, bi-sexual. Maybe it's just my male fantasy.

Trem
12-16-2009, 09:18 PM
Do you really believe that all the thugs in prison, who are now having sex with men, were born bisexual?


That's a very good question. There's also straight porn actors who will do gay porn because it pays a shit ton more. Both of those cases are born out of necessity rather than preference, there is a difference between someone who just plain likes having sex with both men and women and someone who does it because there is literally no other options or because they can tolerate it for a whole lot of cash. I don't think its a case of someone "learning" to be bisexual so much as learning to tolerate it.

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 10:03 AM
^^^ Necessity? If a guy gets off (i.e., erection and orgasm) having sex with another guy, he is either gay or bi - end of story. There can be a hundred excuses for it - money, promotion, incarceration, three months on a boat with no women, etc... These are just ways to get around the social programming that stigmatizes homosexuality. (On the other hand, if a "straight" porn actor participates in gay sex for money, but does have an orgasm or even get an erection, then I grant you the point that he is not really gay or bi.)

Regarding prison - most guys outside prison, if they cannot get laid by a girl - either because they have no social skills or are ugly as shit - would resort to masturbation and would never consider turning to man ass. The difference is that in prison everybody does it and it becomes normal and socially acceptable. (Being on the receiving end might be shameful, but using a dude ass, is perfectly acceptable in prison.) Again, I cite Tony Soprano, who said - "You get a pass for that." "Necessity" is just the pretext that allows prison inmates to resort to a "queer" act and turn it into a socially acceptable practice. Because you get that "pass", you can have all the homosexual sex you want without any of the stigma.

Again, most "straight" guys outside prison who can't score with a woman would rather jerk off a million times, than resort to man ass,... unless they live somewhere where this practice is common and socially acceptable, like San Francisco.

nicole84
12-17-2009, 10:09 AM
^^^ Necessity? If a guy gets off (i.e., erection and orgasm) having sex with another guy, he is either gay or bi - end of story. .

So if a lesbian woman gets raped by a guy and happens to get off (yes, sometimes women have been known to get off during rape. not because they like it) then she must be bi or latently straight?

Hell, people can get off from all sorts of things, even things that in their heads are disgusting. Sometimes the body's reaction is simply that, a reaction, and not an indication of something else.

Some of the so called "logic" being espoused on here amazes me.

Trem
12-17-2009, 10:45 AM
^^^ Necessity? If a guy gets off (i.e., erection and orgasm) having sex with another guy, he is either gay or bi - end of story.

You can get an erection and have an orgasm doing practically anything. given enough porn i could hump the shit out of a pillow until i came. That doesn't make me a pillowphiliac because i'm not actually ATTRACTED to pillows, i just happened to use one to get off.




Again, most "straight" guys outside prison who can't score with a woman would rather jerk off a million times, than resort to man ass,... unless they live somewhere where this practice is common and socially acceptable, like San Francisco.

That is also true for most guys INSIDE of prison, its not a giant gay fuck orgy in there no matter what TV shows tell you.

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 12:01 PM
You can get an erection and have an orgasm doing practically anything.

I am probably the horniest man on Earth, but I don't go around fucking inanimate objects. If I don't have a willing female to play with me, I masturbate. I have heard of guys using inanimate objects and little dogs, but I thought those were just urban legends.


given enough porn i could hump the shit out of a pillow until i came. That doesn't make me a pillowphiliac because i'm not actually ATTRACTED to pillows, i just happened to use one to get off.

If you make it a habit of humping the shit out of a pillow, I'd say you do have a thing for pillows - not that you want to buy a ring for a pillow, but that you really like getting off with one.

We're talking about sex, not attraction. I've had sex with a few women that I was not attracted to - its not a requirement.

This "attraction" factor is just another technicality to avoid the stigma of homosexuality. It allows a "straight" guy to experiment with homosexuality, but as long as he is not "attracted" to other men, he can claim to be "straight".

Would buy this line - "I'm not gay, I just use gay guys to get me off, but I'm not attracted to them." or "I'm not gay, but I prefer blowjobs from gay guys because they understand the equipment better, but I'm not attracted to them."


That is also true for most guys INSIDE of prison, its not a giant gay fuck orgy in there no matter what TV shows tell you.

I've never been in prison, but I've talked to people who have, and they say it is very much like that when the lights go out.

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 12:51 PM
So if a lesbian woman gets raped by a guy and happens to get off (yes, sometimes women have been known to get off during rape. not because they like it) then she must be bi or latently straight?

I'm not a doctor, so I don't understand this phenomenon. But, I know that every time I've gotten off, I was doing something very pleasurable to me - even if I was not attracted to the girl I was with and regretted it later.


Hell, people can get off from all sorts of things, even things that in their heads are disgusting.

Those "disgusting" things in your head are fantasies and fetishes. You do not need to feel ashamed of them. For example, rape fantasies are very common and it does not mean that you really want to be raped.

firemaiden04
12-17-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm not a doctor, so I don't understand this phenomenon. But, I know that every time I've gotten off, I was doing something very pleasurable to me - even if I was not attracted to the girl I was with and regretted it later.

WHOA. Dude, think about what you just said. I'm sure you don't really mean that women who experience an orgasm during rape actually are attracted to their rapists and are thoroughly enjoying the experience. Because that's fucking bullshit.

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 02:38 PM
^^^ No, of course I didn't say that.

I said that I'm not a doctor, and therefore, I don't know why it happens (i.e., why a woman would orgasm during brutal victimization). I'm sure there is a medical explanation for that. Maybe the intense panic and trauma causes wires to cross. It's a very extreme situation, so the response is not normal.

In normal mode, you orgasm when you are experiencing something pleasurable, it doesn't just happen by accident.

bluelight
12-17-2009, 03:21 PM
I've never shoved anything up my butt out of the fear that I may like it.

This. is. gold.

charlie61
12-17-2009, 04:56 PM
^^^ Necessity? If a guy gets off (i.e., erection and orgasm) having sex with another guy, he is either gay or bi - end of story. There can be a hundred excuses for it - money, promotion, incarceration, three months on a boat with no women, etc... These are just ways to get around the social programming that stigmatizes homosexuality. (On the other hand, if a "straight" porn actor participates in gay sex for money, but does have an orgasm or even get an erection, then I grant you the point that he is not really gay or bi.)

Regarding prison - most guys outside prison, if they cannot get laid by a girl - either because they have no social skills or are ugly as shit - would resort to masturbation and would never consider turning to man ass. The difference is that in prison everybody does it and it becomes normal and socially acceptable. (Being on the receiving end might be shameful, but using a dude ass, is perfectly acceptable in prison.) Again, I cite Tony Soprano, who said - "You get a pass for that." "Necessity" is just the pretext that allows prison inmates to resort to a "queer" act and turn it into a socially acceptable practice. Because you get that "pass", you can have all the homosexual sex you want without any of the stigma.

Again, most "straight" guys outside prison who can't score with a woman would rather jerk off a million times, than resort to man ass,... unless they live somewhere where this practice is common and socially acceptable, like San Francisco.

Your theory doesn't allow for any personality development. What if (as is EXTREMELY common), a guy fools around with another guy at a younger age as part of self exploration? Does that make him gay/bi? The vast majority of guys I've met have had experiences like this (and many of them had repressed these experiences). And that's just one example! Don't people change?

Why are you assuming people are stagnant forms instead of developing minds?

charlie61
12-17-2009, 04:59 PM
I think you need to learn to adopt a more fluid view of sexuality, Jacko. Especially if you personally have no experience with how easily it can change. As you said, you aren't a doctor and so can't explain why some women come during rape; similarly, you are too sexually rigid to make judgments for other people.

lestat1
12-17-2009, 05:33 PM
The way this thread is heading it seems all men on the planet are now gay because they use a man's hand to masturbate!

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 06:21 PM
Your theory doesn't allow for any personality development. What if (as is EXTREMELY common), a guy fools around with another guy at a younger age as part of self exploration? Does that make him gay/bi? The vast majority of guys I've met have had experiences like this (and many of them had repressed these experiences). And that's just one example! Don't people change?

Why are you assuming people are stagnant forms instead of developing minds?

To the contrary, my theory is that most "straight" people are or can become bi-sexual. I don't understand why this ruffles so many feathers unless these people consider bi-sexuality an evil or sickness. And bi-sexuality doesn't mean you are having sex with both genders all the time. If a guy like girls, but enjoyed having sex with a guy one time, I think he's bi.

Also, I am using "bi" broadly to mean that you can get off with either male or female. I'm not talking about romantic interest. A guy who is married to a woman and loves her exclusively, but has sex with guys on the side is "bi", even if he has no attraction whatsoever for the guys and does it purely to get off sexually.

Back to the OP - If a guy get's off with a girl + strap on, chances are he will also get off with a dude, they are functionally equivalent. I agree with Djoser and Pretty Penny:


While I wouldn't quite call a guy who wants to get fucked up the ass doggy style with a 10" dildo gay, if he wants a girl to do it, I would bet he'd be a lot more inclined to try a guy if he hit a lonely spell, lol. But so what?


I say me and my bf come over and hide in your bedroom closet. Then you blindfold your bf and start doing the strap on deal... at which point which switch my boyfriend in for the strap on.

mortalman
12-17-2009, 07:18 PM
You can get an erection and have an orgasm doing practically anything. given enough porn i could hump the shit out of a pillow until i came. That doesn't make me a pillowphiliac because i'm not actually ATTRACTED to pillows, i just happened to use one to get off.

Oh wow!! I have this overstuffed red satin pillow that I put on my bed ... strap a dildo on it ... and then fuck myself in the ass with the pillow/dildo. :lovestruc Sometimes the other pillows seem jealous, but I don't care ... I luv me some red satin pillow.


Does this make me gay?

charlie61
12-17-2009, 07:23 PM
^ Really? You've never heard of guys fucking pillows as a form of masturbation?

Have you people been living under rocks since the dawn of the 21st century???

mortalman
12-17-2009, 07:51 PM
^ Really? You've never heard of guys fucking pillows as a form of masturbation?

Have you people been living under rocks since the dawn of the 21st century???

Was this pointing at me?

Uh, yes I've heard of that. Young men an boys will rub themselves up against pretty much anything that feels good, including other young men and boys (Gasp) (Doesn't necessarily make them gay or bi by the way IMO ) Yes that was common knowledge even when I was young long long ago.

I was simply making an apparently unclear joke about the whole does a strap on make guys gay thing. Which by the way I don't think it does. On the other hand; houseplants, Streisand tunes, and antiquing ... so gay. ;)

mortalman
12-17-2009, 08:07 PM
Back to the OP - If a guy get's off with a girl + strap on, chances are he will also get off with a dude, they are functionally equivalent. I agree with Djoser and Pretty Penny:

Ok, so I'm trying to understand ... is it just the shape and appearance of the dildo that makes the guy gay? Is it because it is strapped onto the woman in the traditional male penis area?

What if the woman just uses the dildo by hand and doesn't "strap" hmmm

What about a woman's fingers, fists or feet and/or toes ... are they ok?

What if a more manly implement like the handle of a screw driver or a maglight flashlight? Stick shift handle of a 67 GTO?

lestat1
12-17-2009, 08:34 PM
Wait, what's the ruling on two guys using fake vagina sex toys with each other? I'd actually go with kinda gay there, but it sounds like it's totally straight? :D

mortalman
12-17-2009, 08:37 PM
Wait, what's the ruling on two guys using fake vagina sex toys with each other? I'd actually go with kinda gay there, but it sounds like it's totally straight? :D

LOL ... It's ok as long as they don't make eye contact



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J.D.
12-17-2009, 08:40 PM
Mortalman, I think I love you. Your sarcasm rivals mine.

jack0177057
12-17-2009, 08:48 PM
Ok, so I'm trying to understand ... is it just the shape and appearance of the dildo that makes the guy gay? Is it because it is strapped onto the woman in the traditional male penis area?

What if the woman just uses the dildo by hand and doesn't "strap" hmmm

What about a woman's fingers, fists or feet and/or toes ... are they ok?

What if a more manly implement like the handle of a screw driver or a maglight flashlight? Stick shift handle of a 67 GTO?

Okay, here's the Pretty Penny test:


I say me and my bf come over and hide in your bedroom closet. Then you blindfold your bf and start doing the strap on deal... at which point which switch my boyfriend in for the strap on.

If in the dark, you can replace the dildo, strap-on,... whatever,... for a real dude, without noticing the difference,... and you get off,... I say you're potentially gay or bi...

There is too much obsession with the question - Does that make me/him gay? -- Maybe not gay, but it does make you/him potentially bi.

I think we've beaten this thing to death, so I'll end my comments here.

mortalman
12-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Mortalman, I think I love you. Your sarcasm rivals mine.

A beautiful woman has fallen in love with me in the strap on thread :O

Wait a sec ... uhhh ... thanks???



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mortalman
12-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Okay, here's the Pretty Penny test:



If in the dark, you can replace the dildo, strap-on,... whatever,... for a real dude, without noticing the difference,... and you get off,... I say you're potentially gay or bi...

There is too much obsession with the question - Does that make me/him gay? -- Maybe not gay, but it does make you/him potentially bi.

I think we've beaten this thing to death, so I'll end my comments here.

No we must continue:

If you replace the dildo with a man and notice the difference but still enjoy it then I would agree that the subject may in fact be classified as gay or bisexual.

However:
If the subject does not notice the difference (between a dildo and actual real human penis) he may be a total idiot or unconscious. We would need additional data to determine his sexual preference.



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J.D.
12-17-2009, 09:49 PM
I would rather a guy give me a blow job while I am wearing a strap on than fuck him up the ass.

Pretty_Penny
12-18-2009, 12:20 AM
Um, what I said had nothing to do with me saying it was the same thing at all.

bluelight
12-18-2009, 03:02 AM
The way this thread is heading it seems all men on the planet are now gay because they use a man's hand to masturbate!

lmao ;D

Djoser
12-18-2009, 03:24 AM
I'm not going to judge a guy who wants to get fucked with a strapon one way or another, but if a woman came near me with one of those, I'd be telling her to get it the hell away from me.

It's a woman assuming the male anatomy and posture when fucking, which I am not ashamed to say grosses me the fuck out if I think about someone trying to do it to me.

I don't know for sure, but I would be willing to bet there are very few straight men who would want to get fucked that way. Again, doesn't mean a guy who does is gay. Of course a gay man would probably have no interest whatsoever in a woman with a strapon, either. So what does that tell us?

;D

charlie61
12-18-2009, 03:29 AM
^ Wrong! It's relatively common for open-minded straight men to enjoy prostate play. Check out the Bend Over Boyfriend phenomenon.

Djoser
12-18-2009, 03:33 AM
It's not the prostrate massage that's gross at all! It's the woman assuming the anatomy and posture of the guy fucking that's the real turnoff. Big difference to me, and I suspect most other men.