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Will
01-03-2010, 07:44 AM
Im surprised no one quoted SATC...

i dont remember it exactly but it went that good looking people were never good in bed because they never HAD to be.

Which was more or less my thoughts/experiences also.

DesuvsDeath
01-03-2010, 08:58 AM
Iunno. It seems to be pretty random.
I can't find any direct relationship between how attractive people are and how good they are in bed.

WiseGuy_TX
01-03-2010, 11:03 AM
they never developed the need to be particularly good in bed.


the type that are so good looking that even in sweat pants, baseball cap, and no makeup, people stare, cars honk horns, dogs bark, etc, is tiring. ....and the amount of crap they put up with was just amazing.


Being good at sex, just like anything else in life, is all about practice, practice, practice....yes, but are they capable of learning to get better at it.


I dated this gal Laura years ago. We literally couldn't go anywhere without my almost getting into fights (and I am NOT a tough guy or fight starter type...), every job she had her bosses (male and female!) wold hit on her to the point she would have to quit, she couldn't go to the gym without every moron making comments, etc, she had stalkers, she would show at my my place in tears.

This will sound really strange, but her looks pretty much killed our relationship and she didn't have the personality to match her looks, and literally was a prisoner in her own house.

It's interesting, but ultra good looking women have to develop a thick skin, or some seem to be driven almost mad by it.


the knockout '10' types have had trouble dealing with all the endless attention they have gotten all their lives, in one way or another.


Chemistry is where it's at....yes, even with the emotionally troubled there has to be a special connection.


Which was more or less my thoughts/experiences also....Will, i would have to disagree that its not just about having to develop a need to screw well. A few things, first, what we dont know is if there is a history of abuse of a particular person (sexual, physical, or emotional) adding to the problem. I'm not saying there is a higher degree of abuse associated with 10's, just saying we dont know a persons history. Second, related to the quoted posts, all the attention growing up can create boundary problems or disassociation with people.

Qi
01-03-2010, 11:11 AM
Maybe they're the worst in the sack (to you) because you've never been able to turn one on. ::)

Will
01-03-2010, 11:39 AM
...Will, i would have to disagree that its not just about having to develop a need to screw well. A few things, first, what we dont know is if there is a history of abuse of a particular person (sexual, physical, or emotional) adding to the problem. I'm not saying there is a higher degree of abuse associated with 10's, just saying we dont know a persons history. Second, related to the quoted posts, all the attention growing up can create boundary problems or disassociation with people.

Obviously, this was all fun conjecture, looking at general trends, not meant to be narrowed down to specific people/examples. You may be totally correct there. If data sets get large enough, even the above can be accounted for, or at least added into it as a possible explanation. I don't doubt at all that's the "issue" for some, not for others, etc, or, it may also be I'm just throwing out a WAG and interested to see if others have has similar impressions. :P

Will
01-03-2010, 11:40 AM
Maybe they're the worst in the sack (to you) because you've never been able to turn one on. ::)

Gee, I never would have seen THAT one coming...::)

You Know Me
01-03-2010, 12:43 PM
Sex is what you make it. If she is having sex with you then you did something right in the beginning. I always stay in control. Its always good if you see the satisfied smile on her face after its over. To me sex is only bad if she doesnt ask for it again!!!

Qi
01-03-2010, 12:44 PM
Gee, I never would have seen THAT one coming...::)

;D Hehehe, I try.

Will
01-03-2010, 12:57 PM
;D Hehehe, I try.

Meanie head. }:D

FBR
01-03-2010, 06:20 PM
Have you ever noticed that? The best looking people are often the worst lovers. ....


The 10s I have been with......

I am not good looking enough to get a 10. Glad that you are a higher achiever. I am more along the lines of a 5 or 6. Sucks to be me.

FBR

Jessie_tinydancer
01-03-2010, 06:34 PM
I'm sure I read it already but now too lazy to go back and quote (haha what does that say about how I'd be in bed..lazy?). Anyways it's all about chemistry. I can have amazing chemistry with a 6 or a 10 or shit chemistry with a 6 or a 10. Chemistry is not something you can feel by just looking at someone. It's how the two of you interact together. Maybe the 10s weren't that into you and just didn't put in the effort hehe :P

I have 3 very regular partners who I'd rate in the 8-10 range. 2 guys and 1 girl. Probably all of my top 10 best romps have happened with one of these 3, but probably some of the worst 10 romps too. Sometimes all the worlds align and you just have freaking awesome sex and sometimes you just have crappy sex cause your head or heart or both wasn't in it.

Vyanka
01-03-2010, 06:36 PM
Iv experience the opposite with guys, the 10s Iv had were awesome.

Me too. }:D

Vyanka
01-03-2010, 06:47 PM
Maybe they're the worst in the sack (to you) because you've never been able to turn one on. ::)


I've thought of that, but didn't want to sound rude. I've been with a guy who I thought had a cute face, but when he took his clothes off I just laid there like a dead fish. LOL. And I love to have sex & if i'm turned on by someone...he is gonna get fucked good.

nicole84
01-03-2010, 08:55 PM
I'd agree....its chemistry. I've had great sex with 9-10s and crappy sex with 9-10s.

i do agree though that some uber hot folks do think they dont have to do anything. i have been with and had friends who have been with those types. it sucks. they are like dead fish, and nothing kills the mood like having a partner that just lays there.

Will
01-04-2010, 07:47 AM
I am not good looking enough to get a 10. Glad that you are a higher achiever. I am more along the lines of a 5 or 6. Sucks to be me.

FBR

You seen my avatar?! Johnny Depp I am not....Bless female kind, you can be OK looking, but have a good sense of humor, a brain in your head, a few $$$ in your pocket, and know what you are doing in bed (and woman talk....) and a less then Johnny Dep looking dude can end up with some very good looking women.

I recall a story. There was a trainer in my gym. He was to all the women in the gym a 10. I had a training business, and my female clients would swoon over him. They would ask me to introduce them. The minute he opened his mouth, they lost interest. I would say afterward "I told you so!" to the clients. This guy really had the personality of a dead fish.

My GFs were always far better looking then his, and I had more of them too. He would ask "how the hell do you do that?" And I knew he was leaving off what he was thinking which was really "how the hell do you do that, being you are not bad looking but I am way better looking then you."

I would just shrug, because I knew nothing I could say like "If you stopped talking about yourself for 1 minute, stopped looking at yourself in the mirror, developed a sense of humor and a brain, you might do a lot better"

His Ex wife also told me he sucked in bed too...shocking...

Just sayin....:O

totalroyalty
01-07-2010, 10:27 AM
The rating system is morally degrading, wouldn't you say? You can't use numbers to describe the type of appeal someone has. Attractiveness shouldn't be quantitative, because then people just strive for our society's narrow ideals of perfection that aren't perfect, they're merely specific.

KS_Stevia
01-07-2010, 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by Will
the type that are so good looking that even in sweat pants, baseball cap, and no makeup, people stare, cars honk horns, dogs bark, etc, is tiring. ....and the amount of crap they put up with was just amazing.
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Originally Posted by Will
I dated this gal Laura years ago. We literally couldn't go anywhere without my almost getting into fights (and I am NOT a tough guy or fight starter type...), every job she had her bosses (male and female!) wold hit on her to the point she would have to quit, she couldn't go to the gym without every moron making comments, etc, she had stalkers, she would show at my my place in tears.

Dude, I don't think I've even KNOWN anyone that good looking, much less slept with them. :D ::) :-\

Will
01-07-2010, 11:45 AM
Dude, I don't think I've even KNOWN anyone that good looking, much less slept with them. :D ::) :-\

Sorry to hear it? :O

KS_Stevia
01-07-2010, 11:58 AM
Sorry to hear it? :O

No but really, cars honk, dogs bark, they are prisoners in their house? I've had many a horn honk at me walking down the street, but its not that big a deal. I just have trouble that a person is so good looking they cannot leave the house, that's ridiculous, they ought to move to LA or Miami then.

bem401
01-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Since we are talking about rating systems....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz63-K2dV4s

I miss this show.

threlayer
01-07-2010, 05:21 PM
The rating system is morally degrading, wouldn't you say? You can't use numbers to describe the type of appeal someone has. Attractiveness shouldn't be quantitative, because then people just strive for our society's narrow ideals of perfection that aren't perfect, they're merely specific.

Numbers can apply to almost anything, but applying them is pretty objectifying and impersonal. Also the number one places on another may not be the number that another persons gives. Further the uniqueness of one person's looks is nore important than how closely that person looks like some extreme beauty stereotype. It can actually get boring. For example: There are many "beautiful women" who are of no interest to me because they all look so much alike due to makeup and surgery.

Will
01-08-2010, 11:20 AM
There are many "beautiful women" who are of no interest to me because they all look so much alike due to makeup and surgery.

Which is why I was clear in the OP that it's based on my personal scale, ergo, it's very individual. I too often find what's considered beautiful by the current social norms boring as heck, and would step over the naked body of most run way models for women with more curves, meat, unique features, etc. ;)

KS_Stevia
01-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Which is why I was clear in the OP that it's based on my personal scale, ergo, it's very individual. I too often find what's considered beautiful by the current social norms boring as heck, and would step over the naked body of most run way models for women with more curves, meat, unique features, etc. ;)

That's what you say...but then you say these women were so gosh dam beautiful that they couldn't even leave the house in sweats for being assaulted for their perfect beauty. Which means, a heck of a lot of other people must have thought they were 10's, because, from my experience of LIFE, most people out and about mind their own business and don't bug strangers.

So, which is it? Methinks there is some level of exaggeration going on here. Most of us here are or were strippers, we've been surrounded by beautiful women every day. Some of us might even be that beautiful woman.

But I don't know anyone so beautiful they can't leave the house. And if their life is so miserable because people judge them by their looks, then why are they so careless about pleasing their lover, you, in bed?

Meh, I don't even know where I'm going with this. Its like complaining that your waiter throught you your filet mignon in 11 minutes instead of 10.

Will
01-08-2010, 02:59 PM
That's what you say...but then you say these women were so gosh dam beautiful that they couldn't even leave the house in sweats for being assaulted for their perfect beauty.

I believe that was in reference to a specific person, which ( as I think was fairly well explained...) was as much a problem of her personality as it was to her looks. Some handle it much better then others, and some even enjoy I get the impression.


Which means, a heck of a lot of other people must have thought they were 10's, because, from my experience of LIFE, most people out and about mind their own business and don't bug strangers.

What planet would that be? Seems a bunch of gals in this thread have mentioned how they get hassled by every bone head when they go to the gym, or a club, or food shopping etc.


So, which is it?

In the specific examples of this thread, yes, they were a 10 in my eyes and others. However, there are plenty of women I would find a 10, others may not. I don't generally like traditional non athletic women, ergo, thin model types with perfect noses, etc.


Methinks there is some level of exaggeration going on here.

I shall alert the media...


Most of us here are or were strippers, we've been surrounded by beautiful women every day. Some of us might even be that beautiful woman.

Very possible, but in my line of work, I meet some very good looking women myself. I have also noted, some here, both men and women, who seem to have have some similar experiences.


But I don't know anyone so beautiful they can't leave the house. And if their life is so miserable because people judge them by their looks, then why are they so careless about pleasing their lover, you, in bed?

I think you are mixing a bunch of different comments/people/issues here into a single thing.


Meh, I don't even know where I'm going with this. Its like complaining that your waiter throught you your filet mignon in 11 minutes instead of 10.

Errr, OK. /:O

threlayer
01-08-2010, 04:30 PM
... Most of us here are or were strippers, we've been surrounded by beautiful women every day. Some of us might even be that beautiful woman.


I have no doubt that some, even many, of you are. I've seen some pictures, after all. For me, to be all that appealing a certain level of feminine attractiveness is important followed quickly by intellect, curiosity, and some interesting off-work interests. Beauty can only go so far. And it it is of a type of appearance sameness I see in so many women trying for that quality, the frequency of it becomes boring.

Maybe I should hve referenced some celebs to illustrate, but my interest in this topic has waned.

shy1
01-08-2010, 05:50 PM
I would think that some very beautiful people (and I'm including people with tremendous talent, creativity and intellect, because those things can create a "10" with or without stunning looks) have driven themselves to become beautiful due to some sort of insecurities. In these cases it would stand to reason that "10s" would be the best in bed, as they would strive for perfection in everything.

mediocrity
01-08-2010, 05:58 PM
^^ This is my dude. He is a total rock star in bed, but told me he was very awkward in high school; he actually was 5'10" and 98 lbs. He says he looked like DJ Qualls and had no luck with girls.

Now he's a serious hottie, and girls trip on themsleves over him. I posted a picture of him in the significant others thread. No DJ Qualls now! And I agree- the fact that he is mega smart makes him even better looking to me.

Djoser
01-08-2010, 11:24 PM
I have known a few women who basically could not leave the house without getting hit on--and hassled if the guys in the area were rude, which they sure as shit are in many areas of the country (like fucking Daytona ;D).

KS_Stevia
01-09-2010, 07:28 AM
Wow, I guess I'm fucking ugly then. Sure I've been hit on plenty of times and places, but its no more annoying than the PL at the bar who gives you a "holla" at the bar when you walk by, but you don't stop because you know he's a time waster.

I guess I just don't get it. People know how to dress and behave in a way that doesn't attract attention. If I'm wearing sweats, but those sweats are a tight pink Juicy tracksuit..well, I'm not really just wearing sweats am I?

Again, I just cannot look at these people as victims of any kind, women love attention, don't let them fool ya.

Will
01-09-2010, 07:50 AM
women love attention, don't let them fool ya.

Hope you have your flame proof suit on. If I were a woman, that comment would really piss me off. As a man, I'm perplexed to see a woman say it.

Obviously, we have been talking about the type of attention most women do not enjoy.

You may enjoy it I guess. :O

princessjas
01-09-2010, 10:57 AM
^^Hmm, while I'm more in the 6-7 range, I have had plenty of male attention that I did not want or enjoy...and I'm a bit of an exhibitionist and DO enjoy attention for the most part. Being completely realistic, I probably get hit on 9 out of 10 times I go anywhere. Now, I don't EVER dress like a slob, but I'm not slutted up to go to the grocery either. The vast majority of men annoy the crap out of me anymore because they are just freakin relentless, so I imagine the truly beautiful really could get completely fed up with it. :-\ Just my 2 cents.

J.D.
01-09-2010, 11:01 AM
I don't know Will, I'm a woman and I love attention. Remember you are on a stripper forum, most strippers I know are attention whores!

KS_Stevia
01-09-2010, 11:23 AM
Hope you have your flame proof suit on. If I were a woman, that comment would really piss me off. As a man, I'm perplexed to see a woman say it.

Obviously, we have been talking about the type of attention most women do not enjoy.

You may enjoy it I guess. :O

I thought about that comment last night after I already logged off and was in bed. You're right, it does have a flame-bait about it, but I promise it was not intentional.

Yes, it is really annoying when I am walking down the street downtown and a car honks and me and guys holler out of it, its makes me feel unsafe.

And it bugs me when I'm at the convenience store buying smokes and some dude is trying hard to pick me up and take me home.

Or when I'm grocery shopping and I know a dude is following me around the isles.

I guess I don't consider it simply attention....it is HARASSMENT. For some reason, I just can't place my finger on what I want to say in this thread, just can't articulate my point, although I think I have one. :P

Anyway, I've sexed a lot of super hot women, easily 10's by looks, in my life. And I only have fond memories of them being extremely eager to please.

And out of the many, many men my slutty self has banged, the ones I remember as being lazy, weren't the best looking, although they were attractive. But what's a 10 in looks to me in men? That's just harder for me to put my finger on, since my attraction to men is about more than their physical appearance. Whereas with women, I don't consider them for dating.

I guess I just can't relate and should just shut my big ole yapper. :-X:D

Cheers to you my friend. 8)

Will
01-09-2010, 12:51 PM
I don't know Will, I'm a woman and I love attention. Remember you are on a stripper forum, most strippers I know are attention whores!

I'll take your word for it, but are you saying even strippers don't distinguish between the type of attention they enjoy and the types they don't? A guy drives up, roles down his window and yells "you have a great ass you fine ass whore! I'd bang you all day and night!" and that would be enjoyable? I would think most women, even your "attention whores" wouldn't enjoy that, but if you say otherwise, you would know better then I would there.

mediocrity
01-09-2010, 04:14 PM
I'll take your word for it, but are you saying even strippers don't distinguish between the type of attention they enjoy and the types they don't? A guy drives up, roles down his window and yells "you have a great ass you fine ass whore! I'd bang you all day and night!" and that would be enjoyable? I would think most women, even your "attention whores" wouldn't enjoy that, but if you say otherwise, you would know better then I would there.

I once in LV had a guy throw a pretzel from a cab into my open window after I ignored his HEY BABY! HEY MAMA! HEY! SEXY!

I picked up the pretzel off of my lap, smiled at him and ate it.

He shut up after that.

Will
01-09-2010, 04:24 PM
I once in LV had a guy throw a pretzel from a cab into my open window after I ignored his HEY BABY! HEY MAMA! HEY! SEXY!

I picked up the pretzel off of my lap, smiled at him and ate it.

He shut up after that.

I like your style....;)

Djoser
01-09-2010, 04:47 PM
Wow, I guess I'm fucking ugly then. Sure I've been hit on plenty of times and places, but its no more annoying than the PL at the bar who gives you a "holla" at the bar when you walk by, but you don't stop because you know he's a time waster.

I guess I just don't get it. People know how to dress and behave in a way that doesn't attract attention. If I'm wearing sweats, but those sweats are a tight pink Juicy tracksuit..well, I'm not really just wearing sweats am I?

Again, I just cannot look at these people as victims of any kind, women love attention, don't let them fool ya.

You might be getting a lot more attention than you realize (relative to 'ordinary' women), but you have become so accustomed to it that it's not registering. 'You don't stop because he's a time waster.' See what I mean?

The ones who get attention everywhere they go have to let it go in one ear and out the other to some extent, or it would drive them crazy.

I hear you on the tight pink sweatpants thing, though, it's funny how some people dress to be attractive without realizing it.

;D

threlayer
01-09-2010, 08:41 PM
I almost always am a non-confrontational person, only under pretty strenuous frustration or tension will I go off on someone. This has been the case fof all my life. BUT... From what I've seen of guys hitting on unfamiliar women, if I were female I would either have to develop a much thicker skin or I'd be raising my voice a lot during these episodes. SO... I try pretty hard not to be obviously annoying to attractive women, maybe so successful at it that they don't realize my attraction to them at all. Except in strip clubs, where they usually want attention. I am amazed at how tolerant most attractive women I come across are.

Will
01-10-2010, 11:08 AM
I almost always am a non-confrontational person, only under pretty strenuous frustration or tension will I go off on someone. This has been the case fof all my life. BUT... From what I've seen of guys hitting on unfamiliar women, if I were female I would either have to develop a much thicker skin or I'd be raising my voice a lot during these episodes. SO... I try pretty hard not to be obviously annoying to attractive women, maybe so successful at it that they don't realize my attraction to them at all. Except in strip clubs, where they usually want attention. I am amazed at how tolerant most attractive women I come across are.

On the rare occasions I get caught staring, I feel like an idiot. I assume the attention is not wanted (which may or may not be true, but best to take the safe route there...) and know from the look on their face, albeit briefly, they are thinking "oh great, another jerk staring at me" thought, which makes me feel like a tool. I'm sure some enjoy it, some don't, and who i doing the staring and how they are doing it plays a part there...As I often have eclectic taste in women, I may be looking at some one one who does not get stared at all that often, and that's fun too.

Mr Hyde
01-10-2010, 11:12 AM
^^Hmm, while I'm more in the 6-7 range, I have had plenty of male attention that I did not want or enjoy...and I'm a bit of an exhibitionist and DO enjoy attention for the most part. Being completely realistic, I probably get hit on 9 out of 10 times I go anywhere. Now, I don't EVER dress like a slob, but I'm not slutted up to go to the grocery either. The vast majority of men annoy the crap out of me anymore because they are just freakin relentless, so I imagine the truly beautiful really could get completely fed up with it. :-\ Just my 2 cents.

You are not in 6-7 range

Will
01-10-2010, 11:17 AM
^^Hmm, while I'm more in the 6-7 range, I have had plenty of male attention that I did not want or enjoy..

Well I just have the avatar to look at, but I'm giving it a 9.999 }:D


.and I'm a bit of an exhibitionist and DO enjoy attention for the most part. Being completely realistic, I probably get hit on 9 out of 10 times I go anywhere. Now, I don't EVER dress like a slob, but I'm not slutted up to go to the grocery either. The vast majority of men annoy the crap out of me anymore because they are just freakin relentless, so I imagine the truly beautiful really could get completely fed up with it. :-\ Just my 2 cents.

Well said. ;)

Will
01-10-2010, 11:22 AM
I thought about that comment last night after I already logged off and was in bed. You're right, it does have a flame-bait about it, but I promise it was not intentional.

Understood!


I guess I don't consider it simply attention....it is HARASSMENT. 8)

Well that's a good point. When does simple attention become harassment? I guess it's a different line for different people? No doubt, unwanted attention can = harassment. Sadly, it's socially acceptable in many circles/cultures.

shy1
01-10-2010, 03:31 PM
I think it becomes harrassment after I say no thanks. I know some women try to be nice, but I think its kinder to just tell the truth (I'm trying to hook up with that other guy over there. If I don't get him, I'm going home alone. Thanks anyway though.) This doesn't always work. If I have to say no more than 3 times, then I get a bouncer, or hide behind the meanest looking guy around (they seem to enjoy this). I have had to push a guy off of me, leave the club, and then tell him to leave me the fuck alone after he followed me out to my car. Having said this, I'd still rather put up with the unwanted attention than not be able to get the kind I wanted.
Otherwise I would stop working out and begin making pilgrimages to the Ben abd Jerry's factory.