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dlabtot
12-23-2009, 01:15 PM
These threadjacks inevitably involve someone on my ignore list, which makes it even more confusing when only one side of the convo is visible.

yoda57us
12-23-2009, 02:06 PM
Well, you know thread-jack schmed-jack I always say. Show me a thread without a detour or two and I will show you a very short, and often boring, thread. It's very easy to scroll past the posts, or posters, that you don't want to read. I used to scroll past entire pages when Punk and Jenny where going at it...

FBR
12-26-2009, 11:58 AM
And I thought this thread was about our beloved moderator FBR....

I sent my fav a nice text on Christmas Eve wishing her and her family a very Merry Christmas and included a comment about my daughter's recent graduation from nursing school. This was a "normal" type communication between us in that we have exchanged information and updates over the years about family stuff. Anyway, her response was pretty chilly, along the lines of "Merry xmas to you. Thanks for the update on <daughter's name>. It took me aback I have to admit but upon reflection, I should have expected it. I set myself up with 5 figure Christmas gifts to her over the last several years but was unable to do so this year. Anyway, just wanted to close the loop, at least on the most recent episode. Not saying I have stopped reading the book but I am getting weary and it just might be time to quietly close the book covers and put it up on the shelf.

FBR

yoda57us
12-26-2009, 12:38 PM
I sent my fav a nice text on Christmas Eve wishing her and her family a very Merry Christmas and included a comment about my daughter's recent graduation from nursing school. This was a "normal" type communication between us in that we have exchanged information and updates over the years about family stuff. Anyway, her response was pretty chilly, along the lines of "Merry xmas to you. Thanks for the update on <daughter's name>. It took me aback I have to admit but upon reflection, I should have expected it. I set myself up with 5 figure Christmas gifts to her over the last several years but was unable to do so this year. Anyway, just wanted to close the loop, at least on the most recent episode. Not saying I have stopped reading the book but I am getting weary and it just might be time to quietly close the book covers and put it up on the shelf.

FBR

Been there Bro. It's always a bit of a disappointment when the little voice inside that keeps telling you "it's all about the money" is proven right...

The best cure is to find another hot piece of ass, in your 2010 price range, and have some fun! When one door closes (even if it's only temporary) another door opens...;)

JoeUnCool
12-26-2009, 02:36 PM
I sent my fav a nice text on Christmas Eve wishing her and her family a very Merry Christmas and included a comment about my daughter's recent graduation from nursing school. This was a "normal" type communication between us in that we have exchanged information and updates over the years about family stuff. Anyway, her response was pretty chilly, along the lines of "Merry xmas to you. Thanks for the update on <daughter's name>. It took me aback I have to admit but upon reflection, I should have expected it. I set myself up with 5 figure Christmas gifts to her over the last several years but was unable to do so this year. Anyway, just wanted to close the loop, at least on the most recent episode. Not saying I have stopped reading the book but I am getting weary and it just might be time to quietly close the book covers and put it up on the shelf.

FBR

Jesus H. Christ. Five fucking figure gifts?!? Thats a serious WTF! I felt like a complete knucklehaded idiot for blowing a bunch back in the early 90s. I feel for you FBR, I really do. I've been there myself, well I wasn't long out of college. The game will never change. Its about the money. Capitalism, it is a PITA as times.............

JoeUnCool
12-26-2009, 02:37 PM
FBR, the suggestion from Yoda and I is the same. "The best way to get over one dancer is to get under another."

Smokeless
12-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Been there Bro. It's always a bit of a disappointment when the little voice inside that keeps telling you "it's all about the money" is proven right...

Yes, indeed. And my gifts and expenditures are several orders of magnitude less than FBR's. I was getting several texts from dancers recently with neither time nor money to follow up. When I told them I was low on time, perhaps some other day, the messages continued. When I confessed I was also low on cash, sudden screaming silence!

JoeUnCool
12-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Yes, indeed. And my gifts and expenditures are several orders of magnitude less than FBR's. I was getting several texts from dancers recently with neither time nor money to follow up. When I told them I was low on time, perhaps some other day, the messages continued. When I confessed I was also low on cash, sudden screaming silence!

Yeah, I've been right there with you and FBR. I know that feeling. the interesting thing is that when they stop talking to you, its a beautiful reason to go somewhere else when the cash comes back. Dancers think that you'll magically come back to them when the cash comes back. This inspite of no sales effort from them. If the girl gave the least amount of effort when I admitted that I had no cash, I'd gladly go back when the cash comes back. Unfortunately, most dancers can't see past the end of their nose, so the whole relationship just falls apart.

Trust me, you are in a better position just moving along.

victor2
12-29-2009, 09:42 AM
I have a similar situation. I have been a very generous customer of one entertainer for many years. Our relationship has developed into one of being very good friends, but the club experience is getting old and I am I getting tired of spending significant amounts. I know she counts on my support and has expectations. I created the situation myself and am now trying to find a nice way to reduce my spending. Any suggestions?

bem401
12-29-2009, 10:25 AM
I have a similar situation. I have been a very generous customer of one entertainer for many years. Our relationship has developed into one of being very good friends, but the club experience is getting old and I am I getting tired of spending significant amounts. I know she counts on my support and has expectations. I created the situation myself and am now trying to find a nice way to reduce my spending. Any suggestions?

You've asked this question in several threads over the last several months. What would possess you to think the responses you're going to get will be any different now than they were before?

KS_Stevia
12-29-2009, 10:59 AM
Yeah, I've been right there with you and FBR. I know that feeling. the interesting thing is that when they stop talking to you, its a beautiful reason to go somewhere else when the cash comes back. Dancers think that you'll magically come back to them when the cash comes back. This inspite of no sales effort from them. If the girl gave the least amount of effort when I admitted that I had no cash, I'd gladly go back when the cash comes back. Unfortunately, most dancers can't see past the end of their nose, so the whole relationship just falls apart.

Trust me, you are in a better position just moving along.

Possibly, but this is a nice girl, she isn't like the girls you had your drama with long ago. I don't think she is doing anything wrong making her standard sales calls to him. OTOH, he has the right to seek out a better value as well. But from all the years of all the stories, its always sounded like they had a very friendly and amicable arrangement, and no one was forcing anything undesirable upon the other.

yoda57us
12-29-2009, 03:12 PM
I have a similar situation. I have been a very generous customer of one entertainer for many years. Our relationship has developed into one of being very good friends, but the club experience is getting old and I am I getting tired of spending significant amounts. I know she counts on my support and has expectations. I created the situation myself and am now trying to find a nice way to reduce my spending. Any suggestions?


There is really no "nice way" to stop spending money on a dancer. Her expectations are only natural but they are not your responsibility. Unless you have some sort of flat-fee agreement with her every time you visit your best bet is simply to say nothing and spend what you feel comfortable spending when you go in. She will figure out what's going on and either be thankful for what you do spend or not...

There isn't much more you can do. Of course, once you do this you may find the term "friend" gets re-defined...

FBR
01-02-2010, 05:47 PM
I received a play money check for $1500 Thursday...unusually large nowadays but I have worked extra hard these last several weeks on side jobs. Anyway, being frugal, I plan to put 5 small or so in my savings but that still will leave me with around 1 large left over. Backing out some walking around money that still nets me around 6-7 hundred. Debating what to spend it on. Or perhaps just letting it ride for a while.

FBR

yoda57us
01-02-2010, 08:00 PM
Not that you need advice from me FBR but I would be inclined to sit on it for a while and weigh your options...

FBR
01-03-2010, 03:51 PM
Not that you need advice from me FBR but I would be inclined to sit on it for a while and weigh your options...

My post was asking for advise :) Thanks!

FBR

FBR
01-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Got a surprise contact from another dancer tonight. She must have sniffed the money }:D

FBR

Smokeless
01-04-2010, 12:46 AM
Got a surprise contact from another dancer tonight. She must have sniffed the money }:D

FBR

Oh, it's amazing how good a sense of smell they have for that sort of thing.

JoeUnCool
01-04-2010, 09:13 AM
Got a surprise contact from another dancer tonight. She must have sniffed the money }:D

FBR

as for a suggestion, I'd put the money away and save it for a while. its what I'm doing. But, you don't need my permission to do anything.

I'll have to post a TR about the time Mother Teresa mentioned my full name in the locker room and the next thing I know, this little troll of a chick started called my office, they gave out my mobile number, and she starts calling me all the time. That was a jarring experience.

KS_Stevia
01-04-2010, 03:12 PM
Wow, Joe, you've had some really bad experiences. Makes me happy that I maintained the privacy of my customers...although most business cards I've gotten went straight into the trash for anyone to sift through and pick up. However, those were never spenders.

JoeUnCool
01-05-2010, 12:20 PM
Wow, Joe, you've had some really bad experiences. Makes me happy that I maintained the privacy of my customers...although most business cards I've gotten went straight into the trash for anyone to sift through and pick up. However, those were never spenders.

Yeah, i do attract some weird ones. My rule for years has been to never give out contact info unless I have a really good vibe that the girl isn't a scammer (like you can really tell that) or I'm drunk.

Remember folks, in the locker room, the girls are blabber mouths, just like guys.

lopaw
01-05-2010, 08:53 PM
Remember folks, in the locker room, the girls are blabber mouths, just like guys.


I've been privy to many conversations at my table between 2 or more dancers who were comparing notes on customers in the club - I'm guessing that it was typical of the stuff they discuss in the dressing room. They talked very openly, even though I was sitting right there.... it definitely was not the type of thing that is discussed in front of most customers. It was amazing the type of info & details they compared on many different regular custies - they compared notes about EVERYTHING. It was a bit un-nerving. When I asked them what they said about me when I'm not there, they just chuckled & promised that they said only good things. Yeah...uh huh. ::)

FBR
01-05-2010, 09:12 PM
Not that you need advice from me FBR but I would be inclined to sit on it for a while and weigh your options...

Great advise yoda. I mentioned that another dancer contacted me out of the blue. We texted back and forth a bit and then she happened to ask about Miss D. I thought that was unusual because they werent tight so far as I knew and drilled a bit questioning. She fumbled around for a while and then offered maybe we three could get together at the club for some fun. And it would be fun I admit but I suspect those two ladies were communicating back channel all the while trying to finagle me LOL

FBR

FBR
01-05-2010, 09:14 PM
When I asked them what they said about me when I'm not there, they just chuckled & promised that they said only good things. Yeah...uh huh. ::)

Ha! Don't ask, don't tell. No matter how good a customer you are, someone will talk shit about you.

FBR

You Know Me
01-05-2010, 09:32 PM
i vote new blood.

That is all

FBR
01-05-2010, 09:43 PM
i vote new blood.

That is all

I don't get your post.

FBR

Chili Palmer
01-05-2010, 09:46 PM
Yeah, i do attract some weird ones. My rule for years has been to never give out contact info unless I have a really good vibe that the girl isn't a scammer (like you can really tell that) or I'm drunk.

Remember folks, in the locker room, the girls are blabber mouths, just like guys.

It is remarkable, Joe, how many really, really bad stripper situations you've been involved with, even though you've stated you neither look for high mileage nor meet dancers for OTC activities (if memory serves correctly).

That said, the ladies certainly do talk in the locker room. Although for me the only significant drama I've ever encountered was at a Spearmint Rhino (I won't disclose which one, though most discerning readers will know). This unbelievably busty dancer of Middle Eastern origin had me worked into a frenzy, and we decided to head to the VIP rooms to consummate our relationship. As we waited for a room to become available, she realizes she didn't have a condom, so she went to the dressing room to "borrow" one. While there, she bragged to the other dancers about how much she was getting from me, which almost started a catfight in the dressing room (I was told later) by other dancers who knew I'd never pay the price she quoted (true). I was a very established customer here and well known to drop a lot of cash, but not "n00B PL In Love With A Dancer" stupid cash.

Anyway, after our set was finished and I want to head to the bathroom to clean up and dispose of the evidence, I am stopped by two of my fave dancers who "demand" to know if she was lying or not--not that they were upset I was fucking her and not them, but just the pricing. I assured them I'd done nothing to upset the balance of nature in re: established pricing norms. Once mollified, I was able to clean up and finish off an otherwise outstanding night. Ahh, memories.

Oh, and FBR, since this thread is about you, keep the money for now dude. :P

CP

FBR
01-05-2010, 09:52 PM
Oh, it's amazing how good a sense of smell they have for that sort of thing.

Smokeless, you are right. The difficult part is this particular dancer from my old club (I believe I named her Miss C back in the day for those who remember) combined some amazing club face to face grinding LD's with DFK which I love. So her contacting me brought back memories.

FBR

FBR
01-05-2010, 09:53 PM
Oh, and FBR, since this thread is about you, keep the money for now dude. :P

CP

CP, LOL you know I will give it up at some point }:D

FBR

You Know Me
01-05-2010, 09:55 PM
Maybe meet someone new who doesn't know me and doesn't have the same monetary expectations.

This is what i meant by new blood. idk is that just a southern thing

FBR
01-05-2010, 10:03 PM
This is what i meant by new blood. idk is that just a southern thing I totally missed the context of your post. Thank you for the good advise! You are right. I am going to spend some time evaluating.

FBR

JoeUnCool
01-05-2010, 10:45 PM
It is remarkable, Joe, how many really, really bad stripper situations you've been involved with, even though you've stated you neither look for high mileage nor meet dancers for OTC activities (if memory serves correctly).

Yeah, and I have no problem telling a chick no and to go away.

Right, I'm not in it for the mileage or OTC. Go with me somewhere and the girls always hit me up when i walk in the door. They think I'm an easy mark and am right off the tractor.

JoeUnCool
01-05-2010, 10:47 PM
That said, the ladies certainly do talk in the locker room. Although for me the only significant drama I've ever encountered was at a Spearmint Rhino (I won't disclose which one, though most discerning readers will know). This unbelievably busty dancer of Middle Eastern origin had me worked into a frenzy, and we decided to head to the VIP rooms to consummate our relationship. As we waited for a room to become available, she realizes she didn't have a condom, so she went to the dressing room to "borrow" one. While there, she bragged to the other dancers about how much she was getting from me, which almost started a catfight in the dressing room (I was told later) by other dancers who knew I'd never pay the price she quoted (true). I was a very established customer here and well known to drop a lot of cash, but not "n00B PL In Love With A Dancer" stupid cash.

Anyway, after our set was finished and I want to head to the bathroom to clean up and dispose of the evidence, I am stopped by two of my fave dancers who "demand" to know if she was lying or not--not that they were upset I was fucking her and not them, but just the pricing. I assured them I'd done nothing to upset the balance of nature in re: established pricing norms. Once mollified, I was able to clean up and finish off an otherwise outstanding night. Ahh, memories.

CP

I have a funny locker room story from the PP in Atlanta a few years ago that I'll have to put in a TR some time, if I ever get the time.

JoeUnCool
01-05-2010, 10:49 PM
Great advise yoda. I mentioned that another dancer contacted me out of the blue. We texted back and forth a bit and then she happened to ask about Miss D. I thought that was unusual because they werent tight so far as I knew and drilled a bit questioning. She fumbled around for a while and then offered maybe we three could get together at the club for some fun. And it would be fun I admit but I suspect those two ladies were communicating back channel all the while trying to finagle me LOL

FBR

If you suspect that they are talking about you, comparing notes or whatever, I'd dump both of them and try someplace new.

FBR
01-05-2010, 11:51 PM
If you suspect that they are talking about you, comparing notes or whatever, I'd dump both of them and try someplace new.

In a way though, both of them talking about me behind my back gives me wood or at least a semi. That is a precious commodity nowadays.

FBR

JoeUnCool
01-06-2010, 09:04 AM
In a way though, both of them talking about me behind my back gives me wood or at least a semi. That is a precious commodity nowadays.

FBR

Yeah, i thought that as well. If they are probably comparing notes about the size of your wallet, that can lead to a bad situation. Been there, done that, got the tshirt.

KS_Stevia
01-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Yeah, i do attract some weird ones. My rule for years has been to never give out contact info unless I have a really good vibe that the girl isn't a scammer (like you can really tell that) or I'm drunk.

Remember folks, in the locker room, the girls are blabber mouths, just like guys.

Yup, so true, the things I've heard. Fortunately, a sane stripper who knows how to make money will keep her mouth completely shut about any decent customer and decent spender...why share the info?

Reminds me of when I was in the LR, and this sweet but dumb stripper ran back all excited about this extremely handsome guy in the club who was tipping big already. Although we were casual friends, I finished getting ready in lightening speed, slammed my locker door shut, and BOLTED straight past her to this guy.

Just like expected, he was drop dead gorgeous (Aussie I think) and a great spender. He told me my "ass should be bronzed". He spent all his money on me, then she got to sit with him for an hour for free. Oops.....}:D

See, it PAYS to keep your mouth shut. Unless you're a crazy person, like one of Joe's girls. :P

KS_Stevia
01-06-2010, 10:40 AM
I've been privy to many conversations at my table between 2 or more dancers who were comparing notes on customers in the club - I'm guessing that it was typical of the stuff they discuss in the dressing room. They talked very openly, even though I was sitting right there.... it definitely was not the type of thing that is discussed in front of most customers. It was amazing the type of info & details they compared on many different regular custies - they compared notes about EVERYTHING. It was a bit un-nerving. When I asked them what they said about me when I'm not there, they just chuckled & promised that they said only good things. Yeah...uh huh. ::)

You know, I think that most strippers have a certain level of respect and reverence to our solo female customers, because ya'll are a rare breed. I've heard girls bitch about MF couples, and groups of straight women in the club, but have nary heard a negative word about a group of lesbian customers, or solo lesbian customers.

We just love ya'll and wish we had more like!?! I've never ever ever, not once, danced for a lesbian woman who was anything but absolutely sweet, respectful, and a joy to dance for. Really, I don't think I've just been lucky, I just think that other women who REALLY love women, understand us.

Now, women who are there to keep an eye on their man, and not for the dancers, that can get a big tricky.

yoda57us
01-06-2010, 11:12 AM
About five years ago when a long-time ATF retired I decided it was time to shake things up. I started going to new clubs and pretty much stopped going to my old haunts. At first it wasn't really about money but I realized pretty quickly that it was nice to be in clubs where there where no dancers with any expectations of revenue from me based on past history. I found myself spending less and having a lot of fun. After a few years of this I drifted back to a couple of my old haunts and found that some of my old favs where still there. To my surprise I found that out of six or seven old flames only one could still light a fire in my shorts (she still does!). One of the appeals with her is that she gave me absolutely no grief about disappearing for a couple of years where most of the other gals did. Strip clubs are strictly a drama-free zone for me. I'm not cheap ITC but the ladies who try to make me feel obligated to spend on them are the ones I end up avoiding.

Sometimes change is good, sometimes old favorites are good. It's always a good idea to mix it up a little.

JoeUnCool
01-06-2010, 07:29 PM
See, it PAYS to keep your mouth shut. Unless you're a crazy person, like one of Joe's girls. :P

And the hits just keep on coming. (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1889224&postcount=4013)

Second part. (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1889225&postcount=4014)

FBR
01-08-2010, 08:34 PM
Keeping it short, the dancer that contacted me out of the blue knows Miss D but lost her number. She asked if I could give it to her to which I said no because I don't give out numbers without permission. I offered to give her number to Miss D which I did via text with permission. Now, I knew that was a potential problem because Miss D logically would wonder why I was talking to that stripper instead of her. Anyway, (and I know this was evil FBR) I went ahead and texted Miss D the phone number of Miss C. I understand the potential drama but frankly maybe that is what I want right now }:D That was yesterday...no word from either since then.

FBR

yoda57us
01-08-2010, 09:38 PM
Anyway, (and I know this was evil FBR) I went ahead and texted Miss D the phone number of Miss C. I understand the potential drama but frankly maybe that is what I want right now }:D That was yesterday...no word from either since then.


There are dancers who are cool with you spending on whomever you want to and dancers who are possessive, even if it is in a very subtle way. I have a feeling FBR that you are about to find out which category Miss D falls into. In any event it sounds like you have decided to roll with whatever happens so enjoy the ride!

JoeUnCool
01-09-2010, 06:58 AM
Keeping it short, the dancer that contacted me out of the blue knows Miss D but lost her number. She asked if I could give it to her to which I said no because I don't give out numbers without permission. I offered to give her number to Miss D which I did via text with permission. Now, I knew that was a potential problem because Miss D logically would wonder why I was talking to that stripper instead of her. Anyway, (and I know this was evil FBR) I went ahead and texted Miss D the phone number of Miss C. I understand the potential drama but frankly maybe that is what I want right now }:D That was yesterday...no word from either since then.

FBR

Of course there was no response. They have either
a. Killed each other.
b. Are plotting to kill you and split the money.
:D

JoeUnCool
01-09-2010, 06:59 AM
There are dancers who are cool with you spending on whomever you want to and dancers who are possessive, even if it is in a very subtle way. I have a feeling FBR that you are about to find out which category Miss D falls into. In any event it sounds like you have decided to roll with whatever happens so enjoy the ride!

I have found that possessives far outnumber the cools.

Phil-W
01-09-2010, 08:13 AM
Anyway, (and I know this was evil FBR) I went ahead and texted Miss D the phone number of Miss C. I understand the potential drama...

Are your ears burning yet?

Somehow, I suspect your character is being assasinated.......

Phil.

yoda57us
01-09-2010, 08:29 AM
I have found that possessives far outnumber the cools.

My experience has been largely, though certainly not completely, the opposite. I tend to go for older dancers who have been at it for a while. This doesn't mean that they are not competitive but experience brings the resolute knowledge that customers are like buses...there is always another one coming along....

rockie
01-09-2010, 11:53 AM
FBR: Today it's drama at no cost to you! Live free today, and who gives a shit about tomorrow. JoeUnCool: If you establish the obligations, then possessiveness come with those obligations. The best piece of advice I ever latched on to at SW (Yoda) was to not commit to one individual per club in my clubbing adventures. That advice has served me well on many different levels, but it has not left me immune to dancer possessiveness. It is just less prevalent in my reality.

yoda57us
01-09-2010, 01:51 PM
The best piece of advice I ever latched on to at SW (Yoda) was to not commit to one individual per club in my clubbing adventures. That advice has served me well on many different levels, but it has not left me immune to dancer possessiveness. It is just less prevalent in my reality.

LOL, Trust me rockie I had to get torched by my first Brazilian to learn this lesson the hard way. I agree, it does not make you immune to dance possessiveness but it does put you in the driver's seat...as opposed to being a corpse with an empty wallet that they stuff in the trunk....:D

Chili Palmer
01-09-2010, 03:31 PM
I have found that possessives far outnumber the cools.

For me, it's just the opposite. Most dancers in my circle not only aren't possessive, they'll actually recommend other dancers to me they think I'll like. They know they'll always get theirs, too.

I'm not trying to hammer you, Joe, but like I wrote to the ladies in another post who were complaining about a certain type of bad customer: if it keeps happening again and again, it's probably you and not them. Once again, no offense meant.

CP

JoeUnCool
01-09-2010, 10:26 PM
For me, it's just the opposite. Most dancers in my circle not only aren't possessive, they'll actually recommend other dancers to me they think I'll like. They know they'll always get theirs, too.

I'm not trying to hammer you, Joe, but like I wrote to the ladies in another post who were complaining about a certain type of bad customer: if it keeps happening again and again, it's probably you and not them. Once again, no offense meant.

CP

No worries CP. I know the mistakes I made. The only one that got me was the first one. The second was more a shock to the system than anything else. It didn't cost me money, just a cringe when my phone would ring and I would look to see who it was for a while.

The girls I knew and that knew me otc, also understood me and knew what I was about. its the whole "my customer" thing that just gets me. A dancer doesn't belong to me anymore than I belong to a dancer.

FBR
01-10-2010, 07:39 PM
FBR: Today it's drama at no cost to you! Live free today,...

I think I am going to check out my other options club wise. May have something to report soon.

FBR