View Full Version : My first weekly engagement!!! (Escorting)
pixiepower329
01-08-2010, 07:26 PM
Malaya-- You have a twin in Dallas. She strongly resembles you. Very educated, carries on conversation, is witty, friendly, classy, and has a beautiful incall location. She still struggles to get $250/hour.
Texas is rough. Beyond rough. I have other friends who charge 300/hr with a 2 hour minimum. She has been around for 3 years and might be able to book 5 appointments a month. Not a horrible income, but 2 years ago she booked 5 a week easily.
malayataylor
01-08-2010, 08:17 PM
Malaya-- You have a twin in Dallas. She strongly resembles you. Very educated, carries on conversation, is witty, friendly, classy, and has a beautiful incall location. She still struggles to get $250/hour.
Texas is rough. Beyond rough. I have other friends who charge 300/hr with a 2 hour minimum. She has been around for 3 years and might be able to book 5 appointments a month. Not a horrible income, but 2 years ago she booked 5 a week easily.
Who is this twin? what's her website address (you can pm me if you want) and I'll tell you what she's doing wrong. 5 appointments a month? hmmm... :-\.. interesting. She strongly resembles me?? Thought I'd never do this but You be the judge here's my business website: (Deleted! :) ) 5 appointments a month is ummm.. bad considering she's only asking $250 an hour(at least to me it would be).
Jessie_tinydancer
01-08-2010, 11:58 PM
Maybe just cause she's been around a while the guys are bored of her. If she looks similar to you Malaya maybe you have taken some of her clientele.
malayataylor
01-09-2010, 02:04 AM
Maybe just cause she's been around a while the guys are bored of her. If she looks similar to you Malaya maybe you have taken some of her clientele.
lol!!! I'd love to see the girl's site.. I bet I can find out why she's not getting enough business.. $250 is damn good for a quality providers..given that there are alot of girls that will try to rip clients off and all (upselling ..etc)
pixiepower329
01-09-2010, 04:15 PM
Malaya--
In this area, $250 is just a little above average. I guess what I'm saying is count yourself lucky. There are many beautiful, talented girls that are struggling.
The 5 appointments a month wasn't your twin, it was another escort friend of mine. She charges 300/hr with a 2 hour minimum. So her money isn't horrible, but its a lot worse than it used to be.
There are weeks that my other friend (the twin) doesn't get any appointments. AA girls struggle around here.
lilmisssunshine
01-09-2010, 04:17 PM
AA girls typically don't do well in Texas. Alot of predjudice is still here. Many clubs here don't like to hire them either.
And men don't consider $250 a good deal here. Many of them would see it as close to a rip off, unless you have something that puts you above the rest, like porn star status.
malayataylor
01-09-2010, 04:34 PM
Malaya--
In this area, $250 is just a little above average. I guess what I'm saying is count yourself lucky. There are many beautiful, talented girls that are struggling.
The 5 appointments a month wasn't your twin, it was another escort friend of mine. She charges 300/hr with a 2 hour minimum. So her money isn't horrible, but its a lot worse than it used to be.
There are weeks that my other friend (the twin) doesn't get any appointments. AA girls struggle around here.
AA girls typically don't do well in Texas. Alot of predjudice is still here. Many clubs here don't like to hire them either.
And men don't consider $250 a good deal here. Many of them would see it as close to a rip off, unless you have something that puts you above the rest, like porn star status.
Well, I'm glad I'm not in texas. However, I've had two clients from houston and they were VERY generous. Charlotte is not escort friendly either. I don't see too many locals because of all the shit that goes on here (busts..etc) and when I do see a local I screen the hell out of them. They literally have to have their name, contact info on their business/work site if they don't have a provider reference or I won't see them (I've seen a few guys that were new to the hobby most girls don't take new clients). Most of my clients are from out of state. I'm a frequent poster on a few of the escort boards and It's brought lots of business my way. It's all about networking. I have a friend that tours dallas and tells me how "great" the money is there.. So I dunno. LOL @ $250 being a RIP off.. haha They'd laugh at my rates then.. FUCK THEM!
pixiepower329
01-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Problem with Dallas is all you have to do is look at backpage and you will see TONS of girls offering 70 and 80 dollar sessions. Quality? No, but cheap. Makes it harder on the quality girls here. Some stick to their guns and haven't lowered their rates, but many of them have just said to hell with it and retired.
malayataylor
01-09-2010, 07:31 PM
Problem with Dallas is all you have to do is look at backpage and you will see TONS of girls offering 70 and 80 dollar sessions. Quality? No, but cheap. Makes it harder on the quality girls here. Some stick to their guns and haven't lowered their rates, but many of them have just said to hell with it and retired.
Hmm @ $70-$80 sessions.. Just one of those things I'll never understand. As far as lowering rates.. never! I was the girl that said "I will NEVER offer specials".. until one week when things just got slow. I posted a $275 special for TER and BD members and they flocked. I still see those guys at that $275 an hour and it'll never go up for those men that saw me that week. The decision to offer that special was probably the best decision I've ever made ..now guys know I'm worth the 400an hour ;). My rates now is $400 an hour.. $50 off to date-check and preferred411 members..which is not that bad. I'm not trying to see everyone that can afford $200.. I'll NEVER lower my rate if anything after a few months I'll raise them again If I feel I need to.
Clare
01-10-2010, 08:46 AM
They probably paid you more because they know it's the norm in that area. When I was in Chicago, men paid much better. But they don't in Texas. There is also a higher standard of living up north. Texas is overwhelmed with GFE women who will do anything for $150 and there is a lower standard of living here. I also noticed that years ago when ASPD and CL got popular on the scene, rates began to drop due to desperate women who did not know better. They drove rates down. We also have ALOT of women from South America, Asia, and Mexico here driving the rates down. Repeat - ALOT from South America, Mexico and I know that Houston was swarming in Asians.
CL and Backpage have reduced rates for ASPs. Any woman with the curiousity can post an ad to "try it out" and typically, one day of making more than they would all week at an average job and they're hooked (no pun intended)
I have friends who have come to the Colorado area from Texas because of the reasons you state. One of my regulars just visited Houston and there was tons and tons of Asian GFEs to be had. He paid $200 for 90 minutes and had a GREAT time - this was no random woman trying to make a buck with the 3G (get in, get off, get out) experience in a Motel 6.
She had an upscale incall in a very nice area with great decor and plenty of plush towels. Candles, massage table, extensive toy and porn collection. She gave him a dry loofah rub down before a wonderful bubblebath for two ... followed by intense sex with MSOG (multiple shots on goal, he came twice) and THEN followed by a hot stone massage. He STILL wistfully talks about. Hell, I'd go and see her just for the spa like experience at that price, lol!
I'm lucky our area hasn't been affected by a flood of escorts. Yes we have ASPs on CL and BP offering the $100 hours. But I'd hope a guy would be smart enough to realize at that price he typically isn't getting the whole pampering effect. There have been stories of these women being drunk, high, having kids/friends/family/boyfriends at their incalls, having seedy incalls, etc. If I was a guy I'd want to spend a bit more and get a nice time and not worry about catching bed bugs, but then, I'm not a guy and we all know how they think, lol.
malayataylor
01-10-2010, 09:18 AM
CL and Backpage have reduced rates for ASPs. Any woman with the curiousity can post an ad to "try it out" and typically, one day of making more than they would all week at an average job and they're hooked (no pun intended)
I've been curious about posting on backpage but I just don't want to be labeled as a "backpage" girl! I would have gotten a "sponsor" ad and made it all pretty and ish but I'd still be labeled a "backpage" girl.. so it's a BIG no for me.
I have friends who have come to the Colorado area from Texas because of the reasons you state. One of my regulars just visited Houston and there was tons and tons of Asian GFEs to be had. He paid $200 for 90 minutes and had a GREAT time - this was no random woman trying to make a buck with the 3G (get in, get off, get out) experience in a Motel 6.
She had an upscale incall in a very nice area with great decor and plenty of plush towels. Candles, massage table, extensive toy and porn collection. She gave him a dry loofah rub down before a wonderful bubblebath for two ... followed by intense sex with MSOG (multiple shots on goal, he came twice) and THEN followed by a hot stone massage. He STILL wistfully talks about. Hell, I'd go and see her just for the spa like experience at that price, lol!
MSOG-One of those things I don't do. You cum twice you pay twice.. Clare, Do most providers do this? LOL! @ "Hell I'd go and see her just for the spa like experience at that price" HAHA sweeeeet
I'm lucky our area hasn't been affected by a flood of escorts. Yes we have ASPs on CL and BP offering the $100 hours. But I'd hope a guy would be smart enough to realize at that price he typically isn't getting the whole pampering effect. There have been stories of these women being drunk, high, having kids/friends/family/boyfriends at their incalls, having seedy incalls, etc. If I was a guy I'd want to spend a bit more and get a nice time and not worry about catching bed bugs, but then, I'm not a guy and we all know how they think, lol.
lmfaooo the reviews on TOB are like soo entertaining.. I read about one provider that had her son pick up the phone and another well known provider that constantly went to the hallway to give her pimp money. I think guys are starting to catch on about CL and Backpage girls. Funny though some guys still flock to backpage for all their needs.. they'll never learn. My client from Houston told me he had an extra $100 ready just in case I'd try to sell other services as "extra" lol! It's so fucked up what ASPs do to these men sometimes lol!
Clare
01-10-2010, 09:41 AM
lol, yes the reviews on TOB can be hilarious! I won't even answer my phone if my kids are home or about to come home because nothing kills the erotic mood quicker than a guy hearing my spawn fight over what channel to watch on TV, lol. I also don't mention them ever, nor my husband. A man is paying me for the fantasy and I think it typically weirds them out to think of us as mothers and wives.
It is soooo funny, men will say "we would never use a BP/CL girl" but they do. I have a young aquaintance in Denver who will never be a high dollar escort and she sees TOB regulars at her reduced rates thanks to her BP ad. Men just want strange pussy. When I started out I was on CL and I made a ton of money and got emails and visits from well known reviewers who publicly state they "don't go there" lol.
I allow MSOG. I think alot of men expect it and not all will have the energy to go another round, but it's nice for them to hear if they could they can.
I told you how I have my 3 hour min. so those 3 hours are filled with excellent conversation, wine and snacks, maybe a light lunch, massage ... if we're together I make sure I have my hand on him somewhere, his shoulder, his back... the point for me isn't to be a fuck-doll, it's to make him feel refreshed, rejuvenated, naughtily taken care of; More courtesan than porn star, lol.
And if they DO want a second or third go round (I've only had one guy do three and he was a young'n, that's probably why most women don't see men under 35) you'll learn ways to make it less labor intensive for you. Haven't you leaned the technique of kneeling between his legs, staring between up into his eyes and his moving hand, saying the classic line "I get soo hot watching you jerk your amazing cock... it's sooo sexy"? lol, then you lean back a little, touch your nipples, rub yourself and fake cumming when he does.... If him self pleasuring himself doesn't work, atleast get him really worked up before you finish him off via very XXX talk and some touching and/or some porn. You're actual sexual contact time will be minimal but they'll think you can walk on water, and usually tip/reschedule accordingly.
malayataylor
01-10-2010, 10:10 AM
Ditto @ not answering the phone when kids are home.. ugh! My one year old is usually "mommy, mommy, mommy" talk about mood killer LOL!
I don't mention my daughter ..EVER! Just dosent' feel right!
LOL @ men saying they'll never use BP/CL! What about the ASPs that say they'll never use BP and CL? Amy Taylor advertises on BP.. imagine that.. When I saw her there I was like "whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?" lol! wow! Bp and CL is the same thing to me.. I did lots of stupid things too when I first got started but it's all a learning experience. I love TOB btw.. LOL!
EXACTLY... Most of my clients can't go another round.. LMFAO! I've had a young guy once but he had a foot/ebony woman obession. I've allowed MSOG in the past and used to encourage it like "Baby let's do it again" ... Hahaha! I've never really turned anyone down if they wanted to .. I've just had a lotta guys that can't get it up more than once.. ;D;D
Clare, I'll have to try that min someday, love it! I do all of that except the actual cooking and massage. Cooking is just one of those things I'm not great at. Remember that review I linked you to?.. It was like conversation, **,***, ***, ***, ***, conversation.. I tend to talk ALOT when I'm nervous (Usually the first 10 minutes into the date) then I get all relaxed. LOL @ Porn star... ditto!
Will have to use that technique!!! I loooove it! The xxx talk...I'll have to work on that a little more.. lol!
lilmisssunshine
01-10-2010, 04:05 PM
Shoot, GFE in Texas pretty much means the guy is gonna run all over ya. MSOG, BBBJ, DATY, Kissing and more...
malayataylor
01-10-2010, 04:34 PM
Shoot, GFE in Texas pretty much means the guy is gonna run all over ya. MSOG, BBBJ, DATY, Kissing and more...
Funny, Yup those texans will be HIGHLY disappointed.. ew @ BBBJ. Never had a client even ask for it. I guess because I make it clear on my P411 profile what I won't do. LFK, DATY...fine.. but all that other ish.. for example greek...they can kiss my ass (no pun intended)! lol!
laurcon
01-10-2010, 05:58 PM
Funny, Yup those texans will be HIGHLY disappointed.. ew @ BBBJ. Never had a client even ask for it. I guess because I make it clear on my P411 profile what I won't do. LFK, DATY...fine.. but all that other ish.. for example greek...they can kiss my ass (no pun intended)! lol!
my SD loves DATY (just googled that, lol!) so that takes up most of our time, which is totally fine by me. i just lie on my back and enjoy while getting paid. 8)
really i don't see a BBBJ as any grosser than kissing (which isn't gross to me) because the worst you can get from both is herpes, or mono, or a cold. and i mean, getting herpes would be horrific, but its like so super rare and i'm pretty sure the person would have to actually have a sore?
well i feel safe with my SD now, but i keep thinking about getting into the business a little more...
pixiepower329
01-10-2010, 06:54 PM
Malaya--
Most guys in this area will tell you that GFE means kissing and BBBJ. Its not always a dealbreaker, but in general its part of the expectation.
I've been in the industry for a long time. I've seen a lot of changes, both good and bad.
malayataylor
01-10-2010, 08:27 PM
my SD loves DATY (just googled that, lol!) so that takes up most of our time, which is totally fine by me. i just lie on my back and enjoy while getting paid. 8)
really i don't see a BBBJ as any grosser than kissing (which isn't gross to me) because the worst you can get from both is herpes, or mono, or a cold. and i mean, getting herpes would be horrific, but its like so super rare and i'm pretty sure the person would have to actually have a sore?
well i feel safe with my SD now, but i keep thinking about getting into the business a little more...
Lol @ just googled it :). I loooooooooooove DATY myself.. I love kissing (especially when he's a hottie) BBBJs ? Nah..I've done it before when I was new to the business but now? Uh.. there's gotta be some mad chemistry for me to even go there. Not even for extra money CBJ is perfectly fine.. bbbj.. no way!
Malaya--
Most guys in this area will tell you that GFE means kissing and BBBJ. Its not always a dealbreaker, but in general its part of the expectation.
I've been in the industry for a long time. I've seen a lot of changes, both good and bad.
I haven't met a guy that said "I won't see you if you won't bbbj me" (I know that sounded funny) That's one of the perks of being your own boss.. ya get to do whatever ya want..right? Again Reverse cowgirl, backflip(lol), lfk, dfk, DATY...great..but barebacking is not my thing. If the guys don't like it, I'll refer them to another provider that'll cater to their needs.
mediocrity
01-10-2010, 08:36 PM
my SD loves DATY (just googled that, lol!) so that takes up most of our time, which is totally fine by me. i just lie on my back and enjoy while getting paid. 8)
really i don't see a BBBJ as any grosser than kissing (which isn't gross to me) because the worst you can get from both is herpes, or mono, or a cold. and i mean, getting herpes would be horrific, but its like so super rare and i'm pretty sure the person would have to actually have a sore?
well i feel safe with my SD now, but i keep thinking about getting into the business a little more...
You can get chlamydia and gonorrhea in your throat.
Jessie_tinydancer
01-10-2010, 10:17 PM
^ I know you are studying medicine medio but I asked about this at my sexual health clinic. (I go a lot due to my swinging ways). They see tons of working ladies there. Anyway they told me there is pretty much no chance of catching chlamydia or gonorrhea in your throat. They said it can happen but is extremely rare. So rare that she didn't even want to swab my throat even though I asked her. She knew my full sexual history which includes BBBJ with a fair number of guys. Well she did it cause I insisted but there was nothing there. But I've never caught any STD anyway.
mediocrity
01-10-2010, 10:22 PM
^ I know you are studying medicine medio but I asked about this at my sexual health clinic. (I go a lot due to my swinging ways). They see tons of working ladies there. Anyway they told me there is pretty much no chance of catching chlamydia or gonorrhea in your throat. They said it can happen but is extremely rare. So rare that she didn't even want to swab my throat even though I asked her. She knew my full sexual history which includes BBBJ with a fair number of guys. Well she did it cause I insisted but there was nothing there. But I've never caught any STD anyway.
It's rare, but not impossible, and worth mentioning even if it's rather remote.
It's like if someone says "It's rare to get HIV from oral", it may be true, but still worth giving a touch of thought to. I know that's a bad simile but I am tired, and you're a smart girl I'm sure you get what I am ineffectively saying. ;)
lilmisssunshine
01-10-2010, 11:11 PM
I thought you could get anything from a BBBJ, AIDS and all.
Anyway, I knew a girl in Houston who was popular for CIM. She was constantly busy. And she constantly had to take time off for getting infections in her throat.
She retired a couple of years later and was anorexic thin at that time. I always kinda wondered if she got sick.
WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 12:27 AM
Lol @ just googled it :). I loooooooooooove DATY myself.. I love kissing (especially when he's a hottie) BBBJs ? Nah..I've done it before when I was new to the business but now? Uh.. there's gotta be some mad chemistry for me to even go there. Not even for extra money CBJ is perfectly fine.. bbbj.. no way!
I haven't met a guy that said "I won't see you if you won't bbbj me" (I know that sounded funny) That's one of the perks of being your own boss.. ya get to do whatever ya want..right? Again Reverse cowgirl, backflip(lol), lfk, dfk, DATY...great..but barebacking is not my thing. If the guys don't like it, I'll refer them to another provider that'll cater to their needs.
So let me get this straight, the guy a few weeks ago who paid you $6,000 for 7 one hour sessions over a week and to hang out GFE style and buy you gifts - he doesn't even get a BBBJ?
Jessie_tinydancer
01-11-2010, 12:35 AM
^ Lilmiss...Yeah you can catch anything, I'm just saying the chances are very very low. Especially if the person doesn't cum in your mouth. I mean in the real world would you guys make a guy wear a condom in a BJ? It's pretty rare in areas where there is not a high instance of HIV. Certainly in the swingers circles I am in everyone wears condoms for sex, but no one does for oral.
I'm just saying I don't think Laurcon needs to freak out about giving her SD a BBBJ. But agree it is worth mentioning it is a possibility. I just know I once had a female partner freak out on me when I went down with no dam and she gave me this whole spiel about how unsafe it was blah blah blah. I totally freaked out and went to the clinic the next day convinced I had every disease living in my throat. She majorly stressed me out. After talking to the doc in the clinic I'm not so stressed anymore, but I'm also not working in the industry so it's not like I'm being exposed to a lot of people. It does only take 1 though I guess.
CIM though... only my hubby has ever done that.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 04:42 AM
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malayataylor
01-11-2010, 05:32 AM
Yes it is very rare to actually catch something from a BBBJ. Yes I've been told I wouldn't "make it" in this business not giving bbbjs.. I've also been told I wouldn't make it in this business being black charging $400 an hour and up, That I'd have to lower my rate to $175an hour. Interesting... because most of my clients are white and paying BIG just to hang out/sleep with/whatever with my sexxxxy black ass! If you don't have a lot of confidence in this business others will eat you up and spit you out;)
You know what? People are funny just because something dosen't work for them.. they think it won't work for you. I can't stand that shit..it urks the hell out of me.
Yes Pussy is Pussy... but I KNOW my Pussy is better, Yes sir and Yes ma'am!
***
I'm working on a whole new business. I'll be just as successful at it as I am now working as an escort. It's a game of smarts. Just like it's a game of smarts with camming, dancing and every other job in the industry. There are camgirls complaning to make $300 an hour a day but then you have ember reigns that makes $700 in 2-3 hours and tierra that gets $600-$800 for her worn underwear...and it's hard for some ASPs to make $250 an HOUR?..c'mon now think about it. Providers here call me alllllll the time to ask me simple business questions and I'm thinking "wtf?" First of all, I don't like anyone calling me out of the blue because I'm that paranoid. I just started a few couple of months ago....says alot eh?
There are GORGEOUS black girls here charging $100 an hour, $150 an hour for full service.. they Allow greek and everything else. I'm not going to be that girl. I'm sure their clients love them... lol
Clare
01-11-2010, 08:30 AM
Yes it is very rare to actually catch something from a BBBJ. Yes I've been told I wouldn't "make it" in this business not giving bbbjs.. I've also been told I wouldn't make it in this business being black charging $400 an hour and up, That I'd have to lower my rate to $175an hour. Interesting... because most of my clients are white and paying BIG just to hang out/sleep with/whatever with my sexxxxy black ass! If you don't have a lot of confidence in this business others will eat you up and spit you out;)
You know what? People are funny just because something dosen't work for them.. they think it won't work for you. I can't stand that shit..it urks the hell out of me.
Yes Pussy is Pussy... but I KNOW my Pussy is better, Yes sir and Yes ma'am!
***
I'm working on a whole new business. I'll be just as successful at it as I am now working as an escort. It's a game of smarts. Just like it's a game of smarts with camming, dancing and every other job in the industry. There are camgirls complaning to make $300 an hour a day but then you have ember reigns that makes $700 in 2-3 hours and tierra that gets $600-$800 for her worn underwear...and it's hard for some ASPs to make $250 an HOUR?..c'mon now think about it. Providers here call me alllllll the time to ask me simple business questions and I'm thinking "wtf?" First of all, I don't like anyone calling me out of the blue because I'm that paranoid. I just started a few couple of months ago....says alot eh?
There are GORGEOUS black girls here charging $100 an hour, $150 an hour for full service.. they Allow greek and everything else. I'm not going to be that girl. I'm sure their clients love them... lol
I personally think that with the very slight but very real chance of catching something, girls who escort for $150 an hour are idiots. I know they're out there but come on.
When I started out, I charged $200 an hour and worried about making every guy HAPPY, ie, if he wanted bbbjcim I said yes, I would grin and bear the typical rough DATY men think since they see it on porns it must make us cum, etc.
I only did that about a month when I decided if I'm risking my health I better be making much more money so I raised my rates to $500 an hour, 3 hour minimum. This allows me to drasticaly cut down the number of men I see, have better appointments and feel more connected to my clients. The caliber of clients is vastly improved, very respectful, not vulgar, don't want to "just get off", and they tip way, way more.
I also decided to say no more such as no BBBJCIM ever, a guy better be super gentle to touch my kitty, no rapid pounding away at me (Yes, it sounds crude to say this stuff but as escorts this is just what we do) for more than a reasonable amount of time, etc.
Men seriously treat you better when you treat yourself better. If I had to do this work at $150 an hour, I'd rather wait tables. It's just not worth it to me plus at that rate I don't think I'd like the clients who could afford me as much, if at all. Sorry to sound snotty lol.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 08:52 AM
I personally think that with the very slight but very real chance of catching something, girls who escort for $150 an hour are idiots. I know they're out there but come on.
When I started out, I charged $200 an hour and worried about making every guy HAPPY, ie, if he wanted bbbjcim I said yes, I would grin and bear the typical rough DATY men think since they see it on porns it must make us cum, etc.
I only did that about a month when I decided if I'm risking my health I better be making much more money so I raised my rates to $500 an hour, 3 hour minimum. This allows me to drasticaly cut down the number of men I see, have better appointments and feel more connected to my clients. The caliber of clients is vastly improved, very respectful, not vulgar, don't want to "just get off", and they tip way, way more.
I also decided to say no more such as no BBBJCIM ever, a guy better be super gentle to touch my kitty, no rapid pounding away at me (Yes, it sounds crude to say this stuff but as escorts this is just what we do) for more than a reasonable amount of time, etc.
Men seriously treat you better when you treat yourself better. If I had to do this work at $150 an hour, I'd rather wait tables. It's just not worth it to me plus at that rate I don't think I'd like the clients who could afford me as much, if at all. Sorry to sound snotty lol.
WELL SAID!!!! lol @ sorry to sound snotty.. I feel ya girl. Took the words right out of my mouth!
Men seriously treat you better when you treat yourself better.
Lots of women don't realize this! Sooo true! All the men I've seen have been soo sweet and tip very well. This is one of the reasons I book via email only. You kinda get a feel of the person's personality that way. I haven't had to report anyone to Provider buzz.... yet LOL! Thank goodness!
I had one client from NY that tried to go the rough DATY route and I stopped him and told him "That's not I like it .. I like it slow and soft like this..." and I directed him. I feel this is My business you're not going to bounce me around like some rag doll.
The caliber of clients is vastly improved, very respectful, not vulgar, don't want to "just get off", and they tip way, way more.
Very true! I noticed that I get bigger tips now than when I was with the agency. I have no idea why but it's funny because my rates are way higher.
WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 11:58 AM
"GFE" as the term is normally used includes both kissing and BBBJs. What's the point of even calling it GFE if there its only CBJs? Spending $6,000 for that is bullshit, probably some old fool who doesn't know any better.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 12:22 PM
"GFE" as the term is normally used includes both kissing and BBBJs. What's the point of even calling it GFE if there its only CBJs? Spending $6,000 for that is bullshit, probably some old fool who doesn't know any better.
That's not the case in my area. For you to say it's bullshit for someone to spend 6k for an sd/sb arrangement on me for a week is very disrespectful. I think it's very reasonable. Only broke men talk like that lol. Some people have money to blow some don't. Oh well.. I'm happy and that's all that matters and Yes he's Old but not an "Old fool". I guess that guy from SC that spent 3500 on me for an overnight is an "Old fool" too because he didn't a bbbj.. Ugh please. GFE means kissing.. simple.. I know to some it means bbbjs but not to all.. take it or leave it..
Jessie_tinydancer
01-11-2010, 01:39 PM
"GFE" as the term is normally used includes both kissing and BBBJs. What's the point of even calling it GFE if there its only CBJs? Spending $6,000 for that is bullshit, probably some old fool who doesn't know any better.
Or someone who just makes a hell of a lot more money than you and has respect for the safety of himself and others.
WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 01:50 PM
spending $6000 of ANY chick w/o BBBJ is bullshit.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 02:01 PM
spending $6000 of ANY chick w/o BBBJ is bullshit.
Sorry you feel that way. You're not paying me to argue with you. I know ASPs that get way more than 6k for a week and don't do bbbj's .. I guess that's bullshit too. Please do your research.
laurcon
01-11-2010, 02:08 PM
spending $6000 of ANY chick w/o BBBJ is bullshit.
that's you dude. many guys would feel much more comfortable kissing a prostitute knowing that her mouth hasn't been on lots of random cocks for a few thousand bucks.
and to me, i think GFE is also about how you interact with the client. a "true GFE" is not just about the sex but also fun conversation and the idea that both parties care about the other as human beings.
lilmisssunshine
01-11-2010, 02:16 PM
spending $6000 of ANY chick w/o BBBJ is bullshit.
this will not end well here
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 02:46 PM
that's you dude. many guys would feel much more comfortable kissing a prostitute knowing that her mouth hasn't been on lots of random cocks for a few thousand bucks.
and to me, i think GFE is also about how you interact with the client. a "true GFE" is not just about the sex but also fun conversation and the idea that both parties care about the other as human beings.
True!! Fact of the matter is Not EVERYONE can afford 6k a week. Not EVERYONE can afford $400 an hour. The guy that's thinking "6k a week and she dosen't do bbbjs?" is the guy I wouldn't want to see. I have seen many men that are ok with this. I have seen men that aren't into DATY.. oh well. I can't complain.
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Just because one provider is struggling to make $250 in texas dosen't mean I won't bank in texas. Hell just because 10 providers in texas are struggling to make $250 an hour dosen't mean I couldn't bank there. Am I planning on visiting texas? No. Maybe I will in the future and If I did I wouldn't lower my rate for ANYONE AND I still wouldn't offer BBBJs. There is nothing wrong with NOT offering BBBJs it's perfectly fine. (I'm kinda grossed out)
The thought of me putting MY lips on all those men's cock is pretty fucking gross! I mean c'mon just think about it ..ew.
Why do women feel they have to do extra shit to make money?.. bbbj, cim .. those things TO ME are just too much... with someone you KNOW and trust? of course.. but with someone random that's paying me 6k a week or even $400 an hour? It's NOT WORTH IT!
And If I did feel comfortable blowing men without protection My rate will be higher than what it is now!
WestCoast101
01-11-2010, 03:45 PM
that's you dude. many guys would feel much more comfortable kissing a prostitute knowing that her mouth hasn't been on lots of random cocks for a few thousand bucks.
and to me, i think GFE is also about how you interact with the client. a "true GFE" is not just about the sex but also fun conversation and the idea that both parties care about the other as human beings.
LOL many hot girls also do it for free with all kinds of guys, , so what we turn them down too, because they are party girls? Nobody would touch half the girls out here if we were worried about that. Get real.
GFE is GFE so stop trying to reinvent what is means, as the generally accepted definition iinvolves both kissing and BBBJ. A small percentage use the term differently, but its really not an accurate use of the term. However if someone states what is and what's not included upfront, then that's fair, no one would have cause to complain.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 04:07 PM
LOL many hot girls also do it for free with all kinds of guys, , so what we turn them down too, because they are party girls? Nobody would touch half the girls out here if we were worried about that. Get real.
Correction.
* Many Hot (stupid) girls do it for free with all kinds of guys.
Just like ...
* Many ASPs have unprotected sex.
Life is not black and white like that Mr Westcoast. ThOSE are both very stupid things to do but people do it. It's nice to know you'd put yourself at risk like that. Just because You'll do something so stupid dosen't mean everyone has to follow. It's your life do you.
GFE is GFE so stop trying to reinvent what is means, as the generally accepted definition iinvolves both kissing and BBBJ. A small percentage use the term differently, but its really not an accurate use of the term. However if someone states what is and what's not included upfront, then that's fair, no one would have cause to complain.
HERE in charlotte, north carolina Men do NOT expect a GFE provider to BBBJ. Gfe means Girlfriend experience with a prostitute where she provides a lot of CUDDLING and KISSING! YOU don't try to reinvent the word ok? I understand that some men would expect a GFE to offer BBBJ.. just because you expect it dosen't mean ya gonna get it. One guy expected me to stick my finger in his ass.. UM.. Hell no! Yes I ALWAYS let my clients know what they'll be getting but BBBJ is not on the menu.
Elvia
01-11-2010, 04:13 PM
Westcoast is just a bitter, woman hating jackass who constantly talks out of his ass. I would say you should take whatever he says with a grain of salt, but that would be too generous. I think you can pretty much disregard anything he has to say on the subject of women and the sex industry.
malayataylor
01-11-2010, 04:24 PM
^ Thanks Elvia. I didn't know this about him. Now I'll have to TRY and ignore his posts. Ugh!
For anyone that's curious .. Yes you can be a True GFE provider and not give bbbjs.. this is a comment I pulled from naughtyreviews.com
I have been with many . One thing I have found that is not always defined in the GFE realm, is bbbj, not all GFE providers believe this to be a mandatory part of gfe. Many young women these days are taking precautions, even with the men the date, especailly if they are dating many men every single day, and with Gonnereah of the throat, Herpes of the mouth, HPV, and God knows what else you can catch from unprotected oral, I have to agree with the girls that say "GFE, like a girlfriend....Not SGFE....like a Stupid girlfriend"
Take it however ya want. All I know is If I was going around giving bbbjs the money I have in the bank now would be double.. sowwy to those that feel like they have to sell themselves short to make a quick buck. Adding more to this in a few...
Full definition of GFE (Pulled of wiki):
GFE: The "girlfriend experience" generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional call girl or escort offers. There is a focus on not just completing a sexual act, but also having more of an experience. Often sessions last longer and are "no rush," which means the call girl spends the full advertised time rather than rushing out after a climax. Common activities usually offered by GFE escorts include kissing[2] and/or french kissing, cuddling[2] and foreplay. By contrast, non-GFE prostitutes typically refrain from kissing because they consider it more emotionally intimate than sexual intercourse without kissing.[citation needed] A call girl advertising the provision of a "girlfriend experience" is implying that she provides deep french kissing (DFK), "full service" (intercourse) usually with protection, and fellatio and cunnilingus, both with or without protection.
SadieN
01-12-2010, 04:25 AM
GFE can mean alot of things to alot of different people. I have experienced GFE type encounters in the club, which obviously dont imply any sexual activity or even kissing. I think outside the escort world it can simply mean basically arm candy. Like taking a girl out like you would take out your girlfriend, wine n dine them.
malayataylor
01-12-2010, 08:03 AM
When I was with the agency I went on a call where the guy wanted a GFE experience. I got to his condo, checked his Id and he paid me (400hr, $200 going to the agency) we had sex but it lasted about 10 minutes then he asked If I wanted to watch tv.. I'm like "sure". We watched curb your enthusiasm the WHOLE time till the hour was up while cuddling. When I got ready to go I called the agency and checked out then he asked "Would you mind If I took you out for a sandwich... " I''m thinking yeahh ...I guess (but I had just checked out) He was like "I'll pay you $300 to come with me and I'll bring you back to your car." He was a very nice so I went..(Got in his car and all.. we were in Uptown and there was people everywhere so I felt comfy) We stopped the bank of america ATM and he handed me $300 (I kept the whole 300;D) then we headed to Bojangles and he made me buy him a sandwich that was maybe $2.50. We went back to his condo and I watched the rest of the CYE episode and I went home. That whole experience to him was a GFE experience. He didn't ask for a bbbj, cbj, bj.. he really just wanted to cuddle and enjoy my company.
This was no average joe. He's a plastic surgeoun and his ex girlfriend was Ms. Maine Usa (Had pics with her and all). His condo was probably three sizes bigger than my place and my apartment is huge. ONLY broke Men talk like Mr West Coast. If you're thinking about escorting set your limits and RESPECT yourself and others WILL respect you. simple. Like Clare said "Men seriously treat you better when you treat yourself better."
WestCoast101
01-12-2010, 12:08 PM
Or someone who just makes a hell of a lot more money than you and has respect for the safety of himself and others.
respect for the safety of others? it seems odd then that you, apparently in your swingers group, and the OP with her customers, are not stopping these crazy? guys from putting themselves at risk, from engaging in DATY. you must realize that's a comparable risk
Jessie_tinydancer
01-12-2010, 07:52 PM
^exactly it is a risk I am willing to take in my swingers circles. If a guy or girl asked me to use a condom or dam I would happily oblige them. If you are suggesting that I should educate adults on the risks before they eat my pussy, I think that's a bit silly isn't it. The people I fuck are educated and intelligent I'm sure they know what the risks are. I respect other peoples wishes and concerns for safety and if they wanted to use protection for oral then that's what I'd do- without bitching about it.
I could also say it's not exactly comparable since even after 4 years of swinging I've slept with under 20 people and I assume an escort might see that many or more in a month, but it doesn't really matter because I don't know how many people the people I've slept with have slept with, hence why I get tested several times a year.
There was a time (before I was swinging) I thought about hiring an escort for my husband and I and I certainly would not have thought it a rip off if they used protection. I would understand it is safety in the workplace and a personal choice of the lady.
Jessie_tinydancer
01-12-2010, 08:00 PM
When I was with the agency I went on a call where the guy wanted a GFE experience. I got to his condo, checked his Id and he paid me (400hr, $200 going to the agency) we had sex but it lasted about 10 minutes then he asked If I wanted to watch tv.. I'm like "sure". We watched curb your enthusiasm the WHOLE time till the hour was up while cuddling. When I got ready to go I called the agency and checked out then he asked "Would you mind If I took you out for a sandwich... " I''m thinking yeahh ...I guess (but I had just checked out) He was like "I'll pay you $300 to come with me and I'll bring you back to your car." He was a very nice so I went..(Got in his car and all.. we were in Uptown and there was people everywhere so I felt comfy) We stopped the bank of america ATM and he handed me $300 (I kept the whole 300;D) then we headed to Bojangles and he made me buy him a sandwich that was maybe $2.50. We went back to his condo and I watched the rest of the CYE episode and I went home. That whole experience to him was a GFE experience. He didn't ask for a bbbj, cbj, bj.. he really just wanted to cuddle and enjoy my company.
This was no average joe. He's a plastic surgeoun and his ex girlfriend was Ms. Maine Usa (Had pics with her and all). His condo was probably three sizes bigger than my place and my apartment is huge. ONLY broke Men talk like Mr West Coast. If you're thinking about escorting set your limits and RESPECT yourself and others WILL respect you. simple. Like Clare said "Men seriously treat you better when you treat yourself better."
OMG so true! Exactly what I have found. I have a few SC regulars and the richest ones don't even what you to dance. They just wanna hang out with you. It's like they can get most girls anyway because of their money and they just wanna feel normal or something. I also had one regular ask me to come over to his place one afternoon and cuddle and watch a movie for $700. No one believed me that he didn't want sex... he didn't! He didn't even try to kiss me. He was just genuinely lonely.
It's only the broke guys who bitch about not liking your dance or wanting you to do more "tricks". pffft. The funniest is the ones that claim they do have money. They think making $200K is "money". They don't get that we know guys who are worth $100 million or more.
malayataylor
01-12-2010, 08:34 PM
OMG so true! Exactly what I have found. I have a few SC regulars and the richest ones don't even what you to dance. They just wanna hang out with you. It's like they can get most girls anyway because of their money and they just wanna feel normal or something. I also had one regular ask me to come over to his place one afternoon and cuddle and watch a movie for $700. No one believed me that he didn't want sex... he didn't! He didn't even try to kiss me. He was just genuinely lonely.
It's only the broke guys who bitch about not liking your dance or wanting you to do more "tricks". pffft. The funniest is the ones that claim they do have money. They think making $200K is "money". They don't get that we know guys who are worth $100 million or more.
You're gonna have to ignore dude.. He's getting on my nerves I don't even know why he's commenting on this thread but oh well.. Ugh @ the men on this board.
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You're right! Broke men just don't have that luxury. I've never had a client that complained about money or anything like that. A man complaing about money is a HUGE turn off for me.. LOL! Anyways, hey If you feel like you're worth $500-$1k an hour.. hell go for it! You'd be suprised how many man would pay to see you. I'm gutsy but not gutsy enough to charge the 1k an hour just yet.. Oh but that day will come.
P.s I was on eros just browsing and I saw a ebony escort that charges 8k for a whole day MINIMUM! She wasn't even cute.. I was like wutttttttttt..lol
lilmisssunshine
01-12-2010, 11:12 PM
8K for a day...she's only gotta do 10 days a year to make 80k
malayataylor
01-13-2010, 12:15 AM
8K for a day...she's only gotta do 10 days a year to make 80k
Yup I say smart girl. Her name is Jeanine.. She's has her own website and all. I'll raise my rates when my new business takes off.. not now.. lol!
malayataylor
01-20-2010, 01:57 PM
You should post on eros and city vibe.. yes it's pricey but it's worth it. Eros is $95 for a basic ad and $350 for a VIP ad (Depending on your location). City vibe is $50 for premium advertising.
babybambi08
01-21-2010, 04:13 PM
wow! congraz!