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Hopper
07-07-2011, 11:34 PM
^ You don't think they were hoping to make money out of you?

This is like networking. Even though no money is made in the immediate interaction, you expect to cultivate a relationship that will yield business transactions in the future. [/quote]

Yes I considered that possibility and it may have been a tactic in those cases. But it doesn't seem like a good tactic - most dancers don't waste time on hustling one guy in a busy club when she has no idea of whether he even likes her or not. If the club is not busy it may be a good investment - at least better than sitting on her own or with other dancers or staff. Or if the customer looks like a bigger spender than the others there. The times it happened to me it really didn't seem like it would be a sensible hustle under the circumstances.


Anyway, you said you ended up tipping her and buying a lap dance. How do you know this wasn't a hustle?


The club was fairly busy. She could have hustled twenty other guys in the time she sat with me, and this club is frequented by suits. She didn't know I would buy a LD or tip her (tipping isn't a custom where I am - dancers are genuinely surprised when I tip them).


I have had dancers do this hustle on me (twice, and then I learned better) - "I'm just going to sit here next to you to relax for a while." Then, they start talking to you and you end up chatting for a long time... After she has "rested", she asks you if you want a dance. If you wanted a dance from her all along, no harm is done. But, if you didn't, you're now guilted into buying a dance because she's your new best friend.

In my case I was not guilted into either tipping her or buying a LD. I would never tip or buy an LD from a dancer I don't like just because she sat with me. If a dancer does that, I assume it's because she doesn't want to work - or else she would not waste all her time with me. I tipped her because I liked her, even though I knew I wasn't obliged to - although she was just using me as an excuse to "chill", I still got something out of it. She was the best looking girl in the club - she could have been in the LD room all night if she chose. In fact, that was her justification for "chilling" that night - she said she was tired and could easily make up for it the next night. I bought an LD from her after I had taken the time to check out all the other dancers and think about whether I liked her enough to spend the money, not because she chatted to me for a long time. She even went outside the club to eat and came back to sit with me. In her case it seemed so odd that she would choose to sit with me for so long that I have since wondered if she wanted me to ask her out, and I regret not finding out at the time. We did seem to click quite well - and like I said, the usual reasons for why I seem to click with dancers (money) didn't seem to apply at that time, because there was no apparent financial reason for her to even chat to me.

jack0177057
07-08-2011, 09:12 AM
Honestly Jack you make it sound as if these girls put some sort of hypnotic spell on you and you had no choice in buying a dance from them...

Ultimately, you buy a dance because you want to. No one is forcing you to do it.

95% of the time, I base my decision purely on looks. I also consider myself 95% hustle-proof. (Unless I want to be hustled.)

But, yes, there have been a few times I've been put under a "hypnotic spell". Two examples (good and bad):

Good Experience: Older average looking dancer sits with me, without even asking. She's not fugly, but not the hottest girl there. I had no interest in buying a dance from her. Yet, she executed a set of seduction patterns that definitely put me under a "spell". I cannot recall everything she did (it was 10 years ago), but I do remember that after about 15 minutes, I wanted her EFFING BAD! I remember some of what she did - she was telling me about a very erotic movie she had watched about two passionate lovers that wrote poems on each other's bodies with chocolate. As she told me the story, she pretend we were the lovers and she pretended to write things on my body with her finger. I know it sounds cheesy, but it was very erotic and sensual. She also massaged my back. Lap dance was also super erotic. She acted very interested in me, gave me her number and asked that I call her. I was married at the time, so I never did. (Plus, why spoil the fantasy?)

Bad Experience: I went into the club looking for a uber hot dancer I had bought dances from before. This was not my usual club and I had only been there once before. Sickly-thin dancer comes along and asks if I want a dance. I say no, I'm waiting for Y. Sickly-thin dancer tells me Y is with a customer and can she keep me company while I wait for Y. I tell her I'm only here to buy dances from Y, but I don't mind her sitting with me. We have a nice conversation, but she asks a few times if I want a dance. I keep repeating that I'm only here to get a dance from Y. I can tell sickly-thin dancer is hurt by my multiple rejections (she looks sad), but yet, she does not walk away, does not turn on me or act bitter, she just sits there, resumes talking and keeping me company "until Y gets free". An hour passes and I'm tired of waiting. Sickly-thin dancer has kept me company for a whole hour, even though I rejected her 3 times. I tell her I'm not waiting for Y anymore. She looks me straight in the eye, and without any shame, again asks me if I want a lap dance before I go. Pity and guilt overcome me like a "hypnotic spell". "Sure".

yoda57us
07-08-2011, 03:37 PM
95% of the time, I base my decision purely on looks. I also consider myself 95% hustle-proof. (Unless I want to be hustled.)

But, yes, there have been a few times I've been put under a "hypnotic spell".


Well, jack, I guess I have to at least give you credit for being honest enough to admit that you don't have control over your own wallet...;)

Hopper
07-09-2011, 06:54 AM
^ He was in control - in the first case he enjoyed the LD, so he got what he paid for and the second case he responded to what he thought was a genuine charity case (though it could have been a put-on).

yoda57us
07-09-2011, 07:30 AM
^ He was in control


LOL, he pretty much admitted that he wasn't...at least on certain occasions.

JayATee
07-10-2011, 10:23 AM
Lol at you being "hustle-proof" Jack.

jack0177057
07-12-2011, 01:47 PM
^ Is that a challenge?... I'll take you up on it - if you can hustle 5 dances out of me, I'll tip you an extra $100.

You and me... the ultimate showdown! }:D

But, what do I get if I win? :D

jack0177057
07-12-2011, 02:00 PM
^ He was in control - in the first case he enjoyed the LD, so he got what he paid for and the second case he responded to what he thought was a genuine charity case (though it could have been a put-on).


LOL, he pretty much admitted that he wasn't...at least on certain occasions.

"In control", "not in control"... what does it matter? The point is that in the first example, the dancer got me to change my mind about her. Call it hustle or call it seduction,... I enjoyed it. She seduced me with her mind, more than her body.

The second example was a charity case, and I should have just handed her the money without going to the VIP area, because the dance did nothing for me. I do feel sorry for her, though. Pity is not sexy...

To some extent, I am always "in control," because I never use a bank card or credit card. I bring cash with me, and what money I bring in my pocket is ALL I will spend. But, on the other hand, the whole purpose of going to the SC is to "lose control" - I want to experience a seduction. I want to touch and be touched (no happy endings, but LOTS of contact) to the point of being intoxicated with lust. The SC is supposed to be an escape from "control".

goddesskali
07-13-2011, 03:23 PM
^ Maybe you didn't do it right. Its not like innocent-best-friend-that-reminds-me-of-my-little-sister, its more like flirtateous best friend... Some subtle flirtation, some light touching, smiling, eye contact, etc.

It has nothing to do with that. Its about giving away time for free. Once someone is given free attention, they wont pay for it. Many dancers set a time limit for how much they will dedicate to a sale.

Hopper
07-13-2011, 10:42 PM
^ Makes sense. Which is why I thought this dancer who sat with me really was just sitting it out for the night. She would not have been expecting me to tip her (not a popular custom here) and with her looks she could have been making real money in that time.

yoda57us
07-14-2011, 07:10 AM
The SC is supposed to be an escape from "control".

Well, whatever works for you Jack. I went through a period of not being "in control" in the clubs. Looking back it was self-destructive and expensive. I have a great time now but I never turn my common sense over to anyone...

rickdugan
07-14-2011, 07:21 AM
"In control", "not in control"... what does it matter? The point is that in the first example, the dancer got me to change my mind about her. Call it hustle or call it seduction,... I enjoyed it. She seduced me with her mind, more than her body.

The second example was a charity case, and I should have just handed her the money without going to the VIP area, because the dance did nothing for me. I do feel sorry for her, though. Pity is not sexy...

To some extent, I am always "in control," because I never use a bank card or credit card. I bring cash with me, and what money I bring in my pocket is ALL I will spend. But, on the other hand, the whole purpose of going to the SC is to "lose control" - I want to experience a seduction. I want to touch and be touched (no happy endings, but LOTS of contact) to the point of being intoxicated with lust. The SC is supposed to be an escape from "control".

Jack, it's your money so if you want to spend it on girls that need to work you for a while to convince you to spend it or, even worse, pity VIP trips, then go yee forth. :P

I have to say, however, that I am more in yoda's camp on the whole control front. I look for specific things from a dancer and don't spend money on girls that I don't like, period. I also don't reward bad behavior under any circumstances and IMO heavy handed hustles and pity plays fall squarely into that category.

Anyway, just my :twocents:

JayATee
07-14-2011, 03:33 PM
^ Is that a challenge?... I'll take you up on it - if you can hustle 5 dances out of me, I'll tip you an extra $100.

You and me... the ultimate showdown! }:D

But, what do I get if I win? :D

Ugh no it's not a challenge. What are you, 12? ::)

Hopper
07-14-2011, 09:48 PM
"In control", "not in control"... what does it matter? The point is that in the first example, the dancer got me to change my mind about her. Call it hustle or call it seduction,... I enjoyed it. She seduced me with her mind, more than her body.

The second example was a charity case, and I should have just handed her the money without going to the VIP area, because the dance did nothing for me. I do feel sorry for her, though. Pity is not sexy...

To some extent, I am always "in control," because I never use a bank card or credit card. I bring cash with me, and what money I bring in my pocket is ALL I will spend. But, on the other hand, the whole purpose of going to the SC is to "lose control" - I want to experience a seduction. I want to touch and be touched (no happy endings, but LOTS of contact) to the point of being intoxicated with lust. The SC is supposed to be an escape from "control".


Well, whatever works for you Jack. I went through a period of not being "in control" in the clubs. Looking back it was self-destructive and expensive. I have a great time now but I never turn my common sense over to anyone...


Jack, it's your money so if you want to spend it on girls that need to work you for a while to convince you to spend it or, even worse, pity VIP trips, then go yee forth. :P

I have to say, however, that I am more in yoda's camp on the whole control front. I look for specific things from a dancer and don't spend money on girls that I don't like, period. I also don't reward bad behavior under any circumstances and IMO heavy handed hustles and pity plays fall squarely into that category.

Anyway, just my :twocents:

You are both being pedantic here. Obviously Jack doesn't mean "lose control" in the sense of buying things he doesn't like, if he is spending money on dancers who turn him on (whatever way they do that). He's not saying he spends it with his eyes closed. You can spend money on dancers you like and still use your judgement. In fact, you can't choose dancers you like without using your judgement. The pity case wasn't a dancer he liked, but he still freely chose to give her an LD, just for a different reason.

I also don't think that if a dancer has to "work on me" for a while to persuade me to spend on her that it necessarily means I don't really like her. For just one example, I was approached by a dancer one night and decided she was not for me. She didn't spend time "working on me" but she played on my mind over a few months between visits and the next time I saw her at that club I asked her for an LD. Not only that, but once naked on my lap she exceeded the expectations I had of her in terms of physical attractiveness from when I saw her in her dress. Although I didn't like her immediately on first meeting her, she is one of the hottest girls I have ever met. I guess you call that a "slow burner", though if had a LD from her the night I met her it would have happened that same night. I often dramatically change my mind about girls I don't immediately find attractive.

yoda57us
07-15-2011, 06:05 AM
You are both being pedantic here. Obviously Jack doesn't mean "lose control" in the sense of buying things he doesn't like, if he is spending money on dancers who turn him on (whatever way they do that). He's not saying he spends it with his eyes closed.

LOL, There is nothing "obvious" about anything in Jack's posts as far as I'm concerned...

jack0177057
07-18-2011, 04:18 PM
It has nothing to do with that. Its about giving away time for free. Once someone is given free attention, they wont pay for it. Many dancers set a time limit for how much they will dedicate to a sale.

This may be true in a no-contact or low-contact club.

Chatting with a sexy dancer is nice,... but getting a spectacular high-contact lap dance from her is EFFING AWESOME! I don't see how the chat could be a substitute for the lap dance. (Unless she is sitting on his lap and making lots of contact during the chat.)

jack0177057
07-18-2011, 04:31 PM
I often dramatically change my mind about girls I don't immediately find attractive.

I am very visual and superficial in the club. I base my decisions on looks about 98% of the time. But, I am very thankful to that 2% whom I was not immediately attracted to, but used "hustle" tricks and seduction magic to lure me in with their intellect. Sometimes, this experience ends up being better, because they have turned me on on some deeper level.

But, I still continue to discriminate based on looks. The ones that get past the initial rejection and then, manage to change my mind, are very few and far-in-between. Persistence alone is not a winner. If they can't turn me on, all the persistence in the world will be wasted on me. The charity case was the one and only time I let persistence win.

jack0177057
07-18-2011, 04:32 PM
Ugh no it's not a challenge. What are you, 12? ::)

Scaredy-cat, scaredy-cat, scaredy-cat, scaredy-cat... You know I'd win. :D

But, losing wouldn't be too bad. ;)

Hopper
07-18-2011, 07:09 PM
I am very visual and superficial in the club. I base my decisions on looks about 98% of the time. But, I am very thankful to that 2% whom I was not immediately attracted to, but used "hustle" tricks and seduction magic to lure me in with their intellect. Sometimes, this experience ends up being better, because they have turned me on on some deeper level.

But, I still continue to discriminate based on looks. The ones that get past the initial rejection and then, manage to change my mind, are very few and far-in-between. Persistence alone is not a winner. If they can't turn me on, all the persistence in the world will be wasted on me. The charity case was the one and only time I let persistence win.

I go on physical attributes as well, in both SCs and IRL. But personality can make a big difference. In the instance I described, it was her body that changed my mind - I just didn't get a good enough look at her during the hustle, since she was wearing a dress. I have often found that stripper outfits can hide a lot, as with regular clothes. Often they are no more revealing than regular clothes. This is one reason many strippers can fail in first impressions but win on closer inspection. My misjudgement has also gone the other way, for the same reason - bought a LD from a stipper who looked okay and then she disappointed me during the LD.

Davey17
07-24-2011, 06:18 AM
I go on physical attributes as well, in both SCs and IRL. But personality can make a big difference. In the instance I described, it was her body that changed my mind - I just didn't get a good enough look at her during the hustle, since she was wearing a dress. I have often found that stripper outfits can hide a lot, as with regular clothes. Often they are no more revealing than regular clothes. This is one reason many strippers can fail in first impressions but win on closer inspection. My misjudgement has also gone the other way, for the same reason - bought a LD from a stipper who looked okay and then she disappointed me during the LD.


So true ... you can only go on " gut feel " appearance , first impressions , for me in Australia where we get a few touring , I also go on Nationality ..which I have learned though experience .

The word " Hustle " although I understand your meaning ..does certainly NOT translate well here at all , It implies some form of Rip - off .

Im rarely wrong ..although I have been on occassion , giving the Odd sympathy dance ..that ended far from Sypathetic , I have also been incorrect the other way ..Im now extremely cautious with dancers from the UK ( sorry ) , things must be VERY different over there . On the positive dancers from Sweeden , have exceeded ( well and truly ) expection to the positive . With Aussies , Im nearly always correct , I have my girls ... and unfortunately there are some very poor dancers , who wouldn't know what sensuality was ..they will only ever snag money from a stupid drunk punter who has no idea .

It is , as said before ..like any profession and everyone is different ..the good and the Bad ..pick your mark , and really encourage those who know what they are doing , for there sare some incredible dancers out there .:D