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xdamage
01-14-2010, 03:40 PM
^^^ Somehow I never imagined what Linux or Firefox have to offer as an "extra" but more like what I would expect of an operating system or browser. Like security for one. Or fundamental processes one cannot do without (like pipes and links that actually do things).

Right, but look at it like this.

If you were in business and your competitors were offering more for less, how would you feel? Well, Microsoft doesn't love these give aways. It sucks for them. But it is good for the rest of us.

Microsoft would care a lot less if Firefox and Linux were priced comparably to their own offering. That they could at least compete with that and continue to rake in the high prices they previously enjoyed. But these competitors change the mindset for everyone. Everyone starts thinking, hmmm, maybe software should be FREE???? Such is life. There are no laws requiring fair competition in that arena yet. You want to give it away, go for it.

You could say well, Microsoft should have put all that other stuff in. And that is not a lot different then customers who feel, and they should also get sex at a SC because hey, why should they accept less when more is possible, even for less money?

And seems to me that is the key problem for most "clean" dancers. They don't want to compete with newer dancers or older dancers who are giving away sex for the same prices, or in the same location, as their clean dances. But increasingly it is happening. Even if they don't approve of laws that limit sex, they don't want the competition.

And the only thing stopping it is laws that limit our civil rights. Laws that were lifted in RI and the Netherlands, and after decriminalization, well you can see how badly it hurt the "clean" dancers when the government completely gets out of the business of telling people who they can sell sex too.

I honestly don't see though how the success bubble that the SC industry enjoyed in the past can go on, not if we ever finally come to grip with these laws limiting people's rights to what they want with their own bodies. Lift those laws and it seems to me that the RI and Netherlands situation will repeat itself.

xdamage
01-14-2010, 10:22 PM
And as the extras have increased, it has reduced the tendency for a 'respectable' man to go to SC's. Who wants to take stick about going to a venue where there the extras are blatant.

BTW Phil, I get this.

It's one reason I go less. I feel like shit when I do go, even though I have strong limits, but even my SO knows that SCs are not simply clean fun anymore, and guys can get sex.

But you have to keep in mind that we are dinosaurs too.

That newer generations have different attitudes, and just as there are hundreds of ways that we shock our parents, and likewise our own kids shock us, and they their kids.

The fact of the matter is if someone is going to cheat they can do it anywhere, including finding an escort in many places. At some point it still comes down to whether or not you trust your partner. Newer generations will have to cope, and decide if they can trust their partners in the face of endless pornography, opportunities for casual sex, etc. A customer can go to a SC and say NO. Some do. Some don't. Then again many don't outside of the SC.

And for all we know, future generations will come to laugh at the whole notion of "respectable" as you and I might think of it. Hey, Cyril got reemed for the whole, "I'm a respectable man, too good to be seen around strippers thing". Whatever your definition of respectable, society is always redefining it, and us older guys eventually stop going or die. So it matters, for a time, but not necessarily indefinitely.

Hey, I use to struggle with the amount of porn my SO read, called Romance novels, but to me they were fuck novels. Respectable women didn't read such things. These days it's the opposite. I couldn't care any less then I do, and she finds it bothersome when I view internet porn. Nobody respectable would view such things. Times change. People change.

Smokeless
01-14-2010, 10:49 PM
Right, but look at it like this.

Blah blah blah ::) ....

... Lift those laws and it seems to me that the RI and Netherlands situation will repeat itself.

I don't believe you took my note seriously! It was merely an opportunity for Microsoft bashing that I couldn't resist.

(Seriously, you are right to a certain extent, but I don't think it matters. Things swing. Laws swing. Law enforcement swings. Customs swing. Which ever side of the equation we inhabit, we all take advantage of the current situation, either charging more for less, or enjoying more for less. And everyone, in whatever market they fall, whether buy or sell, if they are a good customer or a good salesperson, tests the limits of the market.)

JoeUnCool
01-15-2010, 06:51 AM
I feel like I'm cheating when I use my Mac.............

KS_Stevia
01-15-2010, 09:45 AM
I'm using Google Chrome now. And I feel like I'm cheating on Firefox.

Also, I'm getting a new laptop soon, and may actually have to PAY for MS Office, for the first time EVER.

Somehow I can't tie that into club extras. ;)

yoda57us
01-15-2010, 05:43 PM
^^^

Well I have to laugh at Rhode Island. For the last 30 years a loophole has made prostitution legal. Now just recently they closed the loophole. Why?

so RI, how does it compare, crime wise with other states?

RI ends up on the 10 safest list. Search for Ten Safest States for Murder, 2003.



Well, OK, but there are a few things you should know about the situation in Lil' Rhody that didn't make it onto stat sheets...

In 2003, when the stats you are referring to were compiled, no one other than the police were all that aware that indoor prostitution was legal in the state. The loophole, though it had existed since the 70's, was not widely known about until 2005 when a lawyer for a busted AMP girl successfully got her arrest overturned based on the loophole. Most (no, not all) of the prostitution going on in RI was and still is street walking-which has been illegal all along. Craig's List low end hookers made a dent in the street walking for a while but now that LE is conducting CL stings that will no doubt send the low end trade back to the street corners...

The big change in RI after the loophole got publicized was in the strip clubs many of which became not much more than brothels. Due largely to economic factors, very few touring escorts or even New England based ladies chose visit RI to exploit the loophole but went to illegal NYC, Boston and Hartford instead because those cities are where the money is. As anyone who is involved with escorts will tell you, the danger of arrest is minimal if things are kept low key and discreet.

By the way, Nevada, which had extremely well publicized legal prostitution in 2003, was the state with the fourth highest murder rate in the country...

Chili Palmer
01-15-2010, 11:47 PM
Well, OK, but there are a few things you should know about the situation in Lil' Rhody that didn't make it onto stat sheets...

In 2003, when the stats you are referring to were compiled, no one other than the police were all that aware that indoor prostitution was legal in the state. The loophole, though it had existed since the 70's, was not widely known about until 2005 when a lawyer for a busted AMP girl successfully got her arrest overturned based on the loophole. Most (no, not all) of the prostitution going on in RI was and still is street walking-which has been illegal all along. Craig's List low end hookers made a dent in the street walking for a while but now that LE is conducting CL stings that will no doubt send the low end trade back to the street corners...

The big change in RI after the loophole got publicized was in the strip clubs many of which became not much more than brothels. Due largely to economic factors, very few touring escorts or even New England based ladies chose visit RI to exploit the loophole but went to illegal NYC, Boston and Hartford instead because those cities are where the money is. As anyone who is involved with escorts will tell you, the danger of arrest is minimal if things are kept low key and discreet.

By the way, Nevada, which had extremely well publicized legal prostitution in 2003, was the state with the fourth highest murder rate in the country...

Ouchies! Looks like xdamage be

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/chilipalmer99/pwned4.jpg

Game, set, match to yoda.

CP

xdamage
01-16-2010, 12:40 AM
Well, OK, but there are a few things you should know about the situation in Lil' Rhody that didn't make it onto stat sheets...

In 2003, when the stats you are referring to were compiled, no one other than the police were all that aware that indoor prostitution was legal in the state. The loophole, though it had existed since the 70's, was not widely known about until 2005 when a lawyer for a busted AMP girl successfully got her arrest overturned based on the loophole. Most (no, not all) of the prostitution going on in RI was and still is street walking-which has been illegal all along. Craig's List low end hookers made a dent in the street walking for a while but now that LE is conducting CL stings that will no doubt send the low end trade back to the street corners...

The big change in RI after the loophole got publicized was in the strip clubs many of which became not much more than brothels. Due largely to economic factors, very few touring escorts or even New England based ladies chose visit RI to exploit the loophole but went to illegal NYC, Boston and Hartford instead because those cities are where the money is. As anyone who is involved with escorts will tell you, the danger of arrest is minimal if things are kept low key and discreet.

By the way, Nevada, which had extremely well publicized legal prostitution in 2003, was the state with the fourth highest murder rate in the country...

Actually prostitution is only legal in one county in Nevada, and it is not decriminalized but legalized. There is a huge difference. There is also a large gambling industry, which has people racking up large debts and is a major variable.

However since Nevada is far surpassed in crime (and murder) by states where prostitution is illegal, you greatly mis-unuderstood, but most people do so no fault to you.

The point is that stats show no correlation between decriminalized prostitution and crime.

As to your history of RI, your time line does not jive with the history on the wiki, which has hopefully been read and checked my multiple people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Rhode_Island

It was 2003 when the case was won that you may be thinking of, but 1998 when the state supreme court ruled. If the police were still arresting people after that, well, that is a far worse crime then the prostitution ever was.

However if you have stats showing a correlated increase in crime post decriminalized prostitution, that would be interesting. There has been some of that coming out of the Netherlands, though it is not clear if it is the prostitution so much as legalized marijuana and proliferation of so many other drugs that leaves people acting stupid in public.

xdamage
01-16-2010, 12:42 AM
(Seriously, you are right to a certain extent, but I don't think it matters. Things swing. Laws swing. Law enforcement swings. Customs swing. Which ever side of the equation we inhabit, we all take advantage of the current situation, either charging more for less, or enjoying more for less. And everyone, in whatever market they fall, whether buy or sell, if they are a good customer or a good salesperson, tests the limits of the market.)

Exactly ;)

xdamage
01-16-2010, 01:15 AM
Ouchies! Looks like

Game, set, match to yoda.

CP

Hey, if you ever find yourself arrested at a SC for touching a dancer, because the police feel it is their job to arrest you, whether or not the law actually is clear on the matter, it will all seem less funny why the RI situation sucked. You will be another statistic adding to the criminal element of the society, and the moral corruption that RI wants stopped.

When even the police don't know their own laws or law makers feel it is their job to enforce their personal morals despite the law, it all seems less humorous when one is personally arrested and has to defend oneself. That the prostitutes in question even needed to hire a lawyer is a huge crime that our society tolerates.

But then likewise, even if the law is murky (as it is in many cities), and one is arrested for contact with a stripper, whether or not one is actually engaging in intercourse, it only then becomes crystal clear what the whole thing means. Your body, your adult choice, her body, her choice, you both go to jail and have to deal with the consequences of that, for what?

Yoda missed the more important point, and while you got your jollies, apparently you did as well. The real point only becomes crystal clear the moment one is arrested, and a lot of dancers even on this site are engaging in levels of contact that go well beyond what the law allows, but don't think of themselves as prostitutes like those extras girls. They also won't really get why the laws suck until/if they are arrested for using their own bodies how they want, in a way that really hurts nobody, but other dancers who wish the bar was lower.

It remains unfortunate how many dancers, who benefit from increased open laws that allow them to strip at their comfort level for a living, are just as bad as the morally correct, when it comes to prostitution. They simply want it prohibited because some other girl is making money by contributing to expectations, even if at the same time they don't want their own boundaries to be illegalized or prohibited, forgetting that there are dancers and the moral right who think them as prostitutes who should be arrested as well, dancers who engage in high levels of contact that is legally prostitution in much of the USA.

Actually I like a lot of your posts CP, but the key point I am making remains a valid one. If it was lost on you or you wanted to self-ego-stroke, I hope you enjoyed it for your own sake.

xdamage
01-16-2010, 02:17 AM
The big change in RI after the loophole got publicized was in the strip clubs many of which became not much more than brothels. Due largely to economic factors, very few touring escorts or even New England based ladies chose visit RI to exploit the loophole but went to illegal NYC, Boston and Hartford instead because those cities are where the money is.

BTW, yea, that was a key point. Decriminalize prostitution, and that is what happens to strip clubs. It is also what happened in NL, there are virtually no SCs left, since you can just go to a prostitute and she can do everything a stripper can do, and more. Nevada is legalized and that means the government is still telling people what they can do with their bodies, but decriminalize it, get the government out of it, and that is very different.

The problem is sex workers actually profit from the fact that this business has a degree of illegality. It keeps the supply and demand ratio high. Kind of the way the illegality of drugs keeps the prices high for recreational drugs.

The problem is two fold.

First, prostitution is mostly a business for the young. Where in other businesses your experience matters, age is increasingly a liability among sex workers. That means, you can only build up so much long term viability as a worker, but after 40 it gets harder fast; younger workers with increasingly liberal attitudes are always joining the work force.

Second, there are very low entry requirements. Mostly willingness and reasonable looks, girl next door looks if adequate, to enter the business, for which the potential profits are quite high.

So you can be 18, girl next door looks, no training, and make hundreds or thousands per day, set your own hours. What keeps the competition from running rampant is some mix of illegality, social stigma, and gross-out factor. At least the first two of which sex workers argue they wish would go away, but when they do, they find the market is rapidly swamped with competition. Gross out factor - one can pick and choose one's clients at least, but the other factors depend on societies stance.

And that is a common thread on SW. The dancers don't want the illegality or stigma, but at the same time they also don't want yet more women entering this business and causing the pie to be cut even thinner. They want to be able to compete within their own personal limits (even if that is higher then their co-workers) but they don't want the laws and norms to suddenly up the bar to the point where prostitution is entirely decriminalized and commonly practiced in the clubs. Many would love the clubs to hire less girls, but they don't mean fire themselves.

All of that is fine. Nothing will change. Just given the trends so far, where will the SCs be in this country in 20 more years? Probably the vast majority legal, or at least tolerated, brothels.

mr_punk
01-16-2010, 07:25 AM
"Jousting?" is that what you'd call it? I would have thought "verbal jousting" suggesting there being some wit or cleverness involved. As far as I can see, MP just seems to be your typical uncreative misogynist who spews very typical and uninspired anti-woman ramblings, and then when he gets the same negativity in return points fingers and says "see!? see!?" to validate his bitterness.jousting, misogynist, bitterness? lol..you're all over the map, honey. it's called gloating as in, "mr_punk is gleefully gloats at another cycle of SW stupidity". BTW, who are these strippers? i see she has over 2000 thousand posts since 97, but i can't recall the broad at all.

I believe you could joust with the best of them. Punk is at a low point and I think you should challenge himLOL....the post Big Bang population seems mostly comprised of former bench warmers and third-stringers crawling out from the rubble like cockroaches. i don't think you're going to find the next great white hope in the trash heap, FBR.

yoda57us
01-16-2010, 09:32 AM
The point is that stats show no correlation between decriminalized prostitution and crime.


Actually X that was my point.

whitelight97402
01-16-2010, 11:07 AM
The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.

love it.


Just given the trends so far, where will the SCs be in this country in 20 more years?

Probably the vast majority legal, or at least tolerated, brothels.

Agreed 100%.

Chili Palmer
01-19-2010, 08:35 PM
Hey, if you ever find yourself arrested at a SC for touching a dancer, because the police feel it is their job to arrest you, whether or not the law actually is clear on the matter, it will all seem less funny why the RI situation sucked. You will be another statistic adding to the criminal element of the society, and the moral corruption that RI wants stopped.

When even the police don't know their own laws or law makers feel it is their job to enforce their personal morals despite the law, it all seems less humorous when one is personally arrested and has to defend oneself. That the prostitutes in question even needed to hire a lawyer is a huge crime that our society tolerates.

But then likewise, even if the law is murky (as it is in many cities), and one is arrested for contact with a stripper, whether or not one is actually engaging in intercourse, it only then becomes crystal clear what the whole thing means. Your body, your adult choice, her body, her choice, you both go to jail and have to deal with the consequences of that, for what?

Yoda missed the more important point, and while you got your jollies, apparently you did as well. The real point only becomes crystal clear the moment one is arrested, and a lot of dancers even on this site are engaging in levels of contact that go well beyond what the law allows, but don't think of themselves as prostitutes like those extras girls. They also won't really get why the laws suck until/if they are arrested for using their own bodies how they want, in a way that really hurts nobody, but other dancers who wish the bar was lower.

It remains unfortunate how many dancers, who benefit from increased open laws that allow them to strip at their comfort level for a living, are just as bad as the morally correct, when it comes to prostitution. They simply want it prohibited because some other girl is making money by contributing to expectations, even if at the same time they don't want their own boundaries to be illegalized or prohibited, forgetting that there are dancers and the moral right who think them as prostitutes who should be arrested as well, dancers who engage in high levels of contact that is legally prostitution in much of the USA.

Actually I like a lot of your posts CP, but the key point I am making remains a valid one. If it was lost on you or you wanted to self-ego-stroke, I hope you enjoyed it for your own sake.

Actually, I did, and thank you for the compliment in the last paragraph.

The problem (in my opinion, of course), xdamage, is that you tend to engage in hypotheticals and "what ifs" rather than what reality truly is. The level of pedantry in many of your posts is often immeasurable, it is so overwhelming.

In this case, you're talking about a situation in a state about which you have no first hand knowledge whatsoever, and you juggled a few facts and statistics to try and support your theory re: the existing laws about contact. Yoda, who actually lived through the situation you are trying to use to support your beliefs, shredded your statements with actual first-hand knowledge of the events in question. It kind of reminds me of a former operations manager at a company I worked for, who also conducted the sales meetings. All of the salesmen at these meeting had been formally trained using the system provided by our national sales & marketing partner, and most of 'em were mad dog killer successful salesmen (our company back then consistently occupied 4 or 5 of the top 10 national sales positions every month) but the ops manager had neither the formal training nor any actual usage or track record of sales success. As you might expect, the sales meetings were a weekly abortion, because no one cared about what he (the ops manager) had to say about raising average tickets or closing rates, as he had never done it himself. Like my old sales associates, I'll take the real world experience of someone like Yoda over book learnin' any day of the week.

To cite an another instance perhaps even closer to us, there's a reason men are no longer allowed to post in Club Chat or Hustle Hut on the pink side. Why? Because no matter how smart we think we are or how much we think we know, as far as the dancers here are concerned, we are completely full of shit because none of our "knowledge" was acquired through actually being a dancer. It's all theory extrapolated through the prism of our experiences as customers (or, in Phil-W's case, through being the bestest buddy any dancer could ever hope to have or want to have), not through actually being a dancer.

As for the crux of your argument, just who is getting arrested at strip clubs anyway? Whether laws or lax or strict, where are these arrests happening? Speaking anecdotally from my own personal experience, I've done just about every depraved act one could think of in dozens of strip clubs, with hundreds of dancers, encompassing thousands of dances, often within mere miles of a sheriff's substation, and I haven't received a friggin' parking ticket in 20 years, much less been cited for lewd behavior and/or solicitation. When I still lived in LA, I belonged to a very private hobbyist website, where we exchanged reviews and stories about escorts and strippers you'll never find anywhere else, so my anecdotal experiences are now multiplied by 40 more of the horndoggin'est horndoggers to walk the earth, and the only (two) arrests within that group both involved madams, not strippers.

The reality is, in most cases simply touching a dancer or a dancer touching us anywhere is against the law, yet where are the arrests? When LA changed its laws to "outlaw" lapdances a few years ago, the only thing that changed vis-a-vis contact was now we had to put friggin' tokens into a machine if we wanted a bed dance at a Deja Vu. I'm living in a city (Phoenix) that has an absolute maniac for a Sheriff (Joe Arpaio), yet during his (too long) tenure Driving While Brown has become an offense punishable by death, yet mileage here has increased exponentially. And these are two of five largest cities in the US. Your theories simply don't hold water. In a day and age where vice squads routinely stake out Craigslist ads for easy prostitution busts, there's little profit for budget-strapped police departments to spend the time and effort it would take to catch one dancer doing some stickshifting to one customer. Yawn.

Finally, what do you base your belief that strip clubs in 20 years will become "tolerated brothels"? Aside from your own personal belief structure, can you please name me one national politician who speaks for strip clubs and strippers? This is possibly your most absurd supposition to date, and that is really saying something. Regardless of the party in power, laws in city after city and state after state are becoming more, not less intrusive. Fewer and fewer clubs are opening, and more are closing their doors forever, and that's not just because of the current economy, it's because cities have figured out more and better ways to legally restrict their business operations (google the city of Pico Rivera vs. Imperial Showgirls for a great example).

I guess the reason why I chose to make such a flippant post is because you are so damn serious and earnest on this site. You actually think anyone here cares about the anthropological or sociological (or any other -ogical) implications of lapdances. We don't. We want hot chicks giving good dances (or good conversation, for those so inclined) and we want to hear and share those stories with each other. I honestly (truly) do not understand why someone such as yourself who has posted he doesn't like strip clubs anymore and rarely goes to one keeps coming back to a site about strip clubs to write 5,000 word screeds lecturing one and all. Surely you have better things to do with your time, and more receptive audiences elsewhere.

CP

yoda57us
01-20-2010, 06:08 PM
Well said Chili. Brilliant actually!

JayATee
01-27-2010, 01:54 PM
Ok... I have to say it... CP if you're ever in NY would you come see me pleeeeeeease?? I just wanna hear you talk.... ;)

Chili Palmer
01-27-2010, 03:38 PM
Ok... I have to say it... CP if you're ever in NY would you come see me pleeeeeeease?? I just wanna hear you talk.... ;)

:D It's a date, Jayatee.

And thank you, yoda, for the kind words.

CP

Jessie_tinydancer
02-04-2010, 09:25 PM
See I am actually in shock when I read some of that extras stuff. In my state you cannot do lap dances and in my club there is a camera in every single private room. You are technically not even allowed to hug a customer fully clothed. So there are no extras at all going on in my club. I have worked in some dirty clubs in this state but I never ever saw a BJ or HJ or something like that. Maybe kissing or lap dances, but that's all. In the dirty clubs you can book girls out to leave with you so I assume all that nasty stuff happens then. Other states I worked in allowed LD but again no touching at all and cameras and security. I guess since prostitution is legal it stays in the brothels and streets not in the clubs. Girls definitely see guys OTC and do whatever, but technically they would get fired if the boss found out. My boss has fired several girls for things I would consider minor offenses. So ya there are clean clubs in this world... trust me.

Chili Palmer
02-04-2010, 10:37 PM
See I am actually in shock when I read some of that extras stuff. In my state you cannot do lap dances and in my club there is a camera in every single private room. You are technically not even allowed to hug a customer fully clothed. So there are no extras at all going on in my club. I have worked in some dirty clubs in this state but I never ever saw a BJ or HJ or something like that. Maybe kissing or lap dances, but that's all. In the dirty clubs you can book girls out to leave with you so I assume all that nasty stuff happens then. Other states I worked in allowed LD but again no touching at all and cameras and security. I guess since prostitution is legal it stays in the brothels and streets not in the clubs. Girls definitely see guys OTC and do whatever, but technically they would get fired if the boss found out. My boss has fired several girls for things I would consider minor offenses. So ya there are clean clubs in this world... trust me.

We're all pretty sure there are clean clubs in the world, Jesse, but no one is going to fly 8,000 miles to get an airdance in Melbourne.

OTOH, many of here travel the US frequently, or have travelled it in the past. Personally, I've had dances in California, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Missouri, Iowa and probably a couple of others I can't recall at the moment, and only in Florida (Orlando) did I leave a club without some type of mileage (voluntarily) performed on my person. Even in Iowa, in the dead of winter, sitting on a folding chair in the middle of an empty "VIP" room with a bouncer standing 15 feet away, my dancer still managed some stick shifting and feeding without getting either of us in trouble.

I don't really get overly concerned about cameras, either. A few years back, at one club in Orange County, California, "robe" dancers became the watchword for higher mileage activities, as they took to wearing floor length filmy gowns that covered up any and all nefarious activities going on. I've had dancers tell me which chair to sit in that was a blind spot, wear heavily starched mens' dress shirts as a top, or use hair curtains to mask their, uh, handiwork. That's not even counting the number of SC cameras that are actually broken, or have no one watching them, or those manning them have been paid off by the dancers in question to look the other way. America, what a country!

CP

Athenathefabulous
02-04-2010, 11:13 PM
OTOH, many of here travel the US frequently, or have travelled it in the past. Personally, I've had dances in California, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Missouri, Iowa and probably a couple of others I can't recall at the moment, and only in Florida (Orlando) did I leave a club without some type of mileage (voluntarily) performed on my person. Even in Iowa, in the dead of winter, sitting on a folding chair in the middle of an empty "VIP" room with a bouncer standing 15 feet away, my dancer still managed some stick shifting and feeding without getting either of us in trouble.


CP

sorry but i have to threadjack here:

when blues use the term stick shifting, does this mean grabbing of said stick over the pants or an actual hand job? If it means the latter, giving one 15 feet away from a bouncer is a very ballsy move. :O

hockeybobby
02-05-2010, 07:10 AM
I've always used that term for when a girl just feels you up outside the pants.

yoda57us
02-05-2010, 07:58 AM
So ya there are clean clubs in this world... trust me.

I think most of us realize this. The US is not that different from what you are talking about in Australia. Laws vary by state, county and city all over the country. In my home state you can get everything form a 3' rule air dance to full service in some VIP rooms or OTC. Prostitution is illegal in most of the US but I honestly don't think that has much to do with what goes on in a dirty club. Last week I was in Miami and visited a downtown strip club in the early afternoon on a day off from work. There were only two "dancers" in the club. Both were in street cloths and sitting at the bar with their pimps. Both approached me and asked me if I wanted to go to VIP with them. No dancers were actually on stage. Clearly these two ladies were hookers looking for business in the middle of the afternoon in a city where prostitution is not legal.

As I said, most of us understand that there are all types of clubs and all kinds of dancers.

Jessie_tinydancer
02-05-2010, 10:51 AM
We're all pretty sure there are clean clubs in the world, Jesse, but no one is going to fly 8,000 miles to get an airdance in Melbourne.

OTOH, many of here travel the US frequently, or have travelled it in the past. Personally, I've had dances in California, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Missouri, Iowa and probably a couple of others I can't recall at the moment, and only in Florida (Orlando) did I leave a club without some type of mileage (voluntarily) performed on my person. Even in Iowa, in the dead of winter, sitting on a folding chair in the middle of an empty "VIP" room with a bouncer standing 15 feet away, my dancer still managed some stick shifting and feeding without getting either of us in trouble.

I don't really get overly concerned about cameras, either. A few years back, at one club in Orange County, California, "robe" dancers became the watchword for higher mileage activities, as they took to wearing floor length filmy gowns that covered up any and all nefarious activities going on. I've had dancers tell me which chair to sit in that was a blind spot, wear heavily starched mens' dress shirts as a top, or use hair curtains to mask their, uh, handiwork. That's not even counting the number of SC cameras that are actually broken, or have no one watching them, or those manning them have been paid off by the dancers in question to look the other way. America, what a country!

CP


How nice for you. God bless America?? ::) Thankfully I haven't spent much time there.

Jessie_tinydancer
02-05-2010, 10:54 AM
I think most of us realize this. The US is not that different from what you are talking about in Australia. Laws vary by state, county and city all over the country. In my home state you can get everything form a 3' rule air dance to full service in some VIP rooms or OTC. Prostitution is illegal in most of the US but I honestly don't think that has much to do with what goes on in a dirty club. Last week I was in Miami and visited a downtown strip club in the early afternoon on a day off from work. There were only two "dancers" in the club. Both were in street cloths and sitting at the bar with their pimps. Both approached me and asked me if I wanted to go to VIP with them. No dancers were actually on stage. Clearly these two ladies were hookers looking for business in the middle of the afternoon in a city where prostitution is not legal.

As I said, most of us understand that there are all types of clubs and all kinds of dancers.

LOL I am saying you can't even do air dances. Literally I cannot even shake your hand... It is table top dancing and guys pay $90 for 15mins. And yes... guys spend it. Most do a min half hour. No every night is not fantastic but from what I have seen on this board money flows a little more freely here. This is why I run the other way whenever a customer says he's from the good ol US of A. I know there is no way in hell he is going to be happy. I direct them to the nearest brothel.

Athenathefabulous
02-05-2010, 01:12 PM
I've always used that term for when a girl just feels you up outside the pants.

thanks... thats what i thought it meant but i was unsure. i guess them im not as shocked about the dancer in CPs accounts 'stick shifting' while 15 ft away from the bouncer. now feeding? i have no idea what that means... you blues and your strip club jargon :shrug:


LOL I am saying you can't even do air dances. Literally I cannot even shake your hand... It is table top dancing and guys pay $90 for 15mins. And yes... guys spend it. Most do a min half hour. No every night is not fantastic but from what I have seen on this board money flows a little more freely here. This is why I run the other way whenever a customer says he's from the good ol US of A. I know there is no way in hell he is going to be happy. I direct them to the nearest brothel.

cant shake your hand with or without your clothes? in many states in the US, its illegal for any contact, even a hand shake, when the top comes off.... although of course this is not followed.

some reason this description reminds me of the scene in closer where natalie portman was dancing on that lit table in the room and kept saying "no touching". i loooove that scene. :)

yoda57us
02-05-2010, 03:01 PM
LOL I am saying you can't even do air dances. Literally I cannot even shake your hand... It is table top dancing and guys pay $90 for 15mins. And yes... guys spend it.

Well, believe it or not, that's how things were and still are in some parts of the US. Again, lol, we get it, we just don't like it...

The fact is guys in your part of the world are used to things being a certain way and they are used to paying for it. The same thing happens in the US on a regional basis. The guys who live in states where there is no contact will gladly pay for a $300 VIP room to sit with a girl and sip champagne while the guys in high contact regions will expect a blow job for the same or less money.

Jessie_tinydancer
02-06-2010, 12:04 AM
thanks... thats what i thought it meant but i was unsure. i guess them im not as shocked about the dancer in CPs accounts 'stick shifting' while 15 ft away from the bouncer. now feeding? i have no idea what that means... you blues and your strip club jargon :shrug:



cant shake your hand with or without your clothes? in many states in the US, its illegal for any contact, even a hand shake, when the top comes off.... although of course this is not followed.

some reason this description reminds me of the scene in closer where natalie portman was dancing on that lit table in the room and kept saying "no touching". i loooove that scene. :)

I'm pretty sure the law is that it is with clothes off only, but the management at my club will say something if you are constantly touching customers when you greet them. (I still do it and get told off regularly. I am sorry but when I meet someone I want to shake their bloody hand!) Management says that if the cops see you touching a customer even fully clothed on the floor the police issue an on the spot $1K fine to the club. LOL I think they just enforce the rule throughout so that girls can't say they are confused. I haven't seen closer but our rooms are little stages with a light on them and there are signs that say, "You can look, but you can't touch. You look, you go. By order of NSW police". LOL

I'd actually much prefer a LD that little stage is very confronting. They can see everything and the rooms are pretty bright. It is one of the brightest strip clubs Ive ever worked in.

Athenathefabulous
02-06-2010, 04:40 AM
I'm pretty sure the law is that it is with clothes off only, but the management at my club will say something if you are constantly touching customers when you greet them. (I still do it and get told off regularly. I am sorry but when I meet someone I want to shake their bloody hand!) Management says that if the cops see you touching a customer even fully clothed on the floor the police issue an on the spot $1K fine to the club. LOL I think they just enforce the rule throughout so that girls can't say they are confused. I haven't seen closer but our rooms are little stages with a light on them and there are signs that say, "You can look, but you can't touch. You look, you go. By order of NSW police". LOL

I'd actually much prefer a LD that little stage is very confronting. They can see everything and the rooms are pretty bright. It is one of the brightest strip clubs Ive ever worked in.

You havent seen it? Its worth watching... here is the scene in the strip club on youtube for your personal enjoyment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yax3yRG4D7Q

i love it....
PL: -starts crying- I know you feel the same
Stripper: you cant cry in here
PL: hold me, let me hold you
stripper: you're not allowed to touch

LOVE IT! ;D

Smokeless
02-06-2010, 08:44 AM
^^^ Hey, Athena, thanks for the snippit. Never seen the movie.

On topic: CP apparently is more attractive to the opposite sex than I. In Colorado the most I've experienced is a bit of stick shifting and feeding and some heavy kissing. All in the same club, same gal, in a city where I'd least expect it. In my regular club, the most that happens is some teasing with the nipples, "accidental" contact with them, no kissing. I might be able to give my dancer a neck or back rub, but only clothed.

hockeybobby
02-06-2010, 08:55 AM
thanks... thats what i thought it meant but i was unsure. i guess them im not as shocked about the dancer in CPs accounts 'stick shifting' while 15 ft away from the bouncer. now feeding? i have no idea what that means... you blues and your strip club jargon :shrug:


Ya no kidding. Feeding means being allowed to suck on/lick a girls boobs/nipples. It's such a retarded term. Just sounds so juvenile.

I don't look for that kind of stuff myself. I'd be leary of any dancer that offered it as well, I mean...who just got finished putting his spit on there?
But, whatev.

hb

sxcbbw
02-06-2010, 09:05 AM
Ya no kidding. Feeding means being allowed to suck on/lick a girls boobs/nipples. It's such a retarded term. Just sounds so juvenile.

I don't look for that kind of stuff myself. I'd be leary of any dancer that offered it as well, I mean...who just got finished putting his spit on there?
But, whatev.

hb

...AUGH. Is that what that means?! Ack! That just reminds me of my crazy ex that wanted me to lactate.

/shudder.

mr_punk
02-06-2010, 12:01 PM
This is why I run the other way whenever a customer says he's from the good ol US of A. I know there is no way in hell he is going to be happy. I direct them to the nearest brothel.ironically, all the aussie strippers i've met in the U.S. so far have been pretty nasty and i mean that in a good way. it must be something we put in the water.


Ya no kidding. Feeding means being allowed to suck on/lick a girls boobs/nipples. It's such a retarded term. Just sounds so juvenile.I don't look for that kind of stuff myself. I'd be leary of any dancer that offered it as well, I mean...who just got finished putting his spit on there? But, whatev.running into traffic may not be a good idea, but it didn't stop you. on second thought, actually it did (btw, i'm glad you're okay). anyway, how about we call it "suckling" so it won't ruffle your mature sensibilities??

hockeybobby
02-06-2010, 02:15 PM
running into traffic may not be a good idea, but it didn't stop you. on second thought, actually it did (btw, i'm glad you're okay). anyway, how about we call it "suckling" so it won't ruffle your mature sensibilities??

Hahaha....good one! :D

LOL @ suckling too!

Chili Palmer
02-06-2010, 03:40 PM
On topic: CP apparently is more attractive to the opposite sex than I. In Colorado the most I've experienced is a bit of stick shifting and feeding and some heavy kissing.

Nah, I just have a better looking wallet:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/chilipalmer99/bmfwallet.jpg

CP

FBR
02-06-2010, 03:44 PM
^ Ha! They don't want us for our money, they just want us ;)

FBR

Chili Palmer
02-06-2010, 04:37 PM
Ya no kidding. Feeding means being allowed to suck on/lick a girls boobs/nipples. It's such a retarded term. Just sounds so juvenile.

I don't look for that kind of stuff myself. I'd be leary of any dancer that offered it as well, I mean...who just got finished putting his spit on there?
But, whatev.

hb

::) Most dancers I know practice good hygiene:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/chilipalmer99/wet_wipes.jpg


Maybe Canadian dancers have these too, eh?

CP

hockeybobby
02-06-2010, 04:45 PM
Hey CP...if you feel reasonably certain that 100% of the dancers you deal with disinfect their girly bits before they dance for you....giddyup dude. Whatever turns your crank is A-ok. Just not for me.

Chili Palmer
02-06-2010, 08:33 PM
Just not for me.

I'll bet if they belonged to PJ it would be.

CP

hockeybobby
02-06-2010, 09:10 PM
Rascal!

JoeUnCool
02-07-2010, 01:20 PM
^ Ha! They don't want us for our money, they just want us ;)

FBR

Senility is the second thing to go.......

JoeUnCool
02-07-2010, 01:22 PM
If I didn't have a good idea of how much you spend, I'd bet that you are getting senile like FBR. Otherwise, I suspect that the majority of girls do not do that.


::) Most dancers I know practice good hygiene:

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/chilipalmer99/wet_wipes.jpg


Maybe Canadian dancers have these too, eh?

CP

FBR
02-07-2010, 01:45 PM
Senility is the second thing to go.......Joe, this comment makes no sense.

FBR

KS_Stevia
02-07-2010, 02:11 PM
I've always wet wiped..at least 2-3 times a shift! But not between every guy, no time. Just sayin....

All strippers know about wet wipes, most of them do it, many clubs have wet wipes in the dressing room or you can get one from the house mom.

When I worked in extras-heavy titty suckingland, I would go from guy to guy without wet wiping. The club was big and the DR was far. What did I care if the guy got a mouthful of previous custy saliva. They should have asked before attacking my nipples with their gross tongues.

FBR
02-07-2010, 02:19 PM
^ Are you saying that all the guys who attacked your nipples had gross tongues? Surely among the thousands there were few good men ;)

FBR

safado
02-07-2010, 02:20 PM
There is really no need to worry about a little saliva, don't fall for the pink side scare tactics. For those who are worried about it, after you are finished suckling you could have a shot of vodka or something else 80 proof to try and sterilize the skank out of your mouths. I would also recommend being up to date on your hepatitis vaccinations.

FBR
02-07-2010, 02:23 PM
I'd bet that you are getting senile like FBR.

Hey now, you are getting a little personal there, son. Other than my piss stream being a little less vigorous than it was, I am a picture of health.

FBR

evan_essence
02-08-2010, 09:09 AM
OMG, I leave and come back to find that this thread is like a microcosm of the existence of the entire site. Where to begin.


The pink side is like prison, everybody in there is innocent.OTOH, the blue side is like a hunting club. Everyone's bagged the big one.


It's all just words on a computer screen. From a customer's POV it's all very entertaining and that is really all it should be.The wisest thing I've read in the entire thread. Yoda is such an appropriate name for you.


Mr P is acting out because he misses Jenny. Understandable to those of us who have been here for years ;)<sigh> I was always the also-ran in the fight against Punk.


... The level of pedantry in many of your posts is often immeasurable, it is so overwhelming. ...

... You actually think anyone here cares about the anthropological or sociological (or any other -ogical) implications of lapdances.Bwahahahaha. You're bullying. Stop PWNing the socially impaired kids who compare strip clubs to computer operating systems.


Other than my piss stream being a little less vigorous than it was, I am a picture of healthTMI, hon. Well, at least you didn't talk about the vigor of your other stream.


i don't think you're going to find the next great white hope in the trash heap, FBR.Oh, sweetie, dampen the bravado. We all know you're just as jealous that you're not Chili as I am jealous that I'm not Jenny.

-Ev

Jessie_tinydancer
02-08-2010, 09:24 AM
There is really no need to worry about a little saliva, don't fall for the pink side scare tactics. For those who are worried about it, after you are finished suckling you could have a shot of vodka or something else 80 proof to try and sterilize the skank out of your mouths. I would also recommend being up to date on your hepatitis vaccinations.

I sadly have to agree with you on that one. Even though I'm pink. I also have no fear of saliva either. (Although I've never kissed or let a custie lick the nips). But I do kiss other dancers and ya... I don't think it's gross. It's love baby. I dont think kissing or sucking is gross in anyway I just refrain due to respect out of my fellow dancers and the law. Oh and 90% of the custies not bein hot enough. But ya I saw a few I wouldn't mind hooking up with in my day.

JoeUnCool
02-08-2010, 09:35 AM
Joe, this comment makes no sense.

FBR

My mind, or at least my typing skills, is about the fifth part of my body to quit working...........