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Lexi_Girl
01-12-2010, 10:47 AM
I have the day off today (and boy am I glad I do - two days in a row to start and I am HURTING ALL OVER!! That'll change though; I'm just out of shape) but I go in tomorrow. Gonna rest up today.

When you get home from work, go soak in a hot tub of epsom salt. It's amazing and it works.

Jennaaaaaa666
01-12-2010, 11:10 AM
beautiful face and beautiful boobies!! :)

Autumn Lily
01-12-2010, 12:06 PM
When you get home from work, go soak in a hot tub of epsom salt. It's amazing and it works.

Ooh I totally forgot about epsom baths. I'll be picking some up this afternoon and soaking before I go to bed tonight; thanks!

river
01-12-2010, 03:41 PM
hon, u r built like me, the guys will be too busy staring at ur big boobs to notice a less than flat tummy. esp with it being blue collar-alot of those guys like curves. (my tummy is less than flat, and my ass not very toned and kind of big, yet these guys only notice my big boobs and sat what t nice body/ass/ i have.)

Firewall
01-12-2010, 03:57 PM
That's awesome! Wish my first night was as busy ( or successful ) as yours! :) Keep it up!

mediocrity
01-14-2010, 01:31 AM
Tonight was a lot better. $190. Sold a ton of drinks and three dances.

Hehe... the lapdance story is an interesting one.

I had a salad for lunch and sat down with a customer and talked. He was real surprised I didn't start asking for money right off the bat. He asked me how long i'd been there and I said this was my second night. He asked me if I'd had a lapdance yet, I said "one, yesterday" so he asked me what he thought of it and I told him that apparently I'm a natural.

So I asked him if he wanted to help me get a little more experience in that department, and he thought about it and said "...When do you go on stage next?" "Here after this next girl." "I'll watch you on stage first before I decide."

So I get on stage, do my thing, shake my ass, all that. Come off, collect my tips, come back to him and say "Okay, we dancin'?" and he asks "...Yeah, I think we are." When the next song starts I take him back and tell him it's $30 per song and the money's required up front. And he just scoffs, "$30 for the first song?" "Nah, for EACH."

At this point I'm getting disheartened thinking he's gonna turn it down. Then he thumbs through his wallet, VERY slowly, shaking his head.I ask "Do you need change?" "Nah..."

He then holds up a $100 bill. "How many will this get me?"

"Guh... 3 dances and I'll owe you $10 in change."

So I start dancing, he's actually very nice about the whole thing. He asked me my rules (So long as it's no reaching under the clothing or in between the legs) and obeyed them the whole time.

Then when we're done I go to get his change and he shakes his head "keep it."

WOO.

Why on earth would you mention change?

Elvia
01-14-2010, 01:45 AM
Also, if you eat meat, chow down on some steak when you're aching. I tried all kinds of advice when I first started dancing and was in sooo much pain, and this healed my aching muscles more than anything.

Athenathefabulous
01-14-2010, 01:47 AM
im with mediocrity on this. thats a newbie mistake. you have to learn that you deserve more than the minimum price.

i went to a club in cleveland as a customer that has 10$ dances. i bought a dance off of this cute newbie, and gave her a 20 and told her to keep the change. then she said "oh are you sure? they are only 10$" I couldnt believe it! i am not one for giving unsolicited advice to girls at work, but i actually told her to never ask to give change back again. The next customer you get might not be as nice and might take back the 10$. You deserve that 10$ tip sweetie!

hot4ablackchick
01-14-2010, 01:33 PM
A few helpful hints:

When you are sitting with a clueless out of town guy or first timer who doesn't know how much dances are, lie to him. I'm assuming they are $20 where you are, tell him they're $30 or $40. In some places, $60 per dance is the norm, so $20 is considered cheap! If the guy comes back later and says, "Delicious over there only charged me $20, why did you charge so much?" Just say something along the lines of, "Well, look at her and look at me" or "We can charge whatever we want, that's my going rate ;)" This is actually true everywhere I've ever worked, management cannot enforce or tell you how much you can actually charge. They'll never come out and tell you this, but it's true. This may or may not be the case in your city, but find out.


I would say the rest of your advice was golden, EXCEPT for this. This is fucking terrible advice. Telling a newb to lie about dance prices is just not a good idea. Then advising her to insult the other dancers that aren't ripping off customers, by saying "Look at her and look at me." Horrible. Not only could this kind of behavior get you fired at a lot of clubs, but it can also come back to bite you in the ass. It is stated in our contracts that we can only sell dance prices for the club's set prices of $20, or whatever the special is when the DJ runs it. Even if its not in a contract, SC mgmt has fired girls for a lot less than overcharging.

It is not difficult for most customers to figure out what the dance prices really are, so lying about it just leaves most customers with a bad taste in their mouth. For instance just last week, I had a very nice marine get one dance with me (dances are $20) and then he paid me $40 because wherever he was from dances were $30 and he wanted to tip. When I told him that here they are only $20, he let me keep it, plus got another 3 dances later on and gave me another $20 tip. If I had let him believe that dances were $30 and he found out later, he probably would not have gotten any more dances with me, advised his buddies not to get a dance with me, and thought of me as rip off bitch. So I may have made an extra $20 initially, but I've lost his trust and any future money from this customer if he ever comes back in.

Another instance was a girl who got called over by a group of really cool customers. She was asked to give one of their buddies a 2 for $30 when he returned from the bathroom. They paid her upfront, and when the guy came back she led him back there and did the dance. Afterwards the guy (not knowing one of his buddies already paid) asked her what he owed, and she said $30. He paid her $40 and returned to the table. Well he must have found out somehow, because when I sat with the group they complained about how fucked up it was that she did that. These guys were very nice too, so I felt bad myself. They had probably spent about $100 between the 5 of them on this girl, so they felt taken advantage of. Her loss was my gain, because I now had their undivided attention and made substantial money off these guys since they were only really interested in me and her. Now that she lost their trust, I was the new fave. She could have made 3-4 hundred more off this group, but instead she sold herself out for an extra $40. Do you think this group will be buying from her when they return? Nope.

The art of selling is establishing trust. Once you lose that you lose it all.

lilmisssunshine
01-14-2010, 02:05 PM
Hot4ablackchick, I agree ripping off customer is what gives strippers a bad name and makes it for the rest of us who are honest to actually make sales. Ironically, some of those who bitch loudest in here about extras are also quick to admit how they would rip off a customer in a heart beat and then tell you it's only the right thing to do. Just like extras girls, you are just making things harder and causing men not to trust us. This advice is especially bad in a blue collar bar where men are more likely to start a fight. This will get you known for being the girl that starts shit. You will earn a bad reputation and management won't think twice to fire you the next time shit goes down. Do you really think manangement feels like backing up lying bitches all night long?

I always offer change back. I sell enough in dances and actually EARN my own money, so I don't find it necessary to rip men off. Many men will tell me to keep it as a tip and often find me later to spend more on me. You are burning yourself to keep and extra $10 when you could get another $100 later.

And I think some in this thread need to back off the new girl. She IS new and learning, and doing quite well for someone who is new. There is this thread from a girl who is beautiful and admits she is even more beautiful than the girls she works with. She is in an upscale club in New York and not making a dime. And yet Autumn Lily is kicking her ass right off the bat in the middle of the midwest.



How do explain that?

DesuvsDeath
01-14-2010, 02:09 PM
Not only could this kind of behavior get you fired at a lot of clubs, but it can also come back to bite you in the ass.
It also sometimes bites other girls in the ass...

I've had a guy turn me down for dances... hear the DJ announce the dance price a minute or so later and then immediately come over to me like "Oh, dances are only $40? Let's go do a couple." He spent almost $400... but he wasn't going to buy a single dance before because he was told nude dances were $60 by someone who thought they were worth more and it seemed like way too much money to him.

Everywhere I've ever worked... overcharging = rule breaking = getting fired... so if you plan to charge more for dances, make sure you work somewhere that the dance price is only the suggested minimum and not the price.

hot4ablackchick
01-14-2010, 02:53 PM
It also sometimes bites other girls in the ass...

I've had a guy turn me down for dances... hear the DJ announce the dance price a minute or so later and then immediately come over to me like "Oh, dances are only $40? Let's go do a couple." He spent almost $400... but he wasn't going to buy a single dance before because he was told nude dances were $60 by someone who thought they were worth more and it seemed like way too much money to him.

Everywhere I've ever worked... overcharging = rule breaking = getting fired... so if you plan to charge more for dances, make sure you work somewhere that the dance price is only the suggested minimum and not the price.

Yup. I think too many dancers assume that if a guy won't pay $30, $40, $60 per dance then he is "cheap and/or has no money anyway," so they are weeding out the cheapos by giving guys inflated dance prices. Yes, there will be some guys willing to pay an inflated dance price, but there will probably be even less guys willing to pay or keep paying an inflated dance price. Your example shows how this theory can bite a dancer in the ass as well ! The guy you mentioned obviously had money, he just didn't want to 'blow' $60 of it on one dance. So you gained and she lost because she was 'too good' to dance for the standard price. If I have 1k to spend at the mall, I may not want to blow 4 hundred on one pair of shoes. It doesn't mean I don't have money, it simply means I want to budget my shopping money for different things. If I have a 3-4 hundred dollar 'SC budget', I am not going to want to spend $60 of it on one friggin dance. I don't care if she's smoking hot, it probably won't happen, especially if I can get a dance from another hot or cute girl where $75 could get me 3 couch dances plus a tip to the dancer !

If a dancer outright lies about a dance price to me, then she can forget about me spending another dime. If she tells me up front that she just 'charges more' I might still get a dance if she is just absolutely gorgeous, or truly the 'best option.' But if the dance itself isn't sensual and great, I'm not going to keep buying if the dance price is really inflated. So while you may make an extra 10-20 or 30 dollars on a dance initially, a guy who may have spent 1-2 hundred initially will stop buying because its not worth the x-tra price to him. Overcharging can get you fired and you could end up cutting your own throat !

Athenathefabulous
01-14-2010, 03:01 PM
** for the record i wasnt suggesting ripping off customers or lying to them. i was just advising that you dont want to lead the customers away from tipping ever. the girl i described in my post encouraged me to take change back that i intentionally handed her as a tip.

if a customer asks how many dances will 100$ get him, and it is 30$ a dance, the answer is it will get him 3 dances. usually if a customer asks this, it means he plans on giving you the full 100$ and getting what he can with that bill. IMO, the OP telling him it will give him 3 dances and 10$ back is shortchanging herself. If she answered it will get you 3 dances, that is not being dishonest... 100$ does by 3 dances. assuming an ~10% tip on 3 dances isnt dishonest in this situation, and not suggesting the 10$ back is not ripping them off either IMO. I wasnt trying to jump on her or say that she wasnt doing a good job in any way. This forum is supposed to help newbies with tricks that have helped us over our time, so im offering her advice that has helped me out.

we make a lot of our money off of tips. customers should be encouraged to tip. just as they should in a bar or a resturaunt. offering the change back is suggesting to them that they shouldnt tip.

lying about the dance prices is a different issue IMO. Im not one to outright lie about the dance prices unless i have a vengeance for the customer (i.e. i give a dance and he is a groper, he is rude to begin with, or i anticipate he will be trouble).

hot4ablackchick
01-14-2010, 03:02 PM
Hot4ablackchick, I agree ripping off customer is what gives strippers a bad name and makes it for the rest of us who are honest to actually make sales. Ironically, some of those who bitch loudest in here about extras are also quick to admit how they would rip off a customer in a heart beat and then tell you it's only the right thing to do. Just like extras girls, you are just making things harder and causing men not to trust us. This advice is especially bad in a blue collar bar where men are more likely to start a fight. This will get you known for being the girl that starts shit. You will earn a bad reputation and management won't think twice to fire you the next time shit goes down. Do you really think manangement feels like backing up lying bitches all night long?

I always offer change back. I sell enough in dances and actually EARN my own money, so I don't find it necessary to rip men off. Many men will tell me to keep it as a tip and often find me later to spend more on me. You are burning yourself to keep and extra $10 when you could get another $100 later.

And I think some in this thread need to back off the new girl. She IS new and learning, and doing quite well for someone who is new. There is this thread from a girl who is beautiful and admits she is even more beautiful than the girls she works with. She is in an upscale club in New York and not making a dime. And yet Autumn Lily is kicking her ass right off the bat in the middle of the midwest.

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=137745

How do explain that?

I'm one of the few that always offers change as well. I also get a lot of repeat dances throughout the night. Even the mgmt comment that I seem to get a lot of repeat business ! The OP seems to doing great for being so new, and she said she works a 'blue collar' bar. I don't think overly inflated dance prices could go over well in that type of setting, and if word got back that she pointed at another dancer and said, "Look at her, now look at me," then she could end up getting fired and/or in serious trouble with the other girls, who would likely be very unhappy with that statement. Hopefully she won't take this advice, and knows there are better ways to make money without ripping off customers or throwing other dancers under the bus !

Autumn Lily
01-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Thank you very much, Sunshine. I needed to read that last paragraph.

I've talked to other veteran dancers in my club. $100-150 a night might not be acceptable where most of the girls here are from, but I'm from Wichita, KS - a blue collar city. $300 a night is a very successful night here, and is certainly NOT a "standard". I only owe $30 in house fees + a $5 fee for the DJ and that's IT. I already have one regular who comes in and buys dances. I have one customer who will buy me a $20 dancer drink the moment I walk in the door. I sell at least 5-6 dancer drinks per shift (sizes may vary depending on the customer, but they're usually $10-15 drinks).

I've worked three shifts so far, and in all three of those shifts, I've heard dancers bitching about how there's no money to be made, yet I'm walking out with a minimum of $150. The customers are very nice here and don't ask for much beyond conversation, which I give for a drink (I find selling multiple $10 drinks is easier than trying to sell one $20). These girls are expecting $300 nights consistently, when it's just not possible here.

That being said, my first Friday shift is coming up tomorrow. I'll let you know how that goes.

And as for upselling dances, management only "recommended" upselling if there was a customer who really wanted a dance but I really didn't want to give him one.

hot4ablackchick
01-14-2010, 03:14 PM
** for the record i wasnt suggesting ripping off customers or lying to them. i was just advising that you dont want to lead the customers away from tipping ever. the girl i described in my post encouraged me to take change back that i intentionally handed her as a tip.

if a customer asks how many dances will 100$ get him, and it is 30$ a dance, the answer is it will get him 3 dances. usually if a customer asks this, it means he plans on giving you the full 100$ and getting what he can with that bill. IMO, the OP telling him it will give him 3 dances and 10$ back is shortchanging herself. If she answered it will get you 3 dances, that is not being dishonest... 100$ does by 3 dances. assuming an ~10% tip on 3 dances isnt dishonest in this situation, and not suggesting the 10$ back is not ripping them off either IMO. I wasnt trying to jump on her or say that she wasnt doing a good job in any way. This forum is supposed to help newbies with tricks that have helped us over our time, so im offering her advice that has helped me out.

we make a lot of our money off of tips. customers should be encouraged to tip. just as they should in a bar or a resturaunt. offering the change back is suggesting to them that they shouldnt tip.

lying about the dance prices is a different issue IMO. Im not one to outright lie about the dance prices unless i have a vengeance for the customer (i.e. i give a dance and he is a groper, he is rude to begin with, or i anticipate he will be trouble).

I completely agree Athena. I wasn't trying to direct anything to you or that it was wrong to not offer change. I personally offer change, but if a girl chooses not to, then thats her choice. Thats a different matter than outright lying and overcharging like another poster suggested. A guy can ask for change back if he really wants it back. I'll agree that if someone is offering you a tip, you should never do anything to make them re-think tipping you ! You should say thank you and keep moving.

Athenathefabulous
01-14-2010, 03:22 PM
Thank you very much, Sunshine. I needed to read that last paragraph.

I've talked to other veteran dancers in my club. $100-150 a night might not be acceptable where most of the girls here are from, but I'm from Wichita, KS - a blue collar city. $300 a night is a very successful night here, and is certainly NOT a "standard". I only owe $30 in house fees + a $5 fee for the DJ and that's IT. I already have one regular who comes in and buys dances. I have one customer who will buy me a $20 dancer drink the moment I walk in the door. I sell at least 5-6 dancer drinks per shift (sizes may vary depending on the customer, but they're usually $10-15 drinks).

I've worked three shifts so far, and in all three of those shifts, I've heard dancers bitching about how there's no money to be made, yet I'm walking out with a minimum of $150. The customers are very nice here and don't ask for much beyond conversation, which I give for a drink (I find selling multiple $10 drinks is easier than trying to sell one $20). These girls are expecting $300 nights consistently, when it's just not possible here.

That being said, my first Friday shift is coming up tomorrow. I'll let you know how that goes.

And as for upselling dances, management only "recommended" upselling if there was a customer who really wanted a dance but I really didn't want to give him one.

well if you are making a min of 150$ a night as a newb, i would consider that good news-- and i would take that to mean that you certainly CAN make 300$ consistently in the future. after your hustle becomes solid, there is no reason why you cnat make this if you are able to make 150$ + a night more. if you have 30$ dances, you just need to sell 11 of them and make 5$ on stage, and thats 300 after your tip outs :). so even if you are in blue collar kansas, it looks like your situation shows a lot of promise :). Yay!

the girls who make no money often bitch the loudest. so if the 'veterans' complain about maxing at 150 a night dont sweat it, im sure there is at least one girl quietly making 300 a night-- she probably silently counts her money with a smile ;). Broke girls will bitch a lot, last saturday girls were complaining that the club was the worst they had ever seen it here and i was thinking to myself geez, i guess it cant get too bad here because i made 700.

so yea, dont let any girls bitching keep you down and dont let yourself feel iike there is a default cap on your earnings just because you are in blue collar kansas. there is money to be made even at blue collar clubs, sometimes more so than at the upscale competitive clubs. if you are already being consistent, then better sales skills that come with experience a long with the regulars that come with time will up your earnings!

So yea, you seem to feel positive which is awesome! Im just saying feel a bit more positive and dont at all let yourself feel cielinged because other girls you work wth complain.

mediocrity
01-14-2010, 03:28 PM
This may not be a popular opinion, but I do not see stripping as a good honest sales job,and never have even when I felt positively about it. Yes, you are EARNING your money, but any guy who would want $10 back in SC I am not going to mess with.

There is a certain amount of LYING that goes on. Call it hustling if you want, but it is using sex, wit and your body to make a quick $20. The trust built is false trust, if you can call it trust at all. I prefer illusion. And I mean who really gives a fuck if they like and trust you? You're not getting married. And the regulars I have had didn't like Mediocrity anyway, they knew Catherine, not her.

Men KNOW why they are there, and frankly, unless it was an exorbitant amount of money, I would be INSULTED if they asked for change back.

I have never told men the price of a single dance is higher, but I HAVE upsold "unlimited" dances and blocks of time for considerable sums of money. And I don't feel bad for it at all.

lilmisssunshine
01-14-2010, 03:29 PM
Blue collar clubs are the bomb!

Anyway, I agree that getting a tip and overcharging are two different things. It's all about the way you go about it.

I once read a priceless bit of info in HH. When you finish and money is changing hands, you can ask "How was it?" and when he says wonderful, you say "So I deserve a tip!?"

This way you can kinda of just take the tip from him by suggestion, not just take his money and rum.

J.D.
01-14-2010, 03:30 PM
I guess I've worked at shadier clubs than most of you. What I described is not uncommon behavior amongst dancers that I've worked with.

I'm happy that so many of you are positive and optimistic, this job sucked those qualities out of me a long time ago. I believe it's either you take advantage of them, or they take advantage of you. This is my opinion and based solely on my experiences. Read my signature.

I will agree with you about the "look at me and look at her", it's not good to insult another dancer. A better way to go about it would be to say, "Well, look at me, I'm worth it" or just play dumb like you didn't know.

Once again guys, I have to disagree that the strip club is an honest sales environment. It's not Sears. I have always looked at this job as hustling. You try to get the most money you can out of each guy, whether it's an extra dollar or an extra thousand dollars. I do believe in Karma, but once a guy walks into a strip club, he shouldn't believe anything he hears, and he becomes subject to these things. IMO, a married guy should not be going into a strip club behind his wife's back. Period. What percentage of men on any given night do you notice wearing wedding rings? I would say 75% or more. I'm sorry guys, but I don't feel the least bit sorry for ripping off a single guy in there. In my eyes, it's not a rip off, I'm worth large amounts of money.

Once again, this is my opinion solely based on my experiences. I've danced for five years, I have a different outlook from when I was fresh faced and bright eyed and naive.

*** One more thing about lying about dance prices: I did this at a club where it was optional nude. A regular dance in Texas goes for $20, however I know girls who personally charge more when and if they can get away with it, I DON'T. Now, when a guy requests a full nude dance, I sure as Hell inflate the price, to whatever I feel like at the moment. It's like the stock market. Whatever I feel like I can get away with, and how badly he wants to see me nude. I know TONS of girls who charge the same, $20 or topless or nude.

lilmisssunshine
01-14-2010, 03:37 PM
Yes, there is a certain amount of "lying" in sales. But there is flat out cheating and hardcore hustling. Everyone knows the difference.

Yes, selling dances is different than selling blocks of time. That is where I made the most money, selling time. After I earned his trust and he wanted to stay with me the rest of the night, I would tell him my time is worth $300, $400, $500, or whatever. It's not a lie. The club does not set a price for my time (unless there is a VIP). If he wants me he will pay it.

lilmisssunshine
01-14-2010, 03:38 PM
Nude is usually more in Texas. Usually.

And J.D., I have been in the adult business 15 years. I started when I was 17 and am now 32. I have worked in Texas most of this time and have grown up here. I never felt it was up to me to take advantage of men before they take advantage of me. I have met and spent some time with some great men. It's the law of attraction, you get back what you put out in this world.

hot4ablackchick
01-14-2010, 11:52 PM
Yes, there is a certain amount of "lying" in sales. But there is flat out cheating and hardcore hustling. Everyone knows the difference.

Yes, selling dances is different than selling blocks of time. That is where I made the most money, selling time. After I earned his trust and he wanted to stay with me the rest of the night, I would tell him my time is worth $300, $400, $500, or whatever. It's not a lie. The club does not set a price for my time (unless there is a VIP). If he wants me he will pay it.

Yes. We all have to lie and tell customers certain things and what we think they want to hear. When a customer asks what I did today, I'm not going to tell him that my twin boys peed on each other, I fucked my husband, and then I went to the store to buy tampons. Selling fantasy is a bit different and not what I would call lying. Just because we are strippers doesn't mean we should adopt a 'fuck the world' mentality and have no ethics about it at all. I just don't understand the well, 'most guys shouldn't be in a SC anyway,' or they are 'bringing it on themselves' attitude because they entered a SC is a bit disturbing to me. Kind of reminds me of the guys that feel entitled to grope all over us because we are 'just strippers anyway' and we 'chose this job so we should just accept it.' Sort of the same mentality. I've been dancing for almost 8 years and have dealt with my share of assholes, but I just can't allow myself to adopt that kind of thinking. If I ever get that bitter from dancing, I'll quit.

I kind of understand where JD is coming from, and I have also thought to myself lots of times that I'm worth more money than some of my co-workers. I mean it does make sense that in theory, a prettier dancer should be paid more than an ugly dancer with a sloppy body. But thats just not how it works, because beauty and tastes are all selective. Not every customer is going to veiw you as 'worth more' than the next. Maybe some customers don't give a damn about the dance price and what a girl charged them. The majority of customers are not going to feel this way however. They are going to feel ripped off and pissed. To most customers, $20 is a lot for 2-4 minutes of work. They don't realize that we pay the club (some places a lot!), tip out numerous people, and have to invest lots of time, money, and energy to do what we do.

I think in certain situations honesty is best and if you want to over charge do so, but let the customer know beforehand. If a guy asks, "How much are dances?" I would say, "Dances are $20 but I charge $40 because my dances are so hot and you won't be disappointed. As you can see I'm also incredibly sexy." I'm not good at lines but you get the drift. I would over charge for VIP/blocks of time, but I would let them know that this is what I charge.

mediocrity
01-15-2010, 12:23 AM
Yes. We all have to lie and tell customers certain things and what we think they want to hear. When a customer asks what I did today, I'm not going to tell him that my twin boys peed on each other, I fucked my husband, and then I went to the store to buy tampons. Selling fantasy is a bit different and not what I would call lying. Just because we are strippers doesn't mean we should adopt a 'fuck the world' mentality and have no ethics about it at all. I just don't understand the well, 'most guys shouldn't be in a SC anyway,' or they are 'bringing it on themselves' attitude because they entered a SC is a bit disturbing to me. Kind of reminds me of the guys that feel entitled to grope all over us because we are 'just strippers anyway' and we 'chose this job so we should just accept it.' Sort of the same mentality. I've been dancing for almost 8 years and have dealt with my share of assholes, but I just can't allow myself to adopt that kind of thinking. If I ever get that bitter from dancing, I'll quit.

I kind of understand where JD is coming from, and I have also thought to myself lots of times that I'm worth more money than some of my co-workers. I mean it does make sense that in theory, that a prettier dancer should be paid more than an ugly dancer with a sloppy body. But thats just not how it works, because beauty and tastes are all selective. Not every customer is going to veiw you as 'worth more' than the next. Maybe some customers don't give a damn about the dance price and what a girl charged them. The majority of customers are not going to feel this way however. They are going to feel ripped off and pissed. To most customers, $20 is a lot for 2-4 minutes of work. They don't realize that we pay the club (some places a lot!), tip out numerous people, and have to invest lots of time, money, and energy to do what we do.

I think in certain situations honesty is best and if you want to over charge do so, but let the customer know beforehand. If a guy asks, "How much are dances?" I would say, "Dances are $20 but I charge $40 because my dances are so hot and you won't be disappointed. As you can see I'm also incredibly sexy." I'm not good at lines but you get the drift. I would over charge for VIP/blocks of time, but I would let them know that this is what I charge.

Precisely why I got out. It was making me a seriously hateful person.

Stripper Kitty
01-17-2010, 05:25 AM
Hi there!

Don't worry about anything, the second club I worked at there was a girl there who had almost the exact same body as you, and she did fine. She had a really bad attitude tho, so I was kinda surprised she did so well. She was an ex-Marine and very unhappy about everything in life, and did insane pole tricks, and always had bruises in the oddest places I've ever seen bruises... Anyway, I digress... You'll do fine, you've got a very pretty face, and since you've gotten hired the body obviously isn't a problem. Just work on "workin' it" and I'm sure you'll do even better than my ex-Marine ex-coworker! Haha!

Autumn Lily
01-19-2010, 09:46 AM
___---WOW---____

Alright, so I survived my first week. Learned that Fridays aren't any better than normal weekdays because the cheap-ass college boys who just want to get drunk and see titties without tipping come out Friday night.

ANYWAY.

Last night was super slow up until about 10:30, an hour and a half away from the end of my shift. I get off of a set and do a tip walk, and come up to one guy who tips me $4, and asks me "...Do I have a "fuck off" sign on my chest?"

"Well what do you mean, sweetie?"

"I've been here for an hour and you're the first dancer who's come up to ask for a tip."

All of his buddies nodded in agreement.

Well he was sitting a little out of sight, out of mind, but he was sitting at a full table of friends, which really surprised me why he wasn't getting girls.

So I decide to sit down with him for awhile. He had his favorite waitress bring us some 3-Legged Monkey Shots (crown royal, pineapple juice, and amaretto). And we get to talking. I tell him I'm a nerd at heart, I'm dancing for fun, not to support a drug habit or kids, that kinda thing.

Well, all that plus that I wasn't terribly pushy (he actually offered to buy me two $20 drinks because of my attitude) really got him liking me. Then at the end of my shift he asks for two lapdances. He hands me a $100, asks what my boundaries are, and I tell him, and (just like last time) I tell him I can get him change afterwards if he wants it. He tells me to just do the dance and not worry about the change right now.

So I do two dances for him. By that time I had Three 3-Legged Monkeys in me AND a shot of Patron in me, so I was a little "whoo". (I had also done a main stage set and TORE IT UP up there.)

After the dance, he's absolutely stunned, and I tell him (since he broke my no-touching under clothing rule, but I told him if he did that it was $10 extra per song) that he owes me $80.

So what's he do?

He pulls out another $100. Confused, I ask, "Do you want me to keep going?"

He shakes his head, gives me the $100 and says "I just want $10 in change."

Motherfucker seriously gave me a $130 tip!! I walked out last night with $340 AND earned me a regular!!!

Lexi_Girl
01-19-2010, 09:54 AM
Whooo, nice! Congratulations, honey <3

Qi
01-19-2010, 10:08 AM
Woo! See you can be makin' $300 each night no problem! Woot woot!

pixierocksonthepole
01-19-2010, 12:13 PM
Awesome!! Keep it up honey!

Remember, this is my fave saying "You can't hustle the hustler." And as long as you have your hustle and a smile with a great attitude, there is no stopping you. ^_^

Autumn Lily
01-19-2010, 12:43 PM
The guy was a used car salesman, and he told me that in a regard, we've the same style of sales, just different stuff to sell. He knows that people hate how pushy used car salesmen are, just the same as men hate how pushy strippers can be. He appreciated that I defied that.

carmen_b
01-19-2010, 03:47 PM
Most awesome. Congrats on your first $300 + night !

sexystephani
01-19-2010, 04:16 PM
Wo your eyes pop! So beautiful. I disagree you probaly are not the "biggest" girl on the board and anyways size doesnt matter attitude does.
Good luck!

Camillian
01-19-2010, 04:56 PM
Just wanted to say congrats :)

cadencetyme
01-19-2010, 06:02 PM
Im glad you posted that you made $340 cuz i was gonna say there is no way in hell that you should have it set in your mind that $300 nights arent normal this early on in our dancing. even at a small blue collar dive hick bar. You could make $300 off of 2 customers if you get $150 off of each. Thats like 2 vips and 2 tips. and you said you talk alot.

Aim high. You are an exotic dancer, you are supposed to make really good $.

If you are making $150 as a newbie than your club does have the potential for $300 nights...you lucked out and had one already, and your sales hustle isnt even rock hard yet. Your still building clientel, im tipped after 90 percent of all my dances and rooms. I would make double what girls who dont get tipped (or ask for tips make). I know because my $ doubled when i started using my "tip getting script", aka sweetly asking.


Just dont get stuck in that "its not possible" mind set. Dont give away all your time by aiming for 150....yes that is good money. But if you can make $150 then $300 nights can also happen here and there.

Autumn Lily
01-19-2010, 06:55 PM
Heh. Well now I do know that it's possible, but I'm not gonna shoot for 300 every night - I know I'm gonna end up disappointed more often than not.

Lexi_Girl
01-19-2010, 07:12 PM
I try my best to focus on talking to everyone, asking everyone for a dance, etc. rather than the money. I know some nights the money will be there, other nights it won't, but if I'm talking to everyone then I'm working on developing my hustle and making the conversations go a bit smoother. I suck at small talk.

Lola_sinn
01-20-2010, 11:09 PM
I would make double what girls who dont get tipped (or ask for tips make). I know because my $ doubled when i started using my "tip getting script", aka sweetly asking.

What is your tip getting script, if you don't mind sharing? Getting tips is something I'm really terrible at.

Surprise
01-21-2010, 12:00 AM
What is your tip getting script, if you don't mind sharing? Getting tips is something I'm really terrible at.

i use "it's $X per dance, and the tip is up to you!"

or if someone doesn't tip me i make a pouty face and say "i didn't do a good job?" the guy always says no no, you did a great job! and then i say "wheres my tip then?" i don't use the last one that often, if a guy doesn't tip me with the first statement, then he's a cheapass and is probably only going to give me a dollar. :/

pixierocksonthepole
01-21-2010, 12:28 PM
I've never asked for a tip... To be honest, I didn't realize that most girls asked for them because they relied mostly on those from stage. (More in the clubs that were mainly just stage tips and not lap dances) Hmm. Interesting.

laurcon
01-21-2010, 01:37 PM
hey autumn, congrats! i'm really happy for you.
i only wanted to point out that while your laid-back style worked out awesome with this guy, that's not always going to be the case. at one point i mostly relied on the customers asking me for a dance, like i noticed you said he did in the story. these days with the economy and competition, it usually doesn't play out like that and you might end up left in the dust some nights. i know i have.

but seems like your positive attitude really shines through and i wish you the continued best. just don't want to see you get burnt by time-wasters! :)

Pretty_Penny
01-23-2010, 09:50 AM
Alright, so I survived my first week. Learned that Fridays aren't any better than normal weekdays because the cheap-ass college boys who just want to get drunk and see titties without tipping come out Friday night.



I have disliked Fridays for years (in general). I find that the rest of the weekdays are usually better. Friday it's like the age average of customers drops dramatically as does the average size of the wallet.

That being said, don't get yourself stuck in an attitude that says "I can't make money on Fridays". You may choose to make it one of your days off when you can, because you don't prefer that day, but if you DO go in, always remember this:

It only takes one customer to make your entire shift.

Believe me. I've had it happen more times than I can count and I'm sure some of them were on Fridays. Keep thinking that the entire shift too... because there have been many times I've been sitting on little to literally nothing until an hour or two before my shift was over, and then I banked.

rihannsu
01-23-2010, 12:49 PM
And here I thought Friday night was going to be dedicated stripping night. Man, I'm glad I found out otherwise.

charlie61
01-23-2010, 01:04 PM
I have disliked Fridays for years (in general). I find that the rest of the weekdays are usually better. Friday it's like the age average of customers drops dramatically as does the average size of the wallet.

That being said, don't get yourself stuck in an attitude that says "I can't make money on Fridays". You may choose to make it one of your days off when you can, because you don't prefer that day, but if you DO go in, always remember this:

It only takes one customer to make your entire shift.

Believe me. I've had it happen more times than I can count and I'm sure some of them were on Fridays. Keep thinking that the entire shift too... because there have been many times I've been sitting on little to literally nothing until an hour or two before my shift was over, and then I banked.

QFT. Yes. Exactly.

Autumn Lily
01-23-2010, 06:41 PM
That happened to me on my first $300 night. I was sitting at about $80 up until an hour and a half before the end of my shift.

Last night was better than last Friday. Got about $200 where last week I only made about $130.

AudreyLeigh
01-27-2010, 11:43 PM
I have disliked Fridays for years (in general). I find that the rest of the weekdays are usually better. Friday it's like the age average of customers drops dramatically as does the average size of the wallet.

That being said, don't get yourself stuck in an attitude that says "I can't make money on Fridays". You may choose to make it one of your days off when you can, because you don't prefer that day, but if you DO go in, always remember this:

It only takes one customer to make your entire shift.

Believe me. I've had it happen more times than I can count and I'm sure some of them were on Fridays. Keep thinking that the entire shift too... because there have been many times I've been sitting on little to literally nothing until an hour or two before my shift was over, and then I banked.

It seems a lot of girls on SW dislike Friday nights... and weekends in general. For me I only worked weekends for a few years and it's all I needed. Im the opposite - working any weekdays is like hell.

OP- I think you shouldn't sell yourself short. $300 is not a high amount for a goal. At $20 a dance it's only 15 dances in a shift + shift fee/tip out (however many dances that is). If you set a 20 dance per night goal (totally doable) you can hit $300 a night (or close to it)... or at least make it your average.

I find it much easier to hit my goals when I set them up as X many dances and X many VIPs = my goal than trying to hit an actual $$ goal.

OliviaTheGreatest
03-08-2010, 12:06 PM
Congrats! I figured Mexicans would love you! I always do good with them too. I have natural boobs and curves too. Rock on!

whenever I worked in Arizona, I was the curvy 145 pound girl up against all of those really trim 110's and 115's....it was kind of depressing, but I carried it well and I wore it with pride because I had a regular who dubbed himself "Fat Cat" who would come in every Sunday with his entourage and a fat ass wad of 1's 5's 20's and even a few hundreds...he'd make it rain on me when I would get on stage and me and my lil team of a couple girls that I became friends with would milk him and his buddies for EVERY DIME.

and he loved my curves, booty, and titties!

Fat Cat was a chocolate brother. The Mexicano's loved me too....the white guys...unless they were a first timer to the club and they were into Marilyn Manson, I did not bother with em'. haha. I know that I did give multiple ld's to a few white guys...but usually I stuck with other races.

THEY APPRECIATE CURVES-REMEMBER THAT!!

pixierocksonthepole
03-08-2010, 01:11 PM
....the white guys...unless they were a first timer to the club and they were into Marilyn Manson, I did not bother with em'. haha. I know that I did give multiple ld's to a few white guys...but usually I stuck with other races.

lol how in the world can you tell if they are interested in Marilyn Manson if you don't talk to them? Spread the seeds and talk to all no matter what!!! ;D

mediocrity
03-09-2010, 12:39 PM
whenever I worked in Arizona, I was the curvy 145 pound girl up against all of those really trim 110's and 115's....it was kind of depressing, but I carried it well and I wore it with pride because I had a regular who dubbed himself "Fat Cat" who would come in every Sunday with his entourage and a fat ass wad of 1's 5's 20's and even a few hundreds...he'd make it rain on me when I would get on stage and me and my lil team of a couple girls that I became friends with would milk him and his buddies for EVERY DIME.

and he loved my curves, booty, and titties!

Fat Cat was a chocolate brother. The Mexicano's loved me too....the white guys...unless they were a first timer to the club and they were into Marilyn Manson, I did not bother with em'. haha. I know that I did give multiple ld's to a few white guys...but usually I stuck with other races.

THEY APPRECIATE CURVES-REMEMBER THAT!!

There's a huge difference between curvy and overweight.

pixierocksonthepole
03-09-2010, 12:45 PM
There's a huge difference between curvy and overweight.

Yes there is.