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Melonie
01-23-2010, 07:28 AM
This recession has done nothing but make the income gap wider--the rich and the poor are more heavily divided, as the middle class has basically fallen back into the lower classes. MOST PEOPLE don't have extra income right now, so why appeal to them? Appeal to the people who HAVE MONEY, the select few that can still afford $120 laps. Sure, you may get less quantity of them, because they are scarcer, but you'll have to deal with less bullshit from tons of men and you'll still make more money.

But I'm sure I'm preaching to people who already know this. I just wish that the people who RAN THE DAMN PLACES understood this! Once you start appealing to the "bargin hunters" or the "Walmart shoppers" of the strip club world, your club is DONE FOR. There is no such thing as a "recession" club---strip clubs are for WEALTHY PEOPLE, and that's just how it is. If you don't have the money DONT COME. That's the reason 2 for 1s and other such bargins are the beginning of the end for any club.


This of course creates unique problems in a state like California, where increasing state and local taxes are already sucking more and more dollars from middle class 'discretionary spending' budgets. This in turn changes the dynamic of the California club customer base, with the same number of 'rich' customers but poorer 'regular' customers.

From the standpoint of club financials, to a large degree club profits are a numbers game. Every club customer who walks in the door results in cover charge revenue, drink minimum revenue, etc. REGARDLESS of how much money that customer spends on private dances / VIP's / CR. Thus newly taxed 'regular' customers who are now hard pressed to spend a minimum of $60 on private dances or a minimum of $200 on VIP / CR are likely to turn into EX customers ... costing the club it's cover charge and bar revenues in the process. On the other hand, if the club drops prices on private dances to $20 and VIP / CR to $100, then these newly taxed 'regular' customers may remain customers ... thus still providing clubs with their cover charge and bar revenue.

Sans the sugar coating, clubs that don't extract a big percentage of dancers' private dance / VIP / CR earnings, and instead extract a large fixed house / stage fee, have absolutely nothing to lose and much to gain by forcing a drop in private dance / VIP / CR pricing levels. Of course this directly screws potential dancer income, but as long as the club is in the 'driver's seat' i.e. plenty of new dancers are available to fill vacancies left by current dancers who quit because of reduced earnings levels, the clubs face very little downside risk.

In the final analysis, the increasing divide between the 'rich' and the 'middle class' will eventually result in the evolution of a handful of 'high end' clubs catering to the 'rich' ... and a majority of regular clubs that cater to 'average' customers. However, this also creates a potential situation where 'clean' dancers that cannot meet the hiring standards of the 'high end' clubs, and who are unwilling to provide the extras sought by an increasing number of customers in regular clubs, will be left without a 'profitable' option in the exotic dancing industry. And by the same logic, regular clubs who strictly prohibit the offering of extras are also likely to be left without a 'profitable' future.

laurcon
01-23-2010, 11:48 AM
Centerfolds was the most expensive nude club for vips thats for sure. 500$ for 30mins and 800$ for 1hr.... god im gunna miss these prices.

ya i meant btw that the dancer gets $300 per 1/2 and $500 per hour. the customer actually pays about $550 and $950 respectively. so my club makes a shit ton on room fees. so that's why deja vu says "guys are paying enough for the rooms, don't ask them for tips". that's at hustler in manhattan.
so i can't believe your club was only making like $140 in room fees. i cannot believe they have the customer pay $50 and the dancer pay $90!! guess that's changing anyway. i can't see why they don't just make a higher room fee since obviously the guys will pay it!

Athenathefabulous
01-23-2010, 02:16 PM
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sfcenterfoldz
01-23-2010, 04:36 PM
we do all the work and they take all the money.

Kylea2
01-23-2010, 08:09 PM
Athena... maybe you should say that you prefer to be tipped in cash.

Athenathefabulous
01-23-2010, 08:37 PM
this particular customer was australian... all of his money was in credit.

in the future, i will. at the time, i assumed that if i asked for a tip that large, i would get it and i would then tip the staff as i felt fit based on how much they helped me with the sale (which was essentially not at all).

a 50$ tip or less to the door guy is reasonable, but i feel like if a customer leaves a tip for over 100$, it is obviously for the dancer.

maybe thats just my experience. ::shrugs::

black_widow
01-24-2010, 03:05 AM
In the final analysis, the increasing divide between the 'rich' and the 'middle class' will eventually result in the evolution of a handful of 'high end' clubs catering to the 'rich' ... and a majority of regular clubs that cater to 'average' customers. However, this also creates a potential situation where 'clean' dancers that cannot meet the hiring standards of the 'high end' clubs, and who are unwilling to provide the extras sought by an increasing number of customers in regular clubs, will be left without a 'profitable' option in the exotic dancing industry. And by the same logic, regular clubs who strictly prohibit the offering of extras are also likely to be left without a 'profitable' future.



I loved your entire post, but this especially. I've already noticed this shift in LA strip clubs--they either cater to the really high end, wealthy patrons or they cater to the regular "joe shmoe" of the everyday working world. There are no "moderately high end" clubs, and those that are still around are making adjustments to "upgrade" or "downgrade".



I do think that a lot of it does have to do with how a club is making it's money---if it's an alcohol club, dances and customers with tons of money are less important, and vice versa. Therefore, alcohol clubs generally tend to be less "high end" because they don't have to be--they worry less about dances than drink sales, and these clubs, like you said, are the ones who will fuck the dancers over simply because they don't care at all if the guy buys dances or not--so long as he buys alcohol, which the club gets a bigger cut of anyways.



Nude clubs, on the other hand, are almost always dry clubs. They tend to be more responsive t keeping the dance prices high, since they have no alcohol sales to fall back on, and if their dancers aren't making money, the club isn't making money, since it makes most of its money off a certain percentage out of each girls dances.



With this environment, the way it stands to look down the line, in my opinon is that NUDE clubs will be high end, dry places with steep dance prices and topless/bikini bars will be divey, working class and pretty much lame, cheap, uber long dances.

Melonie
01-24-2010, 08:52 AM
With this environment, the way it stands to look down the line, in my opinon is that NUDE clubs will be high end, dry places with steep dance prices and topless/bikini bars will be divey, working class and pretty much lame, cheap, uber long dances.

I would agree that your two 'new' club business models is extremely probable. However, if the industry transitioned to just clubs following these two 'new' business models there would be a large number of potential customers that would not be 'served'.

I would put some real world spin on your two theoretical models and actually come up with four ...

- your upscale nude clubs employing only top shelf dancers and catering to 'rich' customers seeking 'companionship' and/or 'conspicuous consumption'

- downscale nude clubs offering tons of extras catering to 'average' customers on a budget

- upscale alcohol show clubs employing only top shelf dancers and catering to 'rich' businessmen / bachelor parties etc.

- your downscale alcohol clubs catering to thirsty 'average' customers on a budget

Again the net combination of these four business models leaves a major void where 'clean' dancers who are less than 'perfect 10's' are concerned. And as you correctly surmised above, in this four 'new' club business model scenario the clubowners of both the downscale nude extras clubs and the downscale alcohol clubs will be in the 'driver's seat' i.e. perfectly positioned to 'fuck the dancers over' at will, knowing that there will be an infinite waiting list of new dancers ready to take the place of any dancer who chooses to quit.

sananeko
01-24-2010, 02:09 PM
I might be alittle lost here but are you saying that they are downing the prices from 60 to 20 and making you pay only 180? Cause I think that might be ok.. But if its 180 to start and then they take money from each dance, vip, cr.. I would leave. I think its moronic to to lower the prices and not the fees..

AudreyLeigh
01-24-2010, 02:18 PM
this particular customer was australian... all of his money was in credit.

in the future, i will. at the time, i assumed that if i asked for a tip that large, i would get it and i would then tip the staff as i felt fit based on how much they helped me with the sale (which was essentially not at all).

a 50$ tip or less to the door guy is reasonable, but i feel like if a customer leaves a tip for over 100$, it is obviously for the dancer.

maybe thats just my experience. ::shrugs::

They do this in Reno too. Any tips written on the credit slip are for the host. I have to be very specific to the customer when he tips that mine needs to be in cash (can pull cash at the bar) and that what he puts on the credit slip is for the host.

laurcon
01-24-2010, 02:25 PM
They do this in Reno too. Any tips written on the credit slip are for the host. I have to be very specific to the customer when he tips that mine needs to be in cash (can pull cash at the bar) and that what he puts on the credit slip is for the host.

yup same here Audrey. i've totally seen guys tip the hosts hundreds of dollars, knowing full well it was going to the host. i always tell my guy to tip the host just to make my life easier by having them be more inclined to help me in the future.
although now that deja vu ownership told us not to ask for tips in the CR, i'm assuming we can't ask for tips for the hosts either! i'm certainly not going to anymore if i can't ask for myself, that's fucking ridiculous.

loveyonetwo
01-24-2010, 04:55 PM
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Athenathefabulous
01-24-2010, 05:01 PM
In addition to the high house fee and cheaper dance prices, deja vu also takes $$ from each dance (usually 7/20) & $$ from VIPs & CRs. And that is a big reason why they are hated by all, and an even bigger reason why no one should move to SF right now to dance because all except 2 clubs (pretty much brothels) are owned by deja vu.

Deja Vu is convinced that they own sanfrancisco. When i was waiting to check out last night, i was staring at the VIP membership poster of hustler where it listed all of the clubs that hte VIP pass would grant you VIP access too.

And on the poster it seriously lists "all clubs in San Francisco."

sfcenterfoldz
01-24-2010, 09:01 PM
Yeah they own evvery club except 2.. Mitchell Brothers and Crazy Horse. So what does Deja u have to worry about they really do own that city and every dancer that steps foot in that city. More of a reason for me to quit Centerfolds and go to Crazy Horse. their pay outs only 120 i think!

It does seem criminal to keep the payout the same price. and taking away our high vip prices but not enforcing room fees thank god.

hot4ablackchick
01-24-2010, 10:31 PM
That just absolutely sucks. I work for Deja Vu and I think this kind of fee is ridiculous. $180 is a lot for only having $20 dances. That just seems way cheap for San Fran. I felt the same way when the kept running 2 for $30's, 2 for 20's, and the dreaded 3 for $30 all damn night. We all banded together and they put an end to it. I don't see how they can expect anyone to make a decent wage to live on with those prices.

sananeko
01-25-2010, 11:30 AM
In addition to the high house fee and cheaper dance prices, deja vu also takes $$ from each dance (usually 7/20) & $$ from VIPs & CRs. And that is a big reason why they are hated by all, and an even bigger reason why no one should move to SF right now to dance because all except 2 clubs (pretty much brothels) are owned by deja vu.
Ouch...

Bellaboowok
01-29-2010, 02:45 PM
Hello my moomoo head :-)

Anywho as far as the subject déjàvu is doing this to ensure that every girl makes there payout I heard it through the grapevine from another mAnager that works at Goldclub that they did this to Centerfolds and one other club because the club wasn't making there quota...

... So they force us to b cheap!! I have been dancng for a little over 4 years and 09 was shitty and 2010 isn't starting good I hve worked literally every club in sf except hungry I and little darlings and garden I haven't worked on broadway in 2 years but returning isn't good Centerfolds is by far one of the cleanest déjàvu clubs just about all the girls are pretty in shape and make $$$

This change is no good we have to do 50 dances !! To make a 1000 then pay out 200 I be never done 50 dances and only walk with 800 no bueno!!! Hopefully they see that they're working us to hard to benifit them. I like to call it corpret pimpin!

Kylea2
01-29-2010, 11:10 PM
Hello my moomoo head :-)
This change is no good we have to do 50 dances !! To make a 1000 then pay out 200 I be never done 50 dances and only walk with 800 no bueno!!! Hopefully they see that they're working us to hard to benifit them. I like to call it corpret pimpin!

I have done that many in a night and they are forgetting something HUGE. When a dancer does that many dances, it usually means she doesn't have time to go on stage. So their best dancers could potentially never be seen by the majority of customers.

sfcenterfoldz
01-31-2010, 10:35 PM
I wanted to report back.

20$ single song dances in our upstairs area. they can buy up to 2.
3 for 60$
5 for 100$.
10 for 200$ (30 mins.)

I personally am still making money. I've been trying to sell as many 100$ and 200$ dances. Once the customer gives me the money I sweetly let them know that the club takes alot of my money and any extra tips I actually get to keep .....and obviously i will return the favor by giving a fabulous lap dance. Its really easy to get them to do the 60, 100, or 200$ dance because once they hear we do 20$ dances and get them back there, we say "oh but its only a 3 or 5 song minimum" So to start out they kinda have to say atleast 60 or a 100. Unless they are really smart and or cheap bastard. Thuresday, Friday, and Saturday were all 1000$ nights... but alot of girls were discouraged with the 20$ dances and have sorta givin up for now but we'll see how this next week goes for everyone. Other girls have reported back to me too about their own earnings and some have said that they are doing just fine and that it may even be better than before. But others think its complete bull shit that we cant sell contact, demand tips, and dance for a short amount of time.

Friday I told this customer that we have a Vip room and that its 200$. He gave me 400$. And I love that we dont have room fees now. Before the same dance would be 500$ but out of that they take 180$ + 90$ room fee = Leaving me with a grand total of 270$ dollars. Yes, if a guy gave me 400$ before with the old system I would have been able to dance for half the time BUT only would have actually left with 170$ after pay out and room fee.

I will say this, my legs have never worked so hard in one weekend. Ive had to take baths every day to loosen my body up for another night. its lots of work!

sfcenterfoldz
01-31-2010, 10:46 PM
I have done that many in a night and they are forgetting something HUGE. When a dancer does that many dances, it usually means she doesn't have time to go on stage. So their best dancers could potentially never be seen by the majority of customers.


On a Saturday night with 40 girls and 4 stages open I went up 2 times.

Guys definently dont get to stair at all the girls on the floor. We are busy doing longer dances, its not so in-n-out anymore. and it seems like when we finally come out of our dances we are all like fresh meat to the customers intriguing them into getting a dance. And if girls are busy and not being lazy on the floor, guys are going to jump on us cute girls when they can get a chance!

I definently lost alot of money not being able to be one stage.. My stage money would sometimes add up to 200$... thats pretty much my payout which is nice cuz then all my lap dance money is mine.

Wendykins
02-01-2010, 11:14 AM
Ugh. Deja Vu makes me want to vomit. I wish this city had options.

I'm glad you're managing to make money on this system, but really you should seriously talk to a lawyer. Don't let their "no lawsuits" clause fool you-- they put a lot of bullshit in those contracts which are not legally binding because they're unconstitutional! It's just a scare tactic they use. For example, the part that says you are classified as an independent contractor is completely wrong and won't hold up in court. An independent contractor has control over what they charge and how they deliver the service, and Deja Vu dictates both. It's illegal for them to take *any* money from you-- so sue their asses! Many cases like this have been won in CA.

Bellaboowok
02-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Hey so I'm on bart have time to write ..

As for the 20$ thing $$ wise it's ok alot more work that's it's I think if they allow us to sell contact with these prices we would make even more $$$ also maybe the pAy out can b dropped $40 that wouldn't hurt but thurs was also ok but I have to say Saturday was really busy N good .. Imma give it a month and see how I feel but to me there's no where else to go not really stressn there always vegas and travlin;-)

Kylea2
02-01-2010, 07:45 PM
^^^ Haha, a club lowering daily payout? Fat chance! The clubs make a good portion of their money off their house fees (especially juice clubs)... they aren't going to voluntarily lower house fees.

LaylaJo
06-02-2010, 07:05 AM
Any update on this? Are the dance prices and payout still the same? I was thinking about trying centerfolds this summer ONLY because of the higher priced dances and option to remove clothing in the CR (I have trouble selling private rooms when I cant even take my top off).

loveyonetwo
06-02-2010, 05:35 PM
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Bellaboowok
06-03-2010, 01:29 AM
Hey so I work at Centerfolds and there are bad night like everyclub but I leave with 800 or more a night after payout and I live in a 3 bedroom house so I think it's all in the girl cause I have worked at Goldclub where your only topless on stage and to make money is your hustle not your body so once again it's the girl all in your hustle ladies if u can make it in sf u can make it anywhere I feel just got improve your game and you'll do good .. And everyclub except crazyhorse u need to make a 3 day schedual so like 1000 each day 3000 a week minimum that's 12000 a month minimum up your game ladies and ull do just fine

NREXM
06-03-2010, 10:10 PM
It's completely possible to be making $1,000+ given those prices. You just have to upsell rooms and blocks of time which does not sounds hard to do if customers were already paying those higher prices. A room may only be $400 an hour but if you keep him in there for 2 hours you already have made $800 and for only two hours of work most of which is just talking and drinking! You may have to readjust your hustle but it would be worth it.

I'd never do a nude dance for $20, that's just ridiculous. Even though its against the rules to overcharge for dances; it doesn't mean that you have to follow. Who knows between you and the customer what was paid for a dance (unless you have a cashier to collect or something). I use to work for Deja Vu in Seattle and their house fees were $140 and were only $20 dances. That didn't stop me from doubling the price and you know what, no customers complained because it was a mutual agreement. If the customer wants to pay then who's to stop the transaction. Those rules are just plain silly.

Kylea2
06-03-2010, 11:26 PM
^^^ Some of the Deja Vu clubs there don't have champagne rooms or VIP... so if Deja Vu is capping dance prices than it's going to be super hard.

loveyonetwo
06-04-2010, 02:50 AM
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Bellaboowok
06-05-2010, 02:11 AM
Wich side of the locker room are u on cuz it's more than enuff girls in there that easily make mire than 200 if I left with 200 everynight I would b broke lol and I'm far from I'm not saying everynight is a 1000 nite for me but for certain girls they don't make less than a g a night there and if u worked there u would know and u would know that a good majority of girls over charge and at least leave with 500 or more after pay out so iono maybe sometimes the club doesn't fit the girl u know

laurcon
06-06-2010, 01:44 PM
Wich side of the locker room are u on cuz it's more than enuff girls in there that easily make mire than 200 if I left with 200 everynight I would b broke lol and I'm far from I'm not saying everynight is a 1000 nite for me but for certain girls they don't make less than a g a night there and if u worked there u would know and u would know that a good majority of girls over charge and at least leave with 500 or more after pay out so iono maybe sometimes the club doesn't fit the girl u know

The certain girls that make at least 1k every single shift are usually offering something that guarantees a few sales ::)
Or perhaps have some amazing regulars... :-\

loveyonetwo
06-06-2010, 11:31 PM
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loveyonetwo
06-06-2010, 11:35 PM
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NREXM
06-07-2010, 01:32 AM
Hey loveyonetwo,

How do you know that girls are not making $1000+ on shifts? Do you have x-ray vision where you can see into each girl's purse? Do all the dancers congregate after work and discuss their nightly profits? Or are those just the girls you're cool with?

I'm guessing that you haven't been in the business long enough to understand why clubs always hire new dancers.

miabella
06-07-2010, 01:43 AM
In small clubs, being discreet doesn't matter. You (generic) can see pretty well who's making money, or other girls can if it's you that is constantly closing sales. They may not know exactly what you've made in such cases, but they can clearly see it's 'a bunch'.

If the club in question is pretty small, it would be fairly obvious if anyone was still making money at the reduced dance prices, and also if anyone was not.

Also, clubs tend to ramp up hiring when they do something stupid that screws the girls out of money potential in the hopes of getting in a bunch of new girls who won't know there was better money potential before.

NREXM
06-07-2010, 01:59 AM
If you have enough time to waste watching other girls get dances then you should not be a stripper. I'm sorry but I have more important things to do then point out which girls are closing sales. Slow nights are understandable but on busy nights? Your ass should be hustling and if your club is never busy then what the fuck are you doing wasting your time?

I've worked in a very small club before and most nights I did not know how much other girls were making by how many sales they were closing because you know what? I was the girl making the sales. Maybe more girls should strive for this rather than complaining about how the earning potential is so low amongst their caliber of dancers.

Clubs have nothing to lose hiring new dancers and everything to gain. Clubs don't care about individual girl's income, they only care about house fees and customers. Customers will come to a club knowing there is a wide selection of girls as opposed to a small selection.

Besides, the club in question is Deja Vu. They are notorious for hiring new dancers.

mediocrity
06-07-2010, 02:00 AM
Ugh. To be honest, I felt like more of a whore at this club than any other. I couldn't handle the contact, the prices were nice, and I went home with beaucoup dollars. But if you can't hang with the contact, like me, don't even try. ( Mind you this was in '05, and I have written about it extensively.)

I left after three weeks, and I see this $20 thing as a good thing.

loveyonetwo
06-07-2010, 09:29 AM
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loveyonetwo
06-07-2010, 09:33 AM
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Bellaboowok
06-08-2010, 03:20 AM
Well I'm sorry u don't mKe money becUse I do work there Nd Ctually just got home from work it's Monday and I left with 500 a bad night to me that a good niht for many but me it was bad but still left with 5 after pY out so maybe it's u xbecause if I only mDe 200 a night I would b a broke stripper so maybe u shouldn't base the club off your earnings cuz I have a morgage and ren I pay plus a car note And still live comfortably and able to travel and mike was the manager tonight and I haven't gottin fired I upsell all the time imma stripper your suppose to over charge I been in the game mNt years and maybe it's u fareal cuz I do work there and will b there tomorrow so maybe u need totry a lil harder cuz it's possible to leave with 4-5oo anight and that to me is a bad night so like I said before not everyclub is for everyone ohhh and as far as new girls who cares. A new girl shouldn't. Effect your money cuz wen u work other states like I do in Vegas u have 500+ girls workin it's all in your game and some girls don't have any...

loveyonetwo
06-08-2010, 03:39 AM
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Otoki
06-09-2010, 02:27 AM
^^Yeah I would be curious to see if she could give you her dancer name. And that was almost totally illegible.

I do hope that girls can still make decent money there. It seems to me that it shouldn't be too hard to sell the stacked dances.

joyount
06-10-2010, 04:17 AM
Yeah well its depending on what is the monthly income of the club.,.
You can gain that high rate..,.,if you do go out with you client or have a VIP. pay..

Otoki
06-15-2010, 03:20 AM
Yeah well its depending on what is the monthly income of the club.,.
You can gain that high rate..,.,if you do go out with you client or have a VIP. pay..
OK, seriously, I've seen you post a bunch in different threads and what you say doesn't make much sense. What's your deal?

loveyonetwo
06-16-2010, 12:10 AM
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VonCirce
06-21-2010, 11:14 PM
Do you think things will get better in the fall? I'm looking to start dancing in SF soon and from what I've read here, summers are slower. Do you think a lot of girls will leave after summer?

Also, do you have to have an SF address on your license, or any Bay Area address? I live in Berkeley.

loveyonetwo
06-23-2010, 02:45 AM
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VonCirce
06-23-2010, 10:32 AM
Thanks for all of that info. I'm definitely looking at this way differently than I did when I first started thinking of dancing.

How are day shifts?

loveyonetwo
06-23-2010, 10:59 AM
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AnnaPDX
06-23-2010, 06:18 PM
Just a quick comment to say that I've worked at a couple different clubs on Broadway and I have an out of state ID and no one has had a problem with that. I do live here in SF, but they haven't made me prove it. That's all.