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KS_Stevia
04-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Oh no, I live in Texas, not MA. My house got flooded some years ago.
bem401
04-03-2010, 11:28 AM
Oh no, I live in Texas, not MA. My house got flooded some years ago.
Your friendship with Yoda led me to think you lived in this area. My error. You folks have more weather drama than we do. I actually didn't realize what a big deal this was till i heard it being talked about on national news programs the night it was happening. And since you mention Texas, that band I mentioned earlier in the thread just returned from playing there but I realize your state is a little bit bigger than mine, so they probably weren't in any proximity to you.
yoda57us
04-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Let's just end this now or continue it one-on-one the next time you come down here to have someone scratch your itches.
As I've said before BEM, I don't go to strip clubs looking to have conversations with customers, least of all one who spreads gossip and innuendo indiscriminately about the same women he calls his friends. Save your one-on-one bs for someone who cares...
By the way, I don't consider myself an expert or a "luminary". Those are your words. I do however have opinions otherwise I wouldn't be posting here. You have proven time and time again on this board that you are unable to discern context therefore the fact that you say I said something is meaningless. This isn't math class BEM. Everything is not as black and white as you would like to paint it...
yoda57us
04-04-2010, 08:44 AM
Your friendship with Yoda led me to think you lived in this area. My error.
I get around BEM...
BTW, I am truly glad that you and your friends survived the floods in relatively good shape but you must have missed the news reports on parts of Massachusetts being declared a disaster area, the President touring the damages last week, the IRS giving folks in the heavily damaged areas an extra month to file their taxes and all the news reports of bridges, roads and parts of towns being under water. What happened in the Ocean State is truly horrific but we got a little rain up here too...
KS_Stevia
04-04-2010, 07:50 PM
Yoda, how did your properties fare from the flooding? Are you and your loved ones safe and ok?
yoda57us
04-04-2010, 10:24 PM
We are all OK KS, thank you for asking. There was severe flooding in my city near the river but, fortunately, I don't live in that part of town. There was a dam that was threatening to burst near my mom's building and, if it had, she wold have had to evacuate but luckily it didn't happen.
I guess I'm lucky. The house I lived in when I was married used to take on water in the basement pretty much on a regular basis. If I was still married I would probably still be living there! I can only imagine what the folks who live there now are gong through. Dozens of folks in the lower areas of my city have lost everything. One lady's house was actually lifted right off the foundation by the water.
I live in a condo with no basement and I'm quite happy about that...
bem401
04-05-2010, 06:25 AM
As I've said before BEM, I don't go to strip clubs looking to have conversations with customers, least of all one who spreads gossip and innuendo indiscriminately about the same women he calls his friends. Save your one-on-one bs for someone who cares...
Actually, I wasn't thinking so much about it being a conversation..... As far as spreading gossip and innuendo, I did no such thing. My only mistake was not realizing certain conclusions could be mistakenly jumped to that were by no means implied by me, much like a picture of a young golfer was somehow or other seen as kiddie porn. Concluding that two people spending time together outside the club necessarily means escorting is taking place only happens in the minds of people who are wrapped up in that lifestyle and see these women as sex workers or sex objects first and normal people second. Such people can take inocuous comments as gossip and innuendo because they are fixated on what that lifestyle involves.
You have proven time and time again on this board that you are unable to discern context therefore the fact that you say I said something is meaningless.
OK, so I guess I imagined that you made the Asian comment and a prior one about conversations.
bem401
04-05-2010, 06:33 AM
I get around BEM...
BTW, I am truly glad that you and your friends survived the floods in relatively good shape but you must have missed the news reports on parts of Massachusetts being declared a disaster area, the President touring the damages last week, the IRS giving folks in the heavily damaged areas an extra month to file their taxes and all the news reports of bridges, roads and parts of towns being under water. What happened in the Ocean State is truly horrific but we got a little rain up here too...
News around here focused strictly on RI. Even the national focused on RI, but given our size, generally anything we get, someone else gets too.
yoda57us
04-05-2010, 10:58 AM
I thought you were done...
At any rate, you have said nothing new here. Just the same old broken record arguments about the minutia of what was said or not said in another post. You keep falling back on the same one or two specifics but what I have are pages of emails from you that support my opinion. Your continued insistence that I have a problem because I go into a strip club and act like a customer instead of a time-wasting parasite is, as always, laughable but entertaining.
The national news had plenty of coverage concerning the flooding in Mass as well as RI and other states. As usual you made an off handed comment based on your myopic view of the world and you are now back-pedaling and claiming that, among other events, a presidential visit to Massachusetts that included touring flood damage in the state was not covered on the national nightly news. Come on BEM, I was born at night, but not last night...
The shelf life of a regular is the amount of money that he spends minus the amount of aggravation that comes along with it. I think it's pretty clear why your "friends" don't want your money...
Phil-W
04-05-2010, 11:38 AM
Is this a three minute argument - or is it the full half hour?
(Copyright Monty Python.....)
Phil.
bem401
04-05-2010, 04:45 PM
I think it's pretty clear why your "friends" don't want your money...
Yes, because they don't view me in the same light as you, yet several will socialize with me away from work (BTW, that doesn't mean they're escorting, FYI). Hell, I've even been treated to dinner by people you've paid to spend time with. Keep it up.
I don't watch the nightly news. Too biased. Obama was in MA for a fundraiser and blew off RI, that's all I heard. I was glad though to hear you escaped damage though, I wish that on no one.
One of my friends texted me a photo today of her destroyed apartment. Water to the ceiling at one point.
The club we discuss escaped any noticeable damage but a bridge within sight of it was destroyed and the river overflowed it's banks only a couple hundred yards away. There was all kinds of tires and garbage over its banks when I went by the other day.
Athenathefabulous
04-05-2010, 05:05 PM
Is this a three minute argument - or is it the full half hour?
(Copyright Monty Python.....)
Phil.
:rotfl:
KS_Stevia
04-05-2010, 05:42 PM
Yes, because they don't view me in the same light as you, yet several will socialize with me away from work (BTW, that doesn't mean they're escorting, FYI). Hell, I've even been treated to dinner by people you've paid to spend time with. Keep it up.
And I'm sure that someone else had gotten treated to dinner by my CPA. And my mechanic. And my psychologist. Hell, even my hairdresser spends free time with people whereas I have to pay her to listen to my whine while she does my hair. Imagine that. ;)
See where I'm going here? If yoda doesn't mind being a customer and keeping it professional, why keep attacking? If he didn't want to spend the money he wouldn't. Srsly, he is a very likeable guy. Just that some people prefer to simplify aspects of their lives.
yoda57us
04-05-2010, 07:28 PM
Yes, because they don't view me in the same light as you, yet several will socialize with me away from work (BTW, that doesn't mean they're escorting, FYI). Hell, I've even been treated to dinner by people you've paid to spend time with. Keep it up.
BEM, you have not cornered the market on dancer friends. I simply choose not to come here and prattle on and on about my experiences with dancers outside of the club. By the way, I'm not sure what would give you the idea that I ever thought you were paying your friends to escort for you. I've never even mentioned it where either they or you are concerned.
I make it a habit to pay for the meal when I dine with a lady...call me old fashioned...
dlabtot
04-05-2010, 09:11 PM
Your continued insistence that I have a problem because I go into a strip club and act like a customer instead of a time-wasting parasite is, as always, laughable but entertaining.
Wrong. It is laughable. Period.
bem401
04-06-2010, 05:51 AM
See where I'm going here? If yoda doesn't mind being a customer and keeping it professional, why keep attacking? If he didn't want to spend the money he wouldn't. Srsly, he is a very likeable guy. Just that some people prefer to simplify aspects of their lives.
KS, any of my "attacks" on him are in response to his on me. I initiate nothing, I only react. As far as him being likeable, one of his dancers told me a couple years ago that she thought he and I would actually get along were we ever to meet. It got a laugh out of me but I'll admit this girl generally knows her stuff. Now you watch, he'll find something in this post to attack.
And Yoda, I always pick up the dinner tab unless the lady I happen to be with insists on doing so, and on a few occasions or more, the woman has insisted. And as far as "prattling on" on about outside experiences, I've only done that to explain why being a customer no longer works, at least at the (only) club I visit. As I've said before, I find myself in this situation quite by accident. It was never my goal to arrive here. It just happened.
Tdonuts
04-06-2010, 08:52 AM
Are we still talking about "regulars" and how long they last ???
yoda57us
04-06-2010, 09:00 AM
KS, any of my "attacks" on him are in response to his on me. I initiate nothing, I only react. As far as him being likeable, one of his dancers told me a couple years ago that she thought he and I would actually get along were we ever to meet. It got a laugh out of me but I'll admit this girl generally knows her stuff. Now you watch, he'll find something in this post to attack.
LOL, your friend is wrong...and so are you...
And Yoda, I always pick up the dinner tab unless the lady I happen to be with insists on doing so, and on a few occasions or more, the woman has insisted.
Yeah, I've had them insist as well. I am always flattered by the offer. I politely thank them and pay anyways. They always appreciate it.
And as far as "prattling on" on about outside experiences, I've only done that to explain why being a customer no longer works, at least at the (only) club I visit. As I've said before, I find myself in this situation quite by accident. It was never my goal to arrive here. It just happened.
Yes BEM, we've heard it a thousand times. The reality however is that, quite often, your are babbling about your status with these women as an attempted means of putting me down. It doesn't work of course. Since you know nothing about my real world relationships with any sex workers you are basically talking out of your ass when you start trying to compare your life to mine.
hockeybobby
04-06-2010, 03:23 PM
Are we still talking about "regulars" and how long they last ???
WTF!! Are you trying to threadjack or something? Start your own thread if you wanna talk about that.
:D
Tdonuts
04-07-2010, 04:37 AM
....Start your own thread if you wanna talk about that.
:D
...I may just do that.
bem401
04-07-2010, 06:14 AM
LOL, your friend is wrong...and so are you...
1. I was right to laugh.
2. She is generally right, though I'll pass along your comment that she isn't.
3. Of course, you found something to attack, just like I predicted ( I told you, KS)
There are 3 things in that post alone that were accurate.
Yes BEM, we've heard it a thousand times. The reality however is that, quite often, your are babbling about your status with these women as an attempted means of putting me down. It doesn't work of course. Since you know nothing about my real world relationships with any sex workers you are basically talking out of your ass when you start trying to compare your life to mine.
I think you are just overly defensive about the way you behave. I comment on a thread without mentioning you at all. You see yourself in what the thread is criticizing and choose to attack me personally for not being a customer like you.
As far as comparing my life to yours, I've never done that. Apparently you do. BTW, one difference is apparent. The girls I have real world interaction with are not considered or called sex workers by me because that has nothing to do with the way I see them. Apparently its a big part of the way you see them, since you label them as such.
Lets just finish this argument one on one next time you waddle into town and I see you.
yoda57us
04-07-2010, 07:24 AM
LOL, of course BEM you are entitled to think whatever you like. I have my opinion and you have yours.
The women that you call friends and that work in a strip club work in the sex industry BEM. That's not a derogatory term , at least not from my side. If you see it as a negative I can't help that. Obviously most dancers I know don't broadcast what they do for a living outside of a small circle of trusted people and I don't walk around introducing my dancer or escort friends as sex workers when we are in public. That's just common sense BEM, something you seem to be severely lacking in.
You say that you don't compare my life to yours but you just did it again in your last post.
What is this obsession you have with meeting me in person BEM? You have been bugging me since your first email to me years ago to seek you out when I'm in Providence. Have you not yet gotten the point that I'm not interested? There is no argument to finish. You are just another faceless handle on Stripperweb to me BEM. We do what many people do, exchange opinions on the internet. You seem to think it's personal because we both know a few of the same people. Well, it's not BEM. When I log off from SW you don't exist in my life. When I take the time to drive to RI and visit a strip club I am doing it to visit with a stripper and yes, spend money on her. I don't make the trip to waste time arguing with bar flys...If I ever decide I want a crash course on how to get banned from strip clubs I will contact you, otherwise, don't hold your breath...
lol, "waddle" well, at least you are not making it personal now are you?
Babble on BEM...
KS_Stevia
04-07-2010, 10:42 AM
Sex workers accept being called, considered, and looked at, as sex workers. Otherwise, they don't last very long in the industry. There are plenty of other occupations available to women.
yoda57us
04-07-2010, 11:17 AM
Are we still talking about "regulars" and how long they last ???
I'm going to visit one tonight that I've known for about ten years. Does that help?
Tdonuts
04-07-2010, 06:17 PM
I'm going to visit one tonight that I've known for about ten years. Does that help?
sure does, thanks for the input
bem401
04-08-2010, 05:49 AM
What is this obsession you have with meeting me in person BEM? You have been bugging me since your first email to me years ago to seek you out when I'm in Providence. Have you not yet gotten the point that I'm not interested? There is no argument to finish. You are just another faceless handle on Stripperweb to me BEM. We do what many people do, exchange opinions on the internet. You seem to think it's personal because we both know a few of the same people. Well, it's not BEM. When I log off from SW you don't exist in my life. When I take the time to drive to RI and visit a strip club I am doing it to visit with a stripper and yes, spend money on her. I don't make the trip to waste time arguing with bar flys...If I ever decide I want a crash course on how to get banned from strip clubs I will contact you, otherwise, don't hold your breath...
lol, "waddle" well, at least you are not making it personal now are you?
Obsession with meeting you? LOL. I know who you are. I suggested meeting once years ago, before I was aware of this site and the delusions of grandeur you displayed here. My interest in encountering you now is for a whole different reason.
Getting banned? Just look out for one friend's best interests, say fuck everyone else, and act accordingly. Reversing it is easy, it requires only that you have the right connections. Once again, you try to turn things personal though.
I'll keep an eye out down here.
bem401
04-08-2010, 05:57 AM
Sex workers accept being called, considered, and looked at, as sex workers. Otherwise, they don't last very long in the industry. There are plenty of other occupations available to women.
Even by their supposed real life friends? I know they accept that from customers and the general public. Most of my friends are trying to distance themselves from the club and what they are doing or did for a living. They would not appreciate being labeled as a sex worker by real-life friends.
yoda57us
04-08-2010, 06:18 AM
I'll keep an eye out down here.
Dude, keep an eye out for what? I could care less if you know what I look like. You outed yourself to me years ago at CD simply by shooting your mouth off to a bartender when I happened to be sitting at her bar. I didn't introduce myself then and I have no intention of acknowledging you in the future. There are at least a couple of guys floating around Providence that I maintain a similar status with. We are all smart enough to know that the internet is the internet and the club is the club. When I am interested in meeting someone I seek them out.
BTW, we both know that there have been several bannings in several clubs. Don't strain yourself trying to figure out who told me BEM, you did it yourself in your own emails. It's a pattern of behavior for you BEM, you don't think that the rules of common courtesy and common sense apply to you. I make it a habit to avoid trouble makers and gossips.
KS_Stevia
04-08-2010, 10:57 AM
Even by their supposed real life friends? I know they accept that from customers and the general public. Most of my friends are trying to distance themselves from the club and what they are doing or did for a living. They would not appreciate being labeled as a sex worker by real-life friends.
I have a friend, Jay the lawyer. Another friend, Tom the accountant. Another friend, Maria the software developer. Etc, ad nauseum.
Its just an occupation, and yes, everyone somewhat labels everyone based on their occupation. I wouldn't treat ANY of my friends with disrespect, no matter who they were, as long as they weren't harming others.
You seem to take great issue with the sex industry man. That's the reason that your friends have to distance themselves from it. I've had to make a conscious effort to do it myself IRL. Its because of judgemental hypocrites acting like a sex worker/stripper is somehow sub-human and not deserving of common respect.
Its not necessarily because they are ashamed of themselves or their work as adult industry professionals, its to PROTECT themselves against judgement and action by others who have deeply bred issues with sexuality.
Personally, I think my having been a stripper is badass. I would shout it from the hilltops if I knew it wouldn't cause a lot of static and harm my relationships with family and employers. All of my friends know I was a stripper, and still hang out with me. But when introducing me to new people, they know better than to say, "this is my friend K, the stripper." However, when we spend time privately, and, say, for example, I am wearing some very high heels, they can casually joke, "haha, K, did you get those out of your old stripper wardrobe?" We all have a laugh and no one is offended.
I am having a really hard time making my point to you Bem, because it all seems really natural and intuitive to me. There is nothing wrong with being a sex worker. However, predominant society things it is bad, judeo-christian amoral, etc. So, a sex worker/former sex worker chooses her friends wisely, on the basis that they accept her for who she is, maintain discretion in public, and can be on her team when she has a laugh about the idiosynchrasies or her job.
yoda57us
04-08-2010, 12:58 PM
^ Actually I think you made your point quite well. My experiences are similar. My friends who are sex workers or ex sex workers really have no trouble with their occupation-past or present-and speak of it rather freely when they are in the company of trusted friends. A couple of years ago I managed to put two friends of mine from different parts of my past, both of whom had or still do dance and/or escort, into the same room for an evening and the conversation was absolutely hysterical. I can't remember ever hearing three people laughing so much about everything from guys paying strippers to piss in a bottle to the various fetishes of escort and S&M customers. I even got roasted a bit by the both of them. It was a riot!
Disrespect is in the eye of the beholder BEM. I know exactly where I stand with every woman I am friends with and I can assure you that it's on very solid ground. I could honestly care less what you may think of me or my approach.
bem401
04-09-2010, 05:20 AM
BTW, we both know that there have been several bannings in several clubs. Don't strain yourself trying to figure out who told me BEM, you did it yourself in your own emails. It's a pattern of behavior for you BEM, you don't think that the rules of common courtesy and common sense apply to you. .
Several? LOL, try one brief one in addition to the one mentioned, by a shortly-thereafter terminated GM whose name is no longer allowed to even be mentioned in the club (and not because of his incident with me).
bem401
04-09-2010, 05:55 AM
I have a friend, Jay the lawyer. Another friend, Tom the accountant. Another friend, Maria the software developer. Etc, ad nauseum.
Its just an occupation, and yes, everyone somewhat labels everyone based on their occupation. I wouldn't treat ANY of my friends with disrespect, no matter who they were, as long as they weren't harming others.
You seem to take great issue with the sex industry man. That's the reason that your friends have to distance themselves from it. I've had to make a conscious effort to do it myself IRL. Its because of judgemental hypocrites acting like a sex worker/stripper is somehow sub-human and not deserving of common respect.
Its not necessarily because they are ashamed of themselves or their work as adult industry professionals, its to PROTECT themselves against judgement and action by others who have deeply bred issues with sexuality.
Personally, I think my having been a stripper is badass. I would shout it from the hilltops if I knew it wouldn't cause a lot of static and harm my relationships with family and employers. All of my friends know I was a stripper, and still hang out with me. But when introducing me to new people, they know better than to say, "this is my friend K, the stripper." However, when we spend time privately, and, say, for example, I am wearing some very high heels, they can casually joke, "haha, K, did you get those out of your old stripper wardrobe?" We all have a laugh and no one is offended.
I am having a really hard time making my point to you Bem, because it all seems really natural and intuitive to me. There is nothing wrong with being a sex worker. However, predominant society things it is bad, judeo-christian amoral, etc. So, a sex worker/former sex worker chooses her friends wisely, on the basis that they accept her for who she is, maintain discretion in public, and can be on her team when she has a laugh about the idiosynchrasies or her job.
I disagree with nothing you say. The women with whom I'm friendly have absolutely had it with the business and want nothing more than to walk away from it and act like it never happened. Some of those I'm particularly friendly with are girls I have known for years but never been a customer to. Our interaction is unrelated to what they do or did for a living and mentioning that to them or about them would not go down well in the least.
I'm not being critical of any of the women with whom I'm friendly when I say they wouldn't appreciate it if they thought I thought of them or referred to them as sex workers. They'd think of that as being disrespectful. That's all.
yoda57us
04-09-2010, 07:48 AM
Several? LOL, try one brief one in addition to the one mentioned, by a shortly-thereafter terminated GM whose name is no longer allowed to even be mentioned in the club (and not because of his incident with me).
Funny, his name was mentioned several times the other night between myself and one of the club's employees. Don't be so dramatic BEM. This is a free country. People can say whatever they want...
KS_Stevia
04-09-2010, 01:42 PM
Several? LOL, try one brief one in addition to the one mentioned, by a shortly-thereafter terminated GM whose name is no longer allowed to even be mentioned in the club (and not because of his incident with me).
Even one banning is too much. Just the fact that you've been banned from a titty bar and people all over the internet know about it...I'd be so ashamed.
bem401
04-10-2010, 10:39 AM
Funny, his name was mentioned several times the other night between myself and one of the club's employees. Don't be so dramatic BEM. This is a free country. People can say whatever they want...
Try mentioning it to the owner or his family. Some people down here are surprised the scumbag is still alive because of the shit he pulled on them. As a joke, someone wanted to put his name on one of those fund-raising wall decals at Christmas and was told "no fucking way".
bem401
04-10-2010, 10:49 AM
Even one banning is too much. Just the fact that you've been banned from a titty bar and people all over the internet know about it...I'd be so ashamed.
Yeah you're right, looking out for the best interests of a friend with a dangerous alcohol problem is something to be ashamed of. I knew what I did was a risk before I did it but it was still the right thing to do. BTW, I've been told its no longer in effect by influential people. I just don't find myself in that part of town any longer.
yoda57us
04-10-2010, 10:58 AM
Try getting a clue BEM. I know they don't like the guy but, again, his name has come up in conversation with myself and the club manager (who is a family member) both involved in the conversation. The room did not explode, the earth did not stand still, we all survived. Again, stop being so dramatic.
KS_Stevia
04-10-2010, 11:06 AM
I just think its so weird to be proud of knowing "influential" people in the industry. Dude, its the titty bar racket, its a scummy business full of shady people. But the money is good and the hours are flexible. Still, I don't EVER brag to people about my dealings within the industry...I just think its rad to be a stripper because its fun and relatively easy money. I like the scumminess of it all. Owners and management...usually just a step up from cro-magnum man.
bem401
04-10-2010, 11:27 AM
I just think its so weird to be proud of knowing "influential" people in the industry. Dude, its the titty bar racket, its a scummy business full of shady people. But the money is good and the hours are flexible. Still, I don't EVER brag to people about my dealings within the industry...I just think its rad to be a stripper because its fun and relatively easy money. I like the scumminess of it all. Owners and management...usually just a step up from cro-magnum man.
I'm not the one who even brought up the issue. Either you or your friend have brought it up more than once. I told you what precipitated it and I told you I've been told its been squashed. I neither asked for it to be squashed nor care that it has been because I have no interest in visiting the place at this point in time, yet the two of you keep revisiting the issue.
yoda57us
04-10-2010, 11:30 AM
I just think its rad to be a stripper because its fun and relatively easy money. I like the scumminess of it all. Owners and management...usually just a step up from cro-magnum man.
Or often a step below...
I agree there is a shelf life. What I am curious about is if the expiration is due to time (familiarity breeds contempt) or money ie: the dancer sees a declining ROI.
FBR
yoda57us
04-10-2010, 03:58 PM
I agree there is a shelf life. What I am curious about is if the expiration is due to time (familiarity breeds contempt) or money ie: the dancer sees a declining ROI.
FBR
I think it can be either or both FBR. I have a long history with many women and the reason is simple. I don't expect more for less as time goes on and I don't pressure them to do things that they don't want to do. This doesn't mean that my ROI doesn't go up with some gals as time goes on but it's a natural progression. It's not something that I expect or try to force but I happily accept it.
On the other hand I have dumped favs who started to take me and my monetary contributions for granted. It's a fine line. In my experience the customer manages to screw up far more often than the dancer does but not always.
The biggest mistake that a regular can make is to assume that his money, however much it is, is worth more than another customer's money. It's not. Unless you are gonna come in every shift and buy-out a dancer's night you are always going to be just one of many that she needs to make a living.
yoda57us
04-10-2010, 04:11 PM
I'm not the one who even brought up the issue.
Oh, I happily admit to bringing it up...;D
You have no problem mentioning, over and over, that I pay dancers for attention. I still don't see how that's a problem since that's why they are stripping to begin with and that's also why most men go into a strip club but hey, that's your hang-up, not mine. Of course, being that this is a board about strippers and strip clubs I see nothing wrong with mentioning that there have been occasions when people who own strip clubs and make a living by serving customers would rather not have you inside their building. I just think that's hysterical, even if it's only temporary. Honestly BEM I can't even comprehend what I could do inside a strip club to ever get myself banned...
KS_Stevia
04-11-2010, 11:08 AM
Exactly. I've seen bar regulars sit in my clubs every single day, getting drunk and belligerant, spreading gossip, bothering the dancers without spending any money. And the owners/management let them stick around.
So now we know what led to the first banning. That's plausible, I'm willing to suspend my disbelief for one banning, shit happens, sometimes certain dancers are more influential to management than others.
However, what led to the second banning at yet another club? I'm having a hard time believing that, as sleazy as the SC industry is, and with all management sees day to day, that they would make a second effort to ban a paying customer, particularly in this economic environment. I'm assuming have always been buying drinks/food for yourself and dancers, right?
That's the only reason I can imagine for multiple bannings...custy gets involved in dancer drama AND isn't spending any money in the club.
bem401
04-11-2010, 12:03 PM
Oh, I happily admit to bringing it up...;D
You just can't let things die, can you?
You have no problem mentioning, over and over, that I pay dancers for attention. I still don't see how that's a problem since that's why they are stripping to begin with and that's also why most men go into a strip club but hey, that's your hang-up, not mine.p
I was once a customer at least equal to you for the first several months to a year that I visited clubs. When I came to realize the only thing the same girls I encountered every week might be interested in was the stack of bills in my pocket, I pulled the plug on it. WTF, I wasn't that desperate for attention. Because I had more than a stack of 20's to offer them and stopped regarding them as or treating them like strippers, something different developed that led to some real-life friendships. It never was, nor have I claimed it to be part of, some master plan on my part. For some reason, you feel that attacking me eases your mind since you've spent decades doing what I found distasteful in a matter of months.
Honestly BEM I can't even comprehend what I could do inside a strip club to ever get myself banned...
Of course not, you're a brown-nose looking to endear himself to such establishments and their employees. I made the great "mistake" of looking out for a friend and acting in her best interests. The other dancers and the owner were of no consideration. BTW, my actions were appreciated by the people I did them for.
The rest is as much a response to KS's post as to yours. As you posted earlier, yoda, the guy involved in the other banning is not very highly considered any longer. He tried banning me because he thought I was some poster on that other site, a poster who you, BTW, admitted knowing. I'd never even heard of the guy. That GM walked around, portraying himself as some sort of big shot, made a habit out of banning customers, firing employees and basically trying to intimidate everyone in the club, at least until he was challenged. Virtually everyone in the club was glad to see he'd lost a pissing contest. That banning was imposed 6 years ago, lasted a few months, and that guy has been gone for 4 or 5 years now. And for the record, KS, the club in which that happened is now essentially the only club I currently visit. And KS, as I've said a hundred times before, I'm not there every day, I don't drink, I'm not bellligerent, I don't spread gossip, and I don't bother dancers. I go there to kill an hour and then I leave.
KS_Stevia
04-11-2010, 12:10 PM
I give up.
Phil-W
04-11-2010, 01:13 PM
At the risk of becoming involved in the world's longest running argument...
I was once a customer at least equal to you for the first several months to a year that I visited clubs. When I came to realize the only thing the same girls I encountered every week might be interested in was the stack of bills in my pocket, I pulled the plug on it...Because I had more than a stack of 20's to offer them and stopped regarding them as or treating them like strippers, something different developed that led to some real-life friendships.
The oldest OTC friendship I have with a dancer probably goes back close to 10 years now. There are one or two others that go back almost as long. In every case (if I think about it) it was the dancer's choice to start the friendship process - and they controlled the pace that the OTC aspects of that friendship grew. (And I can only maintain a few OTC friendships - I have neither the time nor the money to do more....)
The abiding characteristic of the OTC friendships that I have is that they do not want me in the venue unless by direct invitation. They go to work to earn money from customers - not to meet me as a friend.
There are two and only two reasons that I get asked to come to venues:
(a) It's difficult for the dancer to get to/from the venue and a lift from me helps.
(b) It's a stressful venue to work at and they feel more comfortable with me around.
I can't think of any other reasons I get invited to meet them at work.
We are perfectly capable of arranging to meet on days they are not working. I personally far prefer meeting them for a glass of wine in the evening to going in to meet them at work (and for some strange reason, so do they).
I made the great "mistake" of looking out for a friend and acting in her best interests. The other dancers and the owner were of no consideration. BTW, my actions were appreciated by the people I did them for.
I never, but never, get involved in a dancer's business at work. If I feel a dancer needs advice from me, she gets it outside of work, and she's free to accept the advice or reject it as she wishes.
The day I feel as a casual observer of strip venues that I understand the business better than the dancers who work in the business or the owners that run it, is the day I'll open up my own strip club.
Phil.
KS_Stevia
04-11-2010, 01:54 PM
Thank you Phil. We needed a fresh perspective here.
And Bem, I thought the dancers chose to stop asking you for dances, proclaiming you their friend? You story has changed.
yoda57us
04-11-2010, 08:15 PM
I was once a customer at least equal to you for the first several months to a year that I visited clubs. When I came to realize the only thing the same girls I encountered every week might be interested in was the stack of bills in my pocket, I pulled the plug on it. WTF, I wasn't that desperate for attention. Because I had more than a stack of 20's to offer them and stopped regarding them as or treating them like strippers, something different developed that led to some real-life friendships.
Again BEM, you continue to try and claim that you have friends who are strippers because you don't spend money on them. I am here to tell you that I have friends who are strippers and I do or did spend money on them...lots of it. Some are still dancing some are retired but the relationships outside of the club are real. That being said however I don't go to see my friends at work and not spend money on them. That simply is not right.
yoda57us
04-12-2010, 05:51 AM
You just can't let things die, can you?
This is pretty comical, coming from you...
I was once a customer at least equal to you for the first several months to a year that I visited clubs. When I came to realize the only thing the same girls I encountered every week might be interested in was the stack of bills in my pocket, I pulled the plug on it.
First of all it's not a contest. Who cares if you where "equal" to me when you where a legitimate customer instead of a gossiping barfly? It's irrelevant. That being said, there is nothing wrong with deciding that strip clubs are not for you. You didn't. You just stopped spending money in them. If the environment bothers you so much why not just take your friends out to lunch-there are tons of great restaurants in Providence-and stay out of strip clubs?
Of course not, you're a brown-nose looking to endear himself to such establishments and their employees.
So, in other words, I'm a good customer, not a banned customer? I can live with that...