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Melonie
04-06-2010, 03:39 PM
Do they think that we are going to have money if they keep this up? You only make money if you go to work. I am just barely surviving because I am afraid to work.

When you work as a lap dancer the guys expect you to do a lap dance. I have never come across guys who are ok with air dances especially in Las Vegas.

This is basically the same dilemma that now exists in many cities. By following the letter of the law, there is no way that a dancer can earn any decent amount of money ... because customers will simply not spend money on zero contact dances. But when dancers follow 'normal' club procedure in order to satisfy 'normal' customer expectations, they subject themselves to a potential bust.

Insane example #1 ( from Texas ). Two girls were dancing onstage at the same time, with customers tipping at the rail. One dancer 'accidentally' touched the other dancer's breast. An undercover cop sitting at the rail busted both dancers for prostitution. It seems that in Texas merely touching the breast is considered to be 'sexual contact', and there is no stipulation in Texas law that the person paying for 'sexual contact' needs to also be receiving the sexual contact.

As to 'real world' dancer's rights, essentially you have the right to produce a club security video tape clearly showing that no contact occurred between yourself and the undercover cop who busted you. In the absence of such 'hard' evidence, you face the reality of a jury consisting of housewives, retirees and civil servants deciding whether to believe a well respected local cop or a 'stripper' who is stereotyped that she will say or do anything in her own self interest.

In the 'real world', you have the right to plead innocent in a local court, the right to be found guilty in a local court, the right to have your 'sherriff's card' suspended for months pending appeal, and the right to spend $5000+ on a private attorney's fees to successfully appeal the local court conviction in a higher court. Or you can pay a $500 fine / accept a plea bargain, and go back to work the following evening.

XAnastasiaX
04-06-2010, 04:04 PM
In the 'real world', you have the right to plead innocent in a local court, the right to be found guilty in a local court, the right to have your 'sherriff's card' suspended for months pending appeal, and the right to spend $5000+ on a private attorney's fees to successfully appeal the local court conviction in a higher court. Or you can pay a $500 fine / accept a plea bargain, and go back to work the following evening.

Something tells me being a "stripper attorney" would be a very lucrative business!

loren
04-06-2010, 11:46 PM
You just have to start readjusting your dance routine, EVERY TIME YOU WORK, so that when VICE comes in you have nothing to worry about. Don't worry about what the other girls are doing, they will get what's due to them eventually. They all do in one way or another;). Plus, not allowing for heavy dances on the floor opens up the door to more VIP sales. The customers actually expect a lot less from you in VIP if your dances on the floor are timid. Use your sales tactics and charm to do the hard work for you, let them open up that wallet and get paid upfront. What they expect is not your problem. You are a dancer, not a hoe.


I am never worried about guys who expect sex or think its ok to put there hands on or in my private area. I can't imagine that anyone would ever want to have a complete stranger put their hands on or in her private area. When a customer crosses the line to putting his hand inside a gstring to try to stick his fingers in; that is attempted rape. Obviously there are girls who feel like they have to comply in order to make money which is sad. I have no sympathy for bad people who think it ok to commit attempted rape. I don't waste time being rude to them because I don't want negative energy in my life. As long as I smile and tell them no in a polite way, I have never had a bad response. (take that back.. 2times both vips one walked out the other was a total ocoto arm nightmare. looking back I should have just walked out)

I have definately adjusted my dance routine. My dances are very different from what they used to be.
I have found that when I am not able to do what I consider a good lap dance (traditional vegas grind style) that the guys are really grabby. When I do what I consider to be a good dance the guys don't touch me at all.
I don't know if it's my attitude? Maybe I seemed more confident when I did what I felt were good dances? I will try to work on that. It seems to me that in the last few months the guys are getting more grabby--is it to prove that they are not cops??? I don't know.

All I know is that I never used to have guys grab at me on the floor where I work. And just knowing that cops aren't allowed to grab in Las Vegas makes me feel less scared when I dance for a guy who does grab. Even though it pisses me off and I don't want to be sexually assualted for $20 dances all night.

I feel comfortable with my new routine but it seems like the guys don't like it because they are more grabby. Or maybe they just want to prove they are not a cop?? I don't know what it is. Maybe they like my new dances more which makes them more grabby???? I just don't understand.

Has anyone else had the experience of going from doing a regular grinding dance style to doing a more airy light dance style?

All I know is that I was safer from grabby customers by doing the traditional vegas grind style. At one point I worked in a club that was so severe with grabby customers that I had to develop an extremely agressive hardcore dance style so the custys would leave me alone. So my trusty old dance style that I developed was really the best way for me to defend my self. And now I feel defenseless.

loren
04-07-2010, 12:45 AM
This is basically the same dilemma that now exists in many cities. By following the letter of the law, there is no way that a dancer can earn any decent amount of money ... because customers will simply not spend money on zero contact dances. But when dancers follow 'normal' club procedure in order to satisfy 'normal' customer expectations, they subject themselves to a potential bust.

I realize that a lot of girls have issues with a grinding dance. I am not offended by grinding in any way. I used to always mix it up. I did grind....but not for the entire song. I think grinding for the entire song is bad for business because it makes it impossible to sell vip.

I agree with Melonie about normal lap dance expectations. I know that there are plenty of other girls on this site as well who understand the importance of "controlled contact".

The whole point of a lap dance is "controlled contact grinding". That is what guys expect from a lap dance. If you have no contact with their lap during the dance then it can't be called a lap dance.

I don't feel that controlled contact grinding is bad or "dirty". I feel like that is my job as a lap dancer. I really don't understand why anyone feels like that is offensive. To me it not at all offensive. The only thing that offends me are girls who are stupid enough to do it for the entire song.

I honestly don't believe that anyone should wind up with a criminal record for prostitution for doing a lap dance. To me it seems absurd to think that things will go back to the way the were in the 1950's. It's unrealistic.

When I hear of girls getting criminal prostitution records along with a $1,000 ticket for doing a lap dance- I think that is tragic. Especially when a girl is sexually assaulted by a customer or cop. No one deserves to deal with that kind of abuse of power and harassment simply for doing a lap dance.

In the U.S. everybody has the right to earn a living in the career of their choice. I feel like the cops are trying to take away that right by falsely claiming that accepting a dollar bill between my boobs, touching my own leg or doing a lap dance is prostitution.

Melonie
04-07-2010, 03:28 AM
Something tells me being a "stripper attorney" would be a very lucrative business!

Actually not ... because the vast majority of busted dancers will simply accept a plea bargain arranged by the club's attorney or simply plead guilty and pay the fine.



honestly don't believe that anyone should wind up with a criminal record for prostitution for doing a lap dance. To me it seems absurd to think that things will go back to the way the were in the 1950's. It's unrealistic.

When I hear of girls getting criminal prostitution records along with a $1,000 ticket for doing a lap dance- I think that is tragic. Especially when a girl is sexually assaulted by a customer or cop. No one deserves to deal with that kind of abuse of power and harassment simply for doing a lap dance.

this actually points to the ultimate irony of the situation. When local laws treat a 'normal' lap dance with the same legal severity as an act of prostitution, guess what ... dancers face no additional legal risk by actually performing acts of prostitution than from performing 'normal' lap dances. However, the additional earnings potential realized by performing acts of prostitution allows a busted 'dirty' dancer to hire the best private attorney in town ... which greatly increases her chances of the charges being dropped ( thus no black mark on her criminal record ) or at least pled down to a non-sex related charge. In contrast a 'clean' dancer busted for giving a 'normal' lap dance probably cannot afford this level of individual legal representation, thus is far more likely to plead guilty or accept a club arranged plea bargain ( which leaves her with a black mark on her criminal record )

In other words, from a painfully blunt standpoint, one's personal view of giving a controlled contact lap dance versus performing a HJ or BJ may involve a world of 'moral' difference. However, where the law is concerned, no such 'moral' difference exists. And to any future employer, family court etc. who happens to check a busted dancer's criminal record, there will be no apparent distinction whatsoever.

loren
04-08-2010, 02:17 AM
^^^^^It almost seems like the cops have something to gain by pushing regular dancers into prostitution.

Melonie
04-08-2010, 03:13 PM
^^^ well, technically their bosses do ... i.e. the local DA's, judges and city council members. They get to tell local voters that strip clubs are 'whore-houses' and that they are being 'cleaned up' ... which is usually good for both re-election votes and a law enforcement budget increase !

loren
04-10-2010, 01:00 AM
and a law enforcement budget increase !
^^^^Not good for votes in this town!!!

According to all the other sites I have seen on this subject Hughes and Gillespie will definately be unemployed this November. I have not heard anyone say one positive thing about the Las Vegas 2010 Joshephina and Jo Mcarthy corrupt duo.

I don't think they need a law enforcement budget increase. It seems blatantly obvious to me that they need a decrease. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dollars they have spent in the last 5 months trying to bust non criminal behaviour.

I have been under McCarthy style observation for several months now. On Wednesday night I saw the same two observation cops that are in there all the time. When I went to vip the cop took a girl into the vip and sat next to me and my custy.

This girl did a full frontal grind with both legs off the ground before he told her to just talk and do air dances--obviously so he could watch me. (who pays 100 dollars for conversation and airdances for three songs? Only McCarthy style cops with no morals whatsoever, frivolously throwing away tax payer money!) Oh ya I forgot the $30 drink charge.

And yes this cop literally follows me into vip everytime and watches. I always had one leg on the ground the whole time. They obviously don't care about busting anyone who does things they aren't supposed to otherwise that girl would have been busted.

I have not sold more than a three for a hundred in a long time. Why I am under this McCarthy style observation I will never know. If this continues through November I'll be taking the bus to work from a homeless shelter. What a nightmare!!!!

NREXM
04-10-2010, 07:41 PM
I just recently started dancing in Vegas and this whole Vice thing is new to me. How do you get busted exactly? There are so many girls in the clubs and so crowded that I can't imagine someone remembering me specifically and I give different customers different names. I'm not doing air dances but I'm also not doing super high contact dances (customers are allowed to rub my sides, legs, etc). Is there signs of what I should look out for?

AdventureBaby
04-11-2010, 03:55 PM
I just recently started dancing in Vegas and this whole Vice thing is new to me. How do you get busted exactly? There are so many girls in the clubs and so crowded that I can't imagine someone remembering me specifically and I give different customers different names. I'm not doing air dances but I'm also not doing super high contact dances (customers are allowed to rub my sides, legs, etc). Is there signs of what I should look out for?

I've been told so many things that it's made my head spin. Basically from what I've been told by veteran dancers in Vegas is ... vice can ticket or arrest you for just about anything ... i.e.; custy touches your leg, you get your boobs too close to his face but you don't touch him, you touch your breasts and/or ass, you say something benign like "let's go and have fun in the vip" ... and the list goes on.

A dancer friend told me her friend got arrested for association. This story is the craziest I've heard yet. Her friend was asked by vice (posing as a custy of course) about getting together outside of the club. She said NO, she only dances in the club. She leaves him and goes about her business. Her friend goes up to the same guy (vice). He asks her the same question and this dancer says yes ... AND the dancer that was w/ him before (the gal who said no) would go too. Mind you, that was LIE ... but because she included the first dancer he arrested both of them.

We're basically ducks on a pond waiting to see if we're gonna get shot out of the water. It's totally fucked up!

As far as the signs to look for ... don't even bother asking any of the girls you dance w/ ... I did and it totally messed w/ my head because the lines vice use are the same stupid questions custys ask ... i.e.; what happens in vip?, want to get together after work?, etc..

All I can say is ... keep your ears to the ground ... if vice is in the club management and dancers MIGHT know about it. Dancers will tell you ... management may or may not.

BTW, from what I gather certain clubs are targeted more than others. Clubs that got raided (tickets and/or arrests) the past month ... OG (2 times), Cheetahs (2 times) and Sapphire. Rick's got raided Jan'10 the weekend after AVN/CES ... not sure if they've had any other incidence since then.

If any vegas dancers know of other clubs raided the past month or so could you please list them here?

Good luck honey and welcome to Vegas.

loren
04-12-2010, 12:40 AM
Is there signs of what I should look out for?

Stay sober as much as you are able to and know your rights. What vice has been doing fits the legal definition of sexual harrasment

http://www.exoticdancerrights.com/stripper-sexual-harassment.html


Right now we have a really corrupt sherrif and head of vice. Elections are not until November so we have a ways to go. The most important thing dancers in Vegas can do in the future is vote Sherriff Gillespie and Lt Hughes out of office. I personally plan on voting for Laurie Bisch for Sherriff.

Read all of the posts under this thread and check out all of the links. This will give you a much better knowledge of whats happening than most girls have. Knowledge is power. 8)

I have the numbers of several different lawyers. I think Robert Star seems to be very knowledgeable so that is who I would call if I get in trouble again.

Always be polite and smile but: Never make any financial/verbal agreements about where a guy can touch. Not even as a joke. Just tell them don't do anything that will make the bouncers mad. If a guys mentions anything about sex: say immediately that prostitution is illegal in Clark County and that they would have to go a brothel. Don't mention anything specific or you could get arrested for pimping.

Basically just be smart by making it clear that you are just a dancer; and know your rights. They tend to pick on niave girls who don't know any better.

loren
04-16-2010, 04:28 AM
I wonder if the McCarthy style stripper witchhunt is being perpetrated by people who view us as

option A

"Just another one of those homewrecking ho's.
Those homewrecking ho's are all the same. They are the reason that daddy left mommy.
No daddy should ever be expected to take responsibility for his responsibilities. It's all their fault. They're bad!"

or maybe it's option B

"My mom was just a ho and all those ho's are the same.
Anyone can support kids without any help from family or the guy who got them pregnant.
Even though most people have some help from the guy who got them pregnant, his family and her family.
That b*t%h ho mom of mine, was not willing to make enough of an effort.
Raising kids without any help from anyone, is easy, for anyone who is willing to make the effort.
I like to pretend like I'm royalty. How come my family, that I never met, refuses to play along? It makes me so angry!"

Could it be option C?

"Ya sure I cheated on that rich &i#ch, but she deserved it. At least I have good enough morals to know, that if I were a female, I would never be some lap dance ho! Those girls are gross.
I get so angry when people say that I have been more fortunate than others.
I am simply predestined to be superior. That is why I have so much $$$$!"

Perhaps it's option D

"Why would my bf or hubbi want to look at a bunch of gross lap dance ho's? My Mommy and Daddy have tons of $$$. I have the best everything. I don't stoop to anything, because I don't have to. I have never been without anything, and I never will. Those lap dance ho's present no threat to me. (at least that's what I say out loud) They are stupid and trashy. "

loren
04-18-2010, 03:54 AM
http://vegasblog.latimes.com/vegas/2...strippers.html

article- "A concern is that dancers often rub and grind on patrons to arouse them before soliciting prostitution, said Lt. Karen Hughes, who works in the Metropolitan Police Department's vice unit.
OK, but soliciting prostitution is already a crime. And, based on the strippers I know, they don't have to solicit acts of prostitution; they have to spend most of their nights refusing such requests from customers. “

Me- If Lt. Hughes really is concerned with solicitation to prostitution why don’t they have undercover cops posing as strippers so they can arrest all the customers who solicit us for prostitution?

article- “And then there is the obvious: Strippers make money by giving lewd lap dances. It is called "a lap dance." Where do you think a stripper's body is going reach a point of contact on a guy customer in something called "a lap dance"?

Me- If Lt. Hughes is really so concerned about lewdness why don’t they have undercover cops posing as strippers to arrest all of the customers who try to stick their hands down our g string and grab at our boobs? Talk about lewd behavior!

article- “So, what I think is really happening is that the police want to shift the burden from wealthy and politically well-connected club owners to individual dancers."

Me- Strippers do not have the authority to kick guys out or do anything to stop the girls who actually do real prostitution. We are not bouncers, managers or owners. So why has the burden of management and ownership been shifted over to us when we have no authority to control anything that is happening in the club? Due to the fact that all responsibilities for anything that happens in the club has been placed on the dancers in the guise of fighting prostitution we currently have absolutely no protection whatsoever. The guys can do anything they want. And believe me they do. Dancing in Las Vegas has turned into a nightmare.

If all they want is money they could make such a fortune arresting customers. In just one day they would have enough money to not have to make any arrests or give any tickets for the rest of the year.

Brooklyn_618
08-13-2011, 10:51 AM
The last post in this thread was April of last year (2010)... I am looking to start dancing in Vegas in the next month and was wondering if any of you girls who work there can give me an update on how vice has been? Are there still a lot of raids being done? Which clubs are the ones that are getting busted the most? Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Melonie
08-13-2011, 03:31 PM
it's been far 'quieter' in terms of LE efforts in Vegas strip clubs this year than it was last year, that's for sure !

LVhottie
11-17-2011, 09:02 AM
it's been far 'quieter' in terms of LE efforts in Vegas strip clubs this year than it was last year, that's for sure !

Good grief! I had no idea las vegas LE was this uptight. I've been in Las Vegas for a couple months and haven't been through a raid yet. I'm used to working at a club in a different state where LE rarely comes in. After reading all of this, I'm not sure how to dance anymore. Is it still this uptight with LE?

I think a raid is about to happen really soon here. Story Time!

Last weekend I saw a customer walking in circles around the club. I was stupidly drunk by this point in the night so I wasn't quick to pick up on the signs. Another reason not to drink at work. I asked him where he was going and told him we should play. He required no hustle whatsoever after I used the word 'play' and wanted to go to the best room for the most action.

My dancing was heavy contact with him. He asked me if he can unzip his pants back there. I said no. This is point where I came to my senses and knew it was an undercover. Then he proceeded to ask me if he can touch certain areas of my body. I didn't reply to his questions. He asked again. I changed the subject. He asked me if he couldn't unzip his pants in this room which room should he go where he could unzip them. I told him there was no unzipping. Keep in mind his hands were at his sides the whole time. The undercover asked if I meet people at their room. At this point I was freaking out and sure he was going to ticket or arrest me for my dancing so I asked what his job was. He said he was a lawyer. I asked for his business card and he proceeded to tell me that he gave his last one to one of his friends out on the floor. He said he was there with a group of friends which was a lie since he was walking around by himself. I asked him to give me that business card and give his friend a copy later. He didn't respond.

They're probably trying to gather enough information for the next raid at this point. I'm really lucky this wasn't the night they'd give out tickets because I surely should have received one.

Emily
11-17-2011, 01:58 PM
what makes you think a guy wanting to pull his dick out/get extras makes him an undercover cop? Doesn't we all meet guys like this every night? Also, just because he wants to keep his identity/place of employment a secret doesn't mean anything either.

If you were doing a heavy contact dance, that's enough to get a ticket if he was a cop.

bollywood baby
11-18-2011, 11:53 AM
Jeez, all this shit makes me just consider stayin at Baby Dolls Dallas thru the winter. Is Vegas really that strict now? It sure isn't here, and the money is flowing! Do vice cops come in my club much? Being a newbie here I have no idea.

vegas*love
11-19-2011, 07:37 PM
im dancing for 6months here in vegas and i never met undercover cop
or i didnt know it lol
i hope i dont meet vice at all

bollywood baby
12-01-2011, 06:27 PM
last week i had a guy ask me if i would give him a "Private Show" in his hotel room after work for $500 an hour. I was scared AND he was a handsy India man, so i said no, i gotta sleep. Its a question I get often now. My Q is; If I had said yes I can do a "private show" for you later, is that illegal? I probably wouldn't ever try, but i was just curious about the legal bullshit with words said. All that was said was that, nothing about sex, so it seems like thats not illegal, is it? Stupid fuckin laws are so wierd for us to deal with.

Katrina312
12-01-2011, 06:33 PM
Vice is mainly at Rhino and Sapphire...and I have encountered them at Rhino vice came in and had $10,000 and was asking me where he could get coke. I played dumb and he got frustrated handed me $100 and then left. Afterwards, everyone had said how it was vice and how it was a good thing I didn't give out any info and played dumb.

AmyLynne
12-01-2011, 07:32 PM
I doubt theyre being that aggressive.. mostly just being known.. but if you dont do anything illegal you have nothing to fear... if someone is doing extras or outright havings ex they're just asking for it and probably deserve it...

MissMynxx
12-01-2011, 09:25 PM
I am usually the first girl to.say that if you aren't a dirty girl, Vegas vice is NOT that scary. My entire dancing career has been in Vegas, and the one time I had serious trouble, it was resolved easily and quickly. However - it is convention season. NFR, CES , and the AVN. awards are prime vice time. This is the time of year they do get aggressive. Mainly because we get a ton of travelling girls.

Keep your nose clean, watch your stage sets and be careful in your dances. But honestly, I have seen a TON of girls act scared and even seen advice to do so if you have a run in. Don't do it. If you present yourself as a knowledgeable and professional intelligent person, they are much more likely to work with you. Also, if you need a lawyer or something, cops want easy pops, not girls who stand up for themselves. Threaten to lawyer up, know your rights, but for the most part - shut up, don't be scared, and do your job the best way you know how. Calm down.

tootsie
12-10-2011, 12:19 AM
I think I'm officially ignoring this shit.

I'm a clean dancer, and I have a lawyer at my disposal. I don't plan on prostituting myself out - unless I go to Pahrump and do that shit legally. No dancing on poles in NIGHTCLUBS?! Fuck them.

I'm going about my business like I never heard of this shit. My guess is it's a fear tactic designed to cut down on illegal prostitution. I don't prostitute, so whatev. ::) This bullshit is NOT going to scare me out of having fun, making money, or enjoying my night job. Pfft.



clean dancer working in vegas haha mm hmm

MissMynxx
12-11-2011, 04:11 AM
clean dancer working in vegas haha mm hmm

...? I'm sorry, did you mean to imply that ALL dancers working in Vegas are dirty? I'm gonna go with the benefit of the doubt here, just in case you didn't mean to come off as generalizing and offensive as you did.

There are MANY dancers on this board who work in Vegas either full or part time, and I can assure you - they aren't dirty either. I've worked with a few of them.

You wanna clarify exactly what you meant with this?

XAnastasiaX
12-19-2011, 06:49 PM
Thankyou MM you know I'm clean and I not only do well but have had Vice tell my managers I have NOTHING to worry about. She needs to clarrify herself.