View Full Version : Be Honest- Would You Get a Dance From Me?
mr_punk
02-08-2010, 05:56 PM
She doesn't need plastic surgery just because not all man find her attractive. If she doesn't have the right looks to make it as a stripper, it just means she should get a job she can do. Plastic surgery is going too far. And I don't see why she needs it.Plastic surgery is going to far? LOL...since when? you do know we're talking about strippers, right? furthermore, the question of whether or not she has the right look to be a stripper is irrelevant. a sc will hire the corpse of my dearly departed great, great, great, great, grandmother if i place the stage fee in her hand.
I experimented with a fake tan and if anyone would like to weigh in on better/worse, I would greatly appreciate it.the tan helps a lot, but it's still not for me to bite.
sxcbbw
02-08-2010, 06:01 PM
Plastic surgery is going to far? LOL...since when? you do know we're talking about strippers, right? furthermore, the question of whether or not she has the right look to be a stripper is irrelevant. a sc will hire the corpse of my dearly departed great, great, great, great, grandmother if i place the stage fee in her hand.
the tan helps a lot, but it's still not for me to bite.
We're still talking about people and how they deal with their esteem issues.
Silk_Spectre
02-08-2010, 09:03 PM
Plastic surgery is going to far? LOL...since when? you do know we're talking about strippers, right? furthermore, the question of whether or not she has the right look to be a stripper is irrelevant. a sc will hire the corpse of my dearly departed great, great, great, great, grandmother if i place the stage fee in her hand.
I agree that the ‘getting hired’ part is irrelevant and not predictive of success. For the record, my question was more along the lines of how difficult it might be for me to do well if/when I’m hired. -And yeah, plastic surgery (assuming its decent work) would up my earning potential. I’m definitely not opposed to getting some work done, or even a lot of work done, but its not financially possible for me right now.
mr_punk
02-08-2010, 09:22 PM
I agree that the ‘getting hired’ part is irrelevant and not predictive of success. For the record, my question was more along the lines of how difficult it might be for me to do well if/when I’m hired.i don't think it will be difficult at all. i see guys get dances from girls that couldn't even get a crack at breaking into my rotation on their best day.
And yeah, plastic surgery (assuming its decent work) would up my earning potential. I’m definitely not opposed to getting some work done, or even a lot of work done, but its not financially possible for me right now.sure, that's why any stripper gets PS. well, that and the attention.
Silk_Spectre
02-08-2010, 10:09 PM
...the dancers outresponded the custys here by a 9-to-7 margin and still insisted on not only giving their two cents' worth, but also criticizing the mild responses by the Blues even while ripping the OP with backhanded compliments.
Eh. I don’t feel that anyone was giving backhanded compliments or thinly-veiled snark... just constructive criticism. Which I can appreciate whether its harsh or couched in delicate terms.
(And thanks for wishing me well.)
;)
Santos
02-08-2010, 10:56 PM
I'm a bit late but I just wanted to thank you all for the feedback.
I was looking for opinions because I have a pretty strong fear of being laughed off stage for being unattractive, by strip club standards and maybe general standards. I just don't want to get up there and have people paying me to get off the stage! I've always figured that hideously unattractive people never really know just how unattractive they are to others because that sort of objectivity is impossible when you're living inside yourself. I wouldn't trust people I meet face-to-face to gauge my un/attractiveness because if they know me personally they're already biased and if they're strangers... I don't think many strangers would have the audacity to be like: "Damn, you're really, quite ugly! Oh and by the way, my name is John."
Ah, the anonymity of the internet! 8)
I experimented with a fake tan and if anyone would like to weigh in on better/worse, I would greatly appreciate it.
Laughed off the stage? No, not even close. You're an attractive woman. If you toned up your tush a bit you would be slam dunk hot IMO. But then there are many men who like a woman with the curves you currently have . . . so who is to say what will work best.
The point is you have what it takes to dance, in spades.
Hopper
02-09-2010, 03:27 AM
I'm a bit late but I just wanted to thank you all for the feedback.
I was looking for opinions because I have a pretty strong fear of being laughed off stage for being unattractive, by strip club standards and maybe general standards. I just don't want to get up there and have people paying me to get off the stage! I've always figured that hideously unattractive people never really know just how unattractive they are to others because that sort of objectivity is impossible when you're living inside yourself. I wouldn't trust people I meet face-to-face to gauge my un/attractiveness because if they know me personally they're already biased and if they're strangers... I don't think many strangers would have the audacity to be like: "Damn, you're really, quite ugly! Oh and by the way, my name is John."
Ah, the anonymity of the internet! 8)
I experimented with a fake tan and if anyone would like to weigh in on better/worse, I would greatly appreciate it.
You look better in those photos. If you also toned you could be better again.
I've never seen a girl laughed off stage, and I have seen many girls at SCs who I'd consider far less suitable for stripping, and less attractive, than you. Maybe the odd guy will laugh at this or that stripper to his friend sitting next to him, but I don't recall the last time I saw that either.
mediocrity
02-09-2010, 04:02 AM
I'm a bit late but I just wanted to thank you all for the feedback.
I was looking for opinions because I have a pretty strong fear of being laughed off stage for being unattractive, by strip club standards and maybe general standards. I just don't want to get up there and have people paying me to get off the stage! I've always figured that hideously unattractive people never really know just how unattractive they are to others because that sort of objectivity is impossible when you're living inside yourself. I wouldn't trust people I meet face-to-face to gauge my un/attractiveness because if they know me personally they're already biased and if they're strangers... I don't think many strangers would have the audacity to be like: "Damn, you're really, quite ugly! Oh and by the way, my name is John."
Ah, the anonymity of the internet! 8)
I experimented with a fake tan and if anyone would like to weigh in on better/worse, I would greatly appreciate it.
Muuuuuuch better girl! I'd say drop 10lbs and you're good to go!
Hopper
02-09-2010, 05:00 AM
Plastic surgery is going to far? LOL...since when? you do know we're talking about strippers, right?
If she wan't to be a stripper that bad, sure. As I see it, if a girl isn't sexy enough to strip as she is, she should do something else.
furthermore, the question of whether or not she has the right look to be a stripper is irrelevant. a sc will hire the corpse of my dearly departed great, great, great, great, grandmother if i place the stage fee in her hand.
Silly me.
JamesWild
02-09-2010, 05:40 AM
The tan looks good.
Looks aren't everything for me as a customer. The girl has to be attractive, sure (and you are), but I've chosen to get dances with girls who are not as good looking as others because they have a great smile and seem warm and fun. If a girl is smoking hot but just dances without communicating, I'm not going for seconds.
James
KS_Stevia
02-09-2010, 02:01 PM
If she wan't to be a stripper that bad, sure. As I see it, if a girl isn't sexy enough to strip as she is, she should do something else.
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No, you are absolutely wrong. However, many of us who started stripping were a lot plainer and less toned. After a few months into it, an obvious transformation had occurred. However, in those first few months, were were still able to make an excellent living. In addition, that "sexy" most strippers seem to naturally exude is a calculated hustle, counter-intuitive, and something that must be learned. Or, rather, unlearned. Most women are raised with some level of shame about their sexuality, and must learn to not only ignore that, but to become a sexual aggressor at that. Its not rocket surgery or anything that takes a super-intelligent being to learn, but it does take a little time to "get it right." And no better way to learn, than out on the playing field, making money training yourself.
I started in college, was making $5.50 an hour or so, min wage, part-time, at a university retail store. My first month stripping, I made $8,000. It would have taken me almost 2 years to make that, working part-time at the store (they wouldn't give full time shifts).
And I had thin brown hair highlighted with cheap red hair dye, bitten off fingernails, 2 outfits, one pair of shoes, I wore glitter and dark lipstick, and could also have used to lose 10 lbs...or at least tone up to give that appearance.
Who cares. I presume she wants to strip so she can make money. And she can make money. Will she make more money as she improves the shape of her body and appeals to more men. Sure, absolutely. But she can start NOW and begin working on her hustle, get free exercise every day, and start earning dolla bills.
That's all that matters in the club. I know the OP's question was not aimed at the advice I gave her. But the numbers don't lie. Enough people on here responded YES.
Oh, Chili, pinkies go to the SC as customers as well, so we DO count if we are customers. Just the other night I had a male friend of mine drop $400-500 on my stripper friend, in about an hour. I will spend about $100 of my own money for dances these days, and I don't grab or waste a girl's time. When my business is more profitable, I can spend as much as any blue baller. We may not spend more all the time, but us female custies, ESPECIALLY the strippers and former strippers, could make or break this girls entire night. So don't discount us.
kaiarose
02-09-2010, 03:07 PM
I'm a bit late but I just wanted to thank you all for the feedback.
I was looking for opinions because I have a pretty strong fear of being laughed off stage for being unattractive, by strip club standards and maybe general standards. I just don't want to get up there and have people paying me to get off the stage! I've always figured that hideously unattractive people never really know just how unattractive they are to others because that sort of objectivity is impossible when you're living inside yourself. I wouldn't trust people I meet face-to-face to gauge my un/attractiveness because if they know me personally they're already biased and if they're strangers... I don't think many strangers would have the audacity to be like: "Damn, you're really, quite ugly! Oh and by the way, my name is John."
Ah, the anonymity of the internet! 8)
I experimented with a fake tan and if anyone would like to weigh in on better/worse, I would greatly appreciate it.
Much better with the tan :) I feel the same about myself, I think everyone looks good with some color! You don't need plastic surgery as I've read some people posting. I think all you need is some gym time and you'll be good to go. Aaand try tinier thongs. The ones you have on in the pic go up to high on your ass and I've always thought the littler thongs are sexier anyways.. You have a pretty face and I think you will do just fine.
jack0177057
02-09-2010, 08:17 PM
So be honest- Would you get a dance from me?
I consider myself extremely picky and I reject many dancers at the SC. While I typically go for the petite, tiny waist, big boobs and curvy butt dancer,... yeah, I would get a dance from you... You have a lovely face and a nice body... If you are intelligent and have a nice personality, I'd be a repeat customer.
Having said that,... I agree with some of the other posters that you could improve your looks a lot with with some toning up. My fav is a little older (mid-30s I'm guessing), but she spend 2 hours in the gym each day and looks incredible!
Also, improve your confidence! Instead of asking "Would you get a dance from me?", ask - "How many hours would you like to spend with me in the VIP room?"
Chili Palmer
02-09-2010, 11:15 PM
Oh, Chili, pinkies go to the SC as customers as well, so we DO count if we are customers. Just the other night I had a male friend of mine drop $400-500 on my stripper friend, in about an hour. I will spend about $100 of my own money for dances these days, and I don't grab or waste a girl's time. When my business is more profitable, I can spend as much as any blue baller. We may not spend more all the time, but us female custies, ESPECIALLY the strippers and former strippers, could make or break this girls entire night. So don't discount us.
I'm sure you do spend money, and you have gotten laps from other dancers, but let me ask you this. Back when you were dancing at the peak of the economy and you were bringing in over $1000 a night on a regular basis, just what percentage of that came from off-duty dancers (as opposed to a true female custy like lopaw)? I'd be willing wager it's a pretty negligible percentage overall, and your stripper skill set is/was among the top 1%, no? And this ain't 1997 anymore.
I can only go by what my own eyes tell me: in the thousands upon thousands of hours I've spent in strip clubs (all of them sober), I've never seen an off-duty dancer take another dancer to a VIP room in a Spearmint Rhino, never seen an off-duty dancer take a dancer into VIP at Hi-Liter or Bourbon Street or Centerfolds, or Treasures or Deja Vu or Christies or SCORES or anywhere else for that matter. Never.
When I do see off-duty dancers in a strip club, they're always with one or two other friends, their table is often a non-stop party, there are frequent trips to the DR/bathroom to "powder" their respective noses, but there's not a whole lotta lapping going on. Maybe they're getting paid for that (I know you ladies all like to insist you do), but I just don't see a large percentage of any dancer's income coming from other dancers, especially in this day and age. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (and I am sure many of the Pinkies will delight in doing so), but my point is more along of the lines of giving Silk Spectre a more reasonable assessment of her earning potential; namely, expect a lot more "noes" than "yesses," but I am still saying there is a chance.
CP
sxcbbw
02-09-2010, 11:23 PM
I'm sure you do spend money, and you have gotten laps from other dancers, but let me ask you this. Back when you were dancing at the peak of the economy and you were bringing in over $1000 a night on a regular basis, just what percentage of that came from off-duty dancers (as opposed to a true female custy like lopaw)? I'd be willing wager it's a pretty negligible percentage overall, and your stripper skill set is/was among the top 1%, no? And this ain't 1997 anymore.
I can only go by what my own eyes tell me: in the thousands upon thousands of hours I've spent in strip clubs (all of them sober), I've never seen an off-duty dancer take another dancer to a VIP room in a Spearmint Rhino, never seen an off-duty dancer take a dancer into VIP at Hi-Liter or Bourbon Street or Centerfolds, or Treasures or Deja Vu or Christies or SCORES or anywhere else for that matter. Never.
When I do see off-duty dancers in a strip club, they're always with one or two other friends, their table is often a non-stop party, there are frequent trips to the DR/bathroom to "powder" their respective noses, but there's not a whole lotta lapping going on. Maybe they're getting paid for that (I know you ladies all like to insist you do), but I just don't see a large percentage of any dancer's income coming from other dancers, especially in this day and age. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (and I am sure many of the Pinkies will delight in doing so), but my point is more along of the lines of giving Silk Spectre a more reasonable assessment of her earning potential; namely, expect a lot more "noes" than "yesses," but I am still saying there is a chance.
CP
I think the "are off duty dancers blues or not" thing is a bit irrelevant, along with the amount of money the pinkies might pay out.
I think the question that should be asked, when weighing up the merit of a dancer's opinion on the earning potential of another woman, is how much does a dancer know about which dancers get dances, compared to how much a customer knows? Wordy, I know, but it's 6:22am.
The customer knows what he'll pay for. But does he know, better than a dancer, what the rest of the club will pay for? I think that's what needs considered here.
Smokeless
02-09-2010, 11:52 PM
Silk: Much better! Not just the tan, but the attitude communicated in the photos. I also agree with some of the additional suggestions made by some of our pink visitors. Especially the 10 pounds. But don't worry too much, I need to drop 30!
Good luck.
Athenathefabulous
02-09-2010, 11:56 PM
I'm sure you do spend money, and you have gotten laps from other dancers, but let me ask you this. Back when you were dancing at the peak of the economy and you were bringing in over $1000 a night on a regular basis, just what percentage of that came from off-duty dancers (as opposed to a true female custy like lopaw)? I'd be willing wager it's a pretty negligible percentage overall, and your stripper skill set is/was among the top 1%, no? And this ain't 1997 anymore.
I can only go by what my own eyes tell me: in the thousands upon thousands of hours I've spent in strip clubs (all of them sober), I've never seen an off-duty dancer take another dancer to a VIP room in a Spearmint Rhino, never seen an off-duty dancer take a dancer into VIP at Hi-Liter or Bourbon Street or Centerfolds, or Treasures or Deja Vu or Christies or SCORES or anywhere else for that matter. Never.
When I do see off-duty dancers in a strip club, they're always with one or two other friends, their table is often a non-stop party, there are frequent trips to the DR/bathroom to "powder" their respective noses, but there's not a whole lotta lapping going on. Maybe they're getting paid for that (I know you ladies all like to insist you do), but I just don't see a large percentage of any dancer's income coming from other dancers, especially in this day and age. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong (and I am sure many of the Pinkies will delight in doing so), but my point is more along of the lines of giving Silk Spectre a more reasonable assessment of her earning potential; namely, expect a lot more "noes" than "yesses," but I am still saying there is a chance.
CP
you are correct, most of my income is not from other dancers. but i also shy away from female customers and generally only approach them when my other options look bleak or they have already demonstrated interest.
but, when i go to a strip club, i usually drop min 300$ in dances (for me and i buy my buddies dances). but im like a kid in the candy store type of customer, so i like to get dances from lotsa different girls. im not the type to make one girls night.
Hopper
02-10-2010, 12:54 AM
No, you are absolutely wrong. However, many of us who started stripping were a lot plainer and less toned. After a few months into it, an obvious transformation had occurred. However, in those first few months, were were still able to make an excellent living. In addition, that "sexy" most strippers seem to naturally exude is a calculated hustle, counter-intuitive, and something that must be learned. Or, rather, unlearned. Most women are raised with some level of shame about their sexuality, and must learn to not only ignore that, but to become a sexual aggressor at that. Its not rocket surgery or anything that takes a super-intelligent being to learn, but it does take a little time to "get it right." And no better way to learn, than out on the playing field, making money training yourself.
I started in college, was making $5.50 an hour or so, min wage, part-time, at a university retail store. My first month stripping, I made $8,000. It would have taken me almost 2 years to make that, working part-time at the store (they wouldn't give full time shifts).
And I had thin brown hair highlighted with cheap red hair dye, bitten off fingernails, 2 outfits, one pair of shoes, I wore glitter and dark lipstick, and could also have used to lose 10 lbs...or at least tone up to give that appearance.
Who cares. I presume she wants to strip so she can make money. And she can make money. Will she make more money as she improves the shape of her body and appeals to more men. Sure, absolutely. But she can start NOW and begin working on her hustle, get free exercise every day, and start earning dolla bills.
That's all that matters in the club. I know the OP's question was not aimed at the advice I gave her. But the numbers don't lie. Enough people on here responded YES.
Oh, Chili, pinkies go to the SC as customers as well, so we DO count if we are customers. Just the other night I had a male friend of mine drop $400-500 on my stripper friend, in about an hour. I will spend about $100 of my own money for dances these days, and I don't grab or waste a girl's time. When my business is more profitable, I can spend as much as any blue baller. We may not spend more all the time, but us female custies, ESPECIALLY the strippers and former strippers, could make or break this girls entire night. So don't discount us.
Point taken, but I did mean "sexy" in the context of whether or not a girl needs plastic surgery or not, which for me would men she is universally ugly. Of course a girl with given raw material can dress up or down, be fit or unfit, be sexually agressive or passive, know how to be sexy (or learn) or not know and so on. They are all things she can change without alterring her natural physical features. And as you point out, a beginner stripper aquires some of this on the job.
Interesting point about being aggressively sexy being counter-intuitive. It's odd that the fantasy image of seductive women is not how it suits most women to behave in normal situations, even when flirting. But then, stripping is not a normal situation - seductive behaviour is appropriate and necessary. Stripping is about male fantasy.
So let me revise that to: If a woman isn't capable of being sexy enough to be a stripper, without surgery, she should probably not be a stripper.
On the other hand, if a girl is incapable of being sexy without surgery, stripping isn't the only reason she might want surgery.
Victoria669Jones
02-10-2010, 06:36 AM
I don't think she needs to drop ten pounds. I hate going to a SC and all the girls are the same size. Tiny bodies are beautiful, but so are curvy ones. In my opinion even more so. In the last SC I went to all the girls were the same size, not a curvy one in sight. I was disappointed. Not all men and women like the same thing.
JoeUnCool
02-10-2010, 08:45 AM
you are correct, most of my income is not from other dancers. but i also shy away from female customers and generally only approach them when my other options look bleak or they have already demonstrated interest.
I think this is the way most dancers feel towards women customers.
but, when i go to a strip club, i usually drop min 300$ in dances (for me and i buy my buddies dances). but im like a kid in the candy store type of customer, so i like to get dances from lotsa different girls. im not the type to make one girls night.
the dancers who's clubs you do go to are going to be glad to hear that! :)
JoeUnCool
02-10-2010, 08:48 AM
I don't think she needs to drop ten pounds. I hate going to a SC and all the girls are the same size. Tiny bodies are beautiful, but so are curvy ones. In my opinion even more so. In the last SC I went to all the girls were the same size, not a curvy one in sight. I was disappointed. Not all men and women like the same thing.
There is a hate for every head...........I've known some damn fine dancers that were not 5'6" 105 lbs surgically enhanced breasts with blonde hair and spent 60 minutes on the eliptical every day.
mr_punk
02-10-2010, 10:52 AM
Point taken, but I did mean "sexy" in the context of whether or not a girl needs plastic surgery or not, which for me would men she is universally ugly. Of course a girl with given raw material can dress up or down, be fit or unfit, be sexually agressive or passive, know how to be sexy (or learn) or not know and so on. They are all things she can change without alterring her natural physical features. And as you point out, a beginner stripper aquires some of this on the job.LOL...why? you think PS should be reserved for the naturally unattractive? it's a good thing Heidi Montag (or any woman whose boobs can be used hacky sacks after a couple of kids) never listened to such an idea. frankly, she's never looked so good. LOL..it's funny me how some guys are so resistant to the idea of PS.
kaiarose
02-10-2010, 12:17 PM
LOL...why? you think PS should be reserved for the naturally unattractive? it's a good thing Heidi Montag (or any woman whose boobs can be used hacky sacks after a couple of kids) never listened to such an idea. frankly, she's never looked so good. LOL..it's funny me how some guys are so resistant to the idea of PS.
LOL! Trust me, no guy is against PS except on here... I've been around here for 4 years and I've never seen so many guys kiss our asses! Hey, it's sweet that many of you guys (excluding you of course mr. punk) are sugar coating your opinion but I know that many of you would not turn down Malibu Barbie if she asked you for a dance. Not only that but I'm willing to bet that alot of you have unknowingly gotten a dance from a chick with PS and didn't even know it :)
mr_punk
02-10-2010, 04:18 PM
i didn't say they're against PS. i'm just saying they're resistant. yeah, they'll get a dance from Barbie Bolt-ons, but she already has them. OTOH, if their ATF with perfectly shaped and perky X cups told them she was thinking about plastic surgery. they'll be the first to say no (especially, if they're in an older age group) and if she gets them. yeah, he might still buy dances or not, but they'll always think,"why did she ruin her perfectly good breasts".
Not only that but I'm willing to bet that alot of you have unknowingly gotten a dance from a chick with PS and didn't even know it.lipo? nose job? botox? Fat transfer? collegen injections, etc? probably. bolt-ons? never. apparently, strippers don't know the meaning of restraint when it comes to bolt-ons.
Hopper
02-11-2010, 02:42 AM
LOL...why? you think PS should be reserved for the naturally unattractive? it's a good thing Heidi Montag (or any woman whose boobs can be used hacky sacks after a couple of kids) never listened to such an idea. frankly, she's never looked so good. LOL..it's funny me how some guys are so resistant to the idea of PS.
Yes I prefer artificially enhanced boobs to sagging boobs. But I was not thinking of married or older women or single mothers. I was thinking of women who are just correcting perceived imperfections in their natural features to suit an imagined demand - either romantic or professional.
I don't mind a girl who has cosmetic surgery, but I am not the one who has to live with it my whole life, unless I marry her. It is often not a one-time fix.
Hopper
02-11-2010, 02:54 AM
LOL! Trust me, no guy is against PS except on here... I've been around here for 4 years and I've never seen so many guys kiss our asses! Hey, it's sweet that many of you guys (excluding you of course mr. punk) are sugar coating your opinion but I know that many of you would not turn down Malibu Barbie if she asked you for a dance. Not only that but I'm willing to bet that alot of you have unknowingly gotten a dance from a chick with PS and didn't even know it :)
I was thinking of the interests of the girls, not mine, since I was responding to the OP, a girl. You are right, I don't mind fake tits. But they are not my tits.
My original point was that being a stripper may not be worth the hassle of surgery for the OP and also that her features are not drastically wrong enough to requrie it, even for stripping.
However, my general sentiment regarding cosmetic surgery is that it is better if one can find a way to do well with what one is born with. Surgery has it's own downsides and I think many women resort to it far too readily.
Hopper
02-11-2010, 03:00 AM
I don't think she needs to drop ten pounds. I hate going to a SC and all the girls are the same size. Tiny bodies are beautiful, but so are curvy ones. In my opinion even more so. In the last SC I went to all the girls were the same size, not a curvy one in sight. I was disappointed. Not all men and women like the same thing.
Curvy can definitely be attractive, but it depends on what type of curvy. We aren't asking the OP to go thin, which would be impossible with her build. She'd still be curvy after losing some excess weight.
sxcbbw
02-11-2010, 03:20 AM
Curvy can definitely be attractive, but it depends on what type of curvy. We aren't asking the OP to go thin, which would be impossible with her build. She'd still be curvy after losing some excess weight.
She wouldn't lose the lower half, being pear shaped, but her top half might suffer from any more than 10lb of weight loss. I think the problem is tone, which is likely to increase weight. If she tones up and loses 10lb, she may end up with a very boyish figure up top.
Hopper
02-11-2010, 05:29 AM
^Yes, it's not weight I'm concerned about either, but shape and fitness. I should have said lose excess fat or flab, whatever the case is.
sxcbbw
02-11-2010, 05:31 AM
^Yes, it's not weight I'm concerned about either, but shape and fitness. I should have said lose excess fat or flab, whatever the case is.
Haha, I'd never get a dance out of you ;)
Hopper
02-11-2010, 06:27 AM
^Depends what you call excess fat. A little can be okay, nice even.
Victoria669Jones
02-12-2010, 05:56 AM
I think we all need to remember that it's "different strokes for different folks". I know a lot of guys as friends, and not one of them likes that skinny Barbie look. I myself find skinny women very unattractive, that's just my taste. I don't want to be with a woman that has a child's body. I don't find heavy girls attractive either, a happy, healthy medium is good.
Maybe it's a cultural difference, but men over here seem to prefer a softer, more natural look. Fake boobs aren't really popular with the guys over here either. And especially not fake tan/nails/hair etc.
I think everyone should be happy with what they've got. Who wants to look and be the same size as everyone else? For every person that thinks you have the"wrong" body, someone else will find you beautiful. Human beings are very complex and individual creatures.
Hopper
02-12-2010, 06:39 AM
^It's not simply a matter of size. Other qualities and individual variations, both physical and personality, affect the result. I have seen some beautiful small and thin girls - they were not unhealthy or childlike - and beautiful bigger women. I don't prefer any particluar size. As with men's tastes, the factors which affect women's appearance are complex also. People should look around themselves more.
Victoria669Jones
02-12-2010, 07:03 AM
^^
Well, that's the point I'm trying to make as to why she doesn't need to lose 10 pounds.
Hopper
02-12-2010, 08:37 PM
^I thought so, but I just disagree with the idea most people have that it's either thin or big, when there are nice girls who are either one (or in-between) and unattractive girls of either one. That is, there are different types of thin and big.
This is not the same as saying that all girls are attractive though. All girls might be attractive to some percentage of men but that wasn't my point.
In the OP's case I think she could reduce her size and tone herself. A lot of guys would like her as she is, but she would probably appeal to more if she were more shapely and fit-looking. We are talking about working in a SC here, not finding boyfriends.
Mr Hyde
02-13-2010, 08:16 AM
I think everyone should be happy with what they've got.
I have to disagree with this. If you weigh 300 pounds, you should not be happy with what you've got. I'm not saying you should beat yourself up and be miserable, but if you're always happy with what you've got, what incentive is there to improve yourself? That goes for more than just weight/looks...it goes for how much you read, learn, know, do, travel, etc.
hockeybobby
02-13-2010, 08:48 AM
I have to disagree with this. If you weigh 300 pounds, you should not be happy with what you've got. I'm not saying you should beat yourself up and be miserable, but if you're always happy with what you've got, what incentive is there to improve yourself? That goes for more than just weight/looks...it goes for how much you read, learn, know, do, travel, etc.
What greater achievement could there possibly be than being happy always?
mediocrity
02-13-2010, 08:54 AM
I have to disagree with this. If you weigh 300 pounds, you should not be happy with what you've got. I'm not saying you should beat yourself up and be miserable, but if you're always happy with what you've got, what incentive is there to improve yourself? That goes for more than just weight/looks...it goes for how much you read, learn, know, do, travel, etc.
Agreed. That's why the whole gastric bypasses being handed out like Halloween candy bother me so much. People should get to know their bodies, instead of eating themselves into a big fat fuck and then copping out with surgery.
I digress.
I personally like being as thin as I can be, and I don't consider myself child like at all.
KS_Stevia
02-13-2010, 11:39 AM
If I was happy always and 300 lbs, then I'd shout a big FU for all the world to hear. Because I'd be happy all the time and obviously not care. However, I know I wouldn't be. I'm really unhappy now with some extra weight, and don't feel sexy at all. Couldn't even imagine 300 lbs. :(
laurcon
02-13-2010, 12:10 PM
I can only go by what my own eyes tell me: in the thousands upon thousands of hours I've spent in strip clubs (all of them sober), I've never seen an off-duty dancer take another dancer to a VIP room in a Spearmint Rhino, never seen an off-duty dancer take a dancer into VIP at Hi-Liter or Bourbon Street or Centerfolds, or Treasures or Deja Vu or Christies or SCORES or anywhere else for that matter. Never.
CP
guess you're not looking that hard or asking every female in the club if they used to/currently dance. i've absolutely gone in VIP with off-duty strippers and have gone back in another club as a customer. and i see it happening with other girls now because i don't even approach females, but it still happens.
with our own money? of course not. yes there is a guy there funding the whole thing, but the off-duty dancer can still choose whoever she wants, and has all the power in the situation.
i do agree though that us fellow dancers commenting on this thread won't really make up much of this girls income at all and blues' answers are more appropriate.
and the tan makes a big difference. def go dance girl and work your way up into the stratosphere of hotness :-*
Victoria669Jones
02-13-2010, 12:11 PM
Personally I wouldn't feel attractive if I was over-weight, either. Kudos to those that do though. It's all about how comfortable you are in your own skin, and not listening to people who tell you how you "should" look. If something bothers you then change it, but don't listen to other peoples' criticism if you feel happy with yourself.
laurcon
02-13-2010, 12:16 PM
lipo? nose job? botox? Fat transfer? collegen injections, etc? probably. bolt-ons? never. apparently, strippers don't know the meaning of restraint when it comes to bolt-ons.
this surprises me because i've absolutely watched guys think that a co-workers tits were real when they weren't, on several occasions with different girls. /:O
lestat1
02-13-2010, 02:10 PM
Silk Spectre, you are beautiful and I would get a dance from you, but the other dancers are a better source of information. I can only tell you what I like, they can tell you what 1,000 guys like. As far as pure physical appearance is concerned in the context of a strip club, you're somewhere in the middle of the dancers I've encountered. Outside of the strip club you're absolutely gorgeous and I can only dream...
At this point in my strip club going career, I'm most concerned with not getting ripped off, and simply finding someone to get a dance from who is pleasant and cares at least a tiny bit about ensuring I have a good time as I spend hundreds of dollars. Whatever physical improvements you're looking to make will happen as you work, so maybe head on over to the hustle hut forum and learn some tips for dancing well and being entertaining company.
KS_Stevia
02-13-2010, 02:11 PM
this surprises me because i've absolutely watched guys think that a co-workers tits were real when they weren't, on several occasions with different girls. /:O
Yup. Reminds me of when I went on this crazy drug and strip club fueled weekend in Vegas with this guy. We went to 3 different clubs all three nights, got lots of dances and VIP. I believe that all of the girls that danced for us had a BA, about 7 or 8 girls. None of them had large BA. We didn't choose them because of this, just the way it happened to unfold. I'd say at least 75% of the girls across the clubs had implants! My companion had NO idea that any of the girls had enhancements, and had a difficult time believing me when I explained to him (after we were gone of course, never in the presence of the ladies.)
Its one thing to be a good who is indifferent or even likes BA, but there are SOOOO many sanctimonious assholes bitching about how much they hate implants, yet just have no clue.
Mr Hyde
02-13-2010, 02:12 PM
What greater achievement could there possibly be than being happy always?
We're talking semantics here...I mean satisfied. Of course you want to be happy, but if you're satisfied with being 300 pounds, not only is that unhealthy, it's unattractive as well.
hockeybobby
02-13-2010, 03:17 PM
We're talking semantics here...I mean satisfied. Of course you want to be happy, but if you're satisfied with being 300 pounds, not only is that unhealthy, it's unattractive as well.
I respectfully disagree. A state of satisfaction, contentment, or fulfillment, is both healthy, and attractive. A constant state of dissatisfaction is just another form of stress, or mental suffering. And what would one who was dissatisfied pursue, or strive for? Satisfaction.
Whether you are short, tall, thin, fat, rich, or poor...if you regularly experience a state of mind that is absent unhappiness and dissatisfaction....well, you've pretty much got it licked.
Just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.
laurcon
02-13-2010, 03:32 PM
I respectfully disagree. A state of satisfaction, contentment, or fulfillment, is both healthy, and attractive. A constant state of dissatisfaction is just another form of stress, or mental suffering. And what would one who was dissatisfied pursue, or strive for? Satisfaction.
Whether you are short, tall, thin, fat, rich, or poor...if you regularly experience a state of mind that is absent unhappiness and dissatisfaction....well, you've pretty much got it licked.
Just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.
i very much agree bobby. its this whole "more is more" american thing.
there is nothing wrong with being content and at peace with who you are. that being said, if you feel that way, you are not likely to maintain a 300lb frame once you love yourself enough to eat healthy and exercise regularly. but the losing weight is a side effect of being healthy, not some way to get even happier by being more attractive.
hence why i think the OP will just naturally tone up and shouldn't worry about it too much. doing some squats while waiting for the microwave couldn't hurt for the booty though ;)
Hopper
02-13-2010, 06:16 PM
I respectfully disagree. A state of satisfaction, contentment, or fulfillment, is both healthy, and attractive. A constant state of dissatisfaction is just another form of stress, or mental suffering. And what would one who was dissatisfied pursue, or strive for? Satisfaction.
Whether you are short, tall, thin, fat, rich, or poor...if you regularly experience a state of mind that is absent unhappiness and dissatisfaction....well, you've pretty much got it licked.
Just my opinion, and you are certainly entitled to yours.
I think a woman with less-than-ideal physical features is more attractive the happier her disposition is. Personality goes a long way toward making a woman physically attractive - it actually affects her physical characteristics in many ways. This was part of what I was saying above about women doing well with what they have.
But regarding a woman being happy and very overweight, or any undesirable condition which depends merely on the woman's habits, she is still only happy despite this, or if she is happy because of it, she's not thinking right. It's not actually something to be happy about.
Being overweight is not the same as being born to be tall, short, thin, big, etc. Of course a person may be genetically predisposed to overweight, but that just means it is harder for such a person to control, not that it is their healthy state.
However, it is still good if a woman who is overwieght can be happy despite it. Especially since for some it may be a very difficult thing to correct.
Hopper
02-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Its one thing to be a good who is indifferent or even likes BA, but there are SOOOO many sanctimonious assholes bitching about how much they hate implants, yet just have no clue.
There have been times when I wondered if a girls boobs are natural or have implants. It is sometimes hard to be sure. Other times it is obvious.
I don't hate implants as far as how they look or even feel (depending - some are bad), but at the same time I don't think they necessarily a help to the girl getting them. She has to live with them, I don't. There are problems associated with implants, one being that they have to be replaced fairly often. If her boobs are okay as they are naturally, I don't see a reason to make them larger. If they are large and sagging, then maybe she would prefer they are large and implanted.
I'm not being sanctimonious, I just think that women should not be so ready to change every natural feature they think doesn't measure up. Originally someone here recommended facial cosmetic surgery for the OP in regard to working as a stripper and I don't think that is necessary.
Lexi_Girl
02-13-2010, 07:45 PM
There's an entire fat acceptance movement made to help women feel better about their less than perfect bodies, especially if they're fat or struggling with their weight.
I won't say whether I agree with it or not, because I agree with some portions and disagree with other portions, but it is possible to be happy with your less than ideal body and not necessarily be wrong headed about it.
It kind of frightens me that plastic surgery has become such a common solution to the problems people (especially women) have with their bodies. Plastic surgery can help your self esteem, but often times, the trouble is deeper and you'll one day realize you can never attain the level of perfection you're hoping to achieve through surgery. I think that, for most people, gaining acceptance of their own body is a very important thing.
Also, an interesting look at the pursuit of happiness: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/07/magazine/the-futile-pursuit-of-happiness.html?sec=health