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mediocrity
02-09-2010, 03:23 PM
I think tanning is the biggest mistake young strippers make. I mean, you're cutting your career in half! You're ruining your looks for the rest of your life to make a few more bucks a night off some middle aged asshole. They invented self-tanner for a reason! Smoking would have to be the second worst mistake. Make yourself look awful and die. Awesome. Chantix works! Drinking is third, which I am guilty of.

I drink too, whatever. I also don't eat sweets, I walk everywhere, have been vegetarian for 14 years, and take obsessive care of my teeth- I have only ever had one cavity.

As far as Chantix etc, I honestly have no desire to quit smoking. Both of my grandmothers smoked and drank til the day they died and they were in their 80s. My dad has smoked a pack a day since he was 16, and he's 54 now. Every time he gets a physical they tell him he is fine. There is no history of obesity, heart disease, cancer or anything in my family. We are a hardy lot. Of course there is always luck of the draw but I really don't give a rat's ass if I get cancer when I'm 80. I also don't smoke heavily, so whatevs. I'm nonchalant about it.

Miss Jessica
02-10-2010, 02:56 AM
You are 25 and have wrinkles? What are you doing to your skin?! I know 35 year olds with perfect skin. It's not a complicated equation. Wear sunscreen, drink water, use moisturizer, don't tan, wash your face before you go to sleep.

Mine aren't as bad as I may be making them out to be, but I am obsessive about my skin.

SerenaSin
02-10-2010, 08:47 AM
is it just me, or when we hit 25 do we all freak out???

i'm literally having a quarter-life crisis. i don't think it's the number so much as i don't feel like i have accomplished enough to be 25....nor do i deserve wrinkles at 25.

Me too!!
I just turned 25 last month and I had my 1st ever birthday-induced-anxiety-attack... at work, no less. It was awful. I couldn't stop thinking "i'm going to die soon... i'm going to die soon..." and just shook all over.
I officially don't feel like a kid anymore. And at the same time, I see all these younger, super-accomplished actors, writers, models, dancers, friends/classmates/whatever and it makes me wonder wtf ive been doing all these years.

jaizaine
02-10-2010, 09:12 AM
This thread is funny!!

I am 30 and I've made close friendships with a lot of the younger girls, one of my best friends is 22.

However one thing that will make me dislike young dancers is if they are immature little shits who squeal and talk absolutely shit in the dressing room. I have a low tolerance for that.

Am I intimidated by their looks? Don't make me laugh :D I look better now than I did in my early 20s and the majority of strippers don't have the looks that would intimidate me LOL - seriously hiring standards seem at an all time low. Also I love other hot women.

Lexi_Girl
02-10-2010, 10:35 AM
You are 25 and have wrinkles? What are you doing to your skin?! I know 35 year olds with perfect skin. It's not a complicated equation. Wear sunscreen, drink water, use moisturizer, don't tan, wash your face before you go to sleep.

I have one wrinkle in my forehead. It's from my 'curious' face. Apparently I'm curious a lot.

I don't smoke, drink, tan, and take good care of my skin. Both my parents looked super wrinkled in their 40s, though. Not a big deal either way.

And yea, I cried on my 25th birthday :<

wanderlust08
02-10-2010, 10:37 AM
You are 25 and have wrinkles? What are you doing to your skin?! I know 35 year olds with perfect skin. It's not a complicated equation. Wear sunscreen, drink water, use moisturizer, don't tan, wash your face before you go to sleep.

Um, natural redheads are usually the first to develop wrinkles. We have less melanin in our skin, and this also results in having thinner skin. Natural redheads also produce less collagen, which is what gives skin its "bounce back". Less melanin + thinner skin + less collagen = wrinkles quicker. How's that for a complicated equation?

I moisturize/wash religiously, wear 30+ SPF daily because redheads are really prone to sunburn, and it is a physical impossibility for me to tan.

And by "wrinkles" I mean one line in the middle of my forehead that only I notice, that I want to get rid of before anyone else does.

Everyone's body works differently.

Victoria669Jones
02-10-2010, 01:32 PM
I'm 28 and starting to feel that "Omg I'm nearly 30" panic. I don't think being 30 is old by any means, but it's just going to be weird when I'm not in my 20's any more. Most people I meet are always very surprised when I tell them my age, they usually estimate about 23 before I tell them. And they can never believe that I'm married either. I mustn't look like the marrying kind. }:D lol

My skin has always been good and wrinkle free. I do think this is genetic though, my Mum has perfect skin and has never even used moisturizer. I smoke too. My sister had botox (she didn't need it) and I didn't notice any difference. She had a very subtle eye lift though, and the results were amazing.

Corey
02-11-2010, 12:13 PM
You are 25 and have wrinkles? What are you doing to your skin?! I know 35 year olds with perfect skin. It's not a complicated equation. Wear sunscreen, drink water, use moisturizer, don't tan, wash your face before you go to sleep.

Sometimes, it's hereditary. My bro and I have the same two small lines in our foreheads. I had them at 17. Not wrinkles, but I guess expression lines.

(I'm 38 and don't have them anymore, thanks to a couple of shots of botox);)

Corey
02-11-2010, 12:20 PM
Um, natural redheads are usually the first to develop wrinkles. We have less melanin in our skin, and this also results in having thinner skin. Natural redheads also produce less collagen, which is what gives skin its "bounce back". Less melanin + thinner skin + less collagen = wrinkles quicker. How's that for a complicated equation?

I moisturize/wash religiously, wear 30+ SPF daily because redheads are really prone to sunburn, and it is a physical impossibility for me to tan.

And by "wrinkles" I mean one line in the middle of my forehead that only I notice, that I want to get rid of before anyone else does.

Everyone's body works differently.

Girl, it's true. My dad is a highly freckled, was natrually reddish strawberry blond. He is now paying the price for any sun exposure he had and he DID NOT lay in the sun. He just didn't wear the screen. He got a carcinoma on his forearm from hanging it out the window while he commuted to work! Luckily, my mom is mexican, so I have more of her coloring. But my face has not been without sunscreen since I was 22.

Also, (side note) I hung w/ a friend yesterday. She said she liked my make-up. Told her I had none on, but I got spray tanned two days ago. My friend (being a very pale red head) says, "That's a lot of trouble. I would rather to to Palm Springs and lay our for 2 days and do it naturally":O

* She is 38 and already has slight skin sag around her lower face and yes, a good amount of expression lines!!

I'm so careful, I've putting putting sunscreen on my hands for 10 years!

femmefatale88
03-08-2010, 02:42 AM
I know a 30 year old dancer who is younger looking, prettier and in better shape than the younger girls. She is really stunning actually. I don't see why anyone has to be jealous of anyone else.

trixxi
11-05-2013, 04:44 AM
anyone else feel this way lately?? i am 31 and the minor dancers annoy me for so many reasons. if not their selfish boasting stupidity, i hate them expecting me to teach anything i know about stripping to them. no one except stripperweb and my own personal experience taught me. i am annoyed seeing the minors false expectations that there is always money and admiration every minute of the shift. experience has made me more patient with the ebb and flow of my time a the club. minors who can dance onstage but not walk the floor have a lot to learn about what the club really is like: BSing customers and dealing with handsy men all night!!

Zadi
11-05-2013, 07:02 AM
anyone else feel this way lately?? i am 31 and the minor dancers annoy me for so many reasons. if not their selfish boasting stupidity, i hate them expecting me to teach anything i know about stripping to them. no one except stripperweb and my own personal experience taught me. i am annoyed seeing the minors false expectations that there is always money and admiration every minute of the shift. experience has made me more patient with the ebb and flow of my time a the club. minors who can dance onstage but not walk the floor have a lot to learn about what the club really is like: BSing customers and dealing with handsy men all night!!

Everyone is new at some point. And with the way the industry is supposedly changing they're probably experiencing a different newbie experience than you did. A lot of girls have that boasty self-righteous attitude, not just new strippers. Not sure how to phrase this properly, about teaching them a little something, but it's wrong for them to EXPECT it of you, but that's because they see you as older and wiser and want some tips passed down. Nothing wrong with that, except for the attitude that comes with it, maybe.

Older women have the potential to hate on younger girls (and vice versa) anywhere, in my spinning class I get dirty looks and cold-shoulders, but that's not my problem, they need to deal with their low self-esteem, because I'm certainly not the cause of it. All you can do is be friendly and not feed into crap anyone gives you, regardless of their age.

Melonie
11-05-2013, 09:07 AM
i'm amazed i haven't heard on the news about some disgruntled stripper just opening fire in a club and taking everyone out! maybe some of these women have been through some rough shit in their life.

The one occasion where I was in a position where a stripper tried to involve gunfire in the dressing room involved a YOUNG dancer totally strung on crack ( which was the reason she was fired earlier that evening ). 12 gage buckshot leaves about a 3 ft hole in a sheet rock wall !!!

simone87
11-05-2013, 01:29 PM
lol 30 year olds and botox? i think that's a bit of an exaggeration. 30 is still young for god's sake! i don't see why there has to be such a huge rift and so much jealousy between older/younger dancers. absolutely, some older dancers are jealous of the younger ones..the older ones who look like shit and don't take care of themselves.i know this because as a newbie/young dancer i had a 45 year old be incredibly cruel to me for no reason whatsoever, publicly. but a lot of older dancers look great, aren't jealous, and don't care. maybe its something else that's annoying them besides your age. i think it has a lot to do with just being a "new" dancer rather than younger.

xxxGothBarbie
11-06-2013, 06:09 PM
I've ran across both older & younger women who hated on me for no reason at all when first starting at a club. I talk to no one unless I know you or a customer. I'm not there to make friends.period. For instance, last night i started at this divey place & got a dance 10 mins after I hit the floor & this other custy says to me"yep, you've certainly pissed off some of the girls in here already" & I said how so? He says they said bc "I walked around like I owned the place" LMAO wow, I didn't know that confidence was a crime these days?! LOL

whirlerz
11-06-2013, 06:13 PM
I'm mostly doing vanilla work these days, but as an 'older' lady, I see yeah both age groups of haters..o well

tempest666
11-06-2013, 06:23 PM
Yesterday I had one of the Androids complaining that the MILF had turned off the fan because "She is fucking 50 years and and she needs to move to Florida because that is what old people do." (The MILF is a youthful 43 and has not had any surgical procedures to my knowledge) The MILF walked away with the lion's share yesterday.

chanzep
11-07-2013, 12:00 PM
I work with 2 older girls that are friends, one is a witch both looks wise and personality and upsets other girls, the other is nice and smart and will sometimes get me doubles with her with young guys groups which I don't mind as she can hustle v good and sells the dances.

DorienG
11-08-2013, 12:33 AM
Since I'm an older dancer, I like working in larger clubs. Mostly because us girls are focusing on hustling instead of DR drama. I haven't had any drama in a while. None of them have insulted my looks (except for the occasional, "you're too skinny") but it doesn't sound vindictive. I'm pleasant to them, we seem to get along. I really could care less what they think about me, unless there was violence involved.

I try to steer away from smaller clubs. Again, the dancers have been cool for the most part. The smaller clubs to me, drive the younger, inexperienced dancers crazy when it's slow. Thats when the crying starts, the drugs come out, they drink too much...and that's the day shift! And I'm not saying all the young dancers are that way, just a hand full of 'house dancers' that have been there for a while. (Hmm, maybe they're not that young, but compared to me, yeah they are:-)

cairalis
11-08-2013, 04:42 AM
It is so funny I should find this thread today, I only dance on rare occasions nowadays, and yesterday was my first night in 1.5 mths. The club was E M P T Y all night and it was just a big waste of my time! The older dancers (my group) were sitting down, talking (many complaining), in the same place most of the night, while the younger ones were acting as if the club was actually packed. It was funny! They were drinking, up on stage, doing shows as if there were lots of guys watching, being loud etc. And it seemed as if it didnt even matter to them that they werent making any money. It seems to me that money for some young girls is just a bonus at work, if they dont make any they still love being there. I have no hate what so ever for younger girls, I just find it hard to keep up with them and their energy!

ashleexsapphire
11-09-2013, 01:02 PM
I never saw a point in all the hate and cattiness. Regardless of age difference, experience, what new dancers will or won't do, etc., we're all there to make money and support ourselves. Call me a tree hugger, but I've always thought the nastiness was so unnecessary. I'm one of those people who always try to start off on a good foot and am therefore friendly most of the time. That actually caused some of the older girls to get even cattier. Come on now, who doesn't want an enjoyable and upbeat work atmosphere?

The other thing I've noticed is that older girls in general seem to have a negative disposition toward us. Not all of them, but a decent amount. The girls at my vanilla job are like that. They have this attitude that we know nothing, are immature, are still children, and drama queens. Granted, many girls around my age make the stereotype real. However, I find it immature for people of any age to be so judgemental.

Starling
11-09-2013, 01:27 PM
Since I'm an older dancer, I like working in larger clubs. Mostly because us girls are focusing on hustling instead of DR drama. I haven't had any drama in a while. None of them have insulted my looks (except for the occasional, "you're too skinny") but it doesn't sound vindictive. I'm pleasant to them, we seem to get along. I really could care less what they think about me, unless there was violence involved.

I try to steer away from smaller clubs. Again, the dancers have been cool for the most part. The smaller clubs to me, drive the younger, inexperienced dancers crazy when it's slow. Thats when the crying starts, the drugs come out, they drink too much...and that's the day shift! And I'm not saying all the young dancers are that way, just a hand full of 'house dancers' that have been there for a while. (Hmm, maybe they're not that young, but compared to me, yeah they are:-)

I couldn't agree with this more. I had to switch from a small club to a bigger one to be around more experienced girls. In small clubs I notice I am often older than most of the other girls. And since I'm the older, jaded cunt I have found a lot of the younger dancers I have worked with to be loud and annoying so I try my best to avoid them.

I don't really care about dancers older than I am, but I have seen younger girls call older dancers sloppy or washed up when it really isn't their place to do that.

tempest666
11-09-2013, 09:43 PM
:drink::drink:Age does not = maturity or wisdom. I've met plenty of older dancers that I want to bitch slap as much as the young ones.

That being said, the older I get I find myself appreciating the older dancers that are immaculate in their appearances and habits. It takes a lot of work and dedication to maintain your physique in this business.

Here's to all the hot cougars on here. Y'all are an inspiration to me. May we have many more years and go out still on top. :drink:

Nina_
11-10-2013, 06:49 PM
It goes both ways. If an older dance is 'past her prime' (i.e not making money anymore and not taking care of her body / looks) then I can see how they'd hate on younger girls. But as for the older dancers who still look good, still make money, are in good shape (etc) I wouldn't describe their sentiments towards younger dancers as 'hating' (hating in my opinion denotes that there is some jealousy involved). Older dancers who are good hustlers have no reason to hate on younger dancers. Not to generalize, because I'm a younger dancer myself and so are plenty girls here who seem to carry themselves well, but a lot of young strippers these days are just bimbos and don't know how to actually entertain. These girls couldn't hold a candle to the older dancers who are still on their hustle. And because some younger dancers are annoying, it makes sense for an older dancer to get annoyed by them! A girl I used to work with was 40 at the time, had a great body, had obviously gotten a lot of work done but she looked great. She also had 2 master's degrees and owned a home. No reason for her to 'hate on' a young girl when this woman was one of the top earners. I'm a top earner too and I've been 'hated on' by older dancers who can't make money without doing extras or older dancers who are overweight, etc. But I've never been hated on by an older dancer who was a good entertainer. I'm sure the young girls who don't know how to make money hated plenty on the older dancers who were making six figures the clean way and looked better and more put together than most of the young dancers these days.

freckles
11-12-2013, 05:59 AM
It goes both ways. If an older dance is 'past her prime' (i.e not making money anymore and not taking care of her body / looks) then I can see how they'd hate on younger girls. But as for the older dancers who still look good, still make money, are in good shape (etc) I wouldn't describe their sentiments towards younger dancers as 'hating' (hating in my opinion denotes that there is some jealousy involved). Older dancers who are good hustlers have no reason to hate on younger dancers. Not to generalize, because I'm a younger dancer myself and so are plenty girls here who seem to carry themselves well, but a lot of young strippers these days are just bimbos and don't know how to actually entertain. These girls couldn't hold a candle to the older dancers who are still on their hustle. And because some younger dancers are annoying, it makes sense for an older dancer to get annoyed by them! A girl I used to work with was 40 at the time, had a great body, had obviously gotten a lot of work done but she looked great. She also had 2 master's degrees and owned a home. No reason for her to 'hate on' a young girl when this woman was one of the top earners. I'm a top earner too and I've been 'hated on' by older dancers who can't make money without doing extras or older dancers who are overweight, etc. But I've never been hated on by an older dancer who was a good entertainer. I'm sure the young girls who don't know how to make money hated plenty on the older dancers who were making six figures the clean way and looked better and more put together than most of the young dancers these days.

^ The entire thread, summed up perfectly. I love your posts Nina, you always make so much sense.

Nina_
11-12-2013, 02:06 PM
^ The entire thread, summed up perfectly. I love your posts Nina, you always make so much sense.

Thanks :D

SweetJulia
11-12-2013, 07:59 PM
Ok, I find it important to distinguish the difference between older dancers who look amazing, make bank, and love their jobs and the ones who've aged badly, have Jerry Springer topic issues, and dislike dancing and know it's past time to quit but can't because they can't handle the drop in money of taking a vanilla job, don't want to stick to a schedule, or are unable to find vanilla work because of a criminal record. It's the latter that hate on girls who look better, make more money, and generally have more going in life. Also, I've found that the most attractive girl in most clubs are very friendly and receptive to new, hot girls. Cuz they know that another pretty girl won't threaten their income. It's usually attractive-but-not-model-quality ones and plainer looking ones with bodies hit hard by age, hard drugs, or children that are snobby and unhelpful to younger, new, hot girls because they realize a dent is about to be made in their income, sometimes even if they do extras. I've more than dealt with my share. First place I worked, I was the only girl with white teeth and a flat stomach. It was funny as hell when customers would point that out while these women could hear and *I'd* get dirty looks. My advice to girls on here who find themselves on the receiving end of such treatment, give it no space in your head. Take it as a compliment and count your money smiling as often as you'd like :)

NatalyIrene
11-14-2013, 09:00 AM
I have to agree…your post does make you sound a bit dramay yourself, that being said, a lot of strippers in general are jealous bitches, so I wouldn't be surprised if they are….

janesays22
11-18-2013, 06:42 AM
I'm 28, I recently started a new club and I've been having 21 yr olds talking to me like they're coaching me or something. Customers often assume I'm younger (I usually tell them my real age because I find it sets them at ease, and I get my 'real' customers through good conversation) but I've been taken off guard by the girls reactions. They must think because I'm new to the club I'm new to the industry and around their age. I'm nice to them (there's no reason not to be) but I typically just make 'huh' grunting sounds while I'm putting on make up and they're rattling into the mirror elaborating on some experience that I feel like I've had 100 times already. Internally I feel sort of condescending & indulgent towards them- it's all still novel and they're excited and want to show off. It reminds me of kids who jump into a pool and then are like "I made a spash THIS BIIGGGG" So far I can't relate, hopefully over time I'll drop enough subtle hints to show that I don't need to be informed of 'how it is' for now I just tune out if it gets annoying. Acting like a bitch just creates a bad work environment for everybody and I don't see the point in it.

tempest666
11-18-2013, 07:52 AM
I'm 28, I recently started a new club and I've been having 21 yr olds talking to me like they're coaching me or something. Customers often assume I'm younger (I usually tell them my real age because I find it sets them at ease, and I get my 'real' customers through good conversation) but I've been taken off guard by the girls reactions. They must think because I'm new to the club I'm new to the industry and around their age. I'm nice to them (there's no reason not to be) but I typically just make 'huh' grunting sounds while I'm putting on make up and they're rattling into the mirror elaborating on some experience that I feel like I've had 100 times already. Internally I feel sort of condescending & indulgent towards them- it's all still novel and they're excited and want to show off. It reminds me of kids who jump into a pool and then are like "I made a spash THIS BIIGGGG" So far I can't relate, hopefully over time I'll drop enough subtle hints to show that I don't need to be informed of 'how it is' for now I just tune out if it gets annoying. Acting like a bitch just creates a bad work environment for everybody and I don't see the point in it.
It depends on how they're acting. If they're playing among themselves I leave them alone. If they come encroaching into my personal space it's a different story. Asking me how much money I make, trying to give me "pointers" etc. I straight up tell them "Shut the fuck up because you don't know it all and neither do I".

Miss_Mercedes
11-18-2013, 08:54 PM
Maybe they are picking up on your attitude of superiority.. if you think you are so young and beautiful and a good money maker (not saying that you aren't) but that they are old and bitter, no wonder they are acting unfriendly towards you.

That being said, new girls come and go so much in this industry.. it doesn't make sense to cultivate relationships with people if they aren't going to be around very long.

That's my philosophy.

BTW I'm soon to be 26 and have never had botox.. I HOPE I don't look over the hill as you suggest when I'm 30

rusdancer
11-18-2013, 09:10 PM
I'm 28, I recently started a new club and I've been having 21 yr olds talking to me like they're coaching me or something. Customers often assume I'm younger (I usually tell them my real age because I find it sets them at ease, and I get my 'real' customers through good conversation) but I've been taken off guard by the girls reactions. They must think because I'm new to the club I'm new to the industry and around their age. I'm nice to them (there's no reason not to be) but I typically just make 'huh' grunting sounds while I'm putting on make up and they're rattling into the mirror elaborating on some experience that I feel like I've had 100 times already. Internally I feel sort of condescending & indulgent towards them- it's all still novel and they're excited and want to show off. It reminds me of kids who jump into a pool and then are like "I made a spash THIS BIIGGGG" So far I can't relate, hopefully over time I'll drop enough subtle hints to show that I don't need to be informed of 'how it is' for now I just tune out if it gets annoying. Acting like a bitch just creates a bad work environment for everybody and I don't see the point in it.
Great post, jane says! I have seen similar situations as well, when someone who has very little experience tries to micromanage someone who has been in the business for a VERY long time. From personal experience, those kind of people are extremely insecure, have major control issues, and are very paranoid. These people often have grandiose/sociopathic tendencies as in "I'm a jack of all trades, know everything better than everybody, and I am better than YOU!". Be careful making friends with them, because there will be control, jealousy, stealing customers, and back stabbing; and brown nosing the manager at your expense. Been there done that. But they have not. They always wonder why is it that no one likes them. Amusing but annoying.

tempest666
11-18-2013, 09:19 PM
My experience is the younger ones tend to be more curious and chatty. The vets usually suss you out before making a decision. It's not that they're "hating" most of them just don't give a fuck one way or the other about fresh meat. The pussy-go-round spins all the time. New girls come and go. Why bother with them when you can focus on making money?

Just a sidenote: The Androids are in their early 30's and HATE on the MILF. You'll catch them making snarky comments about her age, etc. I've noticed this tends to occur more often when the 'Droids aren't racking up dances but the MILF is. She is one of the quietest people I know. She also makes more money than me and the 2 'Droids combined.

precise212
12-04-2013, 01:11 PM
Right on the money, Rusdancer! There are so much insecurity in majority of younger girls, except a few:)

BrittanyBelle
12-04-2013, 01:35 PM
Older, more mature, veteran dancers have the most regulars and have the most experience. Their need to do "extras" are far less than a 20 y/o who is less established. It's your attitude that they don't like. Be appreciative of the veteran dancers; they could teach you a thing or two if it wasn't for your demeanor.

tempest666
12-04-2013, 03:37 PM
Yesterday was a good case in point. I went back to one of my old haunts with a younger co worker from my main club. It was a slow night but I made good money. The youngins were busy onstage playing on the pole and having themselves a blast. I just smiled and let them have their fun. they weren't bothering me any. :)