View Full Version : Wife dances. Please help me girls!
jaizaine
02-14-2010, 05:44 AM
I think you should get someone to go to the club, go into VIP with A LOT of cash and see how far they can get with her. I don't see a problem with doing that It will put your mind at ease. If she does nothing wrong then she need never know u did this. If she does extras then at least you will know.
I know everyone is saying that if you have to hire a PI then you have no trust etc but really most people cannot be trusted, humans are exceptionally bad at monogamy. Also, you deserve to know where you stand. If I wanted conformation about a partners fidelity I would hire a PI.
The texting with regulars is nothing to be concerned about. We have to lead them on to keep them coming back and spending money.
Your girl only lasts at clubs where extras happen. That is not a good sign. Also how can u put yourself thru this every time she works u must be going out of your mind and feeling sick over what she might be doing.
Your wife might enjoy some aspects of dancing besides the money. I do like the attention sometimes but most of the time I dont enjoy giving lap dances. My friend who is married used to enjoy coming to work to have a few drinks and chat to the other dancers at the same time she made some extra money. It was like an outlet for her.
This is going to continue to eat u up.
jaizaine
02-14-2010, 05:49 AM
Actually i did quit being a musician for her. She didnt like the idea of groupies and me being on the road. As far as trusting me with texts, I think she simply forgot to tell this one person to chill for a few days. She keeps her phone with her at all times. even to the bathroom. and keeps it on silent ALWAYS. Ive never accused her of anything. I simply asked and watched her body language. And i thank you for your input.
there is only one reason to be that hyper vigilant with a mobile phone and it's because she is worried you will read certain texts. I have done this in a relationship before, not coz I was up to anything but coz things can be misconstrued. esp texts from regulars.
Elusive21
02-14-2010, 10:53 AM
Yea i think i saw that site. Dont they want you to pay to read that stuff? Im very careful about using my CC on any sex industry sites.
on tuscl you can get free access to reviews if you post one yourself about a club that you have been to.
Almost Jaded
02-14-2010, 03:31 PM
I think the OP should give me $1500 to blow on his dancer wife in VIP, about wht he'd spend on a PI. I have a fun night in a SC, and the outcome can ONLY be positive. Outcome one: she's totally clean and I had a fun night and he feels relieved. Outcome 2: She's everything he's worried she is, he is sad but moves on, and MM and I have a blast with a new girl. Maybe a new girlfriend. :)
Dude, seriously - I have posted these words SO many times on these boards it's wearing out a specific series of keys on my laptop. YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS DATING - MUCH LESS BEING MARRIED TO - A STRIPPER.
The following prerequisites are MUSTS for a successful relationship with a dancer, whether she gives extras or not, lol. Really, they are musts for ANY successful relationship, but some things are amplified when your SO is a stripper.
1. Jealousy must be all but nonexistent, preferably completely nonexistent. You're considering being with a woman who makes a living getting undressed in front of horny men. Whether or not she's "doing extras", most guys can check out right here.
2. Trust must be at a level that few other people in relationships can even begin to comprehend. See above.
3. Understanding and communication must also be at super-human levels. With that comes a willingness to grasp that her moods will vary differently from most other women, and that her POV's on many thing will also be very different. Most successful dancers are far more independent and free thinking than many women. Accept and appreciate it or GTFO.
And on and on, but those 3 are just plain huge.
You have jealousy issues. Jealousy, BTW, isn't a real thing, it's a symptom and an indicator of other issues. So find the real issues.
You don't trust her. Your claims about communication and other things OTC are completely undermined by this threads very existence, nevermind many of the statements you've made.
See above for the communication and understanding part. Quit saying you have it - you don't. I believe #3 ended with GTFO, didn't it? Hmmm.
Yea i guess i have to worry any time she steps thru that door. jeez. Im REALLY trying not to freak out. And ive done pretty good for 4 years but its really starting to takes its toll. Ive never even seen her dance hahah. I wont step foot past the front door. Some dude would be going home in a body bag if i did. grrrrrrr.
This statement summed it all up as far as I'm concerned. You are quietly building up concerns and resentment. Whether or not she's lying to you is a non-issue; if she's lying she doesn't trust you to handle the truth, if she's telling the truth you clearly don't believe her, so what does it matter?
Here's what I want you to ponder: What are you so worried about? REALLY? If you truly feel she's your soulmate (which, based on the very limited information available here, I doubt is the case), what's the problem? She comes home to you every night, doesn't she? She still has sexual relations with you and enjoys it, right? Those assumptions are based on the fact that nowhere in this thread have you said her attitude toward sex in your relationship has changed or that your sex life has suffered.
Maybe she's sucking off every man in the state, maybe she gives strictly air dances, maybe something in between - you don't know, and you don't accept her answers. So we're back to that - either she's lying because "you can't handle the truth!", or she's telling the truth and the problem is you, or something in between. I say again - just let it go.
You say repeatedly that other than your concerns about what goes on ITC, everything is wonderful. So here you go - what happens ITC, stays ITC. Problem solved. You said yourself you never set foot in the place. Since she is, as previously mentioned, coming home to you and everything at home and in your (the plural your) relationship OTC is great - just quit thinking about it.
If MM were giving extras, I'd be bothered. Kinda. But she'd tell me, and I'd say "if that's what you want to do, be safe". And I'd drop it, whether it really bugged me or not. Hell, she's told me flat out that she wants to work at a Parhump brothel for a week just to see what it's like. Do I love the idea? Hell no, LMAO! But I support her in her exploration of herself, and I fince tremendous comfort in the knowledge that by supporting her I do far more to keep her in my life than by trying to control her and/or second guess her. You would do well to red that last line 100 times and internalize it.
Or leave her and allow you both to find someone you'll really be happy with.
:shrug:
Almost Jaded
02-14-2010, 03:47 PM
Oh - another thing - if she's bisexual and you're cutting her off from her coworkers, that's just cruel. Seriously. I do NOT understand guys who believe that because their "previously" bisexual or lesbian girl is with them, she needs to stop all the things she enjoys with women, but at least it's a consistent POV - total monogamy (LMAO). But the "only if I'm there" attitude is so pathetic it just blows my mind. What it REALLY means - and really think about it, because it's really true - is "I don't trust that there won't be another man there if I'm not", and that's pathetic. If she likes girls, let her have her girls, with or without you. Or go back to the total monogamy model, which is at least consistent.
How about a tangent to bring some fun to this thread? We went to Rick's last night so MM andour roommate could check it out. Right away a girl found us that all 3 of us thought was attractive and who was really cool. After sitting stageside for a while, we bought a few LD's from her. MM and this gal REALLY hit it off. A LOT, lol. She's leaving teh country in 10 days, her SO is already over there, but he's about like I a when it comes to her and other girls. They traded numbers - I'm pretty sure might not see MM for 10 days, LMAO! The electricity between the two of them was palpable.
See - how can any guy deny his girl that? Clearly they connected. What kind of an asshole would I be to say "well, since she can't have another man there out of respect for her SO, they can't act on this". Whatever. They will have an experience that they will both remember fondly for the rest of their lives, and I'll have a very grateful and bubbly MM coming home to me who also had a few nights to miss me. Win-win right there. :)
Djoser
02-14-2010, 08:49 PM
1. Jealousy must be all but nonexistent, preferably completely nonexistent. You're considering being with a woman who makes a living getting undressed in front of horny men. Whether or not she's "doing extras", most guys can check out right here.
2. Trust must be at a level that few other people in relationships can even begin to comprehend. See above.
3. Understanding and communication must also be at super-human levels. With that comes a willingness to grasp that her moods will vary differently from most other women, and that her POV's on many thing will also be very different. Most successful dancers are far more independent and free thinking than many women. Accept and appreciate it or GTFO.
These three rules should be engraved in stone and set in a gold frame. Or something like that.
I don't automatically blame the guy in these situations, as I have seen so many others do time and time again. Maybe because I have seen so few good relationships in the business. Usually the guys are dipshits, possibly because, as rule number one above states, 'most guys can check out right here.' Either they start off casual and then the 'normal' feelings about not sharing SOs start kicking in, or sometimes they are misled about what's really going on.
Or, more frequently, they are in it for all the wrong reasons, leeching money, trying to fuck all her friends/other clubs' dancers, etc. Those are the guys that really need to be kicked to the curb immediately, but they almost never are.
KS_Stevia
02-14-2010, 09:32 PM
When did this become about her being bisexual? Also, when did this become about Almost Jaded's bragfest? I think the OP has a serious dilemna. He might not be handling it in the most mature and intelligent manner, but its a valid concern.
MissMynxx
02-14-2010, 11:37 PM
When did this become about her being bisexual? Also, when did this become about Almost Jaded's bragfest? I think the OP has a serious dilemna. He might not be handling it in the most mature and intelligent manner, but its a valid concern.
Personally, I think that AJ has some seriously good points. Nevermind his "bragging", since when did it become not-ok to give your own experiences on things relating to the topic?
I don't think the OP has a valid concern. After reading some of his comments again, he truly has no business dating a dancer - much less marrying one - and he has jealousy issues. Rather than coming here looking for sympathy, he needs to sit down with his wife and talk.
He doesn't trust her. That right there is the beginning of the end. And if she doesn't trust him with the truth - well, that really sucks because the end is already here.
Almost Jaded
02-14-2010, 11:37 PM
1st - I ALWAYS brag about MM, because she's that fucking cool.
2nd - he has mentioned repeatedly that he worries as much about the girls in the dressing room as he does about the custies. He has stated repeatedly "men OR women", and gone off about how they've had threesomes and whatnot before, but he's not comfortable with her being with women without his presence, as this constitutes cheating to him.
On topic, I promise. Otherwise I wouldn't have had a reason to post it. ;)
KS_Stevia
02-14-2010, 11:49 PM
Nothing wrong with him not wanting her to be with women without him. Not everyone has the same level of comfort with various levels of open relationship.
And I think his concern is valid, he's just being kind of a baby about it with the threats to start dancing.
Almost Jaded
02-14-2010, 11:55 PM
I can kinda see where you're coming from. And I can appreciate your not jumping all over his shit like most here have. IMHO though, his ongoing replies have only dug his hole deeper.
I can KINDA see where the OP is coming from. But only kinda. I can see where the concern would be, I can understand almost all of it - except the part where it's been slowly building for four years, and the part where other than this everything's fine, and the part where he insists that they have great communication, and the part - wait - nevermind, I totally don't get where he's coming from anymore.
Hopefully that explained my mindset a little, lol.
Oh - nd I totally meant what I said about I always brag bout MM, but I went back and re-read my posts after I replied, and I really wasn't bragging about anything..? Just wondering what came off that way. As I said, I'm not shy about bragging up my awesome fiance and our otherworldly good relationship, but in this case it wasn't intentional, lol.
Here in southern Ontario most clubs are extra places.
I have never done extras and always seem to do well.
My current and fav. club is pretty much 95 percent extras, but you can still make great money being clean. The staff is great, the girls are nice (since Im not taking their business hence not competition) There are guys who appreciate not being hounded for sex and do spend money. Regualar, super shy guys.
Maybe thats her case.
The clean clubs here are super catty and cut throat.
Type her stage name in stripclublist.
It could be lies, but ya never know.
PS. I give out my work cell number to regs.
Good luck man.
Djoser
02-16-2010, 04:24 AM
Oh - nd I totally meant what I said about I always brag bout MM, but I went back and re-read my posts after I replied, and I really wasn't bragging about anything..? Just wondering what came off that way. As I said, I'm not shy about bragging up my awesome fiance and our otherworldly good relationship, but in this case it wasn't intentional, lol.
The one thing that concerns me is your signature line. It appears as though you are trying to hook up, or hook MM up, with SW members.
Well lots of guys do that here, it's not a heinous crime or anything, and I myself had a torrid 2 year affair with a SW member, so I'm no angel in that respect. And I will tell stories about situations I have been in that are related to the OP in vaious threads (just did that in another thread actually).
Just saying the stories combined with the signature line gives a certain impression, which might not be accurate. I confess I was a bit concerned when I first saw that, when I first read some of your posts. But we had a bad experience with a guy here trying to pick up SW members and using his 'scores' to recruit others to the flock.
Almost Jaded
02-16-2010, 01:34 PM
Ah. I guess that makes sense, lol.
For the record, I'm a long time SC junkie. Wasn't into them much before I moved to Vegas, was more of a club kid. But here, the night clubs are retarded. Overpriced, overly pretentious, bad music, nowhere to chill unless you spend a few hundred for bottle service. And the people there are, much of the time, even worse - everybody fronting like they're somebody, bunch of bullshit. Most of the women there are ice queen gold diggers.
So for the same money or less, I can go to a SC, where the fact that the girls are there for my cash is no secret, where I can sit comfortably and listen to generally a better variety of music, and the ladies are already naked, LMAO. A few LD's or a VIP, and I'm out exactly what I would have been for a night out at Tao or Jet, but had more fun. :shrug:
The first two dancers I dated I didnt know were dancers until we'd gone out. Same with a cocktail waitress at a SC; didn't know she worked in a SC until we were dating. Had 2 friends in different cities that were SC DJ's, again - didn't know they were in the industry until we'd become friends.
I do NOT pick up on girls ITC unless they're making it pretty damn clear they're interested in OTC meeting - and even then, she has to make it pretty damn cut and dry. MM hit on me flagrantly for over an hour, practically forced her real name and phone number on me, no joke, lol. In fact it was my friend who was there with me that finally said I was being retarded and put her number in my phone. Boy do I owe that buddy a lifetime of favors, LOL!
My comments about dancers being better quality GF's are from my experience and observations - as are my rather blunt statements about how most guys can't handle dating them, lol. A guy who has what it takes to date a girl who is serious about this industry and who finds a girl who has her head on straight and takes her career as a dancer seriously will find that those girls are generally some of the best GF material on earth. Emphasis on the fact that not ALL of teh dancers fall into that category, and that very few men have the right attitude and personality to make it work.
As for my sig - it's really exactly what it says. We frequent clubs, and we like to meet people we know from here. And I never walk into a SC without intending at the VERY least to tip a few dollars every set for an hour or so, period. So far very few have taken me/us up on it, and that's sad! :(
Lastly, my openness about our relationship, the dynamics of which are strange to many... Well, write it off to the fact that we're both very open people, lol. And especially in threads about dating dancers, I will sing MM's praises from the rooftops, as she has literally changed my life, and made me a better person. I like to think I've done the same in some small way for her. She has literally redefined what I thought was possible in a relationship. If this one doesn't work out, I'm ruined for life for finding another woman, that's for sure, LMAO! I also feel it's my "duty" to run on about the positive experiences I've had dating dancers, because the stereotypes are asinine. Sure - there are girls who fit them, lol. Find a group that has a stereotype where there aren't those for whom the shoe fits! And as for hooking up with anyone from the site - well, same process and likelihood as hooking up with any other woman anywhere. We both like having other girls involved as much as possible, but that's not the reason either of us is here, lol.
Anyway, sorry for the rant. Maybe a few people who matter will read it (laurcon comes to mind, as well as KS_Stevia) with whom there've been misunderstandings and it will help. Hopefully it wasn't a waste of time and bandwidth, lol. ;)
laurcon
02-16-2010, 02:16 PM
Wow. That's too long to quote but that was one of the best posts I've ever read. And coming from a man! I'm honestly blown away. I could relate right off the bat with the club scene thing because its the same thing here in Manhattan... because they're the same douchebags in Vegas! Plus LA douches which could possibly be worse because they think they OWN Vegas. :tophat:
I've always defended my customers when people say "you must get some weirdo losers huh?" I'm like wtf, ew no. Plenty of hot younger guys with their shit together come in for lots of reasons that don't involve trying to get off. Its just a fun time and we're the same girls that you would meet at the nicest nightclubs but not ever be able to talk to or given any attention. I literally wear the same clothes out as I do to work, its just more fun to party without them right? :flirt:
Your relationship sounds amazing, makes me happy to see. From my perspective over here in NY, you two definitely seem like soulmates. You seem to have a very understanding caring relationship built on mutual respect and trust. Is this too much ass-kissing? Just seems like a good thing to me anyway, congrats! And idk why you were so resistant to like take her number? But who cares now, it all worked out :cupid:
And that was nice of you to even mention me. Made me feel special, thanks. We did have a misunderstanding but I think that was mostly due to my drunkenness and its literally forgotten about. :blush:
KS_Stevia
02-16-2010, 03:03 PM
Ah. I guess that makes sense, lol.
For the record, I'm a long time SC junkie. Wasn't into them much before I moved to Vegas, was more of a club kid. But here, the night clubs are retarded. Overpriced, overly pretentious, bad music, nowhere to chill unless you spend a few hundred for bottle service. And the people there are, much of the time, even worse - everybody fronting like they're somebody, bunch of bullshit. Most of the women there are ice queen gold diggers.
So for the same money or less, I can go to a SC, where the fact that the girls are there for my cash is no secret, where I can sit comfortably and listen to generally a better variety of music, and the ladies are already naked, LMAO. A few LD's or a VIP, and I'm out exactly what I would have been for a night out at Tao or Jet, but had more fun. :shrug:
Agreed 100%. Vegas night clubs are so lame. I got thrown out of Pure for no reason one night. I looked at the bouncer funny or something. Bottle service is fucking ridiculous, and the entire place is so cordened off by that damn rope, no one can just get together and dance.
I MUCH prefer going to the SC in Vegas.
NYC clubs are also pretty lame. With the exception of Mehanata, but that's not really a big ole nightclub, its kind of different. NYC strip clubs are quite nice as well. ;)
pdxslc
02-16-2010, 03:16 PM
Amen! I had guys texting me constantly telling me they adored me and couldn't wait to see me, and I never did anything whatsoever that would be an extra.
Just going to add, I've only been dancing for a few months, and I've had one guy propose to me, and another ask me to move across the country with him. "I'll take care of you, baby." :P And I've never done anything that is remotely an extra. Heck, we're not even allowed to take our top off when we're not onstage. It seems like this is what regulars are like.
pdxslc
02-16-2010, 03:20 PM
Agreed 100%. Vegas night clubs are so lame. I got thrown out of Pure for no reason one night. I looked at the bouncer funny or something. Bottle service is fucking ridiculous, and the entire place is so cordened off by that damn rope, no one can just get together and dance.
Ok, totally agree! Pure was ridiculous. There is literally NO place to sit if you don't do bottle service... or get a bachelor party to get you into VIP (like we did).
laurcon
02-16-2010, 05:11 PM
Ok, totally agree! Pure was ridiculous. There is literally NO place to sit if you don't do bottle service... or get a bachelor party to get you into VIP (like we did).
Oh yes, I won't go anywhere if I don't have bottles and a table. I don't enjoy being that way, but I have to be. I just hope my snobbery is reversible, I'm pretty sure it is.
Oh and yes, threadjack here but if the OP isn't responding anymore then what are we gonna do.
Almost Jaded
02-16-2010, 05:25 PM
Party with our clothes off. :)
In 9 years I literally have yet to go clubbing in Vegas at the big name spots and actually have fun. Not. Fucking. Once. And given some of the VIP parties I've to or even been part of, that's saying something, lol.
And thank you for your kind comments about my post! I was worried that I'd be lambasted for ranting off about myself, lol.
KS_Stevia
02-16-2010, 08:35 PM
Party with our clothes off. :)
l.
K_Stevia like this.
^ I am down for that except I have to cling to my whitey tighties. I know that would make me an object of ridicule }:D
FBR
hockeybobby
02-16-2010, 09:57 PM
Oh and yes, threadjack here but if the OP isn't responding anymore then what are we gonna do.
This guy knows. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtjspYoRZNM)
8)
Im_not_here
02-19-2010, 07:05 PM
Well "Almost Jaded", Im so glad you are happy with your relationship(s). First off I never said I had threesomes with my wife. Never ever have or will. So im not sure where you got that. And if you think most guys cant handle dating or marrying a dancer then I feel really bad for dancers. Makes your choices kinda limited huh girls? Unless you want to date/marry someone that will surely be hooking up with other people on a regular basis that is. Hey, maybe some people like that. I sure did with a few girls that were dancers. But it gets old fast. I just dont want to be married to a prostitute. Sorry. If you are doing extras for money you are a prostitute. Sexual favors for money. Thats the definition. Being a dancer is cool as long as thats not going on.
And hell yes I am a bit of a jealous person when it comes to my wife. I love her more that I could ever say. Ive had very open relationships that lasted years and that was great for what it was. But with my wife its simply not how it is. She once told me (and still does) that the thought of me in another womans bed makes her crazy. She doesnt like it. Now, I am to believe that most girls just can handle dating a man? No, I think not. BTW, don't worry about hijaking this thread, I think I'm done here. I REALLY appreciate the feedback.
MissMynxx
02-19-2010, 07:58 PM
I was with another dancer for four years and we hooked with a lot of girls together. Didnt bother me at all.
This was probably the line I mis-read. I apologize for having misunderstood it or remembered it incorrectly.
And most guys CAN'T, and that's why there are so many threads here about guys having issues with their dancer G's/wives, or girls posting in Life Support about their bf's/husbands, why so many girls dance behind their SO's backs, and frankly why the stereotype about who dancers date exists (What does a stripper do with her asshole before work? Drops him off at band practice.). So yes - your (hard to tell if it was sarcastic or not) comment about feeling sorry for these girls has basis. They are often faced with having to choose between their chosen career and their chosen mate. It's fucked up, plain and simple.
I can fully understand your having an issue with her performing extras. Nobody is seriously saying you shouldn't. What is resounding through this thread is that either she's lying to you or she's not, and there seems to be a breakdown in either communication, honesty, or trust. We're not there, man, we don't know which it is any more than you do. Much of what you have posted leads the members here to think you're right, and there have been a lot of not so nice posts to that effect.
I wonder what we'd hear were she to start a thread. "Jealous hubby doesn't believe I"m a clean dancer" or some such.
Behind the tone of many of the posts, some really good advice has been given. None of which involved hiring a PI. :shrug:
EDIT - oops - posted from MM's laptop, lol. The above post was written by Almost Jaded, don't hold poor dear MissMynxx responsible for it's content. :P
Im_not_here
02-19-2010, 09:25 PM
well thats the dilema. Shes either lying or she isnt. ahhhh! Fuck it. Im done.
Surprise
02-20-2010, 12:30 AM
Hey! I used to go to clubs ALL THE TIME with my bandmates and none of us are fat and gross.
I AM EVERY MAN IN A STRIP CLUB EVER.
>:(
come on...
laurcon
02-20-2010, 03:57 PM
Well "Almost Jaded", Im so glad you are happy with your relationship(s). First off I never said I had threesomes with my wife. Never ever have or will. So im not sure where you got that. And if you think most guys cant handle dating or marrying a dancer then I feel really bad for dancers. Makes your choices kinda limited huh girls? Unless you want to date/marry someone that will surely be hooking up with other people on a regular basis that is. Hey, maybe some people like that. I sure did with a few girls that were dancers. But it gets old fast. I just dont want to be married to a prostitute. Sorry. If you are doing extras for money you are a prostitute. Sexual favors for money. Thats the definition. Being a dancer is cool as long as thats not going on.
Yes it makes our choice limited to strong secure amazing men, wow sucks for us huh? And we fucking know that doing extras for money makes you a whore, if you read like any other threads on this board you would know that. That's why people are telling you your wife is a whore, literally not figuratively in a mean way.
So don't let the proverbial door hit you bud... GTFO! :wave:
mediocrity
02-20-2010, 04:34 PM
Or, you can just give up the ghost like I did and date someone else in the adult industry.
God that's made my life so much easier.
oxSkylarxo
02-24-2010, 12:44 AM
I AM EVERY MAN IN A STRIP CLUB EVER.
>:(
come on...
Exactly! You are a rarity. Most of the usual suspects range from looking like your typical guy that shops at Walmart, Carl from Aqua Teen, Bill from King of the Hill, serial killers, and Wilford Brimley. I have maybe seen five cute dudes in the almost four months I have been doing this.
And nobody cares about what band you started with some lame ex-Christian bands.
I second that you are resentful about giving up your music.
laurcon
02-24-2010, 01:14 AM
Exactly! You are a rarity. Most of the usual suspects range from looking like your typical guy that shops at Walmart, Carl from Aqua Teen, Bill from King of the Hill, serial killers, and Wilford Brimley. I have maybe seen five cute dudes in the almost four months I have been doing this.
well once again depends were you work. no usual suspects at my club look anything like that. if that's what customers are, i can fully understand most girls wanting to vomit when thinking of kissing a customer. i just hate the stereotype that most customers are nasty, because they def aren't at all clubs.
when i was in jersey and the customers were nasty, i was stage-only. the money just isn't worth it to me. those guys you listed are horrific Skylar, you are a strong lady.
johnnytwoshoes
02-24-2010, 06:42 PM
I think dancers respond differently depending on the customer. In fact I know they do. It's not a constant. You have to take this into consideration.
mediocrity
02-24-2010, 06:47 PM
^^ Agreed.