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bem401
02-28-2010, 01:36 PM
(typo thing, correcting earlier post;)

there is very little if anything directly or indirectly in this thread about "White Knights". The comments by Bem have nothing to do with that white knights issue,. Same with references to Phil W from London, he's not trying to save anyone. Bem says that buying dances from his friends has become "uncomfortable" and "doesn't work for him or his friends" (ok no big thing), but then mentions (as he has before) that his dancer friends don't like their customers, but then Bem specifically mentions on this thread that married guys are the customers that they dislike the most. However, BEM (from the posts l've read here and elsewhere) is not acting as any White Knight, nor do I think he is claiming that he is acting as such.

Some "White knights" pay and some don't, some are cheap and some are not, some have lots of money, the essence of what they do is a (normally) misguided attempt at saving dancers from something, whereas "cheap ass time wasters" are about just being cheap or just not having the funds, and Bem may not be a subset of that group. because he's referring to the RL friends issue.

the point is "thatguy" is clearly confusing two different issues.

I don't know why my name is resurfacing, though I think you're actually defending me here, which is surprising. I disagree with almost nothing you wrote. I am neither a "white knight" nor a "cheap-ass-time-waster". I am where I am because that's how things played out, not because I planned it that way. Honestly though, I don't understand why you would take issue with my providing math help on request. Its not a form of currency. I don't exchange it for dancer contact. My friends get it for free. Anyone else would be charged for it. Its one of the things I do for a living.

The girls I am friendly with appreciate their customers, single or married, as customers. They disapprove personally of the married guys visiting the clubs behind their wives' backs, much like some of the girls who posted here. Maybe it makes them worry about what their SO might be up to, who knows? I'm only relaying what I've been told.

yoda57us
02-28-2010, 02:11 PM
FYI "White Knight Syndrome" (urbandictionary.com)"a state of mind whereby a male feels the need or obligation to rescue maidens from unfortunate circumstances."

FYI, much like your attempts at pop psychology and creative punctuation the Urban Dictionary is often less than accurate when applied to the meanings of certain phrases as they relate to the adult industry.

The tag can and does mean different things to different people. WK's can be guys who don't spend at all but try to befriend dancers-this qualifies them for the cheap-ass time waster tag and sometimes the PL tag as well since they are often laboring under a completely false impression of what their presence ITC actually means to a dancer (read:Butt Pain). A WK can also be a guy who spends well but has become such a clueless RIL that he has decided the dancer can do no wrong in his eyes. These can also be the "let me take you away from all this" guys. They will start out by showing up and trying to buy out your shift. Next they will push for "platonic" OTC dates. The kiss of death here as far as the dancer money train goes is to say yes to the innocent OTC offer. As soon as you see the guy OTC he will start trying to make you his GF. When you refuse he will dump you as a regular and go look for the next girl that he wants to try and save. BTW, these guys are always married and will either lie to you about it or tell you that they are ready to leave their wives if you will quit dancing and spend eternity with them.

Last but by no means least are the nice guys who spend lots of money and don't cause any drama. Cheap greedy pricks who want $50 bj's in VIP will refer to these guys as WK's. The tag is completely wrong of course but that doesn't stop it from being tossed around.

Of course, nobody actually walks around strip clubs calling guys White Knights. That only happens on the internet.

KS_Stevia
02-28-2010, 02:23 PM
Of course, nobody actually walks around strip clubs calling guys White Knights. That only happens on the internet.

White Knight term is used and discussed in the dressing room by dancers..always accompanied by several ::) ::) ::)

At least, that's in my experience. They are high on the list of undesirables, but quite easy to manipulate, so strippers grin and bear it as long as the money keeps rolling. Then we go to the dressing room and make fun of their false pretense.

WK behavior is very disrespectful. Not as bad as $50 BJ guy, but still, they think they are so smart and we are so stupid and have no choice in life and are some kind of victims. When in fact, they are just trying to reconcile their own misogyny (yes I said it!) by creating the persona of a chivalrous prince. More ::)

yoda57us
02-28-2010, 02:32 PM
White Knight term is used and discussed in the dressing room by dancers..always accompanied by several ::) ::) ::)

Yes, absolutely. I should have been clearer that customers don't walk around clubs tossing the phrase around, at least not in my experience. I also don't hear PL or RIL coming from customers either...though, of course, I rarely talk to customers, it's such a waste of time.



WK behavior is very disrespectful. Not as bad as $50 BJ guy, but still, they think they are so smart and we are so stupid and have no choice in life and are some kind of victims. When in fact, they are just trying to reconcile their own misogyny (yes I said it!) by creating the persona of a chivalrous prince. More ::)

Yeah, there is nothing complimentary about the term. I totally agree about the misogyny angle as well. Can we throw in passive aggressive fucktard behavior as well?;)

KS_Stevia
02-28-2010, 02:33 PM
Oh yes, passive aggressive, that's the WORST!

Edit to Add: white knights are often enabled by "damsel in distress my electricity is about to be cut off and I can't feed my babies" type of stripper. Ugh, I hate that hustle, but its effective enough.

chris91
02-28-2010, 04:51 PM
:rotfl: OMG, I just spit diet sprite out my nose. ;D The dog is looking at me funny cause I can't stop laughing. hehe

Hehe, I'm glad somebody thought it was funny!

WestCoast101
02-28-2010, 05:14 PM
Its not complicated

The term "white knight" under its plain meaning usage in the english language has a specific meaning and is exactly as I defiined it. Neither Phil W nor Bem have anything to do with being white knights.

WestCoast101
02-28-2010, 05:41 PM
I don't know why my name is resurfacing, though I think you're actually defending me here, which is surprising. I disagree with almost nothing you wrote. I am neither a "white knight" nor a "cheap-ass-time-waster". I am where I am because that's how things played out, not because I planned it that way. Honestly though, I don't understand why you would take issue with my providing math help on request. Its not a form of currency. I don't exchange it for dancer contact. My friends get it for free. Anyone else would be charged for it. Its one of the things I do for a living.

The girls I am friendly with appreciate their customers, single or married, as customers. They disapprove personally of the married guys visiting the clubs behind their wives' backs, much like some of the girls who posted here. Maybe it makes them worry about what their SO might be up to, who knows? I'm only relaying what I've been told.

Bem, I can assure you I was simply trying to figure out what the hell 'thatguy" was talking about and how it related to the thread, and that is how the "math tutoring" issue came out, as an incidental issue in regards to indentifying parties he may have been referencing. It so happens that I was informed last month by other parties of your math background and the school you graduated from, and its one of the top schools in the country, so certainly I have no issue with you in regards to your math tutoring.

yoda57us
02-28-2010, 06:37 PM
Neither Phil W nor Bem have anything to do with being white knights.

Who said that they did?

WestCoast101
02-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Who said that they did?

The definition was correct, and you now it, but I will play your game of trivial pursuit..

Phil W was referrred to earlier, and Bem and you had an extensive side discussion with the "friends" issue once again coming up, this time in the context of maried customers., and obviously both Phil W and Bem have talked many many tmes all over this site about being RL friends with dancers.

If if wasn't at least in part triggered by by comments by Bem earlier then what the hell is the post even doing in the thread.? You already reinvented the term "white knights" to twist it t to make it what is was not to refute a very simple and provable premise that "thatguy" was muddling up things a bit. Yes, I'm well aware thatt some "white knights" are cheap asses and some seek RL friendships, but "thatguy" post didn't make sense in certain regards, and in fact someone else mentioned the same thing..

Also name me any other customers in here other than Bem who has referred to giving "math tutoring" lessons which is exactly what 'thatguy" alluded to.

WestCoast101
02-28-2010, 08:21 PM
"know" instead of "now"

yoda57us
02-28-2010, 09:16 PM
LMAO dude, you are more obsessed with BEM than he is with me...:O

Though I'm impressed with your apparent skills at mentally archiving everything that has ever been said by anyone on SW I just don't put that kind of exhaustive effort into my posts. If I have something to say to a particular poster I address that poster. On the other hand, if I am addressing a topic rather than a specific post or poster my comments are based on my experiences in the clubs and with dancers over the years. If the shoe happens to fit some folks who currently post on SW I can't help that but, believe it or not, I was going to strip clubs before there was an internet so my opinions generally tend to reflect that. It's all been said and done before...

Lastly, The Urban Dictionary has it's place WC but the fact is the term in question here, like may of the words and phrases in that particular reference guide, is interpreted in different ways by others. I don't particularly care if you agree with me or not on this but one thing that I can tell you for sure is that i don't "know" that anything is true simply because you tell me it is.

WestCoast101
02-28-2010, 09:27 PM
LMAO, the question was asked and answered

bem401
03-01-2010, 07:08 AM
LMAO dude, you are more obsessed with BEM than he is with me...:O

Me obsessed? You bring my name up out of the blue and I'm the obsessed one? I'm just sometimes amused/sometimes irritated by your constant attempts at dancer approval, whether it be by kissing ass relentlessly on this site or by spreading a moderate amount of money around in the clubs.

yoda57us
03-01-2010, 07:53 AM
Me obsessed? You bring my name up out of the blue and I'm the obsessed one?

Well, I didn't bring your name up, WC did...
I never bring your name up though I do respond when others do. I will willingly admit to getting into endless arguments with you here but I am not really interested in being the instigator of anything on Stripperweb. You are so good at it that I really don't have to be...


I'm just sometimes amused/sometimes irritated by your constant attempts at dancer approval, whether it be by kissing ass relentlessly on this site or by spreading a moderate amount of money around in the clubs.

Blah blah blah BEM. Honestly this is getting very old. I don't "attempt" to do anything. I may bust balls on the web a bit more than I do IRL but my opinions about clubs, dancers, men, women and life in general are the same whether I'm posting here or talking to people face to face. I'm honest, nothing more, nothing less.

It drives you nuts that strippers like me. We all get it...

bem401
03-01-2010, 08:20 AM
It drives you nuts that strippers like me. We all get it...

It doesn't drive me nuts at all that they like you. What drives you nuts is that I merely pointed out how you try to effectuate that.

yoda57us
03-01-2010, 08:36 AM
It doesn't drive me nuts at all that they like you. What drives you nuts is that I merely pointed out how you try to effectuate that.

BEM, dude, nothing about you drives me nuts. I don't get that worked up over guys on a chat board...

I don't have to "try" to effectuate anything. I love and respect women. It just comes naturally for me...

bem401
03-01-2010, 09:01 AM
I don't have to "try" to effectuate anything. I love and respect women. It just comes naturally for me...

WOW! Patronizing women as sex workers shows them respect? My friends who dance would likely disagree. They'll still sit with and dance for guys for money, but the last thing they feel is a sense of respect from the guy. Its one of the reasons we've pulled the plug on dances amongst ourselves.

KS_Stevia
03-01-2010, 09:32 AM
:yawn: I'm so bored by Bem.

KS_Stevia
03-01-2010, 09:57 AM
Never mind, I got something to say.

Misogyny must be in the mind of the "perpetrator". Just because a few sex workers one knows, out of thousands, do not like some (all?) of their customers does not make yoda an inherently misogynistic customer, or person.

First of all, far as you've told us Bem, your friends are strippers, not prostitutes. These are two different professions, despite the overlap. 2-3 strippers cannot speak for the entire universe of sex workers.

Second, yoda has a legitimate business proposition, a demand for which there is adequate supply of services. Just because a man wants female company without the courtship phase doesn't make him hate these women. As long as he is following the golden rule and treating them well, he is within the bounds of a mutually beneficial business relationship.

If yoda does not dislike women or see them as simply commodities for use, then he cannot be a misogynist. Just because a percentage of strippers assert that sex workers disrespect their clients, does not make it so. Your logic is fallacious.

yoda57us
03-01-2010, 10:51 AM
WOW! Patronizing women as sex workers shows them respect? My friends who dance would likely disagree. They'll still sit with and dance for guys for money, but the last thing they feel is a sense of respect from the guy. Its one of the reasons we've pulled the plug on dances amongst ourselves.

Bem, paying a woman to do her job is not disrespecting her. How you treat her as a human being is what matters. In a strip club respect is all about honoring boundaries, not wasting a lady's time and, if you are a customer, spending money on her. You keep trying to convince us all here that you are somehow a better person because you just talk to strippers and don't spend money on them. I just don't buy into that BS. You are the one on this board fostering the opinion that, because a woman is a sex worker, she is somehow not capable of being respected by others.

I would be the first one to tell you that many customers DON'T treat dancers with respect. I would assume that your friends are smart enough to recognize and appreciate a customer who does. If they haven't found any lately I guess that goes with the territory.

Hopper
03-02-2010, 03:34 AM
You are arguing over which of you is liked by strippers? Why do you care? They are just like other girls. It benefits you naught even if they do like you. I'm only interested in whether girls like me IRL. LOL When you are competing for the title of Stripper King, you've fallen pretty low. There's a life outside.

bem401
03-02-2010, 06:42 AM
Never mind, I got something to say.

Misogyny must be in the mind of the "perpetrator". Just because a few sex workers one knows, out of thousands, do not like some (all?) of their customers does not make yoda an inherently misogynistic customer, or person.

First of all, far as you've told us Bem, your friends are strippers, not prostitutes. These are two different professions, despite the overlap. 2-3 strippers cannot speak for the entire universe of sex workers.

Second, yoda has a legitimate business proposition, a demand for which there is adequate supply of services. Just because a man wants female company without the courtship phase doesn't make him hate these women. As long as he is following the golden rule and treating them well, he is within the bounds of a mutually beneficial business relationship.

If yoda does not dislike women or see them as simply commodities for use, then he cannot be a misogynist. Just because a percentage of strippers assert that sex workers disrespect their clients, does not make it so. Your logic is fallacious.

1. I never called him a misogynist.
2. I have had friends involved in more than just the stripping aspect of sex work.
3. I never said he hates them.
4. I never said he outstepped any boundaries.


My comment was that paying women to get naked and grind on you is hardly showing them respect. It's treating them as a commodity. Like you said, its a business proposition. In business, you hire people because they get the job done and you respect their ability to do that, nothing more. For a guy who patronizes strippers for years to characterize himself as one who loves and respects women is stretching it a bit. If you want to throw the married theme of this thread on top of that, go ahead.

I didn't criticize him personally, only what he said. AFAIK, his dancers like him just fine as a customer.

KS_Stevia
03-02-2010, 10:33 AM
Bem, you called him misogynist and disrespectful of sex workers several times in several threads. I'm not going to waste my time looking for you, my time is more valuable than that. I know what I've read and so does everyone here. Lay off the pipe, its affecting your short-term memory.

You're suck a fucking liar and a dunce.


paying women to get naked and grind on you is hardly showing them respect. It's treating them as a commodity.

Oh noes, the poor wimminz. Maybe lapdances and strip clubs should be illegal because people get treated like a commodity. Then where will you go to troll? ::)

They have chosen this line of work. They are being paid significantly higher than any other unskilled laborer for this service, risking ostracization by society...for the money. If you think its so disrespectful to get lapdances, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL PATRONIZING THE CLUBS? You, if anything, are the misogynist in fat sheep's clothing.

Lots of industries treat lots of people like commodities. Have you ever worked in customer service or technical support? I have, and I got treated a gazillion times worse by customers there than I ever have in the strip club.

No SC custy has threatened to kill me like they have when I worked in support.

People get treated like crap in the workplace all the time. Have your dancer "friends" ever worked in another industry? Don't bother answering, I'm sure they have. But while present in the SC, they are going to talk about the SC.

Why the hell they decided to enable you is beyond me though.

yoda57us
03-02-2010, 03:43 PM
You are arguing over which of you is liked by strippers? Why do you care? They are just like other girls.

Actually I don't care. For the record however we are arguing over why, not if. BEM insists on turning it inot a value judgment of both customers and dancers. I don't.


It benefits you naught even if they do like you.

Dude, it matters. My ROI is f'n incredible when I go to a club. Nice guys who spend money get treated better than dickheads who don't.


I'm only interested in whether girls like me IRL. LOL When you are competing for the title of Stripper King, you've fallen pretty low. There's a life outside.

No one is competing for anything Hopper. We are on a board about strip clubs and strippers talking about....wait for it....strip clubs and strippers!!

I am well aware of the life outside of a strip club. That's where I live all of mine accept for maybe two or three nights a month. The only one who has fallen pretty low here is you for taking such a weak and irrelevant shot.

If it makes you feel any better, I saw a naked woman on Saturday night. I wasn't in a strip club and it didn't cost me anything...::)

yoda57us
03-02-2010, 03:48 PM
AFAIK, his dancers like him just fine as a customer.

I haven't gotten any complaints...

bem401
03-03-2010, 08:06 AM
Bem, you called him misogynist and disrespectful of sex workers several times in several threads. I'm not going to waste my time looking for you, my time is more valuable than that. I know what I've read and so does everyone here. Lay off the pipe, its affecting your short-term memory.

You're suck a fucking liar and a dunce.

Never once called him or anyone else a misogynist. In fact, I think it was he who introduced the word into use here, though it may have been another thread.

Obviously, people can have different takes on what constitutes disrespect. My dancer friends and I have a different view than you apparently. They do not engage in lapdances outside the club for their RL friends like you claimed to do. In fact, I've been asked to conceal them from people they know when those people show up at the club.

My friends get money but no sense of respect when they get paid to get naked and grind on some guy's crotch while dealing with with where he might try putting his hands. Remember, where talking about RI clubs here. That's why they get paid what they do. I wouldn't call the ones who last for years unskilled either. Several of the girls I know ( and Yoda knows some of them too) are very skilled at what they do.

I'm a dunce? Any time you want to compare academic credentials, bring it on.



Oh noes, the poor wimminz. Maybe lapdances and strip clubs should be illegal because people get treated like a commodity. Then where will you go to troll? ::)

They have chosen this line of work. They are being paid significantly higher than any other unskilled laborer for this service, risking ostracization by society...for the money. If you think its so disrespectful to get lapdances, WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU STILL PATRONIZING THE CLUBS? You, if anything, are the misogynist in fat sheep's clothing.

Lots of industries treat lots of people like commodities. Have you ever worked in customer service or technical support? I have, and I got treated a gazillion times worse by customers there than I ever have in the strip club.

No SC custy has threatened to kill me like they have when I worked in support.

People get treated like crap in the workplace all the time. Have your dancer "friends" ever worked in another industry? Don't bother answering, I'm sure they have. But while present in the SC, they are going to talk about the SC.

Why the hell they decided to enable you is beyond me though.

Here you go again. Rambling wildly and making little sense. Your entire argument demonstrates why workers in any industry dislike the people or patrons they deal with, but then you attack me for pointing out this happens in SCs when you are essentially backing my statements up..

I never said any of these places should be outlawed. I stopped doing dances with people, primarily at their prompting, because it made us mutually uncomfortable, as I've said a hundred times. I was actually initially reluctant to do so for many of the reasons mentioned by people here.

I'd hardly be considered a troll or much of a patron at the one club I spend 3 or so hours a week in at the invitation of a few dancers who enjoy my being there if its slow as a diversion to their job. I quite often find myself stopping in because I've told someone I'd swing by, why is that so unacceptable to you?. Maybe next time I get asked, I'll tell them no because some arrogant ex-stripper on the internet disapproves.

As far as why they've befriended (not enabled) me, I'd say that's because I no longer act like a customer and treat them like a stripper and they're no longer expected to act like a stripper and treat me like a customer. At least that's what they tell me.

bem401
03-03-2010, 08:32 AM
You are arguing over which of you is liked by strippers? Why do you care? They are just like other girls. It benefits you naught even if they do like you. I'm only interested in whether girls like me IRL. LOL When you are competing for the title of Stripper King, you've fallen pretty low. There's a life outside.

He and I are doing no such thing. We just have a different take on things at this time. At one point, I think our POV's were fairly similar. Once the nature of my presence in the club changed, so did my POV on certain things.

As far as the idiotic Stripper King comment, I have no interest in that. I'm friendly with whom I'm friendly regardless of the fact they are strippers, not because they are strippers. They are friendly with me not because I pay them to be. If I was aspiring to be Stripper King, I'd do that by hitting the club with a stack of Benjamins like I was known to do years ago.

I only spend appreciable time in the club with girls who want me to be there. I spend actually zero time trying to make new acquaintances and essentially only visit another club when dragged there. I have no interest in spending any time with anyone who is only interested in how much they can make spending time with me.

yoda57us
03-03-2010, 10:01 AM
My friends get money but no sense of respect when they get paid to get naked and grind on some guy's crotch while dealing with with where he might try putting his hands.

Honestly BEM you are completely missing the point here. A dancer is not supposed to feel "respected" when she grinds a guy's crotch. What she should not feel however is disrespected by the customer. A strip club is a unique environment. Many customers don't even fully understand how a dancer makes money. That ignorance often creates a sense of disrespect from dancers towards guys who just don't get that they are at work, not hanging at a singles bar waiting for mr. right or killing time until he comes along.

Whether you or your dancer friends realize it or not, in the SC environment respecting a woman means not wasting her time if you don't intend to buy dances or tip her and respecting her boundaries if you do plan to. It means not treating her or speaking to her in a disrespectful manner. In other words, it means treating her the same way you would (or should) treat any woman at any time regardless of the environment. You are confusing respecting someone with liking someone. I know darn well that every woman I have ever bought a dance from didn't "like" me or like her job but I also know that I have never done anything to disrespect any of them.

If you somehow felt like you were disrespecting your "friends" when you used to be a customer or if they have made you feel like like they were disrespected by you based on what they tell you about their feelings toward customers that's your problem. Unlike you I don't feel the need to mention my platonic dancer or ex dancer friendships every single time I post here but there are many. If any of the dancers I am still close with honestly felt that I was disrespecting them when I was a customer do you honestly think we would still be friends?


Remember, where talking about RI clubs here. That's why they get paid what they do.

RI is not the only place in the world with high contact lap dances BEM. A big part of respecting a dancer is about respecting her boundaries, whether the boundary is not touching at all, asking before you grab her ass or remembering to bring a condom for your trip to the VIP room. Part of your problem here is that you insist on equating contact with respect, or lack of it. The two really have nothing to do with each other.

bem401
03-03-2010, 10:52 AM
Honestly BEM you are completely missing the point here. A dancer is not supposed to feel "respected" when she grinds a guy's crotch. What she should not feel however is disrespected by the customer. A strip club is a unique environment. Many customers don't even fully understand how a dancer makes money. That ignorance often creates a sense of disrespect from dancers towards guys who just don't get that they are at work, not hanging at a singles bar waiting for mr. right or killing time until he comes along.

Whether you or your dancer friends realize it or not, in the SC environment respecting a woman means not wasting her time if you don't intend to buy dances or tip her and respecting her boundaries if you do plan to. It means not treating her or speaking to her in a disrespectful manner. In other words, it means treating her the same way you would (or should) treat any woman at any time regardless of the environment. You are confusing respecting someone with liking someone. I know darn well that every woman I have ever bought a dance from didn't "like" me or like her job but I also know that I have never done anything to disrespect any of them.

You are doing a great job making the argument from the point of view of a regular customer who doesn't aim to disrespect the girls. I'm relaying to you not my opinion but that of several of the girls with whom I'm friendly. Neither you nor I get to determine what they find respectful or disrespectful. I understand the case you are making perfectly but it doesn't mean it is what the girls think, which is what this thread was initially about.


If you somehow felt like you were disrespecting your "friends" when you used to be a customer or if they have made you feel like like they were disrespected by you based on what they tell you about their feelings toward customers that's your problem. Unlike you I don't feel the need to mention my platonic dancer or ex dancer friendships every single time I post here but there are many. If any of the dancers I am still close with honestly felt that I was disrespecting them when I was a customer do you honestly think we would still be friends?

I am only passing on the information I was made privy to by people with whom I was or am friendly. I'll be sure to pass on to them that there is a SC regular who disagrees with them. That'll come as a big surprise.

BTW, you recently stated here you had exactly one former or current dancer you considered a friend. I haven't the time to find it now.



RI is not the only place in the world with high contact lap dances BEM. A big part of respecting a dancer is about respecting her boundaries, whether the boundary is not touching at all, asking before you grab her ass or remembering to bring a condom for your trip to the VIP room. Part of your problem here is that you insist on equating contact with respect, or lack of it. The two really have nothing to do with each other.

RI is my point of reference though. At this point in time, its actually one club in RI.

I'm only equating contact with respect because several of the girls with whom I'm friendly do exactly that.

As I said earlier, I see your point. Some of the comments Ive heard down hear just don't correspond with it.

BTW, on the topic of RI, not to threadjack, first AMP bust was last week.

yoda57us
03-03-2010, 11:26 AM
You are doing a great job making the argument from the point of view of a regular customer who doesn't aim to disrespect the girls. I'm relaying to you not my opinion but that of several of the girls with whom I'm friendly. Neither you nor I get to determine what they find respectful or disrespectful. I understand the case you are making perfectly but it doesn't mean it is what the girls think, which is what this thread was initially about.

No BEM, all you keep repeating over and over is what a few dancers that you are friendly with think. They do not speak for all dancers. I never claimed that I have control over what any woman thinks. I do however trust the words and actions of the women I know just as you say that trust the girls you know. If you are going to question what my friends, both dancer and ex dancer tell me then you need to question what yours tell you as well. I do neither, I just take it all at face value.



I am only passing on the information I was made privy to by people with whom I was or am friendly. I'll be sure to pass on to them that there is a SC regular who disagrees with them. That'll come as a big surprise.

Honesty, I could care less what you pass on. If your friends want to join SW I will be happy to debate with them directly. My hunch is that they have better things to do.
You keep trying to turn the phrase "SC regular" into a dirty word. You spend more time in clubs than I do BEM. Your opinions are not somehow impartial or more correct simply because a few dancers you call friends have decided that trying to get money out of you simply isn't worth the aggravation anymore.


BTW, you recently stated here you had exactly one former or current dancer you considered a friend. I haven't the time to find it now.

I'm sure you are full of shit BEM. Either that or ignoring context. Either way, go look for it if it means that much to you. I'm always up for a good pissing contest...


RI is my point of reference though. At this point in time, its actually one club in RI.
I'm only equating contact with respect because several of the girls with whom I'm friendly do exactly that.

Yes, and again, they are not the only strippers in the free world. By the way, have you ever had a thought of your own about any of this?


BTW, on the topic of RI, not to threadjack, first AMP bust was last week.

Well then you better stay out of em' BEM. Although, if you are just there to talk and not get a hand job I guess the cops would probably let you go...

KS_Stevia
03-03-2010, 03:58 PM
Obviously, people can have different takes on what constitutes disrespect. My dancer friends and I have a different view than you apparently. They do not engage in lapdances outside the club for their RL friends like you claimed to do. In fact, I've been asked to conceal them from people they know when those people show up at the club.


How do you know that? You've obviously never been to a really fun party where friends drink, dance, play cards, and maybe sometimes give each other playful lapdances. Its not THAT unusual or something you need to insult me about.

bem401
03-04-2010, 07:24 AM
Yoda, post 64 this thread is where you made the statement.

I'm not turning "SC regular" into a negative term at all. The fact is, you are a SC regular who disagress with some of the things I've been told by dancers. For the record, I don't agree with everything they say or do either.

Finally, never been to an AMP, just passing along info. Of course, you can't resist the temptation to sling mud at me.

bem401
03-04-2010, 07:29 AM
How do you know that? You've obviously never been to a really fun party where friends drink, dance, play cards, and maybe sometimes give each other playful lapdances. Its not THAT unusual or something you need to insult me about.

I've been to more parties than I can remember where people drank, danced, played cards, smoked weed, snorted coke, etc, etc, etc. Not a single one of them included lapdances done by my dancer friends, non-dancer friends, or people I didn't even know.

I also see no insult in what I wrote.

Jessie_tinydancer
03-04-2010, 08:48 AM
I've been to more parties than I can remember where people drank, danced, played cards, smoked weed, snorted coke, etc, etc, etc. Not a single one of them included lapdances done by my dancer friends, non-dancer friends, or people I didn't even know.

I also see no insult in what I wrote.

I don't know what you kids are arguing about and too tired to read it all, but I have been to and hosted many a party where people drank, snorted, lap danced, played dress ups and laughed. Its pretty much what I did every weekend for 2 years. Invite my friends over, get them drunk, try on my fantasy costumes, dance around and on each other, maybe make out, maybe even get it on, talk shit and go to bed. I gave my best friends boyfriend a lap dance the first night I met him in my apartment for fun. /:O

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 09:23 AM
BEM, try and understand something. In spite of the fact that you seem to relish reminding me here on SW that we are acquainted with a few of the same dancers the last thing I am concerned about or interested in are the useless tidbits you post here about what they may think of me in particular or customers in general. Only one of these women is someone I consider a friend and I have known her long enough that we have talked about just about any topic you could imagine including this one. The rest of the lot are women I either don't see much anymore, barely know or have never even met other than a brief hello and a "no thank you" ITC.


BEM, as usual your myopic view of the world has effected your reading comprehension. That paragraph is clearly a reference to dancers that both you and I are acquainted with, not every dancer I have ever known over the last 25 years. This is blatantly obvious based solely on the one post but if you look at context and your history it's even more obvious.

You insist on prattling on and on about your small circle of dancer friends. You pontificate on the world of strip clubs and dancers and judge people based entirely on the ramblings of a few women who only sit with you because they are bored at work. You continually point out, ad nauseam, that I happen to know a few of them, the relevance of this is something I fail to comprehend. News flash BEM. There is a great big strip club world out there beyond the bar at Club Fantasies! Some dancers, in fact most of the ones I've known, go to work, do their job and appreciate good customers. You may be too blind to see it but you are judging the women who dance just as harshly as you judge the guys who spend money on them.

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 09:29 AM
Finally, never been to an AMP, just passing along info. Of course, you can't resist the temptation to sling mud at me.

BEM, the fact that you posted any information about AMPS at all is a very thinly veiled passive aggressive shot at me and the fact that I pay for sex. You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. Please, don't piss on my foot and try to tell me it's raining...

KS_Stevia
03-04-2010, 11:34 AM
I've been to more parties than I can remember where people drank, danced, played cards, smoked weed, snorted coke, etc, etc, etc. Not a single one of them included lapdances done by my dancer friends, non-dancer friends, or people I didn't even know.

I also see no insult in what I wrote.

You realize that lapdances can be clothed, without high contact, and done playfully for a few minutes at a time, by drunken friends having a laugh? They aren't necessarily these sordid affairs that must be hidden away in a dark booth.

Besides, I'm taking about something that happens for a minute or so...sometimes my girl friends and I have gotten drunk and given each other silly "fun" lapdances. Are you getting what I'm saying?

Why are you trying to make this an insult? There is no shame in being fucking sexy.

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 01:10 PM
Why are you trying to make this an insult? There is no shame in being fucking sexy.

Amen! :great: :highfive:

bem401
03-04-2010, 02:48 PM
BEM, as usual your myopic view of the world has effected your reading comprehension. That paragraph is clearly a reference to dancers that both you and I are acquainted with, not every dancer I have ever known over the last 25 years. This is blatantly obvious based solely on the one post but if you look at context and your history it's even more obvious.

My original quote had nothing to do with whether or not we know some of the same dancers. I even included a disclaimer to the fact that it had anything to do with you, but you think its all about you. That affects your reading comprehension.


Some dancers, in fact most of the ones I've known, go to work, do their job and appreciate good customers.

I actually said this already in the thread (about you) and in post 151, yet you present it to me as a news flash. In case it slipped your mind, I said you were liked just fine as a customer.

bem401
03-04-2010, 02:52 PM
You realize that lapdances can be clothed, without high contact, and done playfully for a few minutes at a time, by drunken friends having a laugh? They aren't necessarily these sordid affairs that must be hidden away in a dark booth.

Besides, I'm taking about something that happens for a minute or so...sometimes my girl friends and I have gotten drunk and given each other silly "fun" lapdances. Are you getting what I'm saying?

Why are you trying to make this an insult? There is no shame in being fucking sexy.

How am I making anything an insult? I merely said I've not been witness to lapdances (sordid or silly) among RL friends like you say you have.

mediocrity
03-04-2010, 02:53 PM
What the hell are you guys even arguing about anymore?

bem401
03-04-2010, 02:59 PM
BEM, the fact that you posted any information about AMPS at all is a very thinly veiled passive aggressive shot at me and the fact that I pay for sex. You are not nearly as clever as you think you are. Please, don't piss on my foot and try to tell me it's raining...

How dim are you? It was the mentioning of RI that caused me to bring up a topic from an earlier thread that had nothing to do with whether or not you patronized those places. To be honest, I had no idea you did till this post. Given your battles with someone on another board, I actually assumed you didn't visit them.

My post was actually a concession to your point that the AMPs were the places really at risk in RI given the changes down here. Geez!

bem401
03-04-2010, 03:10 PM
What the hell are you guys even arguing about anymore?

I suggested back in post 98 we end it but no one took me up on it. I'll say it again, "Let's quit".

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 05:33 PM
What the hell are you guys even arguing about anymore?

Mostly Bem's superiority complex....though I freely admit that he is a better speller than I am...;)

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 05:40 PM
How dim are you? It was the mentioning of RI that caused me to bring up a topic from an earlier thread that had nothing to do with whether or not you patronized those places. To be honest, I had no idea you did till this post. Given your battles with someone on another board, I actually assumed you didn't visit them.


Actually I don't visit them BEM. Where are you reading anything that says I have ever gone to an AMP in any of my posts? Again, you are reading and posting with tunnel vision and making assumptions based on a narrow train of thought.

Paying for sex doesn't mean going to AMPS, paying for lap dances doesn't make you disrespectful to women (by the way, paying them for sex doesn't either).

You are very good at adopting the "who me?" approach when it suits your need. I don't buy it.

yoda57us
03-04-2010, 06:28 PM
How dim are you?

Not dim at all BEM. You may be a far better speller than I am but I see things that you will never see. It's your loss.

bem401
03-05-2010, 07:49 AM
Actually I don't visit them BEM. Where are you reading anything that says I have ever gone to an AMP in any of my posts? Again, you are reading and posting with tunnel vision and making assumptions based on a narrow train of thought.

Paying for sex doesn't mean going to AMPS, paying for lap dances doesn't make you disrespectful to women (by the way, paying them for sex doesn't either).

You are very good at adopting the "who me?" approach when it suits your need. I don't buy it.

Why else would you be offended by the comment and think it was a dig at you (which by the way, it wasn't)?

bem401
03-05-2010, 07:51 AM
Not dim at all BEM. You may be a far better speller than I am but I see things that you will never see. It's your loss.

Well, not seeing the genatalia of those I consider friends or seeing them naked on my lap don't feel like losses to me.

And it wasn't a spelling error at all. You were using the wrong correctly-spelled word.

KS_Stevia
03-05-2010, 10:59 AM
Well, not seeing the genatalia of those I consider friends or seeing them naked on my lap don't feel like losses to me.

And it wasn't a spelling error at all. You were using the wrong correctly-spelled word.

What about women in general? So, 2 strippers are your friends. What about the other strippers you see for free at the club? Or the women you pay for sexual services? Because they are not your "friends" they are not worthy of respect?

Do you understand the point we are making at all? Fine, if you are friends with a couple of strippers and don't want a custy relationship with them, that's fine. NO ONE CARES! There are lots of other stripper and customers in the world.