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yoda57us
03-05-2010, 07:34 PM
Why else would you be offended by the comment and think it was a dig at you (which by the way, it wasn't)?
Who said I was offended? I pay for sex. I talk about it often. I don't go to AMPS though I did try a few in California years ago. AMPS are risky and most of the time the women are exhausted, or just plain bored.
Well, not seeing the genatalia of those I consider friends or seeing them naked on my lap don't feel like losses to me.
Too bad, you are missing out...
And it wasn't a spelling error at all. You were using the wrong correctly-spelled word.
Honestly BEM who the fuck cares...We are here to express opinions.
Hopper
03-06-2010, 06:15 AM
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Dude, it matters. My ROI is f'n incredible when I go to a club. Nice guys who spend money get treated better than dickheads who don't.
Being treated better than a dickhead still just makes me a customer. They don't necessarily like me, they just don't hate me. You must spend a lot.
No one is competing for anything Hopper. We are on a board about strip clubs and strippers talking about....wait for it....strip clubs and strippers!!
I am well aware of the life outside of a strip club. That's where I live all of mine accept for maybe two or three nights a month. The only one who has fallen pretty low here is you for taking such a weak and irrelevant shot.
If it makes you feel any better, I saw a naked woman on Saturday night. I wasn't in a strip club and it didn't cost me anything...::)
I didn't mean to imply that you actually do spend your whole life in SCs. I just meant that they are not a pursuit in their own right. I'm glad you don't.
Hopper
03-06-2010, 06:24 AM
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I only spend appreciable time in the club with girls who want me to be there. I spend actually zero time trying to make new acquaintances and essentially only visit another club when dragged there. I have no interest in spending any time with anyone who is only interested in how much they can make spending time with me.
What's the point in going to an SC just to see friends who work there? If they really just wanted to see you because you are friends, they would meet you somewhere else like friends normally do. If they don't want to give you LDs, then neither should they wish you to be in the room while they strip on stage.
I just don't see any sense in going to SCs if you are not going to watch stage shows or pay for LDs. They are places of business and their service is naked girls, and you don't want either.
yoda57us
03-06-2010, 07:04 AM
Being treated better than a dickhead still just makes me a customer. They don't necessarily like me, they just don't hate me. You must spend a lot.
LOL, the point is I DON'T spend a lot. At least not compared to some guys. That's what ROI is all about. Don't get me wrong, I'm not cheap ($200 to $300 per visit) but I'm not the guy that's going to do a couple of one hour VIP's with a girl on every visit hoping that she will see me OTC eventually if I spend enough money. I don't try to monopolize a girl's time, I take what she is willing to give and I don't whine like a spoiled brat when she sees another customer and a chance to go make some more money. On a slow day, if I stick around she will always come back over when she's not busy and when we finally go to the PD area neither one of us is counting dances. It's relaxing and fun.
Now, are they my "friends"? Honestly I could care less. The word "friend" inside a strip club is ambiguous at best. If they enjoy talking to me between our dance sessions, feel that they can trust me or respect my opinion that's a good thing. If they are being friendly toward me and showing me a good time that's all that matters ITC. If a dancer refers to me as a friend ITC it is appreciated but I don't read too much into it.
The fact of the matter is the word friend has a has a lot of different meanings IRL whether we are talking about dancers and customers or civvies. If I refer to a dancer as a friend I am talking about a woman that I am also enjoying unpaid time with outside of the club. If I'm sitting in a dancer's living room on a Saturday afternoon watching a movie and helping her kid with her homework we are friends. As we all know, good and true friends are very hard to find. I don't use the word lightly outside of the club environment.
bem401
03-06-2010, 11:28 AM
What about women in general? So, 2 strippers are your friends. What about the other strippers you see for free at the club? Or the women you pay for sexual services? Because they are not your "friends" they are not worthy of respect?
Do you understand the point we are making at all? Fine, if you are friends with a couple of strippers and don't want a custy relationship with them, that's fine. NO ONE CARES! There are lots of other stripper and customers in the world.
I'm friends with a lot more than just a couple, At present, at least a half dozen to ten at the club I visit. I can think of only one who would even consider dancing for me and that's because we seldom see other. The rest are all girls who've been for years at a club I've been visiting for years and our interaction has spread to things unrelated to dancing. Is that really so hard for people to understand?
I pay damn near zero attention to the stage shows at the club nor do I purchase sexual services elsewhere. I will occasionally visit acquaintances at the stage who are being ignored to make the set less awkward for them but they do no more than just sit with me on those occasions. I'm not showing anyone any disrespect. In fact, there are several girls who recognize and acknowledge me whenever they pass who I've never patronized at all. If they thought my presence was disrespectful to them, they'd do no such thing.
As far as the point you're making, I actually don't get it. I've been made a target and feel obliged to defend myself for being in a position that developed on its own. I never aimed for it nor would I advise others to do so.
sxcbbw
03-06-2010, 11:38 AM
I think this thread has only devolved so much and gone on so long because you don't get the very simple point some people are trying to make.
If they're your friends, you don't want to see them naked, they don't want to be strippers for you, you don't watch the stage or get LDs - why do you go to the club?
bem401
03-06-2010, 11:50 AM
What's the point in going to an SC just to see friends who work there? If they really just wanted to see you because you are friends, they would meet you somewhere else like friends normally do. If they don't want to give you LDs, then neither should they wish you to be in the room while they strip on stage.
I just don't see any sense in going to SCs if you are not going to watch stage shows or pay for LDs. They are places of business and their service is naked girls, and you don't want either.
Hopper (and sxcbbw), I stop in an average of 3 or 4 hours a week when I pass by this one club that's maybe 2 miles from my house when I have time to kill. I am friendly with many of the dancers, bouncers, and bartenders there. Nearly all of the ones I'm friendly with are people I've interacted with away from the club and (for the dancers at least) nothing makes me happier than seeing them too busy to do any more than wave to me. Most of the girls keep me informed as to when they'll be there despite having no financial incentive to do so. I'm just there to kill time, possibly with friends who have spare time. Its really no longer a strip club to me nor do I any longer visit clubs where I know no one.
bem401
03-06-2010, 11:55 AM
Who said I was offended? I pay for sex. I talk about it often. I don't go to AMPS though I did try a few in California years ago. AMPS are risky and most of the time the women are exhausted, or just plain bored.
I didn't bring up the AMP's for any reason other than to touch base on a topic previously discussed because there was recently an article in the paper about it. You claimed it was a dig at you. It wasn't. If anything, it was an acknowledgement of your position on the topic 3 or so months ago thats proving to be correct.
KS_Stevia
03-06-2010, 03:21 PM
I don't believe you Bem. You keep shifting numbers around. I thought you were good at math? So, you have 10 good, true stripper friends? You speak to and visit all of these girls outside the club? Do they invite you to parties? To dinner? Do they invite you to places to do stuff that doesn't involve something they need to get out of you?
Helping them with math homework and fixing their broken shit just means they are getting something from you.
You're so full of shit. You make yourself a target.
sexy_adriana
03-06-2010, 07:14 PM
I once had a custy who started getting creepy and acting like he was my friend so I used it to my advantage a claimed I could not dance for him any more because we were such good friends.
Bem must be the creepy guy who all the dancers refuse to dance for!
Hopper
03-06-2010, 08:06 PM
Hopper (and sxcbbw), I stop in an average of 3 or 4 hours a week when I pass by this one club that's maybe 2 miles from my house when I have time to kill. I am friendly with many of the dancers, bouncers, and bartenders there. Nearly all of the ones I'm friendly with are people I've interacted with away from the club and (for the dancers at least) nothing makes me happier than seeing them too busy to do any more than wave to me. Most of the girls keep me informed as to when they'll be there despite having no financial incentive to do so. I'm just there to kill time, possibly with friends who have spare time. Its really no longer a strip club to me nor do I any longer visit clubs where I know no one.
I don't actually see a problem with a guy hanging out at a SC a few hours a week just to see people he knows who work there, even if he isn't friends with any of them IRL and only ever sees them at the club. (I just hope you at least buy drinks.) If you are not there during busy times then I guess you are not wasting seating space and if the strippers know you don't do LDs you are not wasting their time. Phil W also hangs out in a similar manner, the only difference being that he provides the strippers a taxi service.
Do you actually watch the stage shows and if so do you tip?
bem401
03-07-2010, 12:24 PM
I don't believe you Bem. You keep shifting numbers around. I thought you were good at math? So, you have 10 good, true stripper friends? You speak to and visit all of these girls outside the club? Do they invite you to parties? To dinner? Do they invite you to places to do stuff that doesn't involve something they need to get out of you?
Helping them with math homework and fixing their broken shit just means they are getting something from you.
You're so full of shit. You make yourself a target.
1. I never said all 10 were good true friends. About half of them would be and they're not all on at the same time. The rest would be their friends or girls I have a connection of lesser magnitude to away from the club. They are all girls not interested in trying to engage me as a customer .
2. I have involvement away from the club with some of them fairly regularly, others infrequently, others once or not at all. It all depends on a lot of factors. It includes all the types of interaction you mentioned. none of which have anything to do with their business. Its no different than my involvement with people not affiliated with the club. Is it really that hard to comprehend? It's just that I'm not seen as a customer by any of them even when I'm in the club. In fact, an acquaintance of your dining partner wants me to help her improve her golf game. She told me she's comfortable doing this because she doesn't see me as a customer. This girl has known me for several years though we've never been dancer/customer. Should I tell her to get the instruction elsewhere in case I might decide to get a dance from her someday?
3. As far as the math and fixing shit comment is concerned, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. My friends get free help from me. Anyone else would have to hire me. And the only broken shit I'm capable of fixing is a bad golf swing. The same rules apply there.
bem401
03-07-2010, 12:46 PM
I don't actually see a problem with a guy hanging out at a SC a few hours a week just to see people he knows who work there, even if he isn't friends with any of them IRL and only ever sees them at the club. (I just hope you at least buy drinks.) If you are not there during busy times then I guess you are not wasting seating space and if the strippers know you don't do LDs you are not wasting their time. Phil W also hangs out in a similar manner, the only difference being that he provides the strippers a taxi service.
Do you actually watch the stage shows and if so do you tip?
Hopper, I'm always willing to buy drinks when I go. The first girl I'm friendly with that comes by is always offered a drink. The offer is sometimes declined depending on what kind of shift she's having and whether any regulars are expected. Nonetheless, the offer is always there. I visit when I have an hour or so to kill, regardless of whether its expected to be busy or not. I live 5 minutes away. The club is huge. I do not interfere with anyone's earning potential. I have no problem with them leaving me mid-sentence if they smell money.
I pay little or no attention to the stage show, often sitting with my back to the stage. If I notice one of my friends being eyed but not paid by the guys watching the stage, I visit the stage, enabling the girl to just sit with me and not provide free glimpses to the losers who do that. And yes, I tip her while we sit there.
yoda57us
03-07-2010, 01:43 PM
I pay little or no attention to the stage show, often sitting with my back to the stage. If I notice one of my friends being eyed but not paid by the guys watching the stage, I visit the stage, enabling the girl to just sit with me and not provide free glimpses to the losers who do that. And yes, I tip her while we sit there.
And they say chivalry is dead....::)
mediocrity
03-07-2010, 02:06 PM
Hopper, I'm always willing to buy drinks when I go. The first girl I'm friendly with that comes by is always offered a drink. The offer is sometimes declined depending on what kind of shift she's having and whether any regulars are expected. Nonetheless, the offer is always there. I visit when I have an hour or so to kill, regardless of whether its expected to be busy or not. I live 5 minutes away. The club is huge. I do not interfere with anyone's earning potential. I have no problem with them leaving me mid-sentence if they smell money.
I pay little or no attention to the stage show, often sitting with my back to the stage. If I notice one of my friends being eyed but not paid by the guys watching the stage, I visit the stage, enabling the girl to just sit with me and not provide free glimpses to the losers who do that. And yes, I tip her while we sit there.
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Alexxxxx
03-08-2010, 06:13 PM
Just more money to us, but if I was your wife I'd bolt!
chris91
03-09-2010, 03:14 AM
They are all girls not interested in trying to engage me as a customer .
I think it's more likely that they don't bother to engage you as a customer because guys who claim to have ten stripper "friends" are typically a waste of time. Either you are delusional, or you are using the term "friend" very loosely.
Most dancers are not going to yell at you in the club and tell you to get your cheap ass out of there. They will smile and tolerate you, especially if you buy the occasional drink, but that doesn't make you friends. It makes you furniture.
The weirdest part of all this, and the thing that makes it so unbelievable, is that you're on stripperweb where you constantly talk about your stripper "friends". It's like going to Pearl Jam forum and making 100 posts about how you're "friends with the band". Nobody is gonna believe that shit, because that's what groupies do.
yoda57us
03-09-2010, 05:47 AM
Most dancers are not going to yell at you in the club and tell you to get your cheap ass out of there. They will smile and tolerate you, especially if you buy the occasional drink, but that doesn't make you friends. It makes you furniture.
:rotfl:
bem401
03-09-2010, 06:48 AM
I think it's more likely that they don't bother to engage you as a customer because guys who claim to have ten stripper "friends" are typically a waste of time. Either you are delusional, or you are using the term "friend" very loosely.
Most dancers are not going to yell at you in the club and tell you to get your cheap ass out of there. They will smile and tolerate you, especially if you buy the occasional drink, but that doesn't make you friends. It makes you furniture.
The weirdest part of all this, and the thing that makes it so unbelievable, is that you're on stripperweb where you constantly talk about your stripper "friends". It's like going to Pearl Jam forum and making 100 posts about how you're "friends with the band". Nobody is gonna believe that shit, because that's what groupies do.
Think what you will. They know who I am, know whom I'm friends with and know who I'd actually be interested in doing dances with were I so inclined, and act accordingly. I move in the same circles as some of them outside the club, so the dancer/customer thing just doesn't work.
yoda57us
03-09-2010, 07:20 AM
I move in the same circles as some of them outside the club, so the dancer/customer thing just doesn't work.
I'm laughing so hard right now that I just may explode....
bem401
03-09-2010, 09:57 AM
I'm laughing so hard right now that I just may explode....
It just shows how incapable you are of being anything other than an ass-kisser or ATM. I'd much rather be considered a friend or furniture than either of the things you are.
yoda57us
03-09-2010, 10:24 AM
It just shows how incapable you are of being anything other than an ass-kisser or ATM. I'd much rather be considered a friend or furniture than either of the things you are.
LMAO BEM, how do you manage to find the front door to the club with that tunnel vision of yours? The topic here is strippers and strip clubs BEM. I go to a club as a customer. Even when I go to visit a friend I go as a customer. To do otherwise disrespects her. I know you can't wrap your head around that concept but none of the dancers I spend money on and see OTC seem to have a problem with it. Outside of the club you have no idea of what I am capable of. You also haven't the slightest inkling of what I am considered to be or by whom. As I have said before, there is a big world outside of your club and your friends...
Thanks for the laughs though...
dlabtot
03-09-2010, 11:55 AM
I'm amazed that you two are still at it....
yoda57us
03-09-2010, 12:10 PM
I'm amazed that you two are still at it....
Dude, it's the internet. Petty bickering about trivialities should not amaze you...
BiggCaZ
03-09-2010, 02:32 PM
Strippers don't care about your personal life. When I was dancing, I would approach you as quickly as any other customer. If you told me that your wife would disapprove of you buying dances as a form of rejection, it wouldn't deter me from persisting with a sale I thought I could make.
I'd happily take your money and hope your wife doesn't find out about your habit because that would be a nice reliable stream of income for me.
The girls here are looking at this from your wife's perspective. As a stripper, it doesn't matter to me what you do with your money, you're a grown-up and can spend your cash however you want. It isn't my place to say "Oh, I won't dance for you because your wife disapproves."
It is up to you to change your bad habits.
Truth be told. You're a grown man, and you know what you're there for. If your doctor tells you that you need to stop eating fastfood because your heart will explode, and you keep going, well hey. Enjoy the last few weeks if life you have.
Shit ain't cool, but its no one's problem but yours. This is a business and if there's money to be made, its going to get made.
bem401
03-10-2010, 06:39 AM
none of the dancers I spend money on and see OTC seem to have a problem with it.
Of course not, you're paying them to spend time with you and give you that impression. You've said it yourself, its all about illusions in a SC. Why else would you have been floored by your favorite dancer calling you in once on a day you were short of cash?
Outside of the club you have no idea of what I am capable of. You also haven't the slightest inkling of what I am considered to be or by whom.
What is this? A threat? You know the club I can be found in. C'mon down.
I only know what I've heard, read, and seen of you. My comments are a reflection of all that.
yoda57us
03-10-2010, 04:13 PM
Of course not, you're paying them to spend time with you and give you that impression. You've said it yourself, its all about illusions in a SC. Why else would you have been floored by your favorite dancer calling you in once on a day you were short of cash?
For the record, she didn't "call me in". We had lunch together the day before and she asked me to come in for the club's holiday party. I was not "floored" due to any sense of shock that she was crossing some sort of stripper/customer boundary. We have been friends for years and our OTC encounters do not include cash so I was merely flattered. Remember BEM, I have no problem paying a girl to dance for me ITC and being her friend OTC. Just for the record, we had dinner last night and I asked her if she feels disrespected when I go to see her at work and pay her for dances. I think she is still laughing...
What is this? A threat? You know the club I can be found in. C'mon down.
It was not a threat BEM, I was responding to your post implying that you think you know what I am like as a person based on what you read on this board. Why on earth would I threaten you? You are a guy on the internet and your opinions entertain me. I could care less about your sorry ass in real life. Besides, you seem to have a knack for getting banned form clubs. I never have and wouldn't start the trend by coming in to one looking for trouble.
I only know what I've heard, read, and seen of you. My comments are a reflection of all that.
Lol, so you know nothing... You can think whatever you want based on my postings on the internet but it's clear BEM that you are the one here who can't seem to separate fact from fiction. You are trying to attack my character by accusing me on a strip club board of liking dancers and spending money on them. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? You don't know me at all and no one in your little strip club universe knows me as any more than a paying customer. That doesn't qualify you to judge me. Your comments are a desperate attempt to deflect some of the crap being dumped on you here.
You are so desperate to find some way to criticize me that you are letting your tunnel vision cloud your logic. I pay for sex but that doesn't mean I pay dancers to see me OTC. I see both dancers and an escort or two off the clock all the time for encounters that have nothing to do with their chosen professions.
bem401
03-11-2010, 08:00 AM
For the record, she didn't "call me in". We had lunch together the day before and she asked me to come in for the club's holiday party. I was not "floored" due to any sense of shock that she was crossing some sort of stripper/customer boundary. We have been friends for years and our OTC encounters do not include cash so I was merely flattered. Remember BEM, I have no problem paying a girl to dance for me ITC and being her friend OTC. Just for the record, we had dinner last night and I asked her if she feels disrespected when I go to see her at work and pay her for dances. I think she is still laughing...
Flattered, floored, what's the difference? You said it was the most awesome thing a dancer had ever done for you or some such thing.
OTC encounters? Based on your definition of the term, that means something specific. Or are you now applying my defintion of OTC?
By the way, I was tutoring an ex-dancer's son last night when our Chinese friend texted me in an effort to "call me in". I had no problem with that. She wasn't dialing for dollars either. She enjoys my company as a friend, not a customer, when customers are in short supply. Yet, for some reason, you and some of the people here frown upon that.
As far as your ATF's response to the question, c'mon, what smart dancer is going to tell a regular she feels his patronage disrespects her, thereby jeopardizing her earnings? (Mind you, I'm not saying I think she felt that way either) And the girl in question was undoubtedly the smartest dancer I've ever met. Do you really think there's any chance a good salesperson would tell you buying their product had a down side? Aren't you in sales yourself? No dancer I was patronizing at the time has ever verbally told me she felt that way, but the actions of several I'm now friendly with have given me pause. Her reaction in front of you was no different than when a dancer tells a customer how wonderful it is to dance for him. Aren't you savvy enough to see the parallels?
It was not a threat BEM, I was responding to your post implying that you think you know what I am like as a person based on what you read on this board. Why on earth would I threaten you? You are a guy on the internet and your opinions entertain me. I could care less about your sorry ass in real life. Besides, you seem to have a knack for getting banned form clubs. I never have and wouldn't start the trend by coming in to one looking for trouble.
Well, it sounded like a threat to me. I just wanted to make myself available. BTW, I can fix the banning with a phone call, so don't let that be a factor.
Lol, so you know nothing... You can think whatever you want based on my postings on the internet but it's clear BEM that you are the one here who can't seem to separate fact from fiction. You are trying to attack my character by accusing me on a strip club board of liking dancers and spending money on them. Do you have any idea how ridiculous that is? You don't know me at all and no one in your little strip club universe knows me as any more than a paying customer. That doesn't qualify you to judge me. Your comments are a desperate attempt to deflect some of the crap being dumped on you here.
"Separating fact from fiction" being an issue actually disappears once you take money out of the picture. None of the people I interact with have any motivation to present some sort of fantasy world to me like the dancers I patronized did a few years back. I've never attacked your character. My impression is you are a typical decent SC regular who revels in being one. I once was the same but it lasted only months for me, not decades.
You are so desperate to find some way to criticize me that you are letting your tunnel vision cloud your logic. I pay for sex but that doesn't mean I pay dancers to see me OTC. I see both dancers and an escort or two off the clock all the time for encounters that have nothing to do with their chosen professions.
Again with the OTC ambiguities!! Now you've introduced "off the clock". And if you're using my defintion, doesn't seeing them "off the clock" or "outside the club" constitute moving in some of the same circles as dancers like I said I did, something you tried to lampoon me for?
KS_Stevia
03-11-2010, 12:15 PM
Well, it sounded like a threat to me. I just wanted to make myself available. BTW, I can fix the banning with a phone call, so don't let that be a factor.
Just the simple fact that you are actually BANNED from a titty bar exacerbates your pathetic factor exponentially. Who the hell gets banned from strip clubs?
1. Stalkers
2. Cheapskates that rip off dancers
3. Losers who get into fights
4. Creeps who continually proposition dancers for prostitution
5. Sloppy drunks who are constantly passing out on the main floor of the club
I've NEVER known any club in existence to ban a person for any reason other than the above.
Please share, my friend, how did you get managed to get BANNED from a strip club?
KS_Stevia
03-11-2010, 12:21 PM
Again with the OTC ambiguities!! Now you've introduced "off the clock". And if you're using my defintion, doesn't seeing them "off the clock" or "outside the club" constitute moving in some of the same circles as dancers like I said I did, something you tried to lampoon me for?
No, you see, yoda has friends who may be dancers, escorts, former dancers, etc. Sometimes he invites them out for lunch, for example. Or they invite him to lunch.
He doesn't just go to the club to talk to them. They don't text him asking him to come to the club because they are bored. They just have friendly, off the clock time, maybe with some food and drinks.
Then, maybe the next day, he patronizes them as a client, and its business.
How do you not understand that people who do business together....CAN ALSO BE FRIENDS??????
Its quite an elementary concept.
So..you answer..."friends don't look at friend's genitals or have sex with each other"
Well in fact sir, for us non-puritans, we certainly do. And we don't feel a single bit of guilty over it. However, when a troglydyte like yourself attacks our character because of choices we make, we become defensive. Should I, or yoda, care what you think? Not really. But you continue to passive-aggressively attack, and that warrants rebuttal.
Well, really, it doesn't warrant rebuttal. I don't envy your life a single bit. Not being able to keep a job in a field that is probably #1 in demand in this country...that's really sad.
yoda57us
03-11-2010, 07:12 PM
Again with the OTC ambiguities!! Now you've introduced "off the clock". And if you're using my defintion, doesn't seeing them "off the clock" or "outside the club" constitute moving in some of the same circles as dancers like I said I did, something you tried to lampoon me for?
BEM, life is full of ambiguity. You are the one who insists on categorizing relationships, not me. You are the one who insists on drawing a line that separates guys who spend money from guys who don't, not me. You are the one who tries to pigeonhole people with every word that they post here, not me. You can't type five words on this site without mentioning your "dancer friends". I choose not to do that. That doesn't mean I don't have any, I just choose not to ramble on about it when, most of the time, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
To imply that a middle aged guy who hangs around in strip clubs "travels in the same circles" as a beautiful women who is ten or fifteen years younger than he is simply ridiculous BEM. I have some female friends who happen to be current or former sex workers. Those relationships are very special to me and also very private. I don't use your definition of anything. I don't look at women, strippers or life the same way that you do...and I thank God for that everytime I finish reading one of your posts...just as soon as I'm done laughing...
yoda57us
03-11-2010, 07:25 PM
As far as your ATF's response to the question, c'mon, what smart dancer is going to tell a regular she feels his patronage disrespects her, thereby jeopardizing her earnings? (Mind you, I'm not saying I think she felt that way either) And the girl in question was undoubtedly the smartest dancer I've ever met. Do you really think there's any chance a good salesperson would tell you buying their product had a down side? Aren't you in sales yourself?
As far as I know BEM, you've never met my ATF. I do find it fascinating and amusing however that you feel qualified to judge a total stranger's intent during a private conversation with another total stranger. Oh, I'm sure your dancer friends have all told you about how all of this "getting guys to spend money on you" stuff works but I was there BEM, you were not. And no, I am not in sales.
As is often the case, you seem to think you know more than you actually do...
Hopper
03-12-2010, 01:51 AM
Just to remind you both again - there is a life outside SCs. LOL
chris91
03-12-2010, 02:03 AM
Really, this is getting stupid. You guys should just exchange phone numbers and talk this shit out.
yoda57us
03-12-2010, 05:14 AM
Really, this is getting stupid. You guys should just exchange phone numbers and talk this shit out.
No offense but there is "getting stupid" all over the place on the internet. Foolish petty bickering exists all over SW just as it does on all chat boards. CC isn't part of the dancer support paradigm, it's more of an idiots on parade sort of thing. BEM and I are just doing our part.
LOL, there is nothing to talk out. We have differing opinions on just about everything that comes up here on SW and, like it or not, that is what drives most chat boards. Just don't read the thread, seems simple. I banned BEM from my email in-box years ago and have no intention of contacting him privately.
Honestly, threads like this are the reason I politely declined an offer to moderate this board a few years back. I rather chew my arm off than be obligated to read this drivel day after day...
But that doesn't stop me from rolling around in the mud!;)
yoda57us
03-12-2010, 05:18 AM
Just to remind you both again - there is a life outside SCs. LOL
and here you are logging on to a site about strip clubs to tell us all that there is life beyond strip clubs...
If you've been paying attention (and I would have to question why you would) we have actually been arguing about life outside of the club for the last few posts.
chris91
03-12-2010, 06:10 AM
Just don't read the thread, seems simple.
It would be simple if the thread were called, "Bem and Yoda argue about some bullshit that nobody cares about except them." That's a thread title that lets me know to stay away lest I be bored to tears.
This thread is called "Married but addicted to lapdances". I am interested in discussing that subject, but thanks to you guys I have to wade through 5 pages of nonsense to do so.
bem401
03-12-2010, 06:22 AM
Please share, my friend, how did you get managed to get BANNED from a strip club?
Dancer friend was drinking waaayyy too much every day. Her "friends" were making fun of her behind her back in the dressing room. I told her sister, also a friend of mine, and she approached her about this out of concern for her safety. She confronted her "friends", retired from dancing, and her friends said I was stirring up shit.
bem401
03-12-2010, 06:31 AM
BEM, life is full of ambiguity. You are the one who insists on categorizing relationships, not me. You are the one who insists on drawing a line that separates guys who spend money from guys who don't, not me. You are the one who tries to pigeonhole people with every word that they post here, not me. You can't type five words on this site without mentioning your "dancer friends". I choose not to do that. That doesn't mean I don't have any, I just choose not to ramble on about it when, most of the time, it is irrelevant to the topic at hand.
To imply that a middle aged guy who hangs around in strip clubs "travels in the same circles" as a beautiful women who is ten or fifteen years younger than he is simply ridiculous BEM. I have some female friends who happen to be current or former sex workers. Those relationships are very special to me and also very private. I don't use your definition of anything. I don't look at women, strippers or life the same way that you do...and I thank God for that everytime I finish reading one of your posts...just as soon as I'm done laughing...
You are the one who had a specific definition for OTC. For me it means anything non-ITC and now you're using it the way I have. Apparently you also have a unique definition for "same circles". When I spend pre-arranged time with someone in another bar, restaurant, gym or home (and not pay for it), I consider that to be in the same circles
bem401
03-12-2010, 06:35 AM
This thread is called "Married but addicted to lapdances". I am interested in discussing that subject, but thanks to you guys I have to wade through 5 pages of nonsense to do so.
My initial posts on this thread dealt with nothing but the topic initially. Yoda took it elsewhere despite my statement that this had nothing to do with him.
bem401
03-12-2010, 06:44 AM
No, you see, yoda has friends who may be dancers, escorts, former dancers, etc. Sometimes he invites them out for lunch, for example. Or they invite him to lunch.
He doesn't just go to the club to talk to them. They don't text him asking him to come to the club because they are bored. They just have friendly, off the clock time, maybe with some food and drinks.
Then, maybe the next day, he patronizes them as a client, and its business.
How do you not understand that people who do business together....CAN ALSO BE FRIENDS??????
Its quite an elementary concept.
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I've never criticized what he does, only what he says, which tends to be a criticism of me. Show me where I said there was anything wrong with his behavior.
I absolutely can understand how people who do business together can become friends.
Can you not understand how people who have become friends don't want to engage in dancer/customer behavior, not that there's anything wrong with it?
bem401
03-12-2010, 06:52 AM
Really, this is getting stupid. You guys should just exchange phone numbers and talk this shit out.
I offered to meet him in person but he insists on internet arguments.
I'd be more than happy for it to end here though I'd have preferred that 150 posts ago. I even suggested it twice (posts 98 and 194). When the post numbers were in the 50's, he derailed this into an attack on me when my comments had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the topic thread.
yoda57us
03-12-2010, 07:34 AM
It would be simple if the thread were called, "Bem and Yoda argue about some bullshit that nobody cares about except them." That's a thread title that lets me know to stay away lest I be bored to tears.
This thread is called "Married but addicted to lapdances". I am interested in discussing that subject, but thanks to you guys I have to wade through 5 pages of nonsense to do so.
Well, I can't really disagree with your sentiment chris but, again, this goes on in threads all over sw. I may not be able to post on most of this site but I do read a lot of it. Train wrecks and thread derailments are not exclusive to CC or BEM and yoda. You can always start another thread.
Honestly, if the original topic had not run out of gas I don't think that BEM's and my personal war would be dominating the thread. That is in fact what happens most of the time when a thread derails. It is most often because the original topic has been talked out.
yoda57us
03-12-2010, 07:51 AM
I've never criticized what he does, only what he says, which tends to be a criticism of me. Show me where I said there was anything wrong with his behavior.
Will this do?
It just shows how incapable you are of being anything other than an ass-kisser or ATM. I'd much rather be considered a friend or furniture than either of the things you are.
Can you not understand how people who have become friends don't want to engage in dancer/customer behavior, not that there's anything wrong with it?
She's not saying you can't BEM, she is saying that the rest of us can if we want to.
All we (KS and myself at least) are doing here is responding to your narrow minded view of women, dancers, strip clubs and friendship.
chris91
03-12-2010, 08:01 AM
Well, I can't really disagree with your sentiment chris but, again, this goes on in threads all over sw.
I know, I just thought that you guys were taking it way way further than most. I only mentioned it because I sometimes enjoy reading your posts. Otherwise, I would have just put you both on ignore.
chris91
03-12-2010, 08:04 AM
I offered to meet him in person but he insists on internet arguments.
I'd be more than happy for it to end here though I'd have preferred that 150 posts ago. I even suggested it twice (posts 98 and 194). When the post numbers were in the 50's, he derailed this into an attack on me when my comments had nothing to do with him and everything to do with the topic thread.
You do realize that you're not obligated to respond, right? You don't need his permission to end this. This isn't like a three legged race where one of you ends up dragged on the ground if you don't stop at the same time together. You can just stop posting.
yoda57us
03-12-2010, 08:28 AM
I know, I just thought that you guys were taking it way way further than most. I only mentioned it because I sometimes enjoy reading your posts. Otherwise, I would have just put you both on ignore.
LOL, well thank you chris...I think...;)
by the way, I was married for 27 years and visited strip clubs for most of that time. I wouldn't call myself addicted but I would be more than happy to get back to topic if you want.
KS_Stevia
03-12-2010, 01:59 PM
Dancer friend was drinking waaayyy too much every day. Her "friends" were making fun of her behind her back in the dressing room. I told her sister, also a friend of mine, and she approached her about this out of concern for her safety. She confronted her "friends", retired from dancing, and her friends said I was stirring up shit.
That's bullshit. I've never known of a club to ban a paying customer over stripper drama. Like, really, the clubs care about getting their cover charge/drink quota above their dancers.
I honestly cannot believe this with the amount of information you have given me. It makes zero sense.
KS_Stevia
03-12-2010, 02:02 PM
Can you not understand how people who have become friends don't want to engage in dancer/customer behavior, not that there's anything wrong with it?
Absolutely, that's fine, and nothing is wrong with it. But you keep acting like you are somehow better than everyone because you aren't paying for it. When in fact, you are just going to their place of work, where they are stuck anyway, sitting around and throwing out a bone...free drink...club gossip. It makes you mildly valuable in their mind, but it doesn't make you a friend. You're just another troll that sits in the bar that we all roll our eyes at when we see. But you aren't so offensive that we deem you not worth a quick chat. Well, except for the club where you are banned. And I have a feeling its not for being helpful. ::)
Hernando
03-13-2010, 10:06 PM
I actually came up with this response before I realized there were 10 pages of repsonses. Anyway,:
Ain't no problem for a married man to go to a strip club, but if you say it's "too much," then you need to roll it back bro. Three times a week sounds like "too much" no matter what. Cut it to once a week and take your wife to her favorite restaurant instead. Do not tell her (unless you know she will understand). It would be v weak to try and relieve your guilt by f'ing up her world.
Most married guys don't go to the SC, but they aren't telling the truth all the time about everything either. They've got something working. The few guys I know who are perfect and obedient and faithful are boring as f*ck, and are like house cats, 70 pounds overweight, and their women treat them like garbage. I'm lmao at some of these comments. Any girl who thinks she'll land a good looking guy, smart, funny, with a little bank who won't have something burning at one time or another, is in for a rude awakening.