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jack0177057
02-16-2010, 04:35 PM
OP should join a ballroom dancing/salsa dancing school and/or social group. I used to be greatly involved in that scene and saw a lot of shy young men blossom. And women who want to practice the dance will dance with everyone, its much less elitist, and much more honest than PUA.

I don't know about ballroom dancing, but I agree with you 100% about salsa... If the OP wants to meet very sexy senoritas, salsa is is the key to unlock that door... Its like a mating dance in the Latin culture. I've tried to learn it, but failed miserably.

FBR
02-16-2010, 04:42 PM
Of course, when at the club a stripper is working. Therefore it is reasonable to assume anything she says or does is in an effort to earn her daily bread. Makes sense...she's at work and conversation is a tool she uses. Having said that, it's additionally reasonable to accept that her conversation could be 100% truthful, a mix of straight talk and honesty or complete BS. It's the nature of the beast. The larger question becomes, IMO, does it matter if she is being truthful or not? Does the conversation become entertaining and worthwhile only if it is the gospel truth? Personally, if it is a stripper I barely know I don't care as long as it is fun. If it is a stripper I have known for years I prefer more honest conversation but that is difficult to qualify in most cases. But I am sure there are many guys who are totally fine is the gal is BS'ing him for years as long as the end result is fun.

FBR

yoda57us
02-16-2010, 04:54 PM
The larger question becomes, IMO, does it matter if she is being truthful or not? Does the conversation become entertaining and worthwhile only if it is the gospel truth? Personally, if it is a stripper I barely know I don't care as long as it is fun.
FBR

Exactly!

Any guy who goes into a strip club expecting truth, honesty or altruism is both a dancer's best friend (ITC, of course) and his own worst enemy.

jack0177057
02-16-2010, 05:21 PM
^^^ Now I am confused. Are you guys telling me that the dancer that told me that she's a pre-law college student is really a single mother with no college ambition... and that the dancer who told me she is a single mother is really an honor's college student with no kids?... and that the dancer who showed me pictures (on her phone) of her bruises and asked me if the DA is likely to prosecute her BF, was showing me bogus pics (even though we were already in the lap dancing room and I was practically begging her to get started because I had to get back to work)?

I understand that when a dancer flirts with me, she is doing it only to "close" the deal, but why would dancers lie about their mundane personal life? Does one really think that passing herself as a pre-law college student (assuming this was a lie) is going to make a difference to me? Does the the other dancer passing herself as a single mom (assuming this was a lie, too) think I have a MILF-stripper fantasy? Someone should tell these girls that before they say a single word, I've already decided whether I want a dance or not. I enjoy chatting (sp. smart and witty conversation), but my selection is based primarily on looks.

yoda57us
02-16-2010, 05:41 PM
^^^ Now I am confused. Are you guys telling me that the dancer that told me that she's a pre-law college student is really a single mother with no college ambition... and that the dancer who told me she is a single mother is really an honor's college student with no kids?... and that the dancer who showed me pictures (on her phone) of her bruises and asked me if the DA is likely to prosecute her BF, was showing me bogus pics (even though we were already in the lap dancing room and I was practically begging her to get started because I had to get back to work)?


LOL, all I'm saying is that you shouldn't concern yourself with whether it's the truth or not...

Slin
02-16-2010, 07:33 PM
Of course, when at the club a stripper is working. Therefore it is reasonable to assume anything she says or does is in an effort to earn her daily bread. Makes sense...she's at work and conversation is a tool she uses. Having said that, it's additionally reasonable to accept that her conversation could be 100% truthful, a mix of straight talk and honesty or complete BS. It's the nature of the beast. The larger question becomes, IMO, does it matter if she is being truthful or not? Does the conversation become entertaining and worthwhile only if it is the gospel truth? Personally, if it is a stripper I barely know I don't care as long as it is fun. If it is a stripper I have known for years I prefer more honest conversation but that is difficult to qualify in most cases. But I am sure there are many guys who are totally fine is the gal is BS'ing him for years as long as the end result is fun.

FBR

Best response I've gotten. As for me, I have a feeling to overthink stuff. I'm the guy that if I was doing some sort of mental puzzle, would end up getting frustrated and end up spending the next 2 hours trying to figure out a little detail that was going wrong. Maybe why I seemed so intent on figuring this out is because I have had other conversations with strippers in the club where, if taken outside of the club would just seem like a normal conversation between two people that just met. Still, I could figure out that it was a hustle (as I said before...I don't have a problem with strippers using their hustle on me).

However, that conversation I used in my example just seemed so different and I guess I felt a bit bewildered about not being able to figure out whether it was a sales pitch or not. I just couldn't detect any of the usual tactics a dancer would use. When I would turn to talk to my friend, she wouldn't be trying to get my attention back and would just go back to eating her food. At no moment did she say anything to stroke my ego. Hell, she even expressed her dismay and dislike of something I brought up by expressing her extreme disapproval of the PUA community. And no, she didn't follow it up with anything like "But you're so cute, why do you need it?" or even something more neutral "You seem normal, why do you need it?" After she was done eating her sushi (this was during a lull in the conversation) she just got up and left. No "Well I really enjoyed talking to you and if you want to talk more, come look for me *wink* or even a simple "See you later".

Thinking more, I think maybe what led me to be concerned enough to post this thread was because as a customer, I like to have the mental comfort of knowing that when I bring my $$$ into a club, I will only spend it on girls that I find attractive. I don't want to have the feeling that I can be duped into spending money that I otherwise wouldn't. And yes, I will buy multiple dances from you if I find you attractive and am impressed by your performance on stage. Hell, if I'm not cleaned out of singles I'll tip pretty much any girl that stops by in front of me while I'm sitting in front of the stage. I got to strip clubs because I get to check out gorgeous women without having to be thinking about trying to "game" them.

Slin
02-16-2010, 07:41 PM
^^^ The only thing worst than being stuck in your glory days of college, is not having had any glory days in college.

Everybody I know had an awesome time in college,... and then,... like you said,... its time to grow up. I accept that. But this poor lad has to grow up, without ever having had the benefit of the wild and crazy college experience. Its an essential part of the male's personal development. He's trying to figure out women now... when the place to experiment and learn that was in college. (I'm not just talking about the marvels of female sexuality,... but about loving them, too. I got my "Mr." degree in college - I was engaged to my ex-wife by the time I graduated college.)

Don't know how we got dragged into a "should Slin go back to school or not" discussion but it's actually interesting so I'll keep it going...

I've moved on from my college years. Yes, it hasn't been that long (actually graduated just last semester) but at this time I have no intention of turning back towards that period of time. There's a lot of wouldas, shoulda, couldas about my college years but I think it's a lot more productive for me to head forward instead of trying to head back and "fix" things. Plus, are you saying that anyone that has somehow hasn't had the same college experience you had really missing that big of a chunk of their lives? College is still mostly a privilege for either lucky worky-class or middle class and up people to experience. Are all those people who couldn't go to college for whatever reason retarded in their development?

And I don't know what's the obsession you have about being able to relive your party years. I'm 23 years old...I'm too young to be having a mid-life crisis ::)

jack0177057
02-16-2010, 07:53 PM
^^^ Then Mystery is your man... Good luck, lad.

Slin
02-16-2010, 08:12 PM
So because I'm not going to spend $40,000K+ over the new few years to live in some sort of MTV Spring Break fantasy-land I'm doomed to a life of being the male version of a cat lady? If you had a son who was in the same position as I am would you honestly pay for his next few years of going back to school just so he could do the same thing that you are trying to push me towards?

Going to school is a BIG DECISION but you are making it sound like it's nothing more important then going then deciding which strip club to go to for the night for the hottest girls.

And I noticed you are ragging on Mystery a lot yet you also said that what you did back in college was basically the same sort of stuff he did. I do not understand why if you try those same tactics outside the context of a college campus it's suddenly creepy and weird.

I was trying to avoid getting into a big debate over the validity of the PUA community but I just have to know; what exactly is the problem most of the people here have with it? Is it the idea of a guy taking lessons or reading e-books on how to date in general or more because of the "lines"?

KS_Stevia
02-16-2010, 08:31 PM
I like this Slin kid. Actually, I know two local guys who are big into the PUA thing, and they are real sweethearts. One of them was a friend from college, who was so painfully shy and awkward, he just couldn't land a date. Finally, in his late 20's, with a successful career, his own very nice home, and a solid network of friends and family...he started attending some PUA-like courses. Now apparently he gets laid on the reg and has even had girlfriends. This was the guy who couldn't introduce any girls to his naturally good-looking and flirty brother, because they would end up fucking. Will is still a good guy, but the PUA stuff has helped him get over his shyness immensely. And he's not the SC going type or trying just to get laid. It really benefited him.

The other PUA guy, I only met AFTER I know he was a PUA. Little tiny indian dude..but so funny and outgoing. We all went to the movies together, first time I met him, then drinking at a bar afterwards. I spent almost 2 hours talking to him..COMPLETELY aware that he was some PUA guru. But he was just great company. I thought it came naturally to him and that he was a real extrovert. Apparently, from what our mutual friend says, when he moved here from India as a teenager, he was so painfully shy, it would put an uber geek to shame. This cat NEVER asked me on a date or tried to get physical with me. But apparently he gets girls and goes on dates. I am happy for him and enjoyed talking with him..and fucking with him about the PUA thing..which he readily admitted to and even poked fun at himself about.

ETA: These guys do not follow Mystery Method, they do something else. I am not sure which "guru" they follow actually. I could find out. But whoever he is and whatever they paid, they are doing something right. Sure they aren't hot enough to fuck me, but then again, I'm a sucker for cocky musician types.

Point of this story...not all of us are as naturally sociable and silver-tongued as, say, myself. With females, it honestly doesn't matter as much due to the nature of the sexes. If a female avails herself, men will come running.

Does this make any sense? Just got back from seeing Wolfman. It was okay, not particularly great. When are they going to make a great fucking movie again?

Slin
02-16-2010, 09:07 PM
Mystery Method is still big with guys outside of the community thanks to the Vh1 show but in recent years things have been moving more towards "natural game". Someone I know in real life wrote this pretty good piece that describes pretty well about what I'm trying to do. Btw he's not my "guru" or anything so this isn't a paid advertisement ...I won't even reveal his name:

Normalcy is the Name of this Game
A few months back, I had a student who thought picking up chicks was about acting outrageous, running around nightclubs high-fiving his tits off and displaying behavior Zack and I call ‘social terrorism.’

After hearing him out, I asked what I thought to be a simple question: “On a good night, how many girls do you think I approach?”

My student looked dumbfounded. Wheels turned furiously in his head as he obviously tried to ‘think’ of the answer he thought I wanted to hear. Had I not interrupted him, he probably would’ve started counting on his hands.

Calmly, I raised my index finger. “One,” I explained. “It should only take one approach a night to get the girl you want.”

To reiterate a recurring theme of this introduction, attracting girls will be as simple or as complicated as you make it. If you’re leaving the house like you’re going to do battle on Middle Earth, then picking up girls will be an epic, painful affair. If, however, you focus on having fun and don’t make a big deal of it, you’ll simplify the process. Moreover, using the applicable information in this book, you’ll attract girls with the least effort and greatest results.

This is brings up my biggest criticism of the pickup community and dating advice industry at large. All the information comes from full-time pickup instructors who can afford to be outrageous and eccentric. For them, going out every night and acting ridiculous is…well…part of the job. But then they advise normal people to do the same, equating learning pickup to some kind of heroic quest. Maybe it’s just a marketing ploy to keep people buying products or maybe they actually believe it. Regardless, take it from two guys who’ve been down that road—it’s not necessary.

At the moment, I’m typing this introduction in my office lunchroom where I work as a magazine editor. If I took the Wild West advice of pickup “gurus,” I’d be unemployed with a sexual harassment rap to boot. And for the record, I’ve slept with hot coworkers—but it was so “under the radar” no one suspected a thing. Pickup isn’t some majestic spectacle that requires you act like a lunatic. Instead, pickup is learning attractive behavior and then fitting it to your personality. Normalcy: that’s the name of the game.

And that’s the essence of [noncommercial edit]. Running around a nightclub like a chicken with its dick cut off is exactly the type of behavior this book looks to offset. Acting like that is unbalanced and amateur. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being the life of the party, but if you fail to balance it with the other elements, you won’t be getting the girls you want—period."

The last movie I saw was Princess and the Frog...good movie. Really sad that the only other people in the theater were like 4 high school girls. I went out of my way to see this flick by myself (of course none of my boys were going to come with me) because Disney movies were a big part of my childhood and I was glad they were finally taking a break from 3D crap. Oh, and the film burned up right before the rich, Southern belle chick was going to kiss the frogs and turn them back :(

FBR
02-16-2010, 09:31 PM
So because I'm not going to spend $40,000K+ over the new few years to live in some sort of MTV Spring Break fantasy-land I'm doomed to a life of being the male version of a cat lady? Sin, spending large sums of money in a strip club is very enjoyable. One could do worse than having a flock :P

FBR

Slin
02-16-2010, 09:40 PM
Is there anything wrong with learning how to be a better conversationalist?

Is there anything wrong with learning not to get hung up with one girl and to simply move on if the one you are talking to at the moment just isn't having it? Because that's a huge basic part of what is taught. Learning not to care about your results and to learn that rejection doesn't mean anything. She isn't rejecting you as a person. How can she, she just started talking to you. She knows nothing about your inner character or personality. If she says she isn't interested, it means she's rejecting your approach, nothing more.

Is there anything wrong learning that chicks are NOT impressed with guys that try to buy them out with drinks, offers of expensive nights out, kissing their ass, etc. and that letting a chick walk over you and all over your personal boundaries of what you will or what not do is not attractive?

Before I started using the material AND actually going out to approach girls I was pretty much at a middle school level when it came to how to deal with the opposite sex. For most of my life, I simply never had that many females around me and I never learned the social cues that most people did in middle/high school. I'm still a newbie at this stuff and right now, the only things I've gotten were my first dates but it's still an improvement over nothing, which was exactly what I was getting before. Let me ask: why is there such a taboo over men learning social skills and graces? Back in more traditional times, it was common for middle class and above women to take classes in how to behave, and yes that included lessons on how exactly to charm a man. Today we have Cosmo magazines and it's ilk. If a man wants the same, why shun him as some sort of hunchbacked misfit? Don't ladies want to be approached by guys that cared enough to actually go out of their ways to make the experience more comfortable for them?

KS_Stevia
02-16-2010, 10:00 PM
Is there anything wrong with learning how to be a better conversationalist?

Is there anything wrong with learning not to get hung up with one girl and to simply move on if the one you are talking to at the moment just isn't having it? Because that's a huge basic part of what is taught. Learning not to care about your results and to learn that rejection doesn't mean anything. She isn't rejecting you as a person.

EXACTLY! Its the first thing you learn in sales, and interpersonal relations are all about selling yourself. So, you get snubbed, move on! That rule #1 for any decent stripper. Rejection is inevitable, do not waste an ounce of your energy working about it. It actually applies to any sales, or any situation where you must "seal the deal?

So, someone doesn't want what you have to offer. Ok, cool...NEXT!

VegasM
02-16-2010, 11:01 PM
Remember a SC is a business, with dancers an integral part of the business, working for a ‘commission’, if you will, in competition for a finite amount of ‘accounts receivables’ with other employees (dancers).

So yes, to be successful, dancers have to develop a persona, or personality that will separate her from the crowd. Every successful businessperson relying on a ‘commission’ from their customers does this. It’s just good business sense and should not be seen as a negative in any way, shape or form.

College: worked my way through it (and the next 13 years) driving a patrol car (once I had enough college to apply) for a very large California municipality; I guarantee no matter how wild and wooly you think your college days were, you haven’t lived until you pull 5 felons out of a stolen car in the middle of nowhere at shotgun point! Haven’t met a women, drink or drug yet who could provide the level of rush night shift eastside provided!! Oh, and the cop groupies….

PUA/Mystery Meat: I worked security at a major ‘party’ strip casino/resort, and had continuous contact with cocktail waitresses, bikini clad pit dealers and several VIP clubs. I’ve yet to see any goofball come in wearing the crap from his show; listening to the stories the girls have about tourists trying their game on them is hilarious. None ever score...PUA or otherwise.

WestCoast101
02-17-2010, 12:56 AM
Is there anything wrong with learning how to be a better conversationalist?

Is there anything wrong with learning not to get hung up with one girl and to simply move on if the one you are talking to at the moment just isn't having it? Because that's a huge basic part of what is taught. Learning not to care about your results and to learn that rejection doesn't mean anything. She isn't rejecting you as a person. How can she, she just started talking to you. She knows nothing about your inner character or personality. If she says she isn't interested, it means she's rejecting your approach, nothing more.

Is there anything wrong learning that chicks are NOT impressed with guys that try to buy them out with drinks, offers of expensive nights out, kissing their ass, etc. and that letting a chick walk over you and all over your personal boundaries of what you will or what not do is not attractive?

Before I started using the material AND actually going out to approach girls I was pretty much at a middle school level when it came to how to deal with the opposite sex. For most of my life, I simply never had that many females around me and I never learned the social cues that most people did in middle/high school. I'm still a newbie at this stuff and right now, the only things I've gotten were my first dates but it's still an improvement over nothing, which was exactly what I was getting before. Let me ask: why is there such a taboo over men learning social skills and graces? Back in more traditional times, it was common for middle class and above women to take classes in how to behave, and yes that included lessons on how exactly to charm a man. Today we have Cosmo magazines and it's ilk. If a man wants the same, why shun him as some sort of hunchbacked misfit? Don't ladies want to be approached by guys that cared enough to actually go out of their ways to make the experience more comfortable for them?

I think some in here unfairly bashed you, its just that alot of this PUA stuff is sold to guys, often older than you (including a fair amount of foreign born geeky guys) that are just complete social misfits, real dorks, maybe they were born that way, real severe cases that would take yrs to be fixed if they could even be fixed, if that's the right word, but sometimes they just overcomplicate it and do alot of mind control bullshit.

I played basketball in high school, like 25 or years ago, so it presented some opportunities with certain hot girls, sports was a big deal at the school, and I managed to get dates, fairly hot girls, maybe 7 or 8 different girls,some mutliple times, over the last 2 yrs of school, but I felt lucky to kiss them, but i was a gentlemen, opened the car door, take them to movies, hold hands all that stuff, nothing more really, at that time I wasn't concerned but later after a few yrs you wonder why it doesnt work, meanwhile my two best buddies (and these guys are not all that believe me) ok athletes too, one who also played football, but they basically treated girls like crap, didn't give a shit, and the girls knew it, yet they are scoring with all sorts of girls, of course alot of girls then were off limits and avoided all that stuff, but the point is that these guys just kept getting more girls the worse they were. If a guy doesn't figure this stuff out by age 25 he's is screwed, because the "nice guy" types with all their sincerity and faithfulness, it might get dates but its not going to get much sex, it just doesn't create the chemistry in most cases. Point is every guy needs to be a little bit like the bad boys, controlling women, putting outat least that tinge of nonmonagamy, it makes like this huge difference, and while it makes no sense in modern terms, it really is true.

Slin
02-17-2010, 07:16 AM
I wrestled in high school...didn't get me female attention but I think it did at least prevent me from getting stuffed into a locker 8)

I've never been the "nice guy" type. That's not to say I'm an asshole. I try to treat people decently (though I do have my days off) but the stuff I would do for chicks is pretty much what I would do for anyone that wasn't acting belligerent towards me...and I'd like to think I'm at the very least, polite to everyone I meet in life. I don't go around acting "nice" because I expect it's going to get girls jumping on my dick. I do it because it's the way I treat people in general.

KS_Stevia
02-17-2010, 11:19 AM
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Is there anything wrong learning that chicks are NOT impressed with guys that try to buy them out with drinks, offers of expensive nights out, kissing their ass, etc. and that letting a chick walk over you and all over your personal boundaries of what you will or what not do is not attractive?


Sure, in a normal real life situation with a girl who isn't working. However, in the strip club, the opposite is true. Not spending money in the SC gets you labeled as a loser, and completely ignored. Just FYI.

WestCoast101
02-17-2010, 12:01 PM
I wrestled in high school...didn't get me female attention but I think it did at least prevent me from getting stuffed into a locker 8)

I've never been the "nice guy" type. That's not to say I'm an asshole. I try to treat people decently (though I do have my days off) but the stuff I would do for chicks is pretty much what I would do for anyone that wasn't acting belligerent towards me...and I'd like to think I'm at the very least, polite to everyone I meet in life. I don't go around acting "nice" because I expect it's going to get girls jumping on my dick. I do it because it's the way I treat people in general.

The mere fact that you are writing about such issues and talking about being "polite" puts you squarely in the "nice guy" camp. By the way, the entire isue of guys that are basically "doormat/wuss/marshmellow/walk-all over-me, kiss ass" types is really a side issue that simply confuses the matter, those guys are beyond hope, and often end up (if at all) with some pretty strange women.

I would suggest you move a bit more toward the jerk side of the spectrum, couple of notches over, and you don't even have to be a complete asshole.

mediocrity
02-17-2010, 12:06 PM
^^ I'm sorry but seriously? Shut the hell up. You have no idea what you're talking about.

KS_Stevia
02-17-2010, 12:26 PM
Jerks that have no game are still jerks. That's what ended up happening with my other geeky guy friend from college. He got more introverted and feral, never went out. And now he's just a jackass. Funny thing, he's actually had a couple of girls who liked him over the years, but they were plain looking, heavyset girls, so he wouldn't even consider them for dating.

Yet he fell in love with and seriously thought he had a chance with the biggest attention whore stripper I know. Like, the girl LIVES for fucking with guy's heads in order to receive the constant attention she requires. And he thought he was gonna tap that.

Sometimes men need to lower their physical standards, if they want a genuine romantic relationship.

WestCoast101
02-17-2010, 01:00 PM
Jerks that have no game are still jerks. That's what ended up happening with my other geeky guy friend from college. He got more introverted and feral, never went out. And now he's just a jackass. Funny thing, he's actually had a couple of girls who liked him over the years, but they were plain looking, heavyset girls, so he wouldn't even consider them for dating.

Yet he fell in love with and seriously thought he had a chance with the biggest attention whore stripper I know. Like, the girl LIVES for fucking with guy's heads in order to receive the constant attention she requires. And he thought he was gonna tap that.

Sometimes men need to lower their physical standards, if they want a genuine romantic relationship.

The hard case geeky social misfit guys, I really don't see how these mind control courses and with their "tricks" and other bullshit are gonig to help these guys that much. Improving conversational ability is one thing ,but to sell books and to make huge money these courses go far beyond that, and I think they vastly overcomplicate it, with all these formulas and other nonsense. I'm not surprised KS that one of your friends ended up just a complete jackass.

Simply understanding there is this primordial factor at work, and understanding it, and slight modifications of behavior is however very useful at the margins for some guys that are already within the normal pararmeters of social skills and who otherwise have done fairly well in regard to dating and attracting women .

Also these young guys who find the need or want to hang out in strip clubs in their 20's when they are single and free, and looking (not the OP here necessarily) possibly to date strippers, its really bullshit. They are probably screwing up their lives, and they are probably going to end up very socially unbalanced, assuming they have no other social lives beyond strip clubs.

jack0177057
02-17-2010, 01:21 PM
And I noticed you are ragging on Mystery a lot yet you also said that what you did back in college was basically the same sort of stuff he did. I do not understand why if you try those same tactics outside the context of a college campus it's suddenly creepy and weird.

What I did in college was similar, but came natural to me because of the "frat boy" lifestyle I had. The cocky and funny attitude was not rehearsed or fabricated. I didn't read books, learn and memorize routines, lines, etc.

After college, I still had those tools developed through my "frat boy" experience, but I had to back them up with career and financial success. You can't be cocky with women in the real world, unless you have something to back it up. (In my case, a law degree, decent six-digit income, nice things...) Its easy in college, because you don't need to back it up with anything... You get a free ride.

Mystery is like a dancer. He really doesn't care about you, he just wants your money. Him and all the other PUA are geniuses at making money off of people like you. He's a seducer of men. He wants you to think that he has a magic wand that can turn any frog into a shining knight.

I've had the most success with women when I was too excited and busy with other pursuits to even notice them (until they landed on my lap), and I've had the worst luck with women when I've been insecure about myself and seeking an easy hook-up for instant validation. Plus, I've been a big jerk in those instances.

You really need to improve yourself and your lifetyle to where you don't need a hook-up for validation. Would you date you?


I was trying to avoid getting into a big debate over the validity of the PUA community but I just have to know; what exactly is the problem most of the people here have with it? Is it the idea of a guy taking lessons or reading e-books on how to date in general or more because of the "lines"?

Insecure loser type guys (I'm not saying you are one) seeking instant validation and ego-boosting by hooking-up with girls under false pretenses.

These guys (assuming they learn Mystery's jedi mind tricks) have the worst scruples. If I want to casually hook-up with a girl, I find the type of girl that is into casual hook-ups, and I approach her, without feeding her BS lines. She might be a friend that is open to a friend-with-benefits situation. I make my intentions clear (in a subtle way) and don't try any jedi mind tricks on her. The PUA guys only care about their own ego-boosting, so they don't care if the girl is into casual hook-ups or if she's looking for a LTR.

mediocrity
02-17-2010, 01:27 PM
^^ Heehee you said scruples! WIN.

jack0177057
02-17-2010, 02:12 PM
^^^ [Jack gently pats Med in the head]... Shhh... The men are talking,... I'll be with you in a second.

Slin
02-17-2010, 02:16 PM
The only way to figure out what a girl is currently looking for (relationship vs. catch and release) is to actually go out and approach women, no?

I don't disagree with what you said about self-improvement. I know people involved in the community. The ones that arejust about getting notches on their belt don't last long. It's the guys that realize it's ultimately about self improvement and internal validation (as opposed to external validation from having a player persona) that get the most out of this stuff.

I still don't understand why I should go back to college to make up for lost time. Wouldn't it make more sense to focus on my real world life now so I do have the career and financial success you were talking about?

jack0177057
02-17-2010, 02:38 PM
^^^ I was partly kidding about going back to college... But, in all seriousness, why not? You could go part-time for an advanced degree. (Four-year college degrees today are like HS degrees a generation ago.)

Just make sure you pick a wild party school this time - with a ratio of women to men of at least 3:2. (This is not so hard to find as, statistically, more women are seeking higher education than men these days.)